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Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:21 pm

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Hollywood superstar and womaniser reported to have HIV

A famous Hollywood actor, with of string of famous former girlfriends, has reportedly been diagnosed with HIV.

According to The Telegraph, the actor is unwilling to admit the diagnosis publicly for fear of law suits from the women.

The Sun claims to know the actor's identity and reported an "insider" saying that it is something "he has known for a number of years.

"His lawyers are bracing for the threat of potential action. The reality is that if he's knowingly put women at risk then that's disgusting and it's only a matter of time before that becomes public."

Friends have reportedly told him to open up about his condition.

"Obviously it would be a huge story, but the reality is HIV is entirely treatable in this day and age and shouldn't impact his ability to work or lead a normal life.

"It could be a game-changer in the understanding of HIV given that he's a straight man."

My money's on Charlie Sheen and I'd place a side bet on Sean Penn.

I some ways this might even be a good thing, it would help the gay community, people still see aids as a gay problem not something that can get anyone.

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Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:16 pm

Likely this has came out from kinda like over 20 years ago with then NBA star 'Magic' Johnson, that they were tested for HIV as part of a life insurance policy on a contract for a show or movie they were to be in. I bet if this is true it will come out in a few day by someone looking for a $$$'s payout from a low ethics magazine or website (like TMZ). I am sure the name has got texed around and a number of actresses are scared and running to their doctors.
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:16 pm

I was thinking Jack Nicholson, but to be honest I don't really care.

Quoting KiwiRob (Thread starter):
I some ways this might even be a good thing, it would help the gay community, people still see aids as a gay problem not something that can get anyone.

People still see HIV/AIDS as a gay problem??? Even with Magic Johnson?

Well, I guess there are complete idiots out there....
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:55 pm

Losing Charlie Sheen is not a A-list star.

i'm thinking Sean Penn, his ex Charlize Theron is a award winning actress
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:58 pm

i don't think it matters, as long as he's not out there spreading it irresponsibly.
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:15 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Thread starter):
I'd place a side bet on Sean Penn.

Not to worry, I am sure that if it is him he will go use the fabulous health system in Cuba and everything will be fine and dandy.
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:40 am

Quoting DLFREEBIRD (Reply 6):
as long as he's not out there spreading it irresponsibly.

Is there a way to spread disease responsibly?
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:21 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 6):
Is there a way to spread disease responsibly?

There was a case in NZ where an African immigrant knowingly spread AIDS to a number of women, he ended up in prison.
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:22 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 7):
There was a case in NZ where an African immigrant knowingly spread AIDS to a number of women, he ended up in prison.

There have been those cases in many countries. That would be irresponsibly spreading disease. What about responsibly spreading disease?
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:57 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 8):
What about responsibly spreading disease?

Only with consent  
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:59 pm

Well the Sun posted this update:

"The actor’s list of exes includes an award-winning actress, a religious movie star, a top Hollywood personality with a controversial past, a TV star, a media personality and a glamour model."

I know this is just a sample, but it seems to rule out Sean Penn, since mega huge pop star isn't listed. Then again, he did date Charlize Theron, who's an award winner...

It does point to Sheen since one of his exes is Kelly Preston, John Travolta's wife and practicing Scientologist.

Whoever it is, I wish them a good medical team. Even if it's treatable, HIV isn't a cakewalk.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
People still see HIV/AIDS as a gay problem??? Even with Magic Johnson?

Well, I guess there are complete idiots out there....

Well it is a gay problem in the sense that, in the West at least, gay men are still the single largest group affected by the virus. That said, it's troubling that a lot of people still cling to the notion that they can't get it because they're not gay.
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:36 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
People still see HIV/AIDS as a gay problem???

Because gay men are an overwhelmingly large group affected by it, they see it as such, even though a straight man or woman infected with it can spread it to just as many people.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 8):
What about responsibly spreading disease?

I think what he means is that by being irresponsible you either know that you have a disease and are spreading it without the proper precautions (condom, anti-viral treatment or (a sure way to prevent it) abstinence) or you don't know it and are spreading it (with or without precautions).

By responsible, I would assume that he means "unwillingly"...as in, I know I'm poz and the condom broke or I cut myself and you got in contact with it.
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:42 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 10):
Then again, he did date Charlize Theron, who's an award winner...

He was also married to Robin Wright.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 10):

"The actor’s list of exes includes an award-winning actress, a religious movie star, a top Hollywood personality with a controversial past, a TV star, a media personality and a glamour model."

See almost crosses out Sheen, he's been banging porn stars for a long time, and they say a glamour model not dozens of them.
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:23 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
People still see HIV/AIDS as a gay problem???
Quoting OA412 (Reply 10):
a lot of people still cling to the notion that they can't get it because they're not gay.

Yup, they sure do, and it's sad.

What never ceases to shock (though not surprise) me is when kiddies under 25 do so. They've lived their whole life in not only the era of HIV/AIDS, but during the times when prevention education was developed and prevalent.

