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Oasis Of The Seas 2, Could It Happen?

Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:47 am

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In today's time, we have 2 land mark passenger ships, the regal ocean liner RMS Queen Mary 2, and the lead ship of the ultra size Oasis class cruise ships, the Oasis of The Seas. Now the original RMS Queen Mary, was a very land mark ship, she was the last pre WW2 Blue Ribband winner, and the only one still afloat. Now the QM1, never had a chance to be the worlds largest passenger ship, thank to CGT putting an extra deck on the SS Normandie, so they could keep to title. Now let's look decedes down the line, can a new land mark cruise ship in size, be name Oasis of The Seas 2?
 
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas 2, Could It Happen?

Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:23 pm

I doubt it, when it comes to cruise ships they really don't have the cache of the old liners, using the name QM2 was a simple marketing tool to draw in the Cunard faithful and reach out to those who can remember the good days of the ocean liners.
 
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas 2, Could It Happen?

Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:59 pm

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 1):
and reach out to those who can remember the good days of the ocean liners.

The good days of ocean going ships is right now. They are always getting better and better.
 
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas 2, Could It Happen?

Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:48 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
Now let's look decedes down the line, can a new land mark cruise ship in size, be name Oasis of The Seas 2?

There IS an Oasis of the Seas 2...it's called Allure of the Seas (50mm longer). There is also an Oasis of the Seas 3 called Harmony of the Seas (under construction and will be slightly longer) and a 4th already in the making as well.

Like jetwet1 said, I haven't seen cruise lines recycle names with a 2 added to it. That's why the classes center around a theme and all ship names which are pretty much copies have a different name.

Take RCI's Voyager class with five ships for example. They all could be called Voyager 1-5, yet each one has a different name: Voyager, Explorer, Adventure, Navigator, and Mariner of the Seas.

Heck, even the White Star Line recycled names without adding the 2. The famous HMHS Britannic, sunk in 1916, was again reused on a smaller ship launched in 1929 (MV Britannic) and it itself was a reuse of a ship from the 1870s (SS Britannic).
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas 2, Could It Happen?

Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:17 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 3):

Like jetwet1 said, I haven't seen cruise lines recycle names with a 2 added to it. That's
why the classes center around a theme and all ship names which are pretty much copies
have a different name.

I have, Mein Schiff's ships are named Mein Schiff 1,2,3 & 4.

1-2 are sister ships and 3-4 are sister ships. Although 1 & 2 originally had different name while 3 & 4 are newbuilds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Schiff

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RE: Oasis Of The Seas 2, Could It Happen?

Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:08 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
Now let's look decedes down the line, can a new land mark cruise ship in size, be name Oasis of The Seas 2?

Oasis class vessels 3 & 4 exceed the prior ships in the class by 2.15 meters length, 5.5 meters width, and 2,418 GT.
 
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas 2, Could It Happen?

Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:17 pm

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 4):
I have, Mein Schiff's ships are named Mein Schiff 1,2,3 & 4.

That's different. What we're talking about here is imagine if Celebrity Cruises had the Galaxy and Mercury in operation and after transferring both to Mein Schiff, introduced either replicas or new ships and gave them the names Galaxy 2 and Mercury 2.
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas 2, Could It Happen?

Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:39 pm

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 4):
I have, Mein Schiff's ships are named Mein Schiff 1,2,

A bit OT but Mein Schiff 1 and 2 are leaving the German branding and going to Thomson Cruises in 2017/18. I guess they will be My Ship 1 and 2  
 
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas 2, Could It Happen?

Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:44 pm

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 2):
The good days of ocean going ships is right now. They are always getting better and better.

With very few exceptions, those are cruise ships, not ocean liners.
 
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas 2, Could It Happen?

Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:09 am

I don't believe that there is benefit of an "Oasis of the Seas 2" as by the time it it the initial design stage the Oasis of the Seas 1 will be just another large ship. If there was to be only 1 or 2 mega ships it might work, but not any more.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:16 am

While I am thinking about it, Renaissance Cruises had the R series of ships, R1-8 were pretty much identical.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:27 pm

Royal isn't so keen on recycling ship names as Cunard seems to be. The only instance of even coming close was the use of the word "Serenade." Viking Serenade was in service with RCI from 1990 until 2002 and after she was transferred to Island Cruises (now part of Thomson Cruises where she's the Island Escape), Royal commissioned the Radiance class Serenade of the Seas in 2003. Beyond that though, Royal hasn't reused any of the names (or portions of the names) of any of their retired ships:

Song of Norway
Nordic Prince
Sun Viking
Song of America
Viking Serenade
Nordic Empress/Empress of the Seas
Sovereign of the Seas
Monarch of the Seas
Splendour of the Seas (soon, anyway...Splendour will go to Thomson Cruises to replace Island Escape)

Consider, for instance, that Sovereign of the Seas was really the first modern megaship and was the largest passenger ship in the world for 7 years (until Sun Princess). She's been out of service for 7 years now and in that period Royal has brought Oasis, Allure, Quantum and Anthem into service while announcing the names of Ovation and Harmony. If any ship would be ripe to get the reused name treatment, it'd be Sovereign but it hasn't happened.
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas 2, Could It Happen?

Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:31 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 11):
Beyond that though, Royal hasn't reused any of the names (or portions of the names) of any of their retired ships:

I think that is because they dont see it as fitting with their new product.
 
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas 2, Could It Happen?

Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:51 pm

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 8):
With very few exceptions, those are cruise ships, not ocean liners.

There is one ship that could be considered an ocean liner in service: RMS Queen Mary 2. That is the only ship purpose-designed with the heavier construction for regular passenger crossings of the Atlantic.

And with good reason: the design of an ocean liner requires heavier (read, more expensive) construction, more powerful (read, more consumptive) engines, and a number of design concessions that sacrifice passenger luxuries (like open promenade decks and passenger balconies near the waterline) for stability and safety in sea conditions no cruise ship is designed to handle. For example, QM2 doesn't have the wide open-deck swimming pools on the top decks that cruise ships have because that would compromise stability. Furthermore, that kind of design isn't very useful when you're crossing the North Atlantic.

Ocean liners were never meant for leisure. We always see portrayals of luxurious interiors, but that's because those pictures show almost uniformly first class accommodations. When airliners are finally supplanted by whatever comes next, I'm sure the history books will show pictures of luxurious F-class suites like those found on SQ and EY and pictures of the crowded Y-class will be few and far between. But ultimately, ocean liners were meant to move people across oceans. They weren't a destination like a modern cruise ship is.

Most people boarding a ship like SS Normandie or RMS Queen Mary never saw the interior of the first class dining room and they weren't there for R and R. They were there to get somewhere.

Today that function is served by airliners. Ocean liners are obsolete.

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RE: Oasis Of The Seas 2, Could It Happen?

Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:12 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):

I think that is because they dont see it as fitting with their new product.

What new product?
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas 2, Could It Happen?

Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:14 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
There is one ship that could be considered an ocean liner in service: RMS Queen Mary 2. That is the only ship purpose-designed with the heavier construction for regular passenger crossings of the Atlantic.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
Ocean liners are obsolete.

So why was QM2 built?
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RE: Oasis Of The Seas 2, Could It Happen?

Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:23 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 15):
So why was QM2 built?

There was enough market for that one ship for the relatively small number of people who want a transatlantic crossing on such a ship.

For the next two ships, Cunard used two modified Vista-class cruise ships. They have upgraded propulsion and strengthened bows for pushing through the rough North Atlantic, but the entire ship isn't designed around that mission like QM2 is.
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