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propilot83
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Can FBI Or NSA Shut Down Isis Websites?

Sat May 23, 2015 8:33 pm

You know I was wondering since ISIS those criminals are recruiting fighters from around the world using their websites, cant the
FBI, CIA, or NSA shut down their websites? or is it too difficult for such a task? please share your knowledge about this, thanks.
 
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RE: Can FBI Or NSA Shut Down Isis Websites?

Sat May 23, 2015 9:16 pm

They can but they find it more productive not to. Better to keep them open and use them to try and learn as much as possible about ISIS, its plans and followers. The NSA or CIA have probably hacked into some of them to find out who is accessing them from where.

Besides these web sites aren't advertised on Google. URLs are exchanged in person or by text or Facebook etc... Shut one down today and it'll be back up tomorrow elsewhere. Within a day or two everyone will know about it. Everyone except law enforcement that will have to wait until an informant tells them or the NSA intercepts and reads the right text or the FBI listens in on the right sermon...
 
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RE: Can FBI Or NSA Shut Down Isis Websites?

Sat May 23, 2015 9:30 pm

Quoting propilot83 (Thread starter):
please share your knowledge about this, thanks.

The Internet is basically designed to survive a nuclear strike.

More seriously: Basically you can shut down websites only if the country the physical location of the server is in cooperates. That requires the website to violate local laws and local laws may allow a lot more than one may wish or local law enforcement is creatively incompetent. Look for example at childpon and phishing servers, killing the latter takes 4 hours while the first take a day or two. So, obviously reaction types can be quite flexible.
You can make access to a website more difficult by basically two means I can think of spontaneously:
1. get the DNS servers in your jurisdiction to resolve the domain name into the wrong IP adress, diverting everyone that types www.domaininquestion.terror and presses enter just ends up on another server. Of course there is no way to prevent people from just using a DNS Server outside of said jurisdiction.
2. Announce fake routes. Pick a provider in your jurisdiction that has a high standing image (=trust) and just announce the route to the IP adress in question into your network, many providers will copy that and as a result you don't get to the website in question even if you have the right IP adress.

Both don't work worldwide and both can have unwanted side effects for large parts of the Internet.

And won't help. It is much to easy to set up a darknet website via for example TOR hidden services and it requires a good deal of incompetence on the site of the Admins to track that one down.

Long story short, you can do something, but you will be just as successful as fighting copyright infringement. Effectively no problem for those that are interested to overcome.

Given how stable the extremist websites are, I do have the feeling most are honey pots anyways.

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RE: Can FBI Or NSA Shut Down Isis Websites?

Sun May 24, 2015 4:50 am

Thanks for the info guys, really appreciate it. Yea makes sense, they shut down one site, another rises in its place. I once heard in
high school that no one controls the internet due to its massive endless size.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 1):
They can but they find it more productive not to. Better to keep them open and use them to try and learn as much as possible about ISIS, its plans and followers. The NSA or CIA have probably hacked into some of them to find out who is accessing them from where.

Besides these web sites aren't advertised on Google. URLs are exchanged in person or by text or Facebook etc... Shut one down today and it'll be back up tomorrow elsewhere. Within a day or two everyone will know about it. Everyone except law enforcement that will have to wait until an informant tells them or the NSA intercepts and reads the right text or the FBI listens in on the right sermon...

Nicely answered, thanks.
 
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RE: Can FBI Or NSA Shut Down Isis Websites?

Sun May 24, 2015 4:58 am

They can certainly either shut down, or at least render useless, specific sites. The problem is, it's really easy to set up other sites. Besides, once something is uploaded, (say to youtube), it exists forever...somewhere.

ISIS is damned good at PR. The west seems to be terrible at it, in a hearts and minds sense. If they want to beat, or even match, ISIS on the web, the west must get a whole damned bunch better at it.
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RE: Can FBI Or NSA Shut Down Isis Websites?

Sun May 24, 2015 5:18 am

IIRC some of them groups operate under the deep/dark web.
 
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RE: Can FBI Or NSA Shut Down Isis Websites?

Mon May 25, 2015 10:08 am

A good deal of the recruiting happens through social media (see, for instance, the 3 girls from London), so that would be a good place as any to start removing users and shutting down accounts. If it forces them onto the dark web, so be it, since at least it makes it slightly more challenging for regular jihadis to stumble their way there.

Hell, Facebook even has numerous pages run by people smugglers operating on the Med.

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