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Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:36 am

9 confirmed dead at this time.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150617234357-01-charleston-shooting-0617-exlarge-169.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/18/us/cha...olina-shooting/index.html


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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:52 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Thread starter):
Sheesh America, what are we becoming?!

Not just America - remember Norway not so long ago, among others?

The perp is on the run, and sounds like a young skinhead. He deserves to be skinned alive - I just hope he can be taken.

I'm curious (not trying to cause a flame war or anything), but there are many people here who are dead-set against the death penalty. I've been known to be on the fence over the issue myself. But don't events like this make you think that sometimes it is entirely appropriate?
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:56 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
Not just America - remember Norway not so long ago, among others?

Dumb. Night and day. Norway's gun death rate is one tenth that of the USA.
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:56 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
remember Norway not so long ago

Yeah, that happened once in how long?
...and it also had the result of essentially bringing the nation to a halt.

This s#!t happens in the USA essentially every month now, and 99% of us are just going to go about our day like any other tomorrow. Until the next one happens in a few weeks or so.

Come now, let's not pretend like there's REMOTELY NEAR a direct correlation between the frequency and happenstance of gun violence here, versus essentially anywhere else in the First World.



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
there are many people here who are dead-set against the death penalty.

I'm not one of them. They need to bring back the chair. No stupid drugs, just a few flickering light bulbs in adjacent rooms-- problem solved.   
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:57 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
Dumb. Night and day.

Indeed, very.
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:59 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
But don't events like this make you think that sometimes it is entirely appropriate?

Why would it ?

You already have it in 31 states, and murders are, and will continue to be committed in those states, as they are with No death penalty.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:50 am

I think there are currently only two possibilities on why, and it is pure speculation on my part.

Well it is probably one of two things. A white supremacist trying to make a point.
Or an Muslim with ISIS or Al Quesadilla leanings trying to make a point
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:04 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 7):
I think there are currently only two possibilities on why, and it is pure speculation on my part.

There's a third: apparently, the pastor of the church is also a state senator. Could have been someone with a grudge.

My money is on some racist.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:18 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
Not just America - remember Norway not so long ago, among others?

One in the countries entire history, it was one for the record books, go large or go home, but there's only been one, it will probably be decades before the next one, if ever. In the US events like this are so common I don't even know why news outlets bother reporting them, nothings ever going to be done about it, even after the Sandy Hook massacre of little kids you still didn't do anything proactive, there is no hope for the US. I bet you could even have a 69 kid massacre like Utøya and people would claim it wouildn't have happend if the kids were carrying.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 7):
Or an Muslim with ISIS or Al Quesadilla leanings trying to make a point

Or may a crazy athiest, a gay rights activist, or someone with a beef with this particular church, maybe the pastor fiddled with him as a kid. Until they find the guy, we will never know, plus they don't even know who did it. If it was ISIS or muslim terrorists it's a stupid target, just a bunch of black folks in a church in the middle of nowhere, and they haven't made any claims that they did it either.
 
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:24 am

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 9):
even after the Sandy Hook massacre of little kids you still didn't do anything proactive, there is no hope for the US. I

Kiwirob....people that use the sandy hook massacre to promote their political position are essentially molesting them. Please be better than that.

And there where proactive calls to beef up our mental health capabilities but they where shot down.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:25 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 8):
There's a third

Just some crazy, with access to a fire arm. Again
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:29 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):

Just some crazy, with access to a fire arm. Again

The gun didn't do that. He could have killed just as many driving a car through the front door. Blame the person not the inanimate object
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:30 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
And there where proactive calls to beef up our mental health capabilities but they where shot down.

I'm all for locking up the crazies, problem is many people aren't diagnosed or even regarded as crazy until they do a Utøya or Sandy Hook.
 
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:43 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
people that use the sandy hook massacre to promote their political position are essentially molesting them.

That's possibly the single most illogical thing I've ever seen written on these boards... and with a 12yr lurk history, believe me, that's quite a feat.

Saying "American gun crime is getting so out of control, that a bunch of kindergarteners can be gunned down in their classroom and we essentially do nothing about it".... equates to "molesting" the children.

The blatant and overwhelming stupidity in that statement-- it burns!   
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:48 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
The gun didn't do that.


Blame the person not the inanimate object

I did......

I said, " just Some Crazy"...with access to a gun !

