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Polio: Going... Going... Almost Gone.

Fri May 01, 2015 5:41 am

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...-eradication-idUSKBN0NL2F220150430

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(Reuters) - The world is closer than ever to being able to wipe out polio, international experts said on Thursday, with zero cases of the crippling disease recorded across all of Africa this year and fewer than 25 globally.

I very much hope that this is the second scourge we wipe out. And I hope we do it within two years.

I hope that before my 50th birthday I see the day when the CDC/ACIP no longer recommend IPV because poliomyelitis has been eradicated.

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Fri May 01, 2015 6:01 am

But, but, chemtrails or something......

Isn't this brilliant! Luckily polio was unecessary in Australia by the 60s, although I did know survivors amongst my parents friends. This could hardly be a better outcome for the rest of the world.

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Fri May 01, 2015 6:08 am

Quoting kent350787 (Reply 1):
Isn't this brilliant! Luckily polio was unecessary in Australia by the 60s, although I did know survivors amongst my parents friends. This could hardly be a better outcome for the rest of the world.

The vaccine is still part of the Australian routine infant program.

http://www.humanservices.gov.au/cust.../your-childs-immunisation-schedule

There are two polio vaccines. The first was the inactivated polio vaccine (IPV). This is given in the US as injections at 2,4, and 6 months and again at 4-6 years.

The oral polio vaccine (OPV) is given at 2 and 4 months, again at 12-18 months and again at 4yo. Sometimes IPV is given at 2, 4, 6 mo and then two doses of OPV.

IPV:
*cannot cause disease
*prevents polio symptoms in the case of infection
*does not prevent actual infection or shedding if infected
*must be given by injection
*almost never has side-effects other than injection-site reactions

OPV:
*can very rarely cause paralytic poliomyelitis (which is why it is no longer in use in most countries)
*Is given by a drop in the mouth or on a sugar cube
*prevents infection and shedding
*sometimes causes mild fever or loose stool
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
he vaccine is still part of the Australian routine infant program.

Absolutely. What I meant was that a vaccine was readily available by time I was born, so noone needed to contract it as a result.

I contracted MMR and varicella as a child. My infant sister was hospitalised with pertussis during my 3 bout of measles. My kids are fully up to date with scheduled vaccines, plus HepA and B. HPV vaccination is on schedule for boys and girls once they hit high school (around age 11 here).
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Fri May 01, 2015 6:24 am

Polio has been "almost" gone for decades. The problem is, Islamic radicals are preventing it from being wiped out in the last regions it still exists. Taliban and equally idiotic groups in Nigeria won't allow vaccinations to complete the job of eradication.
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Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 4):
Polio has been "almost" gone for decades. The problem is, Islamic radicals are preventing it from being wiped out in the last regions it still exists. Taliban and equally idiotic groups in Nigeria won't allow vaccinations to complete the job of eradication.

So that's just it. No cases in Africa this year. Zero. And that's a first.
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Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 4):
Taliban

Actually, in Afghanistan, there was a report about the Afghan Taliban vowing to not interfere with the efforts as long as the teams were Afghan and not foreigners. It's Pakistan which still has a large infection rate. One would think that Afghanistan, still engulfed in fighting would have the bulk of infections, yet it only has one.

There's also the need to monitor Syria and Yemen where civil war can bring polio back.

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the second scourge we wipe out

It would be the third disease overall that's been eradicated but the second human one. Smallpox was first, rinderpest (a cattle disease) was the second.
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Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 6):
It would be the third disease overall that's been eradicated but the second human one. Smallpox was first, rinderpest (a cattle disease) was the second.

OK... human scourge.
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
*must be given by injection
*almost never has side-effects other than injection-site reactions

Does that explain that "strange blotch" I have on the back of my shoulder? If that's the worse side affect then no real reason for the anti-vaxxers to get up in arms about vaccinating their kids.
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Fri May 01, 2015 3:03 pm

Great news!!

