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Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:11 pm

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RE: The UK And The EU.

Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:57 pm

Quoting Frostyj (Reply 87):
They don't trust us, they don't take us seriously (not that I care) and they THINK that because they are older that they are automatically wiser and more in the know (NOT).

Being a bit less shouty often helps with people taking you seriously.
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:30 am

It's so ironic that frosty is complaining on one thread that he can't just walk into America like the Cubans can, and on this one giving out about foreigners from The European Union.

Also, the irony about how terrible europe is when last time i checked Ireland was an Island in Europe.
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:02 pm

Born in early 70s, so whilst we were taught in metric, life outside school was almost exclusively imperial.

Quoting frostyj (Reply 2):
The Metric system is NOT in official use, all scales and food items have both measurements

HAD, not have. Technically Trading Standards can only verify metric measurements now, so will certify that a scale reading 1kg is correct, but will not verify that that same scale is weighing 2.2lbs correctly. Next time you're in the supermarket have a look around. You'll be hard pressed to find anything with an equivalent Imperial value on it, and I'm not actually sure it's even legal to display lbs on anything but loose goods. For example, in B+Q (hardware store) 6ft x 6ft fence panels are listed as 1828mm x 1828mm.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 15):
Vendors (typically small market stall holders) are regularly prosecuted for not using metric weights and measures.

... and yet they weren't bothered when the supermarkets started downsizing 454g to 425 to 400 with no equivalent price drop.



Quoting photopilot (Reply 6):

Actually Canada halted compulsory metrication in 1985. You still have plenty of things in Imperial measurements, eg. house sizes in sq ft, the entire railway network is in miles, ovens are in Fahrenheit, wood is till 2 x 4 etc, a more common sense approach IMHO, except in aircraft refueling perhaps (Gimli Glider)

Here in Portugal it isn't unusual to buy plumbing parts in 1/2, 3/4, 1 inch or fractions of, eg. a 3m length of 1/2" tubing. Paint brushes seem to be sold in inches too, and no-one gets upset. 12 is still a pretty useful number. It divides nicely by 2,3,4 and 6.

Wheel sizes, computer screens, wiper blades, aircraft altitude, speed (knots) all still widely use imperial measurements.

My point is that there is plenty of space in the world for BOTH sets of measurements. Brits are, in general, pretty rubbish at foreign languages, so be bi-measuremental, and use it as an asset! So whilst frostyj had an interesting way of going about this thread, some of the responses are pretty harsh for people who are supposed to be tolerant and celebrate diversity.
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RE: The UK And The EU.

Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:24 pm

Wow, this thread made my morning.

Quoting frostyj (Thread starter):
I do not measure myself in Kilos because I don't know how big a Kilo is, I cannot visualise it

And you can visualize your weight in stones? How big of a stone are we talking about?

Quoting frostyj (Thread starter):
I am terrified that we are going to have to start using Kilometres and Kilos.

I lived in the UK for years, both imperial and metric systems are in use, I would say I saw metric in most things and places, more than the US at least. Your switching over pre-dates the EU, even if it is still incomplete

Quoting frostyj (Thread starter):
influx of immigrants

Well I work abroad and have many British immigrants here working with me, the immigration wave in the UK is not one way.

Quoting Frostyj (Reply 35):
No because Kilometres do not make sense. There are too many Kilometres in the scale!

I am trying hard to figure this one out. Does your ability to count stop at around the 80-100? I think your issue is education. Stuff like that I wouldn't expect to hear from chavs chugging Carling all day long. Even they, despite the absence of education, would know how to count.
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:23 pm

I'm not EU's biggest fan, but to leave would be suicidal economically.

As a nation we do have some bargaining power, providing David "Call me Dave" Cameron, doesn't blow his powder early when it comes to the negotiations on some changes.

But as for the U.K. leaving the EU... More chance of renegotiating the Common Agricultural Policy which makes up 40% of the EU budget.
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:08 pm

Quoting lewis (Reply 104):
And you can visualize your weight in stones? How big of a stone are we talking about?

He obviously doesn't mean stones as in rocks, and visualising in terms of imagining actual stones. A stone being a unit of weight, I'm guessing that by 'visualise' he means imagining typical objects or things of roughly a certain size weighing so many stone (stone is the plural of stone, the unit of weight), the way we all do with our familiar units of weight.

I agree that the original point was ridiculous though.
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:35 am

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 106):
I'm guessing that by 'visualise' he means imagining typical objects or things of roughly a certain size

That's exactly what he means, in my view. Under the 'imperial' system, there were 'human' factors involved - an inch was roughly the length of the top joint of your thumb, a foot was roughly the length of - well, your foot!   - a yard was pretty well one long pace.