Yet sooooo many still believe "I'm not gay, so I don't have to worry."
And then many believe "I'll just take a pill, and I'll be okay."


Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
Well, I guess there are complete idiots out there....

  


Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 9):
Only with consent

You might be surprised at just how accurate that is.

You still have the likes of Paul Morris (of the famed "Treasure Island" HIV+ porn genre)... who actively promote intentionally contracting HIV, denounce HIVnegativity as "the new virginity," and allegedly host "(sero)conversion parties" where men who are HIVneg intentionally have unprotected sex with multiple HIV+ individuals with the specific objective of becoming infected.

So there's that.
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:23 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 10):
Well it is a gay problem in the sense that, in the West at least, gay men are still the single largest group affected by the virus.
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 11):
Because gay men are an overwhelmingly large group affected by it, they see it as such, even though a straight man or woman infected with it can spread it to just as many people.

I get what you guys are saying, I just haven't heard anyone talk about it as a gay problem in, I dunno, 15 years.
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:18 pm

My wild conspiracy theory imagination can easily go into overdrive. Sadly there are lots of candidates. At best I'm only going to hint with two both in the headlines for all the wrong reasons. One dealt with foot longs. And the other had several succesfful shows on NBC.
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:54 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 14):
I just haven't heard anyone talk about it as a gay problem in, I dunno, 15 years.

Consider yourself fortunate then.  

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 15):
And the other had several succesfful shows on NBC.

Yikes! Just imagine if it's him.  Wow!

While I realize he hasn't been proven guilty of anything, it's just so sad and disillusioning to see an icon of your youth fall from grace, in such a manner.

Of course, that experience is an absolute pittance, compared to what his alleged victims would've gone through; but still.
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:23 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 16):
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 15):
And the other had several succesfful shows on NBC.

Yikes! Just imagine if it's him.

Help me out. Who are you two talking about?
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:38 pm

could be Robert Downey Jr.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 6):
Quoting DLFREEBIRD (Reply 6):
as long as he's not out there spreading it irresponsibly.

Is there a way to spread disease responsibly?

As long as he's following the laws and legal requirements of full disclosure It's none of our business.
 
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:08 am

Since Actor is a unisex term now, it could be Betty White....She gets around!
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:29 am

Quoting OA412 (Reply 17):

He also was a spokesman for Jello.
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Help me out. Who are you two talking about?

Bill Cosby
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:10 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 14):
I just haven't heard anyone talk about it as a gay problem in, I dunno, 15 years.

Go to a blood drive and one of the questions asked is if you have had sexual contact with another man at least once since 1977. Ask the nurse why they're asking this (or google it)

Enough said.
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:13 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Thread starter):
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Hollywood superstar and womaniser reported to have HIV

Just curious, what's the source for your quote?
 
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Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 22):
Go to a blood drive and one of the questions asked is if you have had sexual contact with another man at least once since 1977. Ask the nurse why they're asking this (or google it)

Not exactly the same thing, in my view. If one group is at higher risk for something, it makes sense to ask about it at a blood drive.

But to me, saying it's a "gay problem" indicates a more culturally-biased, less-educated view of it. That's different than saying it's more prevalent among gay people.
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:52 am

Quoting DLFREEBIRD (Reply 3):
i'm thinking Sean Penn, his ex Charlize Theron is a award winning actress

He was also married to (award winning actress) Robin Wright for 14 years, and married to (award winning singer) Madonna for 4. Hardly a "string of girlfriends."

Quoting DLFREEBIRD (Reply 3):

Losing Charlie Sheen is not a A-list star.

Whether you like Charlie Sheen or not, he is assuredly A-list.
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:03 am

I suspect there is a huge amount of pressure from some in the media to put out the name of the alleged person, perhaps to save potential victims. But there is also a greater fear that to do so would likely mean your company face massive web and IT hacking to the point of ruin, a massive amount of protest and boycotts by advertisers and consumers. If a person outs him and is identifiable, they would likely face death threats and ruin any life in public, except from the most extreme religious types.
 
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:18 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 24):
it makes sense to ask about it at a blood drive.

Not really. They could 1) lie, or 2) not know.

It's just a feel-good action that serves no useful function.
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):
Whether you like Charlie Sheen or not, he is assuredly A-list.

We can with certainty tell you who the purported HIV-infected A-list actor is not. We will publish a definitive list since the speculation is unfair to those unjustly suspected. We may add to this list as we find additional names placed into the speculation:

It is not Tom Hanks, Leonardo DiCaprio, Colin Farrell, Bradley Cooper, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Eddie Murphy, Keanu Reeves, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Tom Cruise, Bruce Willis, Matt Damon, Michael Fassbender, Ryan Gosling, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Robert De Niro, Liam Neeson, Tom Green, Benedict Cumberbatch, Liam Hemsworth, Tom Hardy, Russell Brand, Jeