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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 10:22 am

Quoting David L (Reply 196):
Yes...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results

... and in Scotland...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results/scotland

When you look at both of these results is very clear that some form of proportional representation should be enacted ASAP, SNP winning 56 seats in Scotland is a joke, and shows how daft the electoral system is. They had 1.4 million votes opposed to 700,000 Labor votes yet took nearly all the seats, in no way is that a fair representation of the people. Ditto for UKIP who recieved more votes than SNP and LibDems combined yet only 1 seat.

FPP is fine when there are only two parties but does not work in a multiparty election.
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 10:38 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 184):
I've been up all night following events.

I had no intention of staying up to see a hung verdict but simply not believing the exit poll numbers I was up till 4am. Scotland apart, I still can't quite believe what's happened elsewhere.

Farage loses and resigns but after a break, may stand for re-election as party leader again.

Clegg unsurprisingly resigns, Milliband likely to follow shortly.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 200):
When you look at both of these results is very clear that some form of proportional representation should be enacted ASAP

I agree but don't hold your breath. Even by losing over 15% of the national vote share, the Lib Dems still had around 900k more votes nationally than the SNP and have been politically destroyed.
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 11:21 am

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 201):
Milliband likely to follow shortly.

Yes, he's gone now. Stepping down after the VE celebrations later today. Harriet Harmon to act as leader until a new leader elected.

Amazing - a Tory majority and three party leaders resigned.  Wow!
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 11:36 am

What this will mean to LHR's 3rd runway?
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 11:38 am

Quoting gkirk (Reply 190):
Ed Balls just lost his seat to the Tories capping a horrific night for Labour
Quoting OA260 (Reply 199):
Great news

Probably the only thing we'll ever agree on.

An odious man.

Now with the Conservatives having pretty much a majority, it'll be interesting what happens to the NHS.

Oh, and Cleggy bowing out with grace:

"If our losses today are part-payment for every family that is more secure because of a job we helped create, every person with depression who is treated with the compassion they deserve, every child who does a little better in school, every apprentice with a long and rewarding career to look forward to, every gay couple who know their love is worth no less than everyone else's, and every pensioner with a little more freedom and dignity in retirement, then I hope our losses can be endured with a little selfless dignity."

That's not a bad record Nick.
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 11:40 am

Balls out, Farage out, Galloway out, Miliband, Clegg & Farage resigning. Astounding thrashing.

Dave did well, I am just happy labour got nowhere near power.

Quoting teme82 (Reply 203):
What this will mean to LHR's 3rd runway?

The same thing it means under any leader, It wont happen.
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 12:06 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 200):
When you look at both of these results is very clear that some form of proportional representation should be enacted ASAP

Well, yes, I agree... now! However, it's not that long ago that we got a vote on that issue and we voted against it. Labour and Conservative were against it and I voted against it. What's needed is a way to push for PR without admitting to a u-turn.  

Ironically we have PR for the Scottish parliament, which suits "minority" parties, such as the Tories.

Quoting giancavia (Reply 205):
The same thing it means under any leade

   Labour and Conservative might give different reasons for dragging their heels but I haven't seen a lot of evidence that either party is more or less in favour of expanding LHR than the other.
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 12:09 pm

David L [ reply 196]

Thanks for posting the web sites they were very interesting, and I will not repeat what others have said except that perhaps there are too many MP seats allocated to Scotland and one example is the Western isles where SNP won with a 8600 vote . In fact the total number of people voting there was 16000.
Now Farage got more than the total vote in the western isles and still lost
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 12:26 pm

Quoting vc10 (Reply 207):
it's not that long ago that we got a vote on that issue and we voted against it.

...thought that was only for one 'flavour' of PR?
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 12:32 pm

Quoting vc10 (Reply 207):
OK, but they're not all like that! Here are the numbers from the 2010 election:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._Kingdom_Parliament_constituencies

If you copy the table, paste it into Excel and sort by Electorate 2010 it won't look quite as bad, especially compared to a lot of the Welsh seats, for example.

Edit: The number of Scottish seats at Westminster was cut from 72 to 59 after the Scottish Parliament was created.

[Edited 2015-05-08 05:34:13]
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 12:37 pm

Quoting Vanguard (Reply 208):
...thought that was only for one 'flavour' of PR?