The 'stone' deserves a special mention - as far as I know it was just about the first 'standardised' unit of measurement - and I believe that it was first 'standardised' in the UK (by royal proclamation) at fourteen pounds, in the 14th. century. One can assume that it was selected as a 'handy' measure of weight for use by merchants etc., and literally WAS a stone, which merchants and others could place on one side of the scales while measuring out say wheat or flour or whatever and placing it on the other side. Most of Europe also used 'stones' for many centuries - although the actual weights varied widely from country to country:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_(unit)#Metric_stone

Personally I ended up being 'in the thick of it,' since I'd decided on a career as a chartered surveyor, and was actively engaged in that field when Britain was 'gearing up' to enter the EEC, and took its first steps towards 'metrication;' so we had to use BOTH systems.  

Of course I'm well used to it by now; but I still dislike it; no 'natural' elements in it, like 'thumbs, feet, and paces' - just a completely artificial system. And only divisible by ten, not by the much more flexible 'twelves' that were at the heart of most imperial measurements.
 
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:07 am

Quoting nav30 (Reply 107):
And only divisible by ten, not by the much more flexible 'twelves' that were at the heart of most imperial measurements.

Because division by 12 is so much easier than 10?   

Aside from inches in a foot, what other Imperial unit is divided into twelfths?
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:20 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 108):
what other Imperial unit is divided into twelfths

Well, feet, yards, and miles, for a start?
 
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:47 am

Quoting nav30 (Reply 109):
Well, feet, yards, and miles, for a start?

3 feet in a yard, 22 yards in a chain, 10 chains in a furlong, 8 furlongs in a mile.

16 ounces in a pound, 14 pounds in a stone, 8 stones in a hundredweight, 20 hundredweight in a ton.

I'm not seeing many 12s there.

You might have a point if the whole system were based on 12s, but it isn't. I seriously struggle to see how a decimal-based system is anything other than simple compared with the Imperial 'system'.
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:39 am

If the Imperial system was good for anything, it was certainly good for sharpening your multiplication and division skills.  

Having said that, it would be a nightmare going back to it now.
 
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:57 am

Quoting nav30 (Reply 107):
That's exactly what he means, in my view. Under the 'imperial' system, there were 'human' factors involved - an inch was roughly the length of the top joint of your thumb, a foot was roughly the length of - well, your foot! - a yard was pretty well one long pace.

Definitely not. Those original notions have been alien in everyday use since forever. Nobody thinks like that in the UK.
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:08 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 111):

If the Imperial system was good for anything, it was certainly good for sharpening your multiplication and division skills.  

on the other hand with the metric system you may do more math in your head. Figuring the volume of a 3x2.5x2m tank takes less time than writing it down. How many gallons in a 10x8x7 foot tank?

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Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:27 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 113):
on the other hand with the metric system you may do more math in your head. Figuring the volume of a 3x2.5x2m tank takes less time than writing it down. How many gallons in a 10x8x7 foot tank?

I dont think that's fair... you could just as easily ask how many gallons in a 10'4"x8'1"x7'5" tank and the metric system would win out.

Plus, why would you be wondering how many gallons are in a tank measured in meters?  
 
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:33 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 114):
you could just as easily ask how many gallons in a 10'4"x8'1"x7'5" tank and the metric system would win out.

which was the point  
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 114):
Plus, why would you be wondering how many gallons are in a tank measured in meters?

I am in the US and only have a Meter stick?
  

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Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:10 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 111):
If the Imperial system was good for anything, it was certainly good for sharpening your multiplication and division skills.

Not to mention pounds, shillings and pence.

Oh, there you go NAV30 - I'd completely forgotten about 12 pence in a shilling. But then 20 shillings in a pound. And not forgetting that bizarre Guinea worth £1 and 1 shilling.   
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:34 am

Funny thing - here in Oz people are very keen on being 'modern,' so they lapped up the metric system.

But if you ask someone if anyone is tall or short, they'll still likely say, "Oh, tallish, a six-footer," rather than "1.7401 metres." Ask about weight and you'll probably hear, "Biggish bloke, over twelve stone," rather than "At least 76 kilograms, 203.51 grams."

I was once a witness to an armed robbery, and still recall one of the policemen who turned up noting those figures from my description, and then pulling out a calculator and laboriously putting down the metric equivalents in brackets.  

Unfortunately, though, beer no longer comes in pints here........ That's gone completely metric.......  

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Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:56 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 115):
I am in the US and only have a Meter stick?

Metre stick, you only have a metre stick  
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:41 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 116):
And not forgetting that bizarre Guinea worth £1 and 1 shilling.

And Tattersalls STILL sells horses priced in guineas.

http://www.tattersalls.com/news_article.php?id=333

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Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:59 pm

Quoting nav30 (Reply 117):

People in Europe give their height in cm and I always look at them as if to say "wtf are you at". If any measurements are to be kept its the weighing measurements and miles.

I am sorry but I don't think Human should be measured in Kg's.
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:34 pm

It's a good thing that the sun will come out tomorrow and that the days are getting longer, it will give you more time to ponder the merits of the metric system before mummy tucks you in.
 
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:53 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 121):
I am sorry but I don't think Human should be measured in Kg's.