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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:04 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
The gun didn't do that. He could have killed just as many driving a car through the front door. Blame the person not the inanimate object

Nah you have to blame the govt for allowing a dangerous object to be freely available to anyone, without so much as license to prove they are capable of operating said object.
 
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:13 am

I guess God must be pro-gun, then?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
Not just America - remember Norway not so long ago, among others?

Gun massacres in Europe by individuals (as opposed to terrorist attacks) can be counted on the fingers of one hand. You suck at deflective comparisons.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 3):
I'm not one of them. They need to bring back the chair. No stupid drugs, just a few flickering light bulbs in adjacent rooms-- problem solved.

Which problem? The death penalty has never deterred murder. Ever. It's just state-sponsored revenge killing.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
The gun didn't do that.

Signed,
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:36 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
Which problem?

That individual's existence.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
The death penalty has never deterred murder

Never claimed that it did, that's your insertion.
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:37 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
The answer is clearly that more guns are needed.

Since, it appears we're going that way anyway:

If someone inside the church had a gun, could the outcome have been different?

*****I don't know that anyone else did not have a firearm; just speculation on my part.*****

By the way: I looked it up, in South Carolina, unless authorized by a church official, it is illegal to bring a gun into a church

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Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:15 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 18):
Never claimed that it did

OK. So you're happy with state-sponsored revenge killings?
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:27 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 20):
So you're happy with state-sponsored revenge killings?

Yep. Think there should be a whole lot more too.
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:28 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
But don't events like this make you think that sometimes it is entirely appropriate?

No, because violence begets violence. Didn't Jesus say "turn the other cheek" ?
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:36 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 22):
No, because violence begets violence.

So, you think an execution by the state, after due process has been followed causes more violence in the street?
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:12 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 23):
So, you think an execution by the state, after due process has been followed causes more violence in the street?

If the state uses premeditated killing (murder) to pursue its interests, the state legitimises murder. In other words: if "the man" says that it can be OK to kill someone else, who is a criminal to disagree?
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:21 am

Quoting aloges (Reply 24):
If the state uses premeditated killing (murder) to pursue its interests, the state legitimises murder. In other words: if "the man" says that it can be OK to kill someone else, who is a criminal to disagree?

Death sentence isn't murder, it's simply a way of getting rid of the worst and most dangerous criminals out there in a way that will permanently prevent them from harming anyone ever again.

Also, with same logic do you think the state legitimizes imprisonment of random individuals by other individuals when it punishes criminals by imprisoning them?
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:47 am

Quoting aloges (Reply 24):
(murder)

But, it's not murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being. Killing after due process is an execution.

Language is important and words have meaning.

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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:21 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 23):
So, you think an execution by the state, after due process has been followed causes more violence in the street?

You do that already, and has it stopped murders.... No !

Quoting pvjin (Reply 25):
Death sentence isn't murder,

BS

Quoting pvjin (Reply 25):
Also, with same logic do you think the state legitimizes imprisonment of random individuals by other individuals when it punishes criminals by imprisoning them?

Can't you see the difference between murder and imprisonment.
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:29 am

Quoting pvjin (Reply 25):
Death sentence isn't murder
Quoting pvjin (Reply 25):
But, it's not murder.

Oh yes, it is. It's the premeditated, organised killing of another human being for no other reason than revenge. You can keep society safe from criminals as well as punish them through incarceration and you can try and reduce crime by e.g. improving people's living conditions. There's no other reason for state-sponsored murder (the "death penalty") than getting revenge.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 26):
Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being.

Just because they've legalised it doesn't mean it's not murder.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 26):
Language is important and words have meaning.

Oh, really?  
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:05 pm

Seems like God didn't provide these people protection...or that "he works in mysterious ways"...  

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
But don't events like this make you think that sometimes it is entirely appropriate?

Better idea...why not be a bit more merciful with life but less with the body? Convicted 100% of murder (as in, no doubt and DNA convicts you)? Let's amputate your hand. Your rights are restricted; you're no longer eligible for essential services; you can't vote; you're essentially nothing...a true second class citizen.

Or...you know, the Desert Compound idea is still an option. Throw him in knowing that once you're in, you can never go out.
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:08 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 28):
Oh yes, it is. It's the premeditated, organised killing of another human being for no other reason than revenge. You can keep society safe from criminals as well as punish them through incarceration and you can try and reduce crime by e.g. improving people's living conditions. There's no other reason for state-sponsored murder (the "death penalty") than getting revenge.

