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RE: Cruise Ship Thread Part 3

Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:16 pm

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 49):

Will do a write up over the next days as on iPhone and quite a few things to mention and some pics.
 
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Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:18 pm

Royal Caribbean has announced they've ordered a fifth Quantum class ship from Meyer Werft. It's scheduled for delivery in Fall 2020 with a rumor of options for a sixth.
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Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:34 pm

I am organizing a craniofacial family conference/retreat cruise, for August 2016, on Norwegian's new Escape.

Fabulous Faces at Sea: The 2016 Craniofacial Cruise will be for families with children with craniofacial anomalies, as well as affected adults. On Norwegian Escape, we will sail out of Miami through the eastern Caribbean (the stops will be St. Maarten, St. Thomas, Tortola, and Nassau), on an 8-night itinerary.

Here's my Facebook announcement: Fabulous Faces at Sea: The 2016 Craniofacial Cruise

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RE: Cruise Ship Thread Part 3

Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:00 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 51):
Royal Caribbean has announced they've ordered a fifth Quantum class ship from Meyer Werft. It's scheduled for delivery in Fall 2020 with a rumor of options for a sixth.

It will be interesting to see what this will do to fares. Unless of course an equal number of berths on their smaller/older ships are sold or retired.

I have misgivings about ships this big. I generally prefer something at 90,000 grt or less, save Queen Mary 2. Yet, I am fascinated to see what all the fuss is about. The suites (generally what we prefer) sell out fast, but it's hard for us to book more than nine to twelve months in advance so that makes it difficult. Plus RCCL's new suite program at the highest level is completely on par or exceeds the luxury lines--at similar prices, especially in the "Star" class.

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RE: Cruise Ship Thread Part 3

Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:02 pm

Quoting scamp (Reply 53):
Unless of course an equal number of berths on their smaller/older ships are sold or retired.
Splendour of the Seas is getting sold to TUI straight off, so that'll subtract 2,076 passengers. There's also rumors of other Vision class ships getting sold off (I've heard rumors of both Legend and Vision getting sold). Of course you also have Empress coming back, Harmony and Ovation joining the fleet, as well as the fourth units of the Oasis and Quantum classes. At some point, though, RCI will have to look at a smaller class, something not much larger than the Radiance class or risk losing out on North American homeports as well as foreign ports of call that can't serve the larger hulls they have.
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Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:04 pm

Yes those suites are stunning, but, can RCCL or any of the other mass market lines provide the service levels the true luxury lines provide, I think not, while we are starting to see a return of the class system I still feel that a cruise on say a Quantum class ship will provide a very different experience than a cruise on say the Crystal Serenity.

then again, pricing out a Crystal Penthouse against a Royal loft RCCL does come in at a quarter of the price, so much like NCL's Haven it's a totally different market.
 
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RE: Cruise Ship Thread Part 3

Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:51 pm

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 55):
Yes those suites are stunning, but, can RCCL or any of the other mass market lines provide the service levels the true luxury lines provide, I think not, while we are starting to see a return of the class system I still feel that a cruise on say a Quantum class ship will provide a very different experience than a cruise on say the Crystal Serenity.

then again, pricing out a Crystal Penthouse against a Royal loft RCCL does come in at a quarter of the price, so much like NCL's Haven it's a totally different market.

Fair point. What I meant to refer to were the amenities offered.
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Sun Nov 08, 2015 6:15 am

I understand and agree, these mega ships can certainly provide far more amenities than the smaller luxury ships and I am sure there is a market for them, I just know, when I choose to go on a more luxury type cruise, i'm looking for a certain level of service and to relax, a personal preference of course.

Now put one of the royal lofts onto a true luxury ship and holy smokes, I actually love the idea of a two level suite with floor to ceiling windows and a view aft, but wow, the price tag on say Crystal for that would be eye watering.
 
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RE: Cruise Ship Thread Part 3

Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:22 am

Quoting scamp (Reply 53):
It will be interesting to see what this will do to fares.

Unless demand drops, and there is no sign that cruises will become less popular any time soon, not much.

RCI is retiring some older, smaller ships (remember when Sovereign of the Seas was the world's biggest cruise ship?) but demand is going up overall.