Maybe but the gist of the opposing argument was that we should stick to "first past the post". Oops!
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 1:10 pm

Well one thing is 100% certain - the UK will be staying in the EU but likely off the Euro, unless Europe's economic stability dramatically improves....
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 1:28 pm

What a totally horrendous night for Britain. Not only is Labour still in opposition, but the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen is now in overall control with a Chancellor who is determined to bankrupt this country. Don't believe all the crap you read in the papers, especially the right wing press such as the Daily Express and the Daily Heil. The fact is that Osborne has plunged us further in to debt than Labour ever did and shows no signs of even beginning to stop these totally ludicrous "Austerity Cuts". The only thing the Austerity cuts have achieved is to make the poor even poorer whilst the rich get richer. Cameron has the audacity to say that he cares about the working people in this country. What absolute tripe! All Cameron cares about is keeping his rich friends rich and to hell with the working classes. It would not surprise me one iota if they even considered bringing back the workhouses that this country say in Victorian times.

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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 1:45 pm

Quoting Vanguard (Reply 208):

I thought the referendum was for Australian style preferential voting, not PR? The two have basically got nothing in common. There was a lot of misinformation and half truths put out by the major parties about preferential voting, which isn't difficult when it is so complex, which is unfortunate as I genuinely believe that it is the best option given the circumstances in the UK, much better than PR.
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 1:55 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 211):
Well one thing is 100% certain - the UK will be staying in the EU

Personally, I hope we do, but I don't see it as being even close to a 100% certainty.   
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 2:24 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 213):
I thought the referendum was for Australian style preferential voting, not PR?

It was. We just called it by one of its other names, AV.
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 2:38 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 213):

Yes, you're right, it was the Alternative Vote system that was on offer. However, I suspect there'll be more focus on PR now.
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 2:57 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 216):
However, I suspect there'll be more focus on PR now.

Looking at the votes cast
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results

A true PR system would have produced the following:

Conservatives - 240
Labour - 197
UKIP - 82
Lib Dem 51
SNP - 31
Greens - 25

VERY different!
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 3:17 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 217):

Then we could have a Conservative-UKIP coalition and everyone would be happy.   
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 3:29 pm

Congrats to Cameron

And on a brighter note it looks like the Alarmist took a hit as well.
"Britain’s Climate Change Secretary Ed Davey has lost his seat to the Conservative party, in an election night that has seen the Liberal Democrats presence in the House of Commons decimated. —The Mirror, 8 May 2015"



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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 3:54 pm

Quoting ferengi80 (Reply 212):
What absolute tripe! All Cameron cares about is keeping his rich friends rich and to hell with the working classes.

Tax avoiding, 2 million gbp house owning champagne socialist Miliband was all about the working class? The man who wanted to steal from peoples private pensions to fund his little "social" experiments. I find your position hilarious, Labour is jam packed with Millionaires. Ed Balls would have been back in charge of the finances and britain would become a bankrupt cesspit. The only people mad or shouting are those who love handouts and hate working for a living. If you work you benefit, The Vote speaks for itself. Labour were absolutely destroyed. The people didnt want Labour stealing our money and funding lavish lifestyle for dossers and jihadis fresh off the boat.

Quoting David L (Reply 218):
And on a brighter note it looks like the Alarmist took a hit as well.

It's been a bad night for champagne socialists and environmental scaremongers.
 
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Fri May 08, 2015 3:59 pm

Quoting giancavia (Reply 220):
Tax avoiding, 2 million gbp house owning champagne socialist Miliband was all about the working class? The man who wanted to steal from peoples private pensions to fund his little "social" experiments. I find your position hilarious, Labour is jam packed with Millionaires. Ed Balls would have been back in charge of the finances and britain would become a bankrupt cesspit. The only people mad or shouting are those who love handouts and hate working for a living. If you work you benefit, The Vote speaks for itself

It is the same story in the U.S. Socialism is for the people not the Socialist. The left is filled with millionaires and billionaires.
 
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Fri May 08, 2015 4:29 pm

A waste of time me voting UKIP.
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Fri May 08, 2015 4:35 pm

Quoting winterlight (Reply 222):
A waste of time me voting UKIP.

Very possibly. Never mind, you can re-elect Farage as the leader in September.   