What's wrong with revenge? I think Hammurabi's law was the very perfection of justice when it comes to punishing people who have committed murder. Eye for an eye gets rid of the bad apples.
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:26 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 26):
But, it's not murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being. Killing after due process is an execution.

Manmade definitions.
 
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:39 pm

Quoting na (Reply 31):
Manmade definitions.

Your point being?

Man made definitions applied to man made law.

Quoting aloges (Reply 28):
Just because they've legalised it doesn't mean it's not murder.

No, it means exactly that. Since it is legal, it is not murder.

Quoting aloges (Reply 28):
Oh, really?

Yes, really. Stop co-opting the language for your own motives.

Back to this guy. Just heard on the radio that he spent about an hour with this Bible study group or at least in the same area with them before the shooting started.

I suspect he'll be found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. I hope he mucks that up and bleeds out.
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:44 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 30):
Eye for an eye gets rid of the bad apples.

That 'old Testament' thinking just leads to a World full of blind people.
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:47 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
The perp is on the run, and sounds like a young skinhead.
Quoting L-188 (Reply 7):


I think there are currently only two possibilities on why, and it is pure speculation on my part.

Well it is probably one of two things. A white supremacist trying to make a point.
Or an Muslim with ISIS or Al Quesadilla leanings trying to make a point

The young skinhead type makes me think more the former than the latter. It was also the 193rd anniversary (almost to the day) of the aborted Denmark Vesey slave revolt in Charleston and the exact anniversary of when the conspirators began to be arrested. Vesey was one of the founders of Emanuel AME Church and was hanged for his role in the conspiracy.

Also here's a photo of the alleged shooter, Dylann Roof, from his FB page. Note the flags on his jacket - top one is clearly an Apartheid-era South African flag - anybody know the flag below it offhand?

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11167962_111398835859264_82145487461570196_n.jpg?oh=b03a704ef6f9d6f393dfc29b29c467b9&oe=55E7355B

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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:16 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 34):
anybody know the flag below it offhand?

It looks to be the Flag of Rhodesia.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:20 pm

Quoting 910A (Reply 35):

It looks to be the Flag of Rhodesia.

Right you are. So, I think that says a good deal - flags of two racist/white supremacist governments. Yup, sounds more and more like white supremacist looking to "celebrate" the Vesey Rebellion and/or the 150th anniversary of the end of the Civil War in his own special way.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:21 pm

"Quoting fr8mech (Reply 26):
Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being.

Just because they've legalised it doesn't mean it's not murder."

It does actually. Murder is (in UK and therefore most common law jurisdictions, and paraphrased in almost every other, including Germany) the UNLAWFUL killing of a human being.

A state imposed killing after a fair trail and allowed for in law as the sentence, clearly isn't unlawful

It may well be something you don't agree with, and that simply makes it something you don't agree with, not unlawful. The 2 things are entirely different.
 
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:39 pm

Just now seeing what survivors have said Roof said:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...-sat-hour-attack-article-1.2262222

Just before the gunman started shooting, Roof he told the congregation, “You have to go,” witnesses told Sylvia Johnson, Pinckney’s cousin.

“He just said ‘I have to do it.’ He said, ‘You rape our women, and you’re taking over our country,’” she said on MSNBC, recounting what survivors told her.


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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:47 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 38):

Just now seeing what survivors have said Roof said:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...62222

I see a jail booking photograph in the article, and no one has stated what he was in jail for when the picture was taken?

Seeing that he left some survivors to tell his story; my professional opinion is that the suspect will be found dead by a self inflicted gun shot.

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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:51 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 23):
So, you think an execution by the state, after due process has been followed causes more violence in the street?

Yes I do. It's another sign of a violent society.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:51 pm

Sky News in the UK is reporting that

1. He has previous
2. He was bought the gun as a birthday present.

You have to wonder at a number of things here, but seriously, do you really think your founding fathers had this in mind in their writing of the US constitution?

Do you really think that a vague outdated idea or fear of Government is worth the number of people killed hiding behind that 'freedom'?
 
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:53 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
The gun didn't do that. He could have killed just as many driving a car through the front door. Blame the person not the inanimate object

Agreed. Never underestimate a fool with a cause. Or most likely in this case a psychotic fool with a cause.
 
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:55 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 40):
Yes I do. It's another sign of a violent society.

