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Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Tue May 05, 2015 7:25 pm

Not kidding, A cop got a free cup of coffee, which spilled on him and apparently activated his crohn's disease due to stress (not by drinking coffee, though I wonder if he would have sued in that case too), and had to undergo surgery for crohn's disease (not for any burns from spilt coffee).

Police officer sues Starbucks after free coffee spills, burns
 
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Tue May 05, 2015 8:33 pm

Hopefully, the jury will see what this case is really about. I wonder if the department had a policy about receiving free food/drinks etc.
 
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Tue May 05, 2015 9:18 pm

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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Tue May 05, 2015 9:36 pm

And this guy has a legal right to shoot you.

Sad part is that at the bottom of the page it said they where selecting a jury, which means the judge let the case go forward
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Tue May 05, 2015 10:13 pm

Quoting 910A (Reply 1):
I wonder if the department had a policy about receiving free food/drinks etc.

Not sure about the department's policy, but it has been a long standing Starbuck's policy, at least around here, that a uniformed member of the emergency services can receive free American Drip coffee. Ive seen plenty of police officers partake.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 3):
And this guy has a legal right to shoot you.

I assume this was tongue-in-cheek, but he has no more right to shoot someone than I do.

It's really a shame that court resources are expended on stupid things like this.

I wonder if North Carolina has a frivolous lawsuit statute.
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Tue May 05, 2015 10:25 pm

Well, we all know how Coffee Related Cases in the US go...        

I hate people that sue over any little thing, and I hate people that sue when their obviously in the wrong.

Someone intentionally hurts you? Go for it.

You don't have the mental capacity to hold your own coffee? You'd better not sue over that.
 
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Wed May 06, 2015 4:03 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
uniformed member of the emergency services

That's gonna include a lot of people.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
I assume this was tongue-in-cheek, but he has no more right to shoot someone than I do.

Theoretically, yes, but in court his chances will be much better than yours given the same circumstances.
 
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Wed May 06, 2015 4:12 am

Quoting elite (Reply 6):
That's gonna include a lot of people.

Yes. Fire, police and EMS.

Quoting elite (Reply 6):
Theoretically, yes, but in court his chances will be much better than yours given the same circumstances.

Maybe not in the current climate.
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Wed May 06, 2015 5:22 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):

I can tell you there is no such corporate policy. Sounds like something done at your local store level, possibly the district level but I doubt that.
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Wed May 06, 2015 5:46 am

Quoting cactus739 (Reply 8):
I can tell you there is no such corporate policy. Sounds like something done at your local store level, possibly the district level but I doubt that.

We had 3 in our response area, yes three free-standing Starbuck's, and they all offered it.
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Wed May 06, 2015 6:18 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
Not sure about the department's policy, but it has been a long standing Starbuck's policy, at least around here, that a uniformed member of the emergency services can receive free American Drip coffee. Ive seen plenty of police officers partake.

Some stores do not do that because it could be seen as a bribe.

The case, as a whole, as zero to do with Crohn's. The brosband has early stage Crohn's and it has more to do with the intestines and not being able to eat certain foods and little to nothing to do with being burned. I wonder what else is going on in this officer's personal life.....
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Wed May 06, 2015 7:41 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 10):
Some stores do not do that because it could be seen as a bribe.

Chances are, that if there is a policy against it, it would come from the police department.

I agree with you, though. The Crohn's disease thing is a red herring.

Interesting thing to me is that he is asking for only $50,000. I think he's just looking for a quick settlement and get a few bucks. He certainly won't live his life off that 50K. Hell, after attorney's fees, I suspect he'll only see about 30K. I guess he could just be trying to recoup medical costs...

http://time.com/3848004/north-carolina-officer-starbucks-hot-coffee/

In another article I saw that a judge opined that Starbuck's did not owe him any warranty of service because the coffee, and the cup it came in, were free.
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Wed May 06, 2015 10:15 am

Did anyone else think of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer spills hot coffee on himself and gets burned when he tries to sneak it into a movie theater?
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Wed May 06, 2015 11:33 am

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 5):
Well, we all know how Coffee Related Cases in the US go...

If you're talking about the lady who sued McD's because of the hot coffee that spilled in her lap, she actually got third-degree burns from it.

It was not a frivolous lawsuit.
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Wed May 06, 2015 10:18 pm

Quoting Airstud (Reply 13):

You are correct. While it sounds frivolous, the coffee was way above the standards for temperature in place at the time.

We talked about this case in one of my undergrad law courses.

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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Thu May 07, 2015 12:05 am

Quoting Airstud (Reply 13):
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 14):

However, had she held on to the Coffee, she would have been fine. Contributory Negligence in my eyes. Who the hell holds cup of hot coffee in between their knees?
 
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Thu May 07, 2015 12:14 am

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 15):
However, had she held on to the Coffee, she would have been fine. Contributory Negligence in my eyes. Who the hell holds cup of hot coffee in between their knees?

And the jury found that Liebeck was 20% at fault, and adjusted the award for that.

Discovery found some 600+ cases in McD's own records where people had been burned by their coffee. I doubt all of them were from holding the cup between their knees.
 
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Thu May 07, 2015 12:22 am

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 15):
Who the hell holds cup of hot coffee in between their knees?

Someone who is riding in the passenger seat of her grandson's car, an older car not equipped with cup-holders.
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Thu May 07, 2015 12:37 am

Several similar cases in Canada also. A woman was awarded a little over $69,000 in damages and costs (about half each) last year over a hot soup incident at a Tim Hortons in Quebec in 1998. The case dragged on for 16 years. She'd sued for $2 million.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/02...ns-lawsuit-hot-soup_n_4767709.html
http://o.canada.com/business/tim-hortons-soup-suit

Another Tim Hortons incident involving a tea spill in Toronto last year. No legal action yet apparently.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014...woman_with_seconddegree_burns.html
 
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Thu May 07, 2015 3:37 am

Quoting Airstud (Reply 17):
Someone who is riding in the passenger seat of her grandson's car, an older car not equipped with cup-holders.

Which probably shouldn't be the fault nor concern of Starbucks...?
 
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Thu May 07, 2015 5:56 am

Quoting elite (Reply 19):
Which probably shouldn't be the fault nor concern of Starbucks...?

What does Starbucks have to do with any of this?

In any case that coffee that she was served was outrageously, and more important needlessly overheated. Furthermore the spilling of a beverage is a highly foreseeable possibility, and while that event isn't the merchant's fault, it would have been a harmless one but for their dangerous purveyance.

[Edited 2015-05-06 22:57:09]
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Thu May 07, 2015 6:13 am

Quoting Airstud (Reply 20):
In any case that coffee that she was served was outrageously, and more important needlessly overheated. Furthermore the spilling of a beverage is a highly foreseeable possibility, and while that event isn't the merchant's fault, it would have been a harmless one but for their dangerous purveyance.

And, that lawsuit is the reason I can't get a friggin' hot cup of coffee at a McDonald's drive-thru.

Quoting Airstud (Reply 20):
Furthermore the spilling of a beverage is a highly foreseeable possibility,

And, can not be prevented given current practices.
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Thu May 07, 2015 6:54 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 11):
Hell, after attorney's fees, I suspect he'll only see about 30K. I guess he could just be trying to recoup medical costs...

Surely he'd have decent medical insurance being a police officer, with no co-pays.
 
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Thu May 07, 2015 7:14 am

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 22):

Surely he'd have decent medical insurance being a police officer, with no co-pays.

According to the Raleigh PD website, he gets free medical. Though, if he were in uniform, i.e. on duty at the time, this would qualify as a workplace injury and his health insurance would not be a factor.

I did read that his wife was part of the suit claiming she lost her intimate partner, or some such statement. Still, 50K is a rather small amount.

I think he was hoping for a quick settlement.
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Thu May 07, 2015 2:21 pm

He might be thinking of a quick settlement, but from the company's point, it will just encourage others to do file similar cases in hope of quick settlements. A one time rejection by the court, especially when they have a strong case, can deter others from filing similar cases
 
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Thu May 07, 2015 3:22 pm

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 15):
Who the hell holds cup of hot coffee in between their knees?
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

According to testimony by McDonalds, the coffee was way too hot to begin with. Plus, the car was not in motion and she was not driving. 180F to 190F was, at the time, McDonalds standard and, they admitted, would cause mouth and throat burns.
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Fri May 08, 2015 8:53 pm

An update to this story. Apparently, that dude went home to first take pictures before going to ER!

Cop who sued Starbucks for hot coffee delayed ER

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He immediately returned to the police car, drove to the police garage, picked up his truck, and then drove home.

There, his wife took pictures of the burns on his inner thigh. He wasn't treated at urgent care for more than two hours, a point Starbucks' attorney Tricia Derr used to downplay the urgency of his condition, according to the news report.

Kohr sued Starbucks for at least $50,000, saying he has suffered third-degree burns from the spill. These, he said, aggravated his Crohn's disease and he suffered severe anxiety and sleeplessness. He grew distant from his wife and his medical costs rose, he said.

A 20-year member of the police force, Kohr said he took the photos since he knew he'd have to show his employer, not because he was thinking of a lawsuit.

I am surprised this case wasn't dismissed!
 
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Tue May 12, 2015 2:45 am

The jury ruled Monday that Starbucks was not negligent in a case in which a Raleigh police officer was severely burned when hot coffee spilled in his lap.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/loc...s/wake-county/article20665194.html

[Edited 2015-05-11 19:48:33]
 
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Tue May 12, 2015 2:59 am

Quoting 910A (Reply 27):

The jury ruled Monday that Starbucks was not negligent in a case in which a Raleigh police officer was severely burned when hot coffee spilled in his lap.

Good! A win for common sense! Hopefully, others will stop bringing such lawsuits in future!
 
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RE: Police Officer Sues Starbucks After Free Coffee Sp

Tue May 12, 2015 3:21 am

Quoting blrsea (Reply 28):
Hopefully, others will stop bringing such lawsuits in future!

A bit too hopeful I'm afraid! But glad to see one struck down.

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