That said, they are going to need some smaller ships for those markets. They can't just get bigger and bigger. At some point they will be too big for a port to handle them.
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RE: Cruise Ship Thread Part 3

Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:14 pm

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 57):
Now put one of the royal lofts onto a true luxury ship and holy smokes, I actually love the idea of a two level suite with floor to ceiling windows and a view aft, but wow, the price tag on say Crystal for that would be eye watering.

That's a "sell a kidney" fare for most of us.  Wow!
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(remember when Sovereign of the Seas was the world's biggest cruise ship?)

On my first cruise, S.S. Norway, 1994, Sovereign was leaving St Thomas when we were still at anchor in the bay. I remember being impressed, at least with the exterior. I nearly went into orbit when Norway saluted her with her horn. I wasn't expecting that. To make matters worse, I was on the deck under the first stack where the horn was mounted.
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RE: Cruise Ship Thread Part 3

Sun Nov 08, 2015 6:37 pm

Quoting scamp (Reply 59):
On my first cruise, S.S. Norway, 1994, Sovereign was leaving St Thomas when we were still at anchor in the bay. I remember being impressed, at least with the exterior. I nearly went into orbit when Norway saluted her with her horn. I wasn't expecting that. To make matters worse, I was on the deck under the first stack where the horn was mounted.

The irony is that I'd give anything for a cruise aboard SS Norway. There are no passenger steamships other than a few Russian nuclear icebreakers that do passenger cruises (remember that all nuclear ships are steamships).
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Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:45 pm

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 49):

Ok here goes. After a near month of travelling Im finally settled back at home and nearly unpacked  


So Fred Olsen was a line that I never really considered before but interested me all the same due to their traditional cruise ships and nice size. A cruise came up on the Braemar ( former Crown Dynasty ) which is one of their ''newer'' and renovated ships. It was actually extended some years back and an interesting time lapse of the cutting in two and new section can be seen here :


https://youtu.be/QirVr-pEVU4


I knew it was a more senior crowd but that actually did not bother me and much better than screaming kids ! I also have done a lot of the mega / larger ships and wanted something different.



http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/Screen%20Shot%202015-11-08%20at%2019.40.48_zpstezocm2j.jpg



Check in was very smooth. I arrived around midday and was onboard in 20 minutes. Welcomed by very friendly staff and when I got to my deck all of the stateroom attendants were there to greet guests and show them to their accommodations.

I had an outside which was perfect and later turned out to be the best choice rather than a balcony. Very clean and spacious with safe/shower and even tea and coffee making facilities. Plenty of wardrobe space.


This was the daily program :





Then it was time to check out the ship. I always head to the dining room to check out my table and to make sure they have followed through on my requests. Sure enough it had been done and the table was perfect.





A view of the Thistle Restaurant :


http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/A44EB038-841E-44BF-A3A1-9A69843BF151_zpshn8rwhrd.jpg


Some photos of the public areas of the ship :


http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/CB18CEF2-19EE-4C6D-A497-A44DF2638021_zpswimi40vr.jpg

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/CE0BC1B8-85A8-4F58-ACDD-2499D1D58B27_zpsvqpleztk.jpg

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/F4A75804-AF4A-4E96-932E-8926FEA5B918_zpsimhigbl5.jpg

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/A81A9520-D042-48CB-AC40-6022DA791881_zpsvjwazqxa.jpg

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/23F7F622-2488-4908-8BD0-F8BF15111E8D_zpsn7dnebby.jpg


Emergency drill.





So we left port and the next 5 days would be at sea. Something I love. The first three days the weather was quite stormy and some people were able to cope for than others. I was fine lucky enough. On the third night we hit a freak wave whilst 2nd seating dinner was on. Now this was something I thought Id only see on Youtube and it seemed like slow motion. I noticed the glasses moving on my table and grabbed them. Other tables around the restaurant were not so lucky. Whole tables with plates of food and glasses of wine slid off onto the floor and guests were thrown out of their chairs onto the floor. Its was all rather surreal. I think everyone were in shock. The crew were great I have to say they shouted to everyone to stay where they were and not to move. The Captain and medical staff all came in and checked on the guests effected. Some had cuts and bruises so it was by no means a minor incident. Still the majority of those didnt want a fuss and got up with help and awaited to be seen by the medics. I would say a dozen were taken from the restaurant. In true British style the remaining ones moved to other empty tables and decided to carry on with their meals. So that was that nights entertainment.   The next day some passengers were wearing bandages and plasters but were all joking about it and not letting it spoil their cruise. The Captain also came on in his daily address and gave a very thorough explanation of what happened and the freak nature of the incident. This happened South of the Bay of Bisque and some passengers said that they thought the ship was not as well able to handle the storms as other ships they had been on.