  

Maybe you've never been measured or weighed at the doctors or hospital. Your weight will be recorded in kg and your height in metres.

Do try and join the 21st century.
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Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:35 am

Quoting nav30 (Reply 117):
Funny thing - here in Oz people are very keen on being 'modern,' so they lapped up the metric system.

But if you ask someone if anyone is tall or short, they'll still likely say, "Oh, tallish, a six-footer," rather than "1.7401 metres." Ask about weight and you'll probably hear, "Biggish bloke, over twelve stone," rather than "At least 76 kilograms, 203.51 grams."

Here you will still buy bread or meat in "Pfund" (pounds), e.g. 2 Pfund of minced beef, but since decades the inofficial unit Pfund has been defined as 500 grammes, half a kilogramm.

As for "natural" units, there existed many variations of them, so that in pre-19th century Germany every town or principality had samples of the local variety mounted e.g. on the wall of the city hall or the market offices.
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Mile:

Length (m) Name Country used From To Definition Remarks
960-1152 talmudic mil Israel Biblical and Talmudic units of measurement
1,482 mille passus, milliarium Roman Empire Ancient Roman units of measurement
1,486.6 miglio[79] Sicily
6,240 Persian legue Persia
1,524 London mile England
1,609.3426 (statute) mile Great Britain 1592 1959 1760 yards Over the course of time, the length of a yard changed several times and consequently so did the English, and from 1824, the imperial mile. The statute mile was introduced in 1592 during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I

1,609.344 mile international 1959 today 1760 yards Until 1 July 1959 the imperial mile was a standard length worldwide. The length given in metres is exact.

1,609.3472 (statute) mile United States 1893 today 1760 yards From 1959 also called the U.S. Survey Mile. From then its only utility has been land survey, before it was the standard mile. From 1893 its exact length in meters was: 3600/3937 x 1760

1,820 Italy

1,852 nautical mile international today 1 minute of arc Measured at a circumference of 40,000 km. Abbreviation: NM, nm

1,852.3 (for comparison) 1 meridian minute
1,853.181 nautical mile Turkey

1,855.4 (for comparison) 1 equatorial minute Although the NM was defined on the basis of the minute, it varies from the equatorial minute, because at that time the circumferences of the equator was only able to be estimated at 40,000 km

2,065 Portugal

2,220 Gallo-Roman league Gallo-Roman culture 1.5 miles Under the reign of Emperor Septimius Severus’, this replaced the Roman mile as the official unit of distance in the Gallic and Germanic provinces, although there were regional and temporal variations.[80]

2,470 Sardinia, Piemont

2,622 Scotland

2,880 Ireland

3,780 Flanders

3,898 French lieue (post league) France 2000 "body lengths"

4,000 general or metric league

4,000 legue Guatemala

4,190 legue Mexico[81] = 2500 tresas = 5000 varas

4,444.8 landleuge 1/25° of a circle of longitude

4,452.2 lieue commune France Units of measurement in France before the French Revolution

4,513 legue Paraguay

4,513 legua Chile,[81] (Guatemala, Haiti) = 36 cuadros = 5400 varas

4,808 Switzerland

4,828 English land league England 3 miles

4,800 4,900 Germanic rasta, also doppelleuge (double league)

5,000 légua nova Portugal[81]

5,196 legua Bolivia[81] = 40 ladres

5,152 legua argentina Argentina, Buenos Aires[81] = 6000 varas

5,154 legue Uruguay

5,200 Bolivian legua Bolivia

5,370 legue Venezuela

5,500 Portuguese legua Portugal

5,510 legue Ecuador

5,510 Ecuadorian legua Ecuador

5,532.5 Landleuge (state league) Prussia
5,540 legue Honduras

5,556 Seeleuge (nautical league) 1/20° of a circle of longitude 3 nautical miles

5,570 legua Spain and Chile Spanish customary units

5,572 legua Kolumbien[81] = 3 Millas

5,572.7 legue Peru[81] = 20,000 feet

5,572.7 legua antigua old league Spain[81] = 3 millas = 15,000 feet

5,590 légua Brazil[81] = 5,000 varas = 2,500 bracas

5,600 Brazilian legua Brazil

5,840[82] Dutch mile Holland

6,197 légua antiga Portugal[81] = 3 milhas = 24 estadios

6,277 Luxembourg

6,280 Belgium

6,687.24 legua nueva

new league, since 1766 Spain[81] = 8000 Varas

6,797 Landvermessermeile (state survey mile) Saxony

7,400 Netherlands

7,409 (for comparison) 4 meridian minutes

7,419.2 Kingdom of Hanover

7,419.4 Duchy of Brunswick

7,420.4 7,414.9 Bavaria

7,420.439 geographic mile 1/15 equatorial grads

7,421.6 (for comparison) 4 equatorial minutes

7,448.7 Württemberg

7,450 Hohenzollern

7,467.6 Russia 7 werst Obsolete Russian units of measurement

7,480 Bohemia

7,500 kleine / neue Postmeile (small/new postal mile) Saxony 1840 German Empire, North German Confederation, Grand Duchy of Hesse, Russia

7,532.5 Land(es)meile (German state mile) Denmark, Hamburg, Prussia primarlly for Denmark defined by Ole Rømer

7,585.9 Postmeile

(post mile) Austro-Hungary Austrian units of measurement

7,850 Milă Romania Actually, Romania uses the International Nautical Mile, i.e. 1,852m and called Milă Marină[83]

8,800 Schleswig-Holstein

8,888.89 Baden

9,062 mittlere Post- / Polizeimeile (middle post mile or police mile) Saxony 1722

9,206.3 Electorate of Hesse

9,261.4 (for comparison) 5 meridian minutes

9,277 (for comparison) 5 equatorial minutes

9,323 alte Landmeile (old state mile) Hanover 1836

9,347 alte Landmeile (old state mile) Hanover 1836

9,869.6 Oldenburg

10,000 metric mile, Scandinavian mile Scandinavia still commonly used today, e. g. for road distances.; equates to the myriameter

10,044 große Meile (great mile) Westphalia

10,670 Finland

10.688.54 mil Sweden 1889

11,113.7 (for comparison) 6 meridian minutes

11,132.4 (for comparison) 6 equatorial minutes

11,299 mil Norway was equivalent to 3000 Rhenish rods.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mile

Foot:

Vienna Austria Wiener Fuß 316.102[23][27]
Tyrol Austria Fuß 334.12[16]
Ieper/Ypres Belgium voet 273.8[28]
Bruges/Brugge Belgium voet 274.3[28]
Brussels Belgium voet 275.75[28]
Hainaut Belgium pied 293.39[20]
Liège Belgium pied 294.70[20]
Kortrijk Belgium voet 297.6[28]
Aalst Belgium voet 277.2[28]
Mechelen Belgium voet 278.0[28]
Leuven Belgium voet 285.5[28]
Tournai Belgium pied 297.77[20]
Antwerp Belgium voet 286.8[28]
China China tradesman's foot 338.3[29]
China China mathematician's foot 333.2[29]
China China builder's foot 322.8[29]
China China surveyor's foot 319.5[29]
Moravia Czech Republic stopa 295.95[16]
Prague Czech Republic stopa 296.4[22] (1851) Bohemian foot or shoe
301.7[17] (1759) Quoted as "11 pouces 1¾ lignes"[Notes 1]
Denmark Denmark Fod 313.85[23] Until 1835, thereafter the Prussian foot
330.5[17] (1759) Quoted as "2½ lines larger than the pied [de Paris]"[Notes 1]
France France pied du roi 324.84[30] [Notes 2]
Angoulême France pied d'Angoulême 347.008[31]
Bordeaux (urban) France pied de ville de Bordeaux 343.606[31]
Bordeaux (rural) France pied de terre de Bordeaux 357.214[31]
Strasbourg France pied de Strasbourg 294.95[31]
Württemberg Germany Fuß 286.49[16]
Hanover Germany Fuß 292.10[16]
Augsburg Germany Römischer Fuß 296.17[21]
Nürnberg Germany Fuß 303.75[21]
Meiningen-Hildburghausen Germany Fuß 303.95[16]
Oldenburg Germany Römischer Fuß 296.41[16]
Weimar Germany Fuß 281.98[16]
Lübeck Germany Fuß 287.62[23]
Aschaffenburg Germany Fuß 287.5[20]
Darmstadt Germany Fuß 287.6[20] Until 1818, thereafter the Hessen "metric foot"
Bremen Germany Fuß 289.35[23]
Rhineland Germany Fuß 313.7[29]
Berlin Germany Fuß 309.6[29]
Hamburg Germany Fuß 286.8[29]
Bavaria Germany Fuß 291.86[16]
Aachen Germany Fuß 282.1[21]
Leipzig Germany Fuß 282.67[16]
Dresden Germany Fuß 283.11[16]
Saxony Germany Fuß 283.19[23]
Prussia Germany, Poland, Russia etc. Rheinfuß 313.85[23]
Frankfurt-am-Main Germany Fuß 284.61[16]
Venice & Lombardy Italy 347.73[16]
Turin Italy 323.1[29]
Rome Italy pied de Rome 297.896[31]
Malta Malta 283.7[29]
Utrecht Netherlands voet 272.8[29]
Amsterdam Netherlands voet 283.133[19] Divided into 11 duimen (inches)
Honsbossche en Rijpse Netherlands voet 285.0[19]
’s Hertogenbosch Netherlands voet 287.0[19]
Gelderland Netherlands voet 292.0[19]
Bloois (Zeeland) Netherlands voet 301.0[19]
Schouw Netherlands voet 311.0[19]
Rotterdam Netherlands voet 312.43[20]
Rijnland Netherlands voet 314.858[19]
Norway Norway fot 313.75[32] (1824–1835)[Notes 3] Thereafter as for Sweden
Warsaw Poland stopa 297.8[33] until 1819
288.0[20] (From 1819) Polish stopa
Lisbon Portugal Pé 330.0[21] (From 1835)[Notes 4]
Riga Latvia 274.1[29]
South Africa South Africa Cape foot 314.858[34] Originally equal to the Rijnland foot; redefined as 1.033 English feet in 1859.
Burgos and Castile Spain Pie de Burgos/
Castellano 278.6[17] (1759) Quoted as "122.43 lignes"[Notes 1]
Toledo Spain Pie 279.0[17] (1759) Quoted as "10 pouces 3.7 lignes"[Notes 1]
Sweden Sweden fot 296.9[23] = 12 tum (inches)
Zurich Switzerland 300.0[29]
Galicia Ukraine stopa galicyjska 296.96[20] Part of Austria before World War I
Scotland United Kingdom Fuit, Fit, Troigh 305.287[35]