Yes, it's a sign, not a cause. When a society is already violent people are more likely to support harsher sentences, including death sentence.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:55 pm

Quoting 910A (Reply 39):

I see a jail booking photograph in the article, and no one has stated what he was in jail for when the picture was taken?

From local news coverage, his priors were drug related.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:57 pm

Quoting bjcc (Reply 41):
founding fathers had this in mind in their writing of the US constitution?

No this isn't what the founding fathers had in mind when the constitution was written.
Here is an interesting piece written by a former member of the United States Supreme Court.
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:58 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
I'm curious (not trying to cause a flame war or anything), but there are many people here who are dead-set against the death penalty. I've been known to be on the fence over the issue myself. But don't events like this make you think that sometimes it is entirely appropriate?

Here is the issues I have with the death penalty.

Cost, because of appeals and other things the cost to the state is far greater to execute someone than to lock them up for life without the chance for parole.

The emotional charge that comes with the eye for an eye mentality, we are supposed to be better than that. Also it isn't a deterrent and personally I would rather the death penalty over live in prison.

Finally if even one person is put to death that isn't guilty then that is a failure of the state's justice system.

I would say putting this guy in solitary would be a much better punishment than killing him. He has to live with his actions for the rest of his life and that is a punishment worse that death IMO. If you look at Tsarnev he wanted it so we should have put him in solitary to really make him pay.

Intersting fact, I heard on Bill Maher last week that they are making solitary cells out of rubber to prevent people in it to kill themselves. If the cell is made out of concrete it is possible.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 25):
Death sentence isn't murder, it's simply a way of getting rid of the worst and most dangerous criminals out there in a way that will permanently prevent them from harming anyone ever again.

We can do that without killing murderers, lock them up for life without the chance of parole.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
Kiwirob....people that use the sandy hook massacre to promote their political position are essentially molesting them. Please be better than that.

And there where proactive calls to beef up our mental health capabilities but they where shot down.

You are a proud gun owner,.Would you be open to a complete psychological evaluation like a pilot would go through in order to be able to buy your guns regardless if it is from a dealer or a private sale or is that against the 2nd amendment.

For mental health checks to be effective in making sure guns stay out of the wrong hands then it has to be applied to everyone and sellers have to due their due diligence on who they sell to.
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:02 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
The gun didn't do that. He could have killed just as many driving a car through the front door. Blame the person not the inanimate object

The clue phone is ringing..will you answer it? look at all denominators worldwide and identify the one single difference between this country and all other rich, industrialized countries (unless you're happy measuring the US up to Somalia). Guns and the utterly shameful way in which they are distributed and sold by the millions are the difference...the one, only, and single difference. It's guns chief.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 19):
If someone inside the church had a gun, could the outcome have been different?

Sorry bro, the NRA beat you to the punch as the bodies were still being carried out on stretchers:

Wayne LaPierre today called for every house of worship in the nation to hand out semi-automatic weapons before the start of service, including to young children, so that they'd be able to defend themselves according to the Gospel of Matthew, 7:16. The NRA President went on to advocate for the installation of anti-aircraft guns at every pulpit, giving men of God the ability to enforce His will at a moment's notice.

Ahh, days like this remind one that the level of jack-assery might be too enormous in this country.
 
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:02 pm

The next few hours will be interesting to watch. Hoping no backlash from the (black) or more PC African American community against white people, it usually happens.
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:12 pm

"No this isn't what the founding fathers had in mind when the constitution was written. "

No, thats what I thought. In fact it's what every right minded and sensible human being would think! Worryingly, it seems many of your Countrymen don't fall into those categories!

Its worrying that you kill 30,000 of your own every year on the basis of a badly written part of a constitution, simply because it's badly written.



"Here is an interesting piece written by a former member of the United States Supreme Court."

Yes, it is interesting, but ultimately yet another paper or article that will be ignored in the face of a self interest group, not in the interests of keeping people alive.
 
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RE: Church Shoot-out In South Carolina

Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:15 pm

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 46):
Would you be open to a complete psychological evaluation like a pilot would go through in order to be able to buy your guns regardless if it is from a dealer or a private sale or is that against the 2nd amendment.

What "complete psychological evaluation" like a pilot would go through? There is no such thing in the United States.

Quoting bjcc (Reply 41):
You have to wonder at a number of things here, but seriously, do you really think your founding fathers had this in mind in their writing of the US constitution?

If he had a prior drug charge, it's likely that he wasn't able to legally posses a firearm. So go after whoever gave him the gun, they're just as responsible here.

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