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Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:28 pm

Hey a.netter(this thread is not meant to offend people)

I have seen mostly threads only about US aviation (90% of the page is solely on domestic american aviation) and not so many threads on aviation worldwide. I have also noticed that there are less foreigners on the site. What are your thoughts on this?
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:49 pm

Quoting Lesfalls (Thread starter):

Well, few days ago we had an American poster rudely attacking an European poster for using and expression considered racist in the USA and calling him names. So what do you think?
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:48 pm

Quoting Lesfalls (Thread starter):
I have seen mostly threads only about US aviation (90% of the page is solely on domestic american aviation) and not so many threads on aviation worldwide.

I'm not sure it is 90%.

On the front page right now there is:

"Australian Aviation"
"New TAP Portugal"
"Malaysia Airlines Exits Brisbane"
"Emirates is Considering A330NEO"
"Turkish Aviation"
"TK Planning to Launch MEL and SYD flights"
"New Zealand Aviation Thread"
"CZ Commences A380 Service to Europe"

And on and on. That's just from the top half.
 
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:00 am

Many of us are American, so naturally we are more familiar with news and developments within our own country.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 2):
On the front page right now there is:

"Australian Aviation"
"New TAP Portugal"
"Malaysia Airlines Exits Brisbane"
"Emirates is Considering A330NEO"
"Turkish Aviation"
"TK Planning to Launch MEL and SYD flights"
"New Zealand Aviation Thread"
"CZ Commences A380 Service to Europe"

However, as threeifbyair pointed out, there seems to be a good amount of topics regarding aviation outside the United States.
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:04 am

Well, the forum is in English, so that in and of itself narrows the participation.
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:17 am

Quoting Lesfalls (Thread starter):
I have seen mostly threads only about US aviation

Well, with most members being American or American based, what do you expect?

Quoting Lesfalls (Thread starter):
I have also noticed that there are less foreigners on the site.

As mentioned, the language restriction is limiting in itself.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 1):
Well, few days ago we had an American poster rudely attacking an European poster for using and expression considered racist in the USA

I do see that a lot, and it seems to get excused around here.

How many people casually throw epithets like "Yanks" or "Yankees" at USAmericans? It's disgusting the double-standard.

Pretty sure if anyone called a Vietnamese member a G*-word, or an African member an N*-word, they'd be banned.
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:37 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 5):
"Yankees"

Maybe they're from the southeastern US?   
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:42 am

It is an American website so.....

As has been stated, the use of English as the language of the site does keep others from posting. There is a Romanian aviation site that I like but I don't post because my Romanian is not that great.

There are hundreds of other aviation websites in various languages that others can use.

And I agree with LAX772LR, Americans take a lot of heat from others on this site and the mods do not get involved or just look the other way. I also agree that the term "Yankee" is used as an insult on this forum.
 
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:43 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 5):
How many people casually throw epithets like "Yanks" or "Yankees" at USAmericans? It's disgusting the double-standard.

Pretty sure if anyone called a Vietnamese member a G*-word, or an African member an N*-word, they'd be banned

Are you really comparing the those and saying they're equally offensive? Yanks, Yankees, etc. while originally derogatory terms used by the British, have been adopted by us and used in such a way that they are no longer offensive. The most popular baseball team in the world is called the Yankees and nobody has a problem with it, in fact people identify them as "America's Team" in large part because of the name. G**k and N****r are derogatory and offensive because they were/are used to perpetuate racism and cast other people as inferior and sub-human in a way "Yankee" never was. "Yankee" is a term that was used by white people to describe other white people, its similar to calling Confederate soldiers "Rebels." Conflating Yankee with G**k and N****r discounts the manner in which the latter two words have been used to rationalize violence and discrimination against other races of people.
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:55 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 5):
How many people casually throw epithets like "Yanks" or "Yankees" at USAmericans? It's disgusting the double-standard.

I've never been offended - nor seen anyone else be offended - by being called a Yankee.

Unless you're talking about the New York Yankees. Then that's about the most offensive thing you could say to me.   
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:02 am

Yankee is offensive? Not in the context used by non Americans.

You know the difference between a Yankee and a damn Yankee? A Yankee comes to visit and a damn Yankee stays.
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:14 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 9):

I thought its a white only thing, arent you Asian origin?
 
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:22 am

There aren't going to be enough non-American, English-using members to keep this forum going at this size, and why should it be a bad thing?
 
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:05 am

A number of factors contribute to the make up of contributions.
● A US-based site
● English as the "approved" language - people who are more comfortable speaking another language are more likely to contribute to a forum that uses that language.
● the existence of country specific threads (like Australian Aviation) where all matters related to that country are discussed instead of dozens of seperate threads.
● the US, despite growth in aviation elsewhere, remains a major force. For example, the World Bank reported that in 2013 in the US there were 743,096,000 passengers. Second was China with 352,795,296. Third was another English-speaking country, the United Kingdom with 118,304,674.
● the US is a major producer of aircraft and parts and not just because of Boeing.
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:07 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 11):
I thought its a white only thing, arent you Asian origin?

Ethnically yes. But culturally, I'm about as white as they come.

Wait, can I say that? I'm confused.

At least I haven't lightened my skin, though.

Anyway, "Yankee" certainly isn't an ethnic/racial slur.
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:21 am

I agree, it is a US site, but it would be a less interesting site without the contributions from other countries. They give us a window on how we are perceived by others. I find that interesting. I myself do not take serious offense at remarks by anyone. I realize some do not like others, but in the spirit of free speech and discussion, I do not take it personally. Do I enjoy insults? No, I do not, but I pride myself on being mature enough to never ask for a deletion, or to insult someone personally. I am sure I have, but not with malice aforethought. Easy for me to say.   
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:26 am

Quoting adipasquale (Reply 8):
Are you really comparing the those and saying they're equally offensive?

Yes

Quoting adipasquale (Reply 8):
have been adopted by us

Who's "us?"

Quoting adipasquale (Reply 8):
and used in such a way that they are no longer offensive.

Says who?

Quoting adipasquale (Reply 8):
"Yankee" never was.

You've apparently not spent much time among Deep Southerners....
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:29 am

As a German speaker since birth (well, since about 2-3 years after birth) I see this forum as a welcome opportunity to hone my English. And as the accidents of AF447 and Germanwings show, there are many helpful people translating key information into English in order to keep the discussion going.

I do not think a.nut is US-centered. In my (subjective) experience, there is a lively German and French community active here. If there is a significant general aviation accident in Switzerland (like the one in the village of Tatroz with 6 dead), it garners response from US-based a.netters.


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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:47 am

The United States is the largest aviation hub of the world, the biggest airlines, most flights, etc.. Its only natural for just that reason alone. Plus the other even bigger reasons, more American members than non-American, English language etc.. That being said, I see plenty of other countries posting, whether Europe the Middle East or China, I find Anet to be a very international site for being one that was started and based in the U.S.
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:48 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 16):
Says who?

Who says "Yankee" IS offensive?

Aside from some Deep Southerners who may intend it that way....
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:58 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 19):
Who says "Yankee" IS offensive?

People who despise get called that shit, when they're not.

Quoting flymia (Reply 18):
The United States is the largest aviation hub of the world, the biggest airlines, most flights, etc.. Its only natural for just that reason alone.

  

Quoting flymia (Reply 18):
I find Anet to be a very international site

It's helped with my travel planning.

I'd never heard of Macao, Koh Phi Phi, or St. Maarten before viewing this site.... now been to all three, and they've been some of the best trips I could've ever imagined.

Quoting flymia (Reply 18):
for being one that was started and based in the U.S.

Wasn't this site actually started in Sweden?
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:03 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 20):
Quoting flymia (Reply 18):
for being one that was started and based in the U.S.

Wasn't this site actually started in Sweden?

Yes, I was going to mention that. The site hasn't changed much since the Swedish founder sold it to the current U.S. owner.
 
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Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:23 am

I find the Civil Aviation board to be relatively balanced, the Non-Av board not so much....

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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:00 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 5):
How many people casually throw epithets like "Yanks" or "Yankees" at USAmericans? It's disgusting the double-standard.

"Yank/Yankee" is offensive???? I consider it a term of endearment, the equivalent of "Aussie". After all you ALL come from the North so what else would you expect to be called? (See, it ALL depends on your perspective!)

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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:02 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 23):
"Yank/Yankee" is offensive??

Yes, to plenty. Educate yourself.


Quoting gemuser (Reply 23):
After all you ALL come from the North

The heck are you talking about?
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:39 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 24):
Yes, to plenty. Educate yourself.

Got news for you....

This term is used widely in Australia when discussing Americans and American culture. And it will continue to be used.

I had this argument with somebody yesterday in the non-Av about the word Negro. I got whacked around the head by several people telling me it was offensive and racist, and if I called a black person that to this face, Id be pretty much punched out, of all things.

I decided to Google it and low and behold, its actually included in the US census !

Cant be too racist or offensive then can it ?

So I guess with a lot of these things, its very much an individual opinion, not something that is considered rude by the majority of people.

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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:45 am

While I do not find it offensive, calling an American a yank might be close to calling an Australian a bogan. But too LAX772LR's point

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yankees

The characteristics often associated with a stereotypical Yankee are shrewdness, thrift, craftiness, rudeness, arrogance, and loudness.

To me, a Yankee (or Yank) is defination #2.
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:16 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 20):
People who despise get called that shit, when they're not.

So you mean, Deep Southerners, who would call northerners Yankees, but would despise to be called one?

I'm still confused. I've never met a single northerner who took any offense to it.

Hell, "Yankee Doodle" is Connecticut's state song.
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:16 am

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 22):
I find the Civil Aviation board to be relatively balanced, the Non-Av board not so much....

The Non-an forum is too middle-easternized in my opnion.
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Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:24 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 25):
This term is used widely in Australia when discussing Americans and American culture

And THAT makes it okay? lol

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 25):
Cant be too racist or offensive then can it ?

Ummmm, yeah.   

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 27):
So you mean, Deep Southerners, who would call northerners Yankees, but would despise to be called one?

They often call northerners all sorts of other words that shouldn't be mentioned in polite company either  

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 27):
Hell, "Yankee Doodle" is Connecticut's state song.

And S.Carolina still thinks it's cool to fly the Rebel flag on their statehouse... what's your point: that because a state does it, it must be in good taste? Hmmm.
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:33 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 18):
I find Anet to be a very international site for being one that was started and based in the U.S.

Sweden actually.

As for the Yankee being offensive, if you're flying around in a light a/c, would you pronounce your a/c reg as Golf - Bravo Yankee Yankee Alpha?? Then you've got the New York Yankees. Can't be that offensive, nowhere near as offensive as Americans saying Edinburgh is in England for example   
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Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:40 am

Given the fact that most of the Japanese airplane geeks here can't speak english, there shouldn't be a surprise that the majority of the Japan flag members (such as myself) are foreign. I think it's primarily due to language that Anet is "americanized"
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:50 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 1):
Well, few days ago we had an American poster rudely attacking an European poster for using and expression considered racist in the USA and calling him names.

Is negro a racist term? Even Martin Luther King referred to himself as a negro.
 
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:19 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 32):
Is negro a racist term? Even Martin Luther King referred to himself as a negro.

You just need to look at the rap scene in the US and it's seemingly ok for them to use the N word
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:40 am

Criticize Boeing as a non American in any way and see how fast you get a warning from the mods. There's your answer OP.
 
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:52 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 27):

When I lived in Dallas, TX I would hear people occasionally refer to people from the East Coast as "Yankees". When
used in that context I thought it was offensive and immature to refer to a fellow citizen in that manner. I now live in the
Fort Lauderdale area and have yet to hear the word "Yankee".
 
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:55 am

Interesting discussion about "Yankee".

I recall earlier discussion in another thread about the use of the expression "watermelon". In the US this term is deemed racist, but in the context of the original thread it was not. Why? Because it was used to define a political position in Europe - environmentalist (green) on the outside but socialist (red) on the inside.

This is the problem of assuming everyone is usung the same language and choosing to take offence where none is intended.
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:22 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 1):
Well, few days ago we had an American poster rudely attacking an European poster for using and expression considered racist in the USA and calling him names. So what do you think?

Noticed how gun related threads get closed? Some pro-gun people offensive from the start, no problem, thread remains open. But as soon as a "gun grabber" loses his cool, its along the lines of "this thread turned into the usual US bashing" or so and it is locked.
Moderators are part of their culture too. I am a moderator in an German aviation forum, and our tolerance for racist commends is some orders or magnitude lower than here. Different culture, not really anyone to blame, but when users get the feeling moderation is biased against their views/home country/whatever, people just will opt out.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 24):
Yes, to plenty. Educate yourself.

Well, so is "Krauts" for us Germans, yet we are often referred to as such. But i don´t get my panties twisted about it, unless it is clearly meant to be offensive.
Just like the really bad n-word for me only is a bad word because i have been told it is. My connotation with that word is:

Because when i was a kid, that was called a "Neger"kuss, just about my favorite candy as a kid. PC got here too...

Better get used to "Yankee", it just rolls of the tongue much easier than US citizens and many people take offense if you refer to those as Americans, mostly by those Americans that don´t live in the US. "Yankee" has been used for all US citizens since about 1784, when this guy referred to all of you by the term.


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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:38 am

Quoting Lesfalls (Thread starter):
Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Correction: Americanised   
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:43 am

And what flag a person "flies" on this website is hardly accurate at all. Some people use it to indicate their location, some people use it to indicate their ethnic origin, and some people use it as a joke and use it like they were Carmen Miranda.
 
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:56 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 29):

And THAT makes it okay? lol

Since you appear a tad sensitive, question for ya: do you use the word "jerry can"??

I am referred to as "Gringo" where I live.
Should I be offended? That stands for American.....I think.

With regards to the site being too much about America:

There is a definitive US majority, but still enough international discussions.....in my taste.

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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:10 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 37):
Just like the really bad n-word for me only is a bad word because i have been told it is. My connotation with that word is:

Lots of Norwegians still refer to black people as neger, it's also common in Sweden and Denmark. It isn't intended as an insult, even if it's perceived as one by Americans.

I'm completely fine with being called a kiwi, I don't think there is a derogatory term for a New Zealander, if there was I'm sure the Aussies would have come up with it.
 
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Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:15 am

I see it as a US based site, that originated in Sweden. It was an international website that came out of that country, when I was on here in the 00's.

There are not 'less foreigners' on here, the way I see it, there are no 'foreigners' on here, as this is an international website, for everyone, regardless of where it started and where it now resides.

There are more US members than other countries represented here. These reasons were discussed in another thread some months ago. The reason you see a lot about US aviation, may be that you are just not noticing the other threads, there are a lot of non-US threads on here, I am sure it is more than the remaining 10%..

I agree, English is the language used in A.net, and as one member mentioned, this has the advantage of non-English speaking members being able to use English on the site. English is the international language of civil aviation, and that language originated in its modern form from the UK, not the US.   

  

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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:01 am

Quoting Lesfalls (Thread starter):
I have seen mostly threads only about US aviation (90% of the page is solely on domestic american aviation) and not so many threads on aviation worldwide. I have also noticed that there are less foreigners on the site. What are your thoughts on this?

I've just had a quick look at the civ av list, and there's probably only one thread in the top 20 regarding PIT that could be considered as solely regarding US domestic aviation, even a thread regarding DL is about unfair competition from the ME3. The other DL is about them pulling out of routes to LHR and transferring the flight to VS, once again not domestic.

Most carriers cross International borders, even US ones, even if they don't their equipment is often non US.

As others have said, the non av area is more American bases, but there's no reason why others cannot contribute, apart of course the gun threads where you need a thick skin to do so !!!


In regard to the Yankee word, surely that's a phrase of its time, which has at least in the UK now passed. To my father US citizens were "Yanks" he however was a teenager in 1942 when the USAAF arrived at Bassingbourn just over the hill from where he lived. Until then people from 20 miles away were foreigners.

Yank was probably one of the less controversial names given to the visiting forces !!! Others included GI (Government Issue) and Over (oversexed, overpaid and over here)
 
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:05 am

I think it's quite balanced, if you use the global aviation market as the "natural distribution". The US is a little overrepresented, but then again it's still the world's largest aviation market. East Asia is grossly underrepresented, likely due to the language barrier. Germany slightly overrepresented.

The forum culture is also better than in used to be, when the forum (non-av) especially had fallen into the hands of a mostly US-based right-wing bully club. Since they've all been shown the door (some five years ago?) discussion culture has improved, but non-av has become a little less fun in the process.

The actual threat to a.net isn't its US-centricity, but the fact that the site has stopped innovating and is dying a very slow and prolonged death. Since DM has taken over, the site has retained an early-Noughties look-and-feel. With DM only interested in milking out what little value is left in the site, I think it's a question of time before other sites, or indeed other technological venues, take the torch and a.net will become a memory of the internet's early days.
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:19 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 41):
I'm completely fine with being called a kiwi, I don't think there is a derogatory term for a New Zealander, if there was I'm sure the Aussies would have come up with it.

I see and use the term kiwi as a term of endearment. I used it all through my trip report.   

I don't mind the term Aussie, but I don't go much on the loud Aussie (repeat, repeat), Oi! (repeat, repeat), but I just turn away from it, but it's not too bad.

Sorry, slightly off-topic..

[Edited 2015-06-25 03:43:14]
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:55 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 37):
Because when i was a kid, that was called a "Neger"kuss, just about my favorite candy as a kid. PC got here too...

I never liked them... but they are still called "Mohrenkopf" ("blackamoor's head") here, and my hometown has still an important family-run production site that almost eclusively makes such Mohrenköpfe.


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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:39 am

I think there's enough international presence on here that we can consider the site to be reasonably fair in terms of which country gets most coverage, the USA is always going to have the majority of users on here. But then plenty of people discuss international aviation affairs and domestic affairs for each country. Australia and Ireland come to mind.

As for the offensive names thing: Yank/Yankee to me is not terribly offensive. There's plenty of those words flying about: Limeys, Jocks, Frogs, Clogs, Krauts, Daygos, Eyeties, Ruskies. I don't think they're that offensive, there's a whole other class of racist and derogatory words that are far more unsavoury. Maybe it's because I wasn't born here (in the UK) or that I don't have as big a connection, but if someone called me a Limey I wouldn't care much.
 
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:56 pm

Quoting VapourTrails (Reply 45):
Aussie

Serious off topic question..

Do Australians drive like more like USA/Canada or UK?

UK is keep left, right to overtake and the US is everyone does what they want.
 
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RE: Airliners.net:Too Americanized

Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:25 pm

Quoting mad99 (Reply 48):
Do Australians drive like more like USA/Canada or UK?

UK is keep left, right to overtake and the US is everyone does what they want.

Australia drives on the left, as do many former British colonies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-_...s_driving_on_the_left_or_right.svg

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