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_%28unit%29

Pound: (just the English versions)

Unit

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Pounds Ounces Grains Metric
Avdp. Troy Tower Merchant London Metric Avdp. Troy Tower Troy Tower g kg
Avoirdupois 1 175/144 = 1.21527 35/27 = 1.296 28/27 = 1.037 35/36 = 0.972 ≈ 0.9072 16 14 7/12 = 14.583 15 5/9 = 15.5 7000 9955 5/9 ≈ 454 ≈ 5/11
Troy 144/175 ≈ 0.8229 1 16/15 = 1.06 64/75 = 0.853 4/5 = 0.8 ≈ 0.7465 13 29/175 ≈ 13.17 12 12 4/5 = 12.8 5760 8192 ≈ 373 ≈ 3/8
Tower 27/35 ≈ 0.7714 15/16 = 0.9375 1 4/5 = 0.8 3/4 = 0.75 ≈ 0.6998 12 12/35 ≈ 12.34 11 1/4 = 11.25 12 5400 7680 ≈ 350 ≈ 7/20
Merchant 27/28 ≈ 0.9643 75/64 = 1.171875 5/4 = 1.25 1 15/16 = 0.9375 ≈ 0.8748 15 3/7 ≈ 15.43 14 1/16 = 14.0625 15 6750 9600 ≈ 437 ≈ 7/16
London 36/35 ≈ 1.029 5/4 = 1.25 4/3 = 1.3 16/15 = 1.06 1 ≈ 0.9331 16 16/35 ≈ 16.46 15 16 7200 10240 ≈ 467 ≈ 7/15
Metric ≈ 1.1023 ≈ 1.3396 ≈ 1.4290 ≈ 1.1431 ≈ 1.0717 1 ≈ 17.64 ≈ 16.08 ≈ 17.15 7716 10974

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_%28mass%29

Lots of confusion, isn't there?

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Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:21 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 123):
Do try and join the 21st century.

In that case, scbrimbl, why?

The policemen wanted (needed) a description they could act on. I gave them that - 'a tall, well-built guy." I was able to tell them other things about his appearance as well.

And, thankfully, the fellow concerned was arrested quite soon.

Do you think I should have left them 'drowning in a sea of decimal points'?

PS - he pointed his gun at me, and I was able to tell them that it was probably a 'thirty-eight automatic.' Meaning 0.38 inches. Should I have told them that it was 'about 9.65 millimetres calibre'?

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Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:41 pm

Quoting nav30 (Reply 125):
it was probably a 'thirty-eight automatic.

if it is *probably* a .38, probably some 9mm automatic would have conveyed the same information.
To describe the hight 6 feet may be less to say than 183 cm, but 6'1 isn't really shorter than 185.

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Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:06 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 121):
People in Europe give their height in cm and I always look at them as if to say "wtf are you at". If any measurements are to be kept its the weighing measurements and miles.

I am sorry but I don't think Human should be measured in Kg's.

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Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:26 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 126):
if it is *probably* a .38, probably some 9mm automatic would have conveyed the same information.
To describe the hight 6 feet may be less to say than 183 cm,

I'm afraid that that comment very clearly illustrates the limitations of the metric system, tommy1808. '0.38-inch' actually works out at 9.652mm. And, as you say, six feet works out at 'about' 183cm. (actually 1.8288m., to be exact).  .

My 'job' on that occasion was to get as much information as possible over to the police as soon as I could. It would have been crazy to tell them the figures in 'metric' and leave them reaching for their calculators to find out what I meant? I hope you'll agree that that would just have caused delay, and very possibly misunderstandings?

I should add that the guy who took my evidence down was only about 30 years old, more or less 'born into' the metric system. But he knew exactly what I meant by 'over six feet' and 'thirty-eight.' Saved a lot of decimals, given that it was an urgent matter, with a gun-toting thief on the loose?

My guess is that the people who devised the metric system more or less 'started with the metre,' deliberately making it different to the yard. Ignoring the fact that it had no links to 'more natural' measurements like the inch (thumb), the foot (foot), and the yard (pace)?  Smile

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Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:16 am

Quoting offloaded (Reply 103):
Actually Canada halted compulsory metrication in 1985. You still have plenty of things in Imperial measurements, eg. house sizes in sq ft, the entire railway network is in miles, ovens are in Fahrenheit, wood is till 2 x 4 etc, a more common sense approach IMHO, except in aircraft refueling perhaps (Gimli Glider)

Canada is actually a bit screwy. I thought it was just the freight industry dealing with Americans, but very few here understand metric weights and measures and that includes people not that old with a non freight background.

Anyway, I grew up with metric, but my dad always used imperial measuring lumber so I learned both. I use both today. 1m = 3' or 100 kgs = 220 lbs is not too hard for me too visualize.

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I can tell ICBC

Man, good job they don't have ICBC in Northern Ireland, there would be more threads!

Quoting Frostyj (Reply 35):
No because Kilometres do not make sense. There are too many Kilometres in the scale!

Its comments like this which.... never mind. As an immigrant to Canada switching from miles to kms, there really is quite a simple way to translate kms to miles. Half it and add 10%. 200 kms. Half 100 + 10% 20 = 120 miles.

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Quoting frostyj (Thread starter):I am terrified that we are going to have to start using Kilometres and Kilos.Poisonous spiders. They terrify me, although I acknowledge that I might not run into one any time soon. Dying poor and alone. That terrifies me, and is a much more realistic possibility, especially when compared to option number one. If Sweden were to start using the Imperial system next week, I seriously doubt I would be terrified. Inconvenienced, yes. Terrified, no. As a species, we're pretty good at adapting to new situations. Especially the easy ones, and in this case it is basically a slight change in vocabulary.

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Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:17 am

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 129):
3' or 100 kgs = 220 lbs is not too hard for me too visualize.

Strictly speaking, a metre is 3.2808399 feet (3 feet 3⅜ inches). A kilogram is 2.20462262 pounds.  Smile

 

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Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:56 am

Quoting nav30 (Reply 128):
I'm afraid that that comment very clearly illustrates the limitations of the metric system, tommy1808. '0.38-inch' actually works out at 9.652mm.

I am afraid it doesn´t.

1.: 0.38 inch isn´t 9.652mm. We are talking guns here, so 0.38 can be anything between 9mm (!) with the .380 Auto/ACP and the 10.2mm of the .38-40 Winchester.
2.: the most common 0.38 inch gun calibers, .38 S&W, .38 special and .38 super are actually 9.1mm
3. the inch itself is already a metricized unit, its definition is metric
4. 0.38 isn´t even imperial, that would be 19/50 inch, so its a frankenstein way of using an imperial unit with a metric notation

Quoting nav30 (Reply 128):
And, as you say, six feet works out at 'about' 183cm. (actually 1.8288m., to be exact). .

Well, since there is no living person on this planet that is either 1.8288m or 6 feet tall all day long, we are significantly shorter when we go to bed than waking up, that sort of precision isn´t really required. In the real world people use 6 feet tall just as much as a watershed between not tall and tall as metric people use 1.80 for the same purpose. Well, with people getting taller i noticed that some people moved to 1.90 ...... evolution has a long way to go before you can graduate to 7 feet .....    
Quoting nav30 (Reply 128):
I hope you'll agree that that would just have caused delay, and very possibly misunderstandings?

I do, however i would worry a hell lot more if cops, no matter if they grew up metric or imperial, had any trouble knowing what a 9mm and a .38 caliber gun is. They should know a thing or two about guns. Heck, i know, and i haven´t touched a gun in 20 years, nor am i especially interested in them. And since you can´t tell the caliber from looking at the hole at the end of the barrel and usually can´t tell the caliber by identifying the gun as most are available in several, he is most likely to have taken your 0.38 inch caliber gun in a much broader sense.
If you had in fact told him it was a 9.652mm gun, he would probably understood loud and clear that you don´t know much about guns 
Quoting nav30 (Reply 128):

My guess is that the people who devised the metric system more or less 'started with the metre,' deliberately making it different to the yard.

the metre is not deliberately made to be different from the yard, it is made to be 1/40000000 of the equatorial circumference of earth. If earth had the right size, metre and yard could very well be identical.

Quoting nav30 (Reply 128):
Ignoring the fact that it had no links to 'more natural' measurements like the inch (thumb), the foot (foot), and the yard (pace)?

Well, as a kid i learned that one metre is about an adults man long stride and it is used in that way to take rough, quick measurements. So that argument kinda falls short.
Its irrelevant anyways for some reasons. The best is: its BS. A foot isn´t roughly as long as feet are, that would be just 10-11 inches, and average feet used to be a lot smaller than that just decades ago. The only "natural" reference the modern imperial unit system ever used was: the dry grain of barley
Now i don´t know about you, but i don´t have a habit of carrying those around to take some quick measurements.
The unit equivalents are reverse engineered, our feet just happen to be the best approximation of a foot our body has to offer, and the same is true for inch and yard.
Moreover, when you learn about measuring you are a kid, so none of that works for you in any meaningful way and you have to learn that the units are abstract. By the time your foot gets to be around one foot long, the unit system is firmly embedded in your brain. If you grew up in a metric system, you will use ~30cm for quick, rough measurements per pedes w/o having to think anymore about it than assuming it as one foot.