I really expect UKIP to disappear from the electoral landscape soon, especially after a EU in-out referendum.
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Fri May 08, 2015 4:59 pm

Quoting ferengi80 (Reply 212):
What a totally horrendous night for Britain. Not only is Labour still in opposition, but the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen is now in overall control with a Chancellor who is determined to bankrupt this country.

I remember seeing a similar posting after Tony Blair's re-election in 2001; saying Tony Blair was the worst PM in British history.
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Fri May 08, 2015 5:36 pm

Teflon Tony really was the worst though.
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Fri May 08, 2015 5:42 pm

I think he is hated even more now then when he was priminister. Vile creature he is.
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 6:02 pm

Quoting giancavia (Reply 220):
The only people mad or shouting are those who love handouts and hate working for a living.

No, that's what you keep telling yourself. In reality the people who disagree with you aren't all bottom-dwelling scum- I know plenty of Labor voters who are comfortably in the top 1% or earners in the UK, plus plenty who aren't but still work hard for a living.

You got your wish for a Tory majority- time to show a bit of class during your victory lap.
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 6:20 pm

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 227):
No, that's what you keep telling yourself.

I don't need to tell myself, It is the reality of what happened. Working people dont want to be bankrupted on behalf of some hypocritical millionaires promise to fund the lazy and radical as they sit at home.

My wish was no labour, I am not interested in sharia or funding dossers. Especially when a millionaire thinks he can come along and raid peoples private savings at a whim while welcoming in Isis finest. Labour panders to the muslim vote and the 5 kids from 5 daddies crowd. Good riddance.
 
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Fri May 08, 2015 6:26 pm

Quoting giancavia (Reply 228):
I don't need to tell myself, It is the reality of what happened. Working people dont want to be bankrupted on behalf of some hypocritical millionaires promise to fund the lazy and radical as they sit at home.

9 million people voted Labor. Are you saying none of those are employed people who are not radical Muslims?
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Fri May 08, 2015 6:31 pm

There has to be hundreds of radicals in Tower Hamlets alone.
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Fri May 08, 2015 6:32 pm

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 229):
9 million people voted Labor. Are you saying none of those are employed people who are not radical Muslims?

More didn't, The majority dont want to fund scroungers. The majority are tired of the likes of labour trying to introduce things like blasphemy laws to pander to their precious Muslim vote that they admit they have. We are happier with the growing economy and slash in funding for the benefits culture. The majority overwhelmingly told Labour to get ****ed. Good riddance to them and their something for nothing culture.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 221):
It is the same story in the U.S. Socialism is for the people not the Socialist. The left is filled with millionaires and billionaires.

Indeed, sorry I missed that.
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 7:39 pm

Wow! Who'd be an opinion pollster today then?

As for the SNP, they seem to win more then in seats.
They can say 'look, the English always vote Tory, we were right, they only way to be rid of them is if we leave'.
Nevermind that their huge success played a big part in it, not only losing Labour all those seats but the very real fear elsewhere that Labour could only be propped up by them, agreement or not, no matter what Milliband said.
Because you cannot change a over 4 year largely negative image in one month, however true or fair that image is.

The press went wild on it but that was only in response to the image he had anyway, the 'brother' issue, the distraction of their 2010 leadership contest allowing the Tories and Lib Dems to frame the narrative even more than they managed in the 2010 election.
Callaghan stayed on for 18 months after 1979 however unlike Brown he was, despite losing in 1979, more personally popular.
Speaking of Brown, note to Labour, if you allow a coronation of a new leader, which was inevitable for many years, other potential talent is in short supply when the 'inevitable' leader eventually goes.

Sometimes in politics, a seemingly less important decision can come back and bite years later.
When the Scottish Referendum was announced and planning started, Labour could either have campaigned alone to stay in the Union or join 'Better Together' with the Tories and Lib Dems.

They made the obvious choice, 'we need most of all politically for Scotland to stay, 'Better Together' sounds good, one of our own is chairing it', it will set the right tone and best of all, concentrate resources on the battle not split it.
Most people would think that, unless they were in Scotland, their branch of the party knew better but were clearly overruled.
(Hence the fractious resignation of their leader AFTER the vote was won, since as they must have secretly feared all along the SNP capitalised so effectively on Labour being in league with the long toxic Tories and more recently loathed Lib Dems, hence their membership surge which last night blew Labour and the Lib Dems away).