Still after that everything was normal and the weather was amazing. Calm seas with 25c and sunny.

Most guests would attend talks by various guest speakers or sit out on deck. It was a very relaxed smart casual atmosphere onboard and some very well travelled and interesting people who I got talking to. There were a handful of younger guests with their teenage children but you never saw them and they did their own thing.

The biggest plus for me was the quality of the food and dining venues given the small ship the Braemar is. I dont know how they did it but the variety was amazing. At all meal times there were 3 choices of where to dine. Breakfast and lunch were free seating and you never waited for a table. Dinner was fixed early or late but again you had the opportunity to dine in the buffet at anytime. I always go for second dining 2030 so I didnt go for the buffet but did look one night and it was good quality.


Some food pics :



http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/F23F300C-8510-40B7-A5F7-BE18668F0CDB_zpsxxhbhoko.jpg


http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/F267D0BC-8A8A-4EF7-B832-864B3C3002B2_zpscb7o0m9h.jpg

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/2E7B8DA7-EE27-47DB-865A-9E962EA4956F_zpspylbg4fa.jpg

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/7DF7188C-C4B5-4D11-96A0-B727A7439056_zps0uzt5ixq.jpg

Free bubbly at breakfast :

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/1DEE72D3-C440-4ADE-8E7A-7847F1623909_zpsyr9au2wo.jpg

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/FE0DC888-29D2-4163-A049-5186A3753651_zpspx0e10ka.jpg

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/5ACF12E0-BDC9-4CCC-B96E-72E51C2415DC_zpsp5o5wkaj.jpg

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/C5536B59-AF10-451A-8463-B80267DD7E54_zpsispuqwgg.jpg

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/FD953D67-90F8-40E2-B194-5C6370F73587_zps3mj31jjf.jpg


Afternoon tea



http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/D0192A5A-B7C7-49D9-99A5-957D752AEDED_zpsaw91pr0k.jpg



Another thing to point out which I loved was the fact that at breakfast and lunch in the formal restaurants you could order certain items from the menu but also they had a hot and cold buffet should you want both. The buffet was very high quality with lots of variety and fresh. For instance at lunch there would be around 8-10 different salad items to choose from along with 3 choices of hot dishes. Never a queue which was great.



The speciality coffee cafe with their chocolates which I visited everyday  http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/93D05EB0-F4F8-4692-8936-F92BDA56FBDB_zpszna4rchg.jpg



Lovely areas to sit out aft of the ship :


http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/085349AE-6EAB-4D43-B4D2-97D04ED9C2E9_zpsceq65dnp.jpg


Fire training drill one day at sea :



http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/Screen%20Shot%202015-11-08%20at%2019.37.17_zpsmish1hkx.jpg


http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/Screen%20Shot%202015-11-08%20at%2019.37.58_zpsanhlbkjy.jpg


http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/33444A42-167F-4BB2-B8A6-67D458E5210B_zpsi6o8gvix.jpg


http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/C55C0DB6-D96E-4A61-BCF9-AC87C92C48CC_zpsagwspubl.jpg



So thats my summary. If you are looking for a very traditional cruise experience with no gimmicks then this is for you. 60+ age group and low key entertainment. They had evening shows I only went to two. Certainly not for you if you like the productions that Cunard/CEL/HAL put on but then again this is not that type of cruise experience. This is for people that want a real ship and to chill out and mingle with fellow guests in this rather intimate ship and good quality food and lovely staff.
 
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RE: Cruise Ship Thread Part 3

Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:27 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 60):
The irony is that I'd give anything for a cruise aboard SS Norway.

It was really cool. I especially enjoyed going down to the disco, A Club Called Dazzles, during the day. There were two portholes in the disco that you could look out and see inside the aft pool. The surface was the deck above. When guys dove into the pool, physics took over and their bathing suits slid right down. Rather entertaining for a young gay boy!   
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RE: Cruise Ship Thread Part 3

Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:00 pm

Thanks for the report Phil, I have to say, i really do like the look of that, the food looks great and from what you are saying about the atmosphere it sounds almost perfect for us.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 60):

The irony is that I'd give anything for a cruise aboard SS Norway.

It was a different type of cruising back then, I was lucky enough to sail on her a few times as a kid in the 80's, she was so different from the ships that sailed at the time, so many places to investigate and so much space, though honestly, for some reason I have memories of preferring the MS Skyward (now MV Leisure World), I think it was the more casual atmosphere as a kid that appealed to me.
 
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Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:26 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/09/travel...ruise-liberty-fire-st-thomas-feat/

Looks like I missed an incident. Carnival Liberty (a Conquest-class ship) suffered an engine fire in September, although this wasn't as catastrophic as past incidents. Hotel services remained operational and the ship was in port at the time, but less than one day into its cruise. They had to fly all the passengers home. Passengers were refunded the full fare plus given a $150 credit into their shipboard accounts (presumably transferrable to future cruises) and a 50% discount on a future cruise. Still sucks because Carnival can't refund them the vacation time they lost off work.
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RE: Cruise Ship Thread Part 3

Mon Nov 09, 2015 10:18 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 64):
Passengers were refunded the full fare plus given a $150 credit into their shipboard accounts (presumably transferrable to future cruises)

Actually no, but they can be transfered to your pocket, go to the casino, charge $150 to your account via a machine, hit cash out, take the voucher to the cage, put the money in your pocket.
 
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:39 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 64):


Looks like I missed an incident. Carnival Liberty (a Conquest-class ship) suffered an engine fire in September, although this wasn't as catastrophic as past incidents. Hotel services remained operational and the ship was in port at the time, but less than one day into its cruise. They had to fly all the passengers home. Passengers were refunded the full fare plus given a $150 credit into their shipboard accounts (presumably transferrable to future cruises) and a 50% discount on a future cruise. Still sucks because Carnival can't refund them the vacation time they lost off work.

Royal Caribbean had a similar incident in October when Splendour of the Seas (a Vision class ship, the twin of Legend of the Seas) suffered an engine fire in the Mediterranean. The ship limped back to Venice under its own power and skipped its scheduled call at Argostoli. Radio personality/consumer advocate Clark Howard was onboard but was unharmed. 21 treated for smoke inhalation.

There was also an incident this past Friday on Oasis of the Seas that resulted in the likely death of a passenger when the passenger committed suicide by going overboard, clinging onto a lifeboat davit before falling into the ocean, near Turks & Caicos after a domestic disturbance with his husband. Oasis and the Coast Guard searched for the passenger but were unable to locate and recover him. The (likely) widower has lawyered up and is now claiming that homophobia by Royal Caribbean's staff, including the security staff, sent to investigate the domestic disturbance (which was heard in several neighboring staterooms), led to the passenger taking his life.
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:31 pm

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 65):
Actually no, but they can be transfered to your pocket, go to the casino, charge $150 to your account via a machine, hit cash out, take the voucher to the cage, put the money in your pocket.

Well, that and less than 24 hours out of port, it probably more than covered 90% of passengers' accumulated onboard charges.

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 63):
It was a different type of cruising back then, I was lucky enough to sail on her a few times as a kid in the 80's, she was so different from the ships that sailed at the time, so many places to investigate and so much space, though honestly, for some reason I have memories of preferring the MS Skyward (now MV Leisure World), I think it was the more casual atmosphere as a kid that appealed to me.

For me, part of what excites me about a cruise, much as it does about flight, is the machinery. Every cruise ship I've ever boarded was diesel-electric and, leaving the Boblo boats aside from when I was a kid, every ship I've ever boarded has had diesel as the prime mover. I've never been on a steamship other than the Boblo boats and at that age, I didn't realize it.

I'd love the chance to sail on a ship that uses steam as a prime mover.
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RE: Cruise Ship Thread Part 3

Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:53 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 67):
I'd love the chance to sail on a ship that uses steam as a prime mover.

Oh okay, I went on the Norway and the QE2 when she was still steam, my thing is sail, I am really looking at Windstar for a trans Atlantic or maybe around the Tahiti Islands.
 
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:33 pm

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 55):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 67):
I'd love the chance to sail on a ship that uses steam as a prime mover.

The interesting part isn't the steam, it's how the steam is generated. My first ship in the Navy was the USS Long Beach, which was nuclear powered, We used to have drag races in the Tonkin Gulf and no one could come close to beating us because we could generate steam far faster than the competition. It also allowed us to steam full speed 24 hours a day without concerns about running out of fuel. We would basically leave Long Beach Naval Base and haul ass.
 
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:35 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 48):

How come, Tui Cruises gets nice new shiny ships, But Thomson cruises, which is part of TUI gets ships that are way overdue a visit to the scrap yard?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Thomson_Spirit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Thomson_Celebration

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Thomson_Dream

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Thomson_Majesty


The most modern ship to join Thomson, is a 1996 build "Thomson Discovery" which is the former RCI Splendor of the Seas
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:02 pm

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 70):
Splendor of the Seas
Splendour was extensively refurbished in 2012. It's not like she's ready for the breakers yet.
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:11 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 71):

Oh absolutely agreed.

Compared to the rest of the fleet, Splendour is the Quantum class of the Thomson fleet!
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:13 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 69):
The interesting part isn't the steam, it's how the steam is generated. My first ship in the Navy was the USS Long Beach, which was nuclear powered, We used to have drag races in the Tonkin Gulf and no one could come close to beating us because we could generate steam far faster than the competition. It also allowed us to steam full speed 24 hours a day without concerns about running out of fuel. We would basically leave Long Beach Naval Base and haul ass.

When I was 23 my parents proposed a circum-polar cruise aboard a Russian nuclear-powered ice breaker. I happily accepted but my father was getting older and less mobile so we switched to a North Sea cruise aboard Celebrity Galaxy.

I do suspect that nuclear-powered passenger ships will once again exist, but not in the next decade.
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:06 am

Well as some may remember, we are heading out on the Regal Princess in December, we got a call from Princess today asking if we would like to upgrade to a mini suite from a balcony cabin, for a whole $100, well yes of course, the upgrade fairy has been good to me this year.

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 70):
How come, Tui Cruises gets nice new shiny ships, But Thomson cruises, which is part of TUI gets ships that are way overdue a visit to the scrap yard?

Compare the cost of a TUI cruise against a Thompson cruise.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 73):
I do suspect that nuclear-powered passenger ships will once again exist, but not in the next decade.

I guess it's possible, but man the security issues are huge.
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:28 am

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 74):
I guess it's possible, but man the security issues are huge.

Not if it's thorium.
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:46 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 75):
Not if it's thorium.

Hmmm, debatable, yes it is harder to turn into a weapon, but it can be done.

Then there is the cost, I just don't see it being done in our lifetime on a cruise ship, then the fact that those big diesel engines can run on just about anything, we are more likely to see cruise ships powered by vegetable oil before nuclear power.
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:15 am

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 63):
Thanks for the report Phil, I have to say, i really do like the look of that, the food looks great and from what you are saying about the atmosphere it sounds almost perfect for us.

No problem it is actually a rarely reported line even on forums and yes it might be worth a try their suites are very reasonable especially on some late deals. A good 4* brand on older ships for sure. Im not sure I would do the much older ships such as Black Watch but then again it may appeal to some.

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 70):
How come, Tui Cruises gets nice new shiny ships, But Thomson cruises, which is part of TUI gets ships that are way overdue a visit to the scrap yard?

The German market has historically always got the better and newer ships in the TUI group. They do usually pay a bit more but that is not always the case. I have often looked at the German products both cruise and land based packages and they do get better hotels and deals. You can often find TUI Germany book out whole hotels in Spain,Greece etc..



A sneak preview of the Carinthia lounge to replace the Winter Garden on QM2. Now I love the WG so hope they will not ruin it. We shall see.