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 8):
Does that explain that "strange blotch" I have on the back of my shoulder? If that's the worse side affect then no real reason for the anti-vaxxers to get up in arms about vaccinating their kids.

This would be true if anti-vaxxers were rational human beings...
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Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 8):
Does that explain that "strange blotch" I have on the back of my shoulder?

We usually give vaccines in the leg to kids under 5.

If you have a scar on your shoulder, it might be from the BCG vaccine for tuberculosis which is used in some countries (like the UK and Mexico) but not others (like the US and Spain). Not sure if Germany uses it.
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Sat May 02, 2015 4:47 am

India eradicated polio remarkably quickly once it focused on it. Through the late 1990s, polio was hyperendemic in India, infecting almost 1000 people per day. Since 2011, there have been zero new cases. In little over a decade, we went from being easily among the worst cases to - as of 2014 after three years of no new cases - entirely polio free. The program went together with a nationwide effort to propagate vaccination and sanitation efforts. I remember seeing people with polio around quite often growing up, but my kids will most probably not know it outside of books, just as smallpox is nothing more than that to me, being born after it was eradicated.
 
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Sat May 02, 2015 5:36 am

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 11):

The horror. The absolute horror.

http://www.poliochildren.org/userfiles/Images/learn_about_polio.jpg


Another bogeyman relegated to the past where it belongs.

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It took a lot of effort, and we faced the same hurdles at the last mile as they face next door in Pakistan and Afghanistan.The Muslim mullahs claimed the vaccines were a Hindu/Jewish plot to sterilize Muslims   It took a combination of diplomacy and explicit threats to cut their privileged religious gravy train off if they didn't comply and let health workers do their job.

I remember the Pulse Polio campaigns and the mass mobilization of health workers in the late 1990s/early 2000s. Back then we hoped we could control it by the 2020s. But the effort was sustained year after year across a very large country with a lot of poor people and viral sources spread out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_Polio

In 2011 we officially identified the last person in India to be infected with polio, and 3 years later, we meet the WHO requirement to be classified entirely polio free. Not something even I believed possible when growing up in the 1990s. It just seemed too hard to accomplish that effectively, but it turned out we did.

http://www.impatientoptimists.org/Po...th-the-Last-Case-of-Polio-in-India
 
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
Not sure if Germany uses it.

not anymore, but my parents still got it that way.

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Quoting BarfBag (Reply 13):

It took a lot of effort, and we faced the same hurdles at the last mile as they face next door in Pakistan and Afghanistan.The Muslim mullahs claimed the vaccines were a Hindu/Jewish plot to sterilize Muslims   It took a combination of diplomacy and explicit threats to cut their privileged religious gravy train off if they didn't comply and let health workers do their job.

How did that second half work?
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We had one girl in our 4th or 5th grade class who came down with polio in her left hand. Everyone in the school had to have shots (gamma globulin?). It was based on weight and I got 16.2 cc's. My best friend was going through the measles and or the full 2 bottles (20 cc's total). Most of us maintained a horizontal for the rest of the day after those shots.

I believe it is important to understand that public health care was on the front line for fighting polio back in the 50s'. My mother took me with her to the Public Health Department in Houston to get those two bottles of gamma globulin at no cost (and then took me to the Doc for the injections). Dad had been transferred to Tulsa when the first vaccine came out and the family stood in line at the local high school gym with other families for that sugar cube laced with the vaccine. Again, public health care delivered at no costs.

And the ultimate in government health care for polio patients:


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What do you all think about the global eradication of mosquitoes to stop malaria? I think I read a study somewhere that the species that transmit the disease can be wiped out with minimal disruption to the environment.
 
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Quoting BarfBag (Reply 13):
In 2011 we officially identified the last person in India to be infected with polio, and 3 years later, we meet the WHO requirement to be classified entirely polio free. Not something even I believed possible when growing up in the 1990s. It just seemed too hard to accomplish that effectively, but it turned out we did.

I have always wondered how scientists and doctors definitively say something akin to, "India is polio free". Does someone from Delhi or the WHO survey each town/village? I've been fortunate to take many long bus and train rides around India and it seems almost impossible to know what the heck is really out there.

This is great news. No matter what issues divide us, no one wants these ailments on our planet.
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Quoting N867DA (Reply 18):
I have always wondered how scientists and doctors definitively say something akin to, "India is polio free". Does someone from Delhi or the WHO survey each town/village? I've been fortunate to take many long bus and train rides around India and it seems almost impossible to know what the heck is really out there.

The current accepted definition of "eradication" is if there are no cases of a disease transmitted in a given region (country, continent, hemisphere, planet) in three years. Last year Poliovirus was detected in a sewage outflow from a favela in Brazil, but there were no reported cases of polio because Brazil has such a high vaccination rate.

In the US, and presumably in most countries including India, cases of certain diseases must be reported to the Health Department. India can also do surveillance of sewage samples and such looking for the virus.

Note that this definition only works for acute diseases and not for latent ones like anything in the herpesvirus family (Chicken Pox, Herpes Simplex Virus, Epstein Barr Virus, Cytomegalovirus, etc.) or chronic infections like Hepatitis B/C Viruses or HIV.

I've long feared that polio would rear its ugly head in a town like Ashland, OR where the vaccination rates are around 30%. The only positive thing to come out of that is that it would shut down the anti-vaccine movement for a generation or two. But at a horrid cost.

In the current fight against polio, the following steps must be taken:

1) Near-complete coverage must be achieved in Pakistan and other endemic areas and...
2) Cases must be carefully monitored for three years and...
3) Surveillance of sewage must be performed and...
4) Switch from OPV to IPV once three years Poliovirus-free and then three years at which point we declare poliomyelitis to be eradicated globally, so we (this is my favorite part)...
5) Discontinue global polio vaccination program.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 18):
This is great news. No matter what issues divide us, no one wants these ailments on our planet.

Unless you're an extremist Mullah, apparently.  
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Rubella while not nearly as deadly as polio seems to have been eradicated in the America's. Take that Jenny McCarthy!


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Rubella while not nearly as deadly as polio

Perhaps not, but devastating in its own way:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
How did that second half work?

We have something called the Central Wakf Council who manage Islamic charitable trusts. The government squeezed them and stated in no uncertain terms that while they could express their grievances as freely as anyone, they would not be permitted to let their dogma get in the way of an urgent public health drive. Added to that was the threat that health workers would have armed police escorts, who would not hesitate to take on any goons who stopped them.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 18):
I have always wondered how scientists and doctors definitively say something akin to, "India is polio free".

Zero reported cases of transmission in 3 successive years is WHO's standard for declaring a country polio free. It's not really so hard to survey every single town and village. We already have a bureaucratic system in place that conducts censuses, elections and more. The Pulse Polio campaign just proved that when this system puts its mind into something, it can be extremely effective at delivering results. Add to that was the fact that the drive was a one time job per person, as opposed to continuously maintaining such efficiency, which is a lot harder. Now the challenge is to replicate the same with other diseases.
 
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Perhaps not, but devastating in its own way:

Sad indeed. And fortunately it seems to be going the way of the dodo bird.
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Polio in China

China had its last indigenous polio case in 1994

In 2000, the Regional Commission for the Certification of Poliomyelitis Eradication (RCC) in WHO Western Pacific Region declared China polio-free.

China, therefore, has successfully maintained elimination of polio for over 11 years.

In July to October 2011, China experienced an outbreak caused by imported wild poliovirus type 1 from Pakistan. The outbreak affected 10 young children and 11 adults, and resulted in 2 deaths. The last polio case in this outbreak had onset of symptoms on 9 October 2011

China neighbours two of the three countries that remain polio-endemic, Pakistan and Afghanistan. This means China remains especially vigilant in efforts to maintain a polio-free status.

http://www.wpro.who.int/china/mediacentre/factsheets/polio/en/
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Thu May 07, 2015 4:40 pm

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 17):
What do you all think about the global eradication of mosquitoes to stop malaria? I think I read a study somewhere that the species that transmit the disease can be wiped out with minimal disruption to the environment.