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Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:36 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 131):

the metre is not deliberately made to be different from the yard, it is made to be 1/40000000 of the equatorial circumference of earth. If earth had the right size, metre and yard could very well be identical.

Which was measured using the astronomical and optical methods available in the 18th century. The resulting length was then marked on a platinium-iridium bar kept as a standard in Paris. But after a few centuries it was noticed that the way the meter was defined back then was not accurate enough for the requirements of modern technology, that earth wasn't a perfect sphere and that the metal bar changed dimensions over a long time. So the definition was changed to dimensions taken from nature, which are considered to be constant over millions of years and allow for greater accuracy. Today the meter is defined as the distance light travels in vacuum within 1/299,792,458 of a second, as time can be measured more accurately using atom clocks. This can then be checked by using an interferometer.

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Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:02 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 3):
and are already out of a major thing called the Euro.

Which was very smart in my opinion.

Quoting md11engineer (Reply 124):
4,190 legue Mexico[81] = 2500 tresas = 5000 varas

Yes. League, as in "Leguas", some people may still get it, as you find it in Spanish Literature books from the 19th century. Get as in understand, but not used.

Tresas or varas I´ve never heard nor read books from the past with those. I guess when you were riding a horse from A to B you did not need to be that specific.

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Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:02 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 133):
Tresas or varas I´ve never heard nor read books from the past with those.

I think tresa is a typo for toesa, Spanish for toise (7 Castillian feet).

Vara (stick) was roughly Spain's yard. Which, as usual on those times, was different in every town (Alicante's being the longest at 0,8359m and Teruel the shortest at 0,768m). It tended to be 3 times whatever was used as a foot on that particular town.
 
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Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:50 pm

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 131):
Moreover, when you learn about measuring you are a kid
Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 131):
I do, however i would worry a hell lot more if cops, no matter if they grew up metric or imperial, had any trouble knowing what a 9mm and a .38 caliber gun is.
Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 131):
And since you can´t tell the caliber from looking at the hole at the end of the barrel

I started my working life as a Chartered Surveyor, tommy1808. I remain more competent than most people at 'measuring' things.

And on 'national service' I occasionally found myself patrolling 'allied' camp perimeters in Germany. We weren't allowed to carry rifles or Sten guns, for fear of 'frightening the natives.' So we carried holstered thirty-eight 'semi-automatic' pistols. So I could (and still can) pretty well recognise one of those when I see one?

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Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:50 pm

The old imperial Russian Mosin-Nagant rifle was also called the "three line rifle" as due to some ancient Russian measurement unit three "lines" equaled the calibre of 7.62 millimeters.

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Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:25 pm

I'm part of the old school here in the UK. I used to buy a pound (lb) of whatever for a set amount. I now go into one of the supermarkets and get charged between 40 to 60 new pence for one bleeping apple or whatever. That is 8 to 12 old shillings. Younger people may accept this as normal but, not me. Total rip-off is all. Bring back imperial measures   
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Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:25 am

Quoting nav30 (Reply 135):
So I could (and still can) pretty well recognise one of those when I see one?

if the gun was only made in one caliber or the 0.38 caliber is a very distinctive version, then you will. But you will not see if the hole in the barrel is 9 or 9.1mm. However, with most .38 caliber ammunitions actually being 9.1mm and pretty far away from 9.652mm, saying "it was a 9mm" would still have been more precise now, wouldn´t it?

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Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:14 am

I'm not from the UK, but I wish them all the best, please leave the EU, stay in the EU, whatever.

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Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:10 am

Quoting frostyj (Thread starter):
Another terrible influence of the EU has been the influx of immigrants wanting to earn money and take it OUT of our country.. But that is another issue.

This thread just made me laugh the whole way through.

I'll just say this... the dirty immigrant that I am (born and raised French) is working in the aerospace industry and paying WAY more income tax (about £900 a month) than any average Brit. The reason I have this job, at this level, is because no other suitable UK candidate was available. Make of it what you will.

The figures will also tell you that the immigrants in the UK pay more in taxes (V.A.T, income tax, council tax, etc.) and National Insurance contributions than they take out in subsidies and social aids. Yes, you read me right - immigration is actually a good thing for the UK budget.

Regarding the metric system... well let me tell you, especially in our industry, the imperial system is a major pain in the bottom. We get orders in all kinds of different exotic measurements - and this leads to an impressive number of scraps. this is because we're working to so precise extremes that the few numbers after the decimal point matter immensely. Conversions are not good enough.

Oh and..

OP ... The reason why an immigrant might take your job one day is because he probably won't be as bigoted, close-minded, xenophobic and blatantly ignorant as you are. Get an education buddy, open your eyes.