 
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RE: Cruise Ship Thread Part 3

Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:47 pm

Splendour of the Seas / Thomson Discovery


 
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:16 pm

We were notified last night that on our Carnival Pride cruise in 2017 will now include a partial Panama canal transit, something I have always wanted to do and somehow never managed to.
 
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RE: Cruise Ship Thread Part 3

Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:22 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 73):
I do suspect that nuclear-powered passenger ships will once again exist, but not in the next decade.

The problem with a nuclear powered rule ship would be the massive increase in costs. In addition to the reactors the personnel costs (both initial training and ongoing qualifications) si far from cheap. In the Navy all personnel going into the nuclear program spend a year in classes/hands on training and have to do very well before being allowed on a ship. As soon as they arrive they start qualifying all over again - starting one level and then going to the next. When they finish all qualifications they start all over again. You can tell the nukes as they have their qual cards in their hip pocket and only talk about where they are in the current cycle. They are also required to have their medical records in a separate filing cabinet.

A cruise ship would gain nothing from that additional costs. They hit ports often enough and stay long enough to load up on both fuel and water, as well as discharging wastes.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 78):

Splendor of the Seas / Thomson Discovery

Splendor of the Seas was a favorite of mine because the Windjammer was at the front of the ship. I always enjoyed string with a cup of coffee watching where we were going. I also thought it was a good sized ship for using Venice as a starting port for an Eastern Med cruise because of here smaller size.
 
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:37 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 80):
I also thought it was a good sized ship for using Venice as a starting port for an Eastern Med cruise because of here smaller size.

Which is why her (slightly bigger) "sister" (I put sister in quotes because the Vision class ships aren't a true class), Vision of the Seas is taking over that route.
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:08 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 80):
The problem with a nuclear powered rule ship would be the massive increase in costs. In addition to the reactors the personnel costs (both initial training and ongoing qualifications) si far from cheap.

I'm going with the chief of ship design at Carnival over posters on this forum.

He sees it as an inevitability. He says that the cost of fuel will become too high for diesel at some point in the future. When it rises above the ancillary costs of having a reactor onboard with all of the additional training, safety measures, etc., then it will happen.
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:32 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 82):
He sees it as an inevitability.

Maybe sometime in the future, but by then we would probably see reactors all over the country replacing traditional fuels.

All I can go on is the intensive personnel environment on the ship I was on. On the positive side, when a nuke completed their enlistment the cruise ships will have a well trained engineer with a lot of experience available to hire. On the negative side, these guys make some very good money these days and a more competitive job market in the future will significantly increase their compensation packages.
 
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Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:45 pm

A ship we have been looking at is having major issues, Le Boreal had an engine room fire yesterday, all passengers and crews ended up abandoning ship in the south Atlantic, the majority in life boats, with some being winched off the deck by RAF helicopters.

RAF and RN force picked up the people in life boats and transported them to the Falklands.

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Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:03 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 83):
All I can go on is the intensive personnel environment on the ship I was on. On the positive side, when a nuke completed their enlistment the cruise ships will have a well trained engineer with a lot of experience available to hire. On the negative side, these guys make some very good money these days and a more competitive job market in the future will significantly increase their compensation packages.

Diesel fuel oil costs about $650/ton. A typical cruise ship might burn 1,200 tons of fuel per week. If we assume she sails 50 weeks per year then that is $39M in fuel per year.

For a 1GW nuclear power plant, fuel is about $40M per year, but a cruise ship usually has a max power output of ~60-70 MW. Solstice and Quantum-class ships produce 67.5MW, so if we assume an output of 100MW, that should drop the fuel costs to $4M per year (and that cost includes refueling and disposal). That means that the yearly operating fuel cost is $35M cheaper.

While the reactor and turbine sets might cost more than a diesel generator set, I can see the financial picture working out now in 2015. The issue is the insurance and liability. That's a major problem right there and it's one that the Navy doesn't face.
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Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:20 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 85):
The issue is the insurance and liability.

Another issue is people's concerns about nuclear power. The USS Long Beach never went to Japan for a port visit. We did sail twice to Australia but had to anchor both times. The first was in Sydney in '66 where we anchored in Sydney Harbor and had about 10,000 visitors a day touring the ship (and the first female "stowaway"). I found it ironic that they didn't want us to tie up at the pier, but we had so many who were happy to visit the ship. the Second time was in Perth (where I met my wife) and we anchored out in Gage's Road (sp?). Not as many visitors and some had to overnight on board when the weather got bad.