How would they do this? Moreover, how did they determine that it would disrupt the environment minimally?
 
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Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):

I very much hope that this is the second scourge we wipe out. And I hope we do it within two years.

BMI won't like this, its shows society pulling together and working towards a common cause for the benefit of everyone.
 
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Quoting Continental (Reply 25):
How would they do this? Moreover, how did they determine that it would disrupt the environment minimally?

It would involve either creating strong repellants, modifying your housing unit to prevent mosquitos from entering, making sure that still water runs or treat still water to destroy mosquito larvae (which in turn would produce a decline in mosquito population).

There was a proposed approach where they would try to induce female mosquitos to lay a higher proportion of male mosquito eggs. Since the female is the one that feeds off of blood (and hence bites/stings you), with a low female population, the species can survive until mosquito-borne diseases are eliminated (or reduced enough to be controlled); then allow the population to flourish.

That's tampering with the environment. Removing mosquitos may do humans a favor but there's no telling what can happen to the food chain.
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Don't mosquitos pollenate mangos and other fruits?
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Quoting LMP737 (Reply 20):
Rubella while not nearly as deadly as polio

I'm hearing disabled because of Rubella. Bad luck if you get it when you're still foetid and in another person's belly.


I just had a crazy conversation yesterday. A mother of three told me that each of her three children began screaming all day and were not calm anymore beginning the day after their vaccinations. She tries to flush the mercury out with homeopathy... she now feels responsible for their children having autism. All three. She pointed out a study which, in the abstract (!), said, that vaccinated children were not healthier than unvaccinated ones.

Yeah, that's true. Because "being healthy" means not having myriads of diseases, like eumycetoma of the brain, Morbus Duchenne, malaria, butthurt and much more. Vaccinations don't protect against stupidity either.

I just told her something. We have gas chromatography and mass spectrometry. We just KNOW what stuff there is inside a vaccination dose. We just know.

Now, let's make a vaccine just with the aluminum or squalene enhancer, but without antigens. Let's see if there are still cases of autism.

And then, let's see if people who get aluminum or squalene by other ways than vaccinations get autism. Let's see...



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Thu May 07, 2015 9:14 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 29):
She tries to flush the mercury out with homeopathy... she now feels responsible for their children having autism.

I don't know about Europe, but in the US mercury was removed from all routine pediatric vaccines in 2002 due to concerns and an attempt to appease the anti-vaxxers (really, the CDC should have known better). The only one that still has any mercury is the multidose flu vaccine and that is licensed, but not recommended for children.

I do know that Europe uses many of the same vaccine brands that the US uses (PENTACEL, MENACTRA, GARDASIL) so I would assume that European vaccines are mercury-free, as well.

Furthermore, MMR never had any mercury because it is a live attenuated vaccine. Mercury is part of the preservative thimerosal and it would have inactivated MMR, making it useless. MMR (and MMRV) ships as a lyophylized powder for reconstitution in sterile water for injection. It must be kept frozen until ready for use and it must be injected within 60 minutes of reconstitution (IIRC).

Did that stop the anti-vaxxers? Of course not. It just made vaccines more expensive because now they must be packaged as individual pre-filled syringes or single-dose vials, increasing both storage and shipping costs. And now what are the anti-vaxxers doing? Well, they moved the goalposts just like the good little denialists they are. "ALUMINUMINUMINUMINUM" even though aluminum has been cleared of responsibility for causing alzheimers. And "FORMALEDEHYDEIDDIEIEIEIO!!!" even though formaldehyde is actually an essential part of mammalian metabolism and a full round of shots increases the total formaldehyde concentration in the body by about 0.1%. And my favorite is "HYDROCHLORIC ACID! There's ACID in vaccines!" Yeah, because if the vaccine is too alkaline it needs to be buffered to a neutral pH and hydrochloric acid is what's used.
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 30):
ALUMINUMINUMINUMINUM
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 30):
FORMALEDEHYDEIDDIEIEIEIO

That's what I heard. 

