|Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 114):|
And this is supposed to be what? An achievement? Something to be proud of? An argument against better gun control? Do you realize how pathetic this sounds?
It's supposed to be a grounding. The anti-rights people here are going around suggesting that the streets of every major city in America are littered with the corpses of civilians. And that just isn't true.
|Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 115):|
Every civilized country agrees that it is the right of the citizen's to react to a constitional crisis (e.g. dictatorship) by force if necessary.
In the US, this reasonable principle has been perverted to the "right" to unlimited ownership and carrying of firearms during peace time without any dictatorship looming, which creates a perpertual crisis rather than averting one.
Perverted? It can't be perverted when it was FIRST to codify those rights and lay down those protections. Before the Revolution, a monarch's rule was essentially arbitrary, as mentioned in this quote from Leviathan:
"I Authorize and give up my Right of Governing my selfe, to this Man, or to his Assembly of men, on this condition, that thou that give up thy Right to him, and Authorise all his Actions in like manner. This done, the Multitude so united in one Person, is called a COMMON-WEALTH, in latine CIVITAS. This is the Generation of that LEVIATHAN, or rather (to speake more reverently) of that Mortall God, to which we owe under the Immortal God, our peace and defence.
(I give you the authority to do whatever you want as the ruler, in exchange for peace and security)
So is it no surprise that the people who had just led a revolution would say "our speech is most important, but if that fails, we have our guns to revolt again?"
Now, as for perpetual crisis, you're again acting as if anyone walking through a standard American city street could be gunned down randomly as easily as they find a nickel on the ground. That just isn't the case.
Let's be blunt here. This is a forum for aviation enthusiasts. You need to pay to contribute. From that we can infer a couple of things: first, that the people here have some form of disposable income, and second that we're somewhat educated. Add in being a member of the ethnic majority in your jurisdiction, and you're pretty much immune from all but the most newsworthy of violent events, or getting struck by lightning.
The numbers that rack up the US homicide rate are not random murders or even bungled burglaries. Here's what the FBI have to say about it:
According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of white victims killed by whites, and 93% of black victims killed by blacks.
and about socioeconomic status:
While there is a correlation between blacks and Hispanics and crime, the data implies a stronger tie between poverty and crime than crime and any racial group, when gender is taken into consideration. The direct correlation between crime and class, when factoring for race alone, is relatively weak. When gender, and familial history are factored, class correlates more strongly with crime than race or ethnicity. Studies indicate that areas with low socioeconomic status may have the greatest correlation of crime with young and adult males, regardless of racial composition, though its effect on females is negligible.
Gang shootings in Chicago and Baltimore bring up the numbers, but don't make life more dangerous for the middle class.
Now, if you have a philosophical argument that a monopoly on defence and force should be held only by the state, I can't argue the philosophies of it with you. I can just say that I deeply disagree, as my life and rights are worth being defended and not left to the grace of anyone else.
And of course it's cultural. It's philosophical. It's societal. It's always the Australian flags, British flags, a few European and Canadian flags arguing how the Americans should be running their domestic policies and denying their citizens natural rights. But the one time I said I wouldn't visit Australia because leaving would necessitate an Orwellian body scan, I was attacked by half a dozen commenters telling me "we don't want you here anyway."
As for an airport? Social contract theory would solve it. "We give you our word to protect you and there are armed guards here, so to enter, you need to relinquish your weapon." No Warren vs. DC allowed.