I wondering how many nuclear cruise ships will be allowed to even anchor close to some ports.

I also wonder how many pax will want to be on a nuclear ship - the fear of an accident is pretty strong for many.

And when purchasing fuel there will be a need to purchase 10 years (minimum) at a time because replacing the rods is itself very expensive. And two reactors will be needed to provide normal continuation at sea.
 
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Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:20 am

Royal Caribbean get green after sustainability report

While its new Quantum of the Seas and Anthem of the Seas ships include skydiving machines and robotic bartenders, new technologies have helped them become some of the lowest-emission ships in the industry.

The company’s air lubrication system creates a reduced friction layer of billions of microscopic air bubbles on a ship’s hull, which have helped its new Quantum-class ships to emit about 20 percent less carbon dioxide than previous designs.

“At Royal Caribbean, we are working to ensure that sustainability remains at the heart of our business,” says Richard D. Fain, Chairman and CEO of Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd.

http://www.express.co.uk/travel/crui...bean-sustainability-Save-the-Waves
 
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Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:23 am

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 70):

The most modern ship to join Thomson, is a 1996 build "Thomson Discovery" which is the former RCI Splendor of the Seas

You'll be happy to know that TUI Cruises' Mein Schiff 1 and Mein Schiff 2 will be transferred to Thomson fairly soon. Next on the agenda is Thomson will be renamed TUI sometime in the near future, all TUI group companies will re-brand to TUI over the next couple of years.
 
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Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:00 pm

I'm seeing scuttlebutt on another site that Pullmantur isn't doing well financially for RCI and that two more former Royal ships, Sovereign and Monarch (the former Sovereign of the Seas and Monarch of the Seas, respectively) are destined to be transferred back to the Royal Caribbean fleet. Royal announced earlier this year that the third member of the Sovereign class, Majesty of the Seas, would not be transferred to Pullmantur as was originally planned in favor of being overhauled. If they do return, I have to wonder if Royal decides to make a firm return to the West Coast after the itineraries Jewel of the Seas and Explorer of the Seas have done (California Coastal out of Santa Monica and Pacific Coast out of Seattle, respectively).

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Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:46 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 89):
If they do return, I have to wonder if Royal decides to make a firm return to the West Coast after the itineraries Jewel of the Seas and Explorer of the Seas have done (California Coastal out of Santa Monica and Pacific Coast out of Seattle, respectively).

The California coastal is out of Long Beach/ San Padre, there is no port facilities large enough in Santa Monica for a ship the size of one of these.

But I get where you are coming from, the issue is, the darn ports themselves, unlike of the East coast where we have seen cruise lines and ports work together on development there has been zero work done on the west coast.

Let's face it, out of LA, you can go to Catalina and Ensenada on a 3-4 day cruise, the same ports as 50 years ago...

You can do a coastal cruise, which goes LA - San Diego - Ensenada - Santa Barbara - Sometimes SFO- LA, I've actually done this cruise and enjoyed it.

And of course, the 7 day Mexican Riviera which hit's Puerto Vallarta and Cabo, again, same ports as forever.

Or you can jump on a plane, fly a couple of hours to Galveston and cruise the western Caribbean, or 5 hours and be in Miami/Ft Lauderdale and cruise all the Caribbean.

Anyways, what I am getting at is, there is only so much demand out here, at one point we had 3 ships based out of LA, 2 Carnival and 1 RCCL the pricing pressure was crazy, a 7 day cruise could be had for $299.

So throwing that much tonnage to the west coast, I don't see it, if the lines and Mexico had been bothered to develop new ports then maybe, but they haven't, so nope.

Maybe put one on the LA - Ensenada - HNL route for a bi-weekly service, or two for a weekly service, that would be my plan if they want them out west.
 
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Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:28 pm

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 90):

The California coastal is out of Long Beach/ San Padre, there is no port facilities large enough in Santa Monica for a ship the size of one of these.

Thanks for the correction - I completely spaced on which port Jewel departed from on that run, thought it was Santa Monica, and remembered dead wrong!

The itineraries that Royal did on Jewel were out of San Pedro and had port calls in Santa Barbara, San Francisco, Monterey, and Ensenada:

Day 1 - San Pedro
Day 2 - Santa Barbara
Day 3 - San Francisco
Day 4 - San Francisco
Day 5 - Monterey
Day 6 - At Sea
Day 7 - Ensenada

My only thought as to why Royal might be interested in maybe using one of the Sovereigns on the route permanently or with the Riviera included is that they've largely ceded this market to Carnival. I'm sure Royal could at least compete in this sector and for East Coast based cruisers who are loyal to Royal (like my wife and myself) we feel about the same way about the Caribbean as you do about the Mexican Pacific ports and we've been on enough cruises that go to Nassau, St. Thomas, Cozumel, Grand Cayman, etc that we'd like something a little different - perhaps that sort of West Coast-based route would appeal to us.
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Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:46 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 91):
Thanks for the correction - I completely spaced on which port Jewel departed from on that run, thought it was Santa Monica, and remembered dead wrong!

No worries, we all forget stuff.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 91):
My only thought as to why Royal might be interested in maybe using one of the Sovereigns on the route permanently or with the Riviera included is that they've largely ceded this market to Carnival.

They tried before, the market just isn't there, even Carnival no longer runs the 7 day Mexican cruises year round anymore, between the locals not wanting to visit the same ports every cruise and the crime issues in Mexico the market has major issues.

Frankly, the California coastal cruise was fun for me, but the wifes family lives in California, so visiting ports there were pretty blah for them. Of course there is a limited market for people from other parts, but nowhere near enough to run them year round.

Of interest though, the lines have no issues running longer more expensive cruises out of the LA area.
 
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Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:15 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 89):
I'm seeing scuttlebutt on another site that Pullmantur isn't doing well financially for RCI and that two more former Royal ships, Sovereign and Monarch (the former Sovereign of the Seas and Monarch of the Seas, respectively) are destined to be transferred back to the Royal Caribbean fleet. Royal announced earlier this year that the third member of the Sovereign class, Majesty of the Seas, would not be transferred to Pullmantur as was originally planned in favor of being overhauled. If they do return, I have to wonder if Royal decides to make a firm return to the West Coast after the itineraries Jewel of the Seas and Explorer of the Seas have done (California Coastal out of Santa Monica and Pacific Coast out of Seattle, respectively).

If this does happen I really hope that Royal Caribbean doesn't butcher them the way Carnival butchered the Fantasy class to create more balconies.

On another Royal Caribbean note, it appears that in October/November next year Adventure of the Seas isn't running her usual Southern Caribbean itineraries. Is she also going to Freeport for upgrades?
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Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:57 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 93):

On another Royal Caribbean note, it appears that in October/November next year Adventure of the Seas isn't running her usual Southern Caribbean itineraries. Is she also going to Freeport for upgrades?

I'm not sure where she's going, but yes. She's overdue for a drydock. Full details aren't out but offhand I'd expect her to get the same treatment the other Voyagers have gotten in drydock - Flowriders added, the two-level Gothic-themed nightclub turned into more cabins and Sabor, Chops will probably be added to her as well.
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RE: Cruise Ship Thread Part 3

Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:51 am

My wife and I are looking at booking an Adriatic and Aegean cruise on La Lyrial in 2017 and I was wondering if anyone here has had any experience on her. If so I would really like a brief honest appraisal.

Cheers and thanks,
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:01 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 11):
AIDAprima

Design details are quite interesting actually:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion-Klasse

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Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:05 am

Quoting maxter (Reply 95):

We have not sailed on her, but I did do a lot of research on Ponant a while back when we were looking at doing an Antarctic cruise, the general feeling I got was it was good, but tended to be hit or miss on the food and service levels, check out cruise critic, there are some good threads over there.

Well, we are in FL right now, tomorrow we board the Regal Princess.
 
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Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:30 am

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 97):

I looked at Ponant too and do want to try it but maybe not for another year. Enjoy RP and look forward to your feedback  
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:33 pm

Thanks for your thoughts guys, I will be looking forward to the cruise for sure.

Cheers,
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