Ignited too by Cameron's stance the next morning after the Referendum.
Even some Tories have feared that the tactic of damaging Labour this way has endangered the Union but as a plan, it worked way better than even he would have dreamed.
As many Labour people reported in the past two weeks, the SNP influence issue came up on the doorsteps time and again, this not only energised Tory voters it likely steered many away from UKIP too.
And made the Lib Dems plight worse.

Labour captured some Lib Dem seats and they needed to get them all in seats where they and Labour were the two front runners.
But the Tories captured a load off them too and that really boosted them, this I think is what the polls missed the most, in the past the Lib Dems have been hard to shift even when the political enviroment was bad for them. Until now.

But how can Cameron prevent the break up of the UK with such an incredible polarisation between England and Scotland politically?
To be fair he has stated a desire to not only grant more devolution for not only Scotland, as per the agreement late in the Referendum campaign but also to the regions.
With such an unexpected victory I hope he has the will and the political capital, for now at least, to go further.
Federalise.
Osbourne has talked of trying to create 'Northern Powerhouses', linking closer major cities.

It's not just Scotland, there is rising resentment of London SE England over domination.
The majority of recent major building projects are in London to give one example.
They talk about 're-balancing' the economy', while encouraging inward investment, the motor industry has done well here recently, it's needs more than that and they probably know it.

This should be a Tory article of faith, devolving power, so why not go for it?
Should we look to the US or maybe Germany as a model - the latter probably.
Keep Defence, Bank Of England, Foreign Affairs, the Home Office and Ministry Of Justice in Westminster, the rest devolve to the regions everything else not clearly done best at a national level.
Local tax raising powers.

The latter could even be a problem for the SNP given how an independent analysis of their plans in this area found it amounted to an effective £6-7 Billion spending cut (and they cannot rely on oil as we've seen). From a population of 5 million? Ouch.
No Barnett Formula either.

Even at their most polished, the SNP could not blame the English aside from their real die hards, it's their own policy.
So they might want to get better terms within the framework of the agreement.
We'll start with Trident shall we?
You cite your needs given certain conditions unique to Scotland we'll cite ours, national security included.

Away from all that, glad to see Farage gone - UKIP have peaked, only the defecting MP Carswell kept a seat and is locally popular anyway.
Better still, goodbye Galloway too. I hear Palestine is nice and warm.
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 7:42 pm

Quoting ferengi80 (Reply 212):
What a totally horrendous night for Britain.

Not in the slightest.   

It could hardly have gone better.
- A Tory majority government
- Labour spanked
- Miliband gone
- SDP win everything for nothing   

Do you want some twisted to go with your bitter?
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Fri May 08, 2015 7:50 pm

Right, so that's the election over with. Can we have a third runway now please?


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Fri May 08, 2015 9:26 pm

Now the good stuff begins....


Who will labour elect as their new leader?

Looking at the Labour bench, I really can't see any leadership material, perhaps apart from Chuka Umunna.

Obviously it depends on the Union paymasters and who they want to lead. A proper left wing Marxist firebrand, or a moderate who can keep Labours core supporters but win in the center ground.

Choose the wrong leader, and they could be in the political wilderness for years.

One piece of advice I would give... Keep Tony Blair as far away as possible, and never ever wheel him out for elections or party conferences!

Also, don't hire David Axelrod for £300,000 for a few phone consultations and 6 visits.
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Fri May 08, 2015 9:35 pm

For sale:- One 8ft high 'pledge stone' obelisk. Engraved with Labour's six election promises, signed by Ed Miliband. Never used.
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Fri May 08, 2015 9:51 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 232):
Wow! Who'd be an opinion pollster today then?

If they didn't demand payment on the day of publication, they may struggle to get their invoices settled now

Quoting GDB (Reply 232):
Callaghan stayed on for 18 months after 1979

This very much used to be the way, leaders took a defeat on the chin, sat back and plotted revenge. Churchill was humiliated in 1945 and was re elected as PM in 1950. Harold Wilson lost in 1970 and regained power in 1974. Latterly losing party leaders resign on the spot.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 234):

Right, so that's the election over with. Can we have a third runway now please?

It seems far more likely than in 2010, specially with no Lib Dems under the flight path.

The part of Ed Milliband that irritated me the most was his constant "I'm supporting working families" line. The nearest he has ever got to a working family is paying his window cleaner !!
 
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Fri May 08, 2015 10:19 pm

Quite a lot of anti SNP/Anti Scotland comments on here as I expected, it's not the SNP that is killing the UK, it's London.
The SNP has went from 6 seats to 56, does that not tell you something?

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Fri May 08, 2015 10:54 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 238):

The SNP has went from 6 seats to 56, does that not tell you something?

Two things actually

1. There are far to many seats in Scotland
2. Some form of proportional representation is clearly needed, a party with 1.4 million votes should not win more seats than a party winning 3.8 million votes, nor should labour with half SNP vote in Scotland win no seats.
 
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Fri May 08, 2015 11:01 pm

No idea why people keep bringing up the break up of the UK. Scotland had their vote, Its over now. They cant just have a choice on independence every year. As for the rest of the UK unhappy with the South East. Nonsense, Why didnt they vote labour or for any kind of change? Things are going well, Things are stable and progressing. They survive off of the wealth created in London. Without it the country would be screwed. I dont know why people scare monger. It was a great night as long as you like to work for a living.

Quoting gkirk (Reply 238):
The Lion has roared!

Yeah right, All I heard was a meow.. What power does the SNP have genuinely? I cant believe there are still people that buy into salmonds crap. Scotland voted NO when it had the chance to split, The vocal minority lost despite intimidation. We are all going to move on now. Everyone that wants to "work" will benefit (no pun intended) for the next 5 years.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 236):
For sale:- One 8ft high 'pledge stone' obelisk. Engraved with Labour's six election promises, signed by Ed Miliband. Never used.

I heard he is using it as his kitchen counter. Should add more value to his working class Mansion.
 
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Fri May 08, 2015 11:06 pm

The 1st past the post electoral system will survive. Many times political parties have promised to reform it, only to change their minds once it has elected them
 
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Fri May 08, 2015 11:28 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 238):
The Lion has roared!

And it will roar impotently from the opposition benches at a near unbelievable Tory majority the Sainted Nicola gave a substantial helping hand to. Just nine short months after the Lion chose not to play without a safety net.
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Sat May 09, 2015 2:34 am

Did the Conservatives win or did Labour/Lib-Dems lose ? That to me is the question. The huge wins for SNP sapped a lot of Labour seats and for the rest of the UK, it may just be anger over higher taxes and too much welfare spending. wanting a more conservative view on immigration, especially as to those from Islamic countries.
 
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Sat May 09, 2015 4:21 am

Quoting giancavia (Reply 240):
I dont know why people scare monger.

     

Oh the irony, coming form Mr. "The Muslims are coming hide your women and children"!!!!!

Such as just a few replies above:

Quoting giancavia (Reply 228):
I don't need to tell myself, It is the reality of what happened. Working people dont want to be bankrupted on behalf of some hypocritical millionaires promise to fund the lazy and radical as they sit at home.
Quoting giancavia (Reply 228):
I am not interested in sharia
Quoting giancavia (Reply 228):
when a millionaire thinks he can come along and raid peoples private savings at a whim while welcoming in Isis finest.

______

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 142):
There is no such thing as Islamaphobia.

Like there is no such thing as anti-semitism and there are no gays in Iran?

[Edited 2015-05-08 21:49:57]
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Sat May 09, 2015 7:49 am

Quoting giancavia (Reply 240):
They survive off of the wealth created in London. Without it the country would be screwed.

Scrap the London weighted pay and make all the Cockneys survive on minimum wage (£6.50 per hour btw)? No we can't do that, it's London! London is the centre of the Universe.

All those folk wanting less MPs from Scotland, how about only 1 MP for London? No? DIdnt think so.  
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Sat May 09, 2015 8:20 am

Quoting giancavia (Reply 240):
No idea why people keep bringing up the break up of the UK. Scotland had their vote, Its over now. They cant just have a choice on independence every year. As for the rest of the UK unhappy with the South East. Nonsense, Why didnt they vote labour or for any kind of change? Things are going well, Things are stable and progressing. They survive off of the wealth created in London. Without it the country would be screwed. I dont know why people scare monger. It was a great night as long as you like to work for a living.

1, You seem to know little of the SNP agenda, they are a bit like UKIP and Tory anti EU loons on Europe, they are obsessed with one goal and the mere fact of losing a referendum but not massively (as in the 1975 one), will not deter them. It is very unhealthy for a United Kingdom to have a party formed only to separate from it dominating one of the nations that make up our country.
From a blog by Mark Easton;
David Cameron will find it difficult to balance his promise to answer the English question with his determination to make the union stronger.
The London mayor and newly-elected Tory MP Boris Johnson argues the prime minister must reach out to the Scots.
"There has to be some sort of federal offer," he told the BBC. "Everybody needs to take a deep breath and think about how we want the United Kingdom to progress."
The problem with a federal UK, however, is that England is so much bigger and more powerful than the other members of such a federation.
There is no easy or obvious answer to how the interests of each corner of the kingdom can be properly reflected and respected.


There I am agreeing with Boris Johnson!

2. Things are going OK for some, do you know anyone on a Zero Hours Contract? Or anyone whose one fairly stable job is now anything but that? I do. And I'm in the London area. If you are young and not got wealthy parents try buying your own home in a place like greater London. While some good jobs have happened most of the new ones since 2010 are low wage, often short term contact.

3. Even George Osbourne knows and has said that London SE England domination is not good for the sought after re-balanced economy. This is the man however who ensured one of the few changes from local pressure on the planned HS2 route just happens to be around the area of his parliamentary seat!

[Edited 2015-05-09 01:30:25]
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Sat May 09, 2015 8:47 am

Quoting gkirk (Reply 238):
Quite a lot of anti SNP/Anti Scotland comments on here as I expected, it's not the SNP that is killing the UK, it's London.
The SNP has went from 6 seats to 56, does that not tell you something?

The Lion has roared!

Maybe Scotland should have gone for independance. It seems that they want all the powers of being on their own but without the risk factor of going alone. Just an observation from all the representatives from the Scottish political circles and the people themselves.

With regards the election result its a brilliant one and thank god the country was saved from Labour and that weak leader that is thankfully no more.
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Sat May 09, 2015 9:33 am

Quoting n229nw (Reply 244):
Oh the irony, coming form Mr. "The Muslims are coming hide your women and children"!!!!!

I was talking about the economy, not your jaded little passion for sky fairies. I live in the real world not fantasy so any time a group wants to come together to control my life via their religion I will fight it and vote against anyone that panders to them. Labour openly seek out the Muslim vote. Try harder next time.

GDB after all of that the reality is they still have no power, They will not force anything. There will not be another independence attempt in the near future. They had their chance they got a no from their own people. They wiped out a pathetic labour party. The Scots will see what life is like under the SNP and no doubt when the next election comes along the hatred will be strong. Broken promises and a roar that resembles a meow. Salmond is good at running his mouth for entertainment but when it comes to actually leading what did he ever do? The Sturgeon is cut from the same cloth.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 247):
With regards the election result its a brilliant one and thank god the country was saved from Labour and that weak leader that is thankfully no more.

Precisely.
 
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RE: The UK Election Thread

Sat May 09, 2015 9:49 am

Quoting gkirk (Reply 238):
it's not the SNP that is killing the UK, it's London.

This would be the same London that Scotland takes more from than it contributes to and can't survive without?   

Quoting gkirk (Reply 238):
The SNP has went from 6 seats to 56, does that not tell you something?

Yes, that the UK is in desperate need of a fairer voting system. The FPTP system is better when there are only two main parties, but in the 21st century, it seems very unfair.

I'm certainly not a UKIP supporter, but how can it be right that the SNP gets 56 seats when polling less than 1.5 million votes while UKIP gets just one MP with nearly 4 million votes?

Quoting gkirk (Reply 238):
The Lion has roared!

From the opposition benches where they have exactly ZERO power.

All through the election, even after the exit poll was announced, Sturgeon kept repeating that her main aim was to get the Tories out of power. Epic fail.

The SNP Lion (in reality, the SNP one is less cute):
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140519075925/thehungergames/images/8/84/Kitten-16219-1280x800.jpg

Quoting giancavia (Reply 240):
I heard he is using it as his kitchen counter.

Which kitchen, though?
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