You live in a connected world - companies, governments and individuals cannot afford to not work on an international scale anymore. It's just not possible. I guarantee 100% you WILL one day work for a company or organisation that has people from multiple countries, creeds, etc. And you WILL have to work with, even FOR them, and be tolerant, and use the metric system and whatnot. No job today exists, that is completely sheltered from globalization. None.
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:57 am

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 140):
Regarding the metric system... well let me tell you, especially in our industry, the imperial system is a major pain in the bottom. We get orders in all kinds of different exotic measurements

I know that it's usually called the 'imperial' system, AF1624, but the main problem that you face is surely the United States? The USA made use of metric measurements legal very early in the process (about 1795, if my memory is correct) but, on their cherished principle of 'freedom,' they left people free to use the 'imperial' system as well, if they chose to? And most Americans still use it (presumably because it is so much more 'flexible,' being largely 'twelve-based' rather than 'ten-based'). And the USA still dominates the aviation industry.

So, given that you apparently work in the aviation business, you probably face a lifetime of having to understand, and occasionally work in, the so-called 'imperial' system? I'd relax and get used to it, if I were you?  

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Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:23 pm

Quoting Nav30 (Reply 141):

Yes and no. I fully understand and support the use of imperial units for flight - knots, feet, etc.

But not for measurements of parts, composites, etc. which require a lot more precision.

Aircraft integrators (such as Airbus) work to the metric system, and it would be much better if all our suppliers worked to that system also. Beyond my personal preference for a given system, my take on it is that it can only be a good thing for everyone to work to the same system when they are working together instead of having to convert back and forth.
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:30 pm

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 140):
WAY more income tax (about £900 a month) than any average Brit. The reason I have this job, at this level, is because no other suitable UK candidate was available. Make of it what you will.

Averages are great, but you're hardly unique paying that much tax - plenty of Brits do. It's excellent that you apparently filled a skills gap and are so obviously productive, but you're neither a one-off nor, necessarily, typical of every other immigrant out there. As has been outlined, the benefits and drawbacks picture is complex - is it all purely about economics? There is obvious pressure on services these days, for example. I'm not saying I'm against immigration (and I'm certainly not against staying in the EU), and in any case - leaving the EU, as I already stated, will probably not significantly change the immigration picture anyway, no matter what people might think they're voting for.
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:32 pm

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 142):
my take on it is that it can only be a good thing for everyone to work to the same system when they are working together instead of having to convert back and forth.

We can only recall Mars Orbiter here.

NASA used metric, Lockheed Martin used imperial (despite NASA specification for the software that called for metric units) and the result was that a very expensive piece of equipment crashed.
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:04 pm

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 142):
Aircraft integrators (such as Airbus) work to the metric system, and it would be much better if all our suppliers worked to that system also. Beyond my personal preference for a given system, my take on it is that it can only be a good thing for everyone to work to the same system when they are working together instead of having to convert back and forth.

Another issue which annoys me is e.g. the use of arbitrary industrial standards like numbered drill bits, e.g. a No.10 drill bit, with each larger number having a smaller diametre. Why do not give the drill bit size in a dimension of size, either e.g. 5/32" or in millimeters, as done in metric countries. Additionally when measuring drill bits in millimeters they come usually in steps of one tenth of a millimeter, e.g. to drill out a 3/16 inch rivet (where the hole is nominally 4.8 millimeters), you use a drill bit two tenths smaller, e.g. 4.6 millimeters.

Not even to speak of the American Wire Gauge (AWG). You can't just measure the diametre of an electrical wire with vernier caliphers and get the right crimping socket, instead you'll have to go to the conversion tables first.

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Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:51 am

Imperial wins hands down in music. I've never heard a song with "kilometre" in it. Far too awkward a word.

The Proclaimers would never have even charted with "I would walk 805 kilometers."

I'd bet my lawn darts that no-one can find a decent song with metric in it.



 
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:20 pm

Quoting offloaded (Reply 146):
I'd bet my lawn darts that no-one can find a decent song with metric in it.

Easy - The Beatles "Lovely Rita, metre maid".   
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:03 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 147):

   Ummmm......
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Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:24 am

Quoting offloaded (Reply 146):
Imperial wins hands down in music. I've never heard a song with "kilometre" in it. Far too awkward a word.

That's very language dependent though. In English, the accent is on the 'o' which makes it quite awkward rhythmically. In some languages, the same word, spelled the same (except -er rather than -re) has the accents on 'ki' and 'me', which is a lot more song friendly. And don't forget, it's often abbreviated too.

In other languages still, like Mandarin Chinese, kilometre and mile are both two syllable words with the same tones, so which ever one you use makes absolutely no difference except for rhyming.

I find it sad when people have a "why can't they learn English" attitude. Thanks to its diverse heritage, English speakers have huge leg up when learning other germanic, romance or latin based languages, and with the abundance of resources on the internet and dirty job stealing foreigners like me about to practise with, it's really never been easier (or cheaper!) to acquire another language.

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