Mercury-containing vaccines aren't used anymore here too. But at least that specific woman was open to have epidemiological methods explained... I have three papers attached to my name, and perhaps she could learn from me that there's is nobody out there who wants to drown out your research. Everybody is happy as long as your methods are sound and you target the right journal.


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She pointed out a study which, in the abstract (!), said, that vaccinated children were not healthier than unvaccinated ones.

Which study is this? Does it even exist?

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 29):
I just had a crazy conversation yesterday. A mother of three told me that each of her three children began screaming all day and were not calm anymore beginning the day after their vaccinations. She tries to flush the mercury out with homeopathy... she now feels responsible for their children having autism. All three. She pointed out a study which, in the abstract (!), said, that vaccinated children were not healthier than unvaccinated ones.

I'll defer to DocLightning on this one.
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Which study is this? Does it even exist?

"Healthy" is a subjective term. Vaccinated children get fewer vaccine-preventable diseases.
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Which study is this? Does it even exist?

Yes.

It's this study: http://edoc.rki.de/browsing/docviews/abstract.php?lang=ger&id=1154

" Conclusion: The prevalence of allergic diseases and non-specific infections in children and adolescents was not found to depend on vaccination status. "

This is true, but can be easily misunderstood.

Knee surgery doesn't help the average person, too. In randomly selected people with and without knee surgery, we will find the same mortality and life quality. So we should abolish that kind of surgery... 



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Fri May 08, 2015 10:08 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 28):

Don't mosquitos pollenate mangos and other fruits?
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100721/full/466432a.html

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Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 34):
Knee surgery doesn't help the average person, too. In randomly selected people with and without knee surgery, we will find the same mortality and life quality. So we should abolish that kind of surgery...

No thanks, I've had two knee surgeries and quite enjoy walking, which I wouldn't be without my knee surgeries.
 
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Sat May 09, 2015 4:37 am

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 34):
Yes.

It's this study: http://edoc.rki.de/browsing/docviews/abstract.php?lang=ger&id=1154

" Conclusion: The prevalence of allergic diseases and non-specific infections in children and adolescents was not found to depend on vaccination status. "

This is true, but can be easily misunderstood.

Someone says otherwise.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/measles-...r-infectious-diseases-study-332420

In countries with high vaccination rates children that are not immunized benefit from herd immunity. They are protected from their parents ignorance by the fact that everyone around them is immunized. Wonder what would happen if that were to start breaking down.
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Sat May 09, 2015 11:00 am

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 37):
Someone says otherwise.

The topic of that study was: Are vaccinated children generally healthier than unvaccinated ones? This was not the case. The vaccines do not prevent hay fever, epilepsy and other things. Your child just might suffer from any of the thousands of diseases, of which measles, rubella and the programming language MUMPS are just three.

A measles vaccine will just take out the risk of getting measles (and through induced immunological amnesia, as your link states, other diseases). But it can and will possibly suffer from other diseases like allergies.

It's like knee surgeries. Those with knee surgery, like KiwiRob, will say that they're happy to lose their knee problems, but they would not say they were enjoying a better overall health than people without knee surgery. But some people would turn that into an argument against knee surgery.


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Sat May 09, 2015 2:35 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 38):
Are vaccinated children generally healthier than unvaccinated ones? This was not the case.
Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 38):
A measles vaccine will just take out the risk of getting measles (and through induced immunological amnesia, as your link states, other diseases).

These are two contradictory statements.
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Sat May 09, 2015 2:57 pm

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 39):
These are two contradictory statements.

No. Because the total benefits of the measles vaccine still do not carry that much weight to make measles-vaccinated people generally healthier than non-vaccinated ones. Even the ancillary benefits of the measles vaccination (no "immunological amnesia" after having the measles) do not tip the balance.

And note that this study finding that vaccinated children were not generally healthier than non-vaccinated ones was done in Germany, where vaccinations are by far not the only thing that supports the children's health. In developing countries, some vaccinations, a mosquito net, a good water supply and a bit of health education might be the only things that keep you healthy. So there's a huge confounder at work here, as you can see by the fact that these ancillary effects of measles vaccinations were found in developing countries.


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Sat May 09, 2015 10:54 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 40):
And note that this study finding that vaccinated children were not generally healthier than non-vaccinated ones was done in Germany, where vaccinations are by far not the only thing that supports the children's health. In developing countries, some vaccinations, a mosquito net, a good water supply and a bit of health education might be the only things that keep you healthy. So there's a huge confounder at work here, as you can see by the fact that these ancillary effects of measles vaccinations were found in developing countries.

The other thing is that in areas like Germany with high vaccination rates, unvaccinated children are protected by herd immunity. In places like India, vaccinated children are *way* healthier than unvaccinated ones by just about any reasonable measure.

Flyingturtle is not arguing that vaccines aren't good. But he is highlighting a reason that denialism exists about it. "Well, my kids aren't vaccinated and they're fine." Yes, as long as the vaccination rate is high outbreaks are small and contained. Even the recent measles in outbreak didn't significantly impact the overall average health of kids in the state because most kids are vaccinated.

Sure as heck affected the health of the kids who caught it, though. And so the minor effect on overall average childrens' "health" would be small comfort to them.

I look forward to the day when we can discontinue the global polio vaccination program. Not because polio is an awful vaccine like smallpox was (http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/05/18/us-smallpox-boy-idUSN1744524120070518) but because it will be a triumph of modern medicine.

Note: A new smallpox vaccine called "IMVANEX" has been approved for use in Europe. While it is not recommended at this time for general use in the population, it is safe for use in both healthy and immunocompromised people. It is currently used in the military and will probably be available for rapid production in case of a risk of biological attack with weaponized smallpox virus (although probably many hundreds will die before production can be ramped up).
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Mon May 11, 2015 9:49 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 41):

Thanks.  
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 41):
A new smallpox vaccine called "IMVANEX" has been approved

I'm one of the test persons of that vaccine, and I have severe autism ever since, and nearly died of SIDS.     

A written statement says that my antibody titers were high enough to confer protection until 2013.

My pet vaccine troll came up with a study which simply contains a correlation analysis. It says that infant mortality rates were higher (p = 0.0009, I remember) in countries which have more vaccinations in their health departments vaccination plans.

Well, many developing countries do that because they want to show progress, and sometimes put more vaccinations in their plans than Switzerland or Germany. Actually delivering these vaccinations to the population at large would amount to a miracle, however.

(To top that, a correction was published for that paper. Both researchers - both computer scientists, not epidemiologists - failed to disclose their ties with anti-vaxxing bodies, and that the "ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute" paid for the publication costs.)


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My son, born January 1st, is getting his 3rd vaccination today. My son is getting all vaccines, and all those "Impfgegner" idiots can say what they wont, I trust my doctor.
 
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I am very pleased with Rotary International's efforts and dramatic contributions to the eradication of polio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_International#PolioPlus
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Tue May 12, 2015 3:01 am

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 42):
Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 42):
I'm one of the test persons of that vaccine, and I have severe autism ever since, and nearly died of SIDS.     

So how old were you back in 1999 when they first started development of it.
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Tue May 12, 2015 6:15 am

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 45):
So how old were you back in 1999 when they first started development of it.

I think you can't take a joke. I was 22 at the time of the phase I trial (which took place in 2003).


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RE: Polio: Going... Going... Almost Gone.

Tue May 12, 2015 4:17 pm

Quoting sccutler (Reply 44):
I am very pleased with Rotary International's efforts and dramatic contributions to the eradication of polio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_International#PolioPlus

With a topic like this, I'm sure there are many Rotarians reading this thread...myself included. For the non-Rotarians, the primary objective of Rotary International is to eradicate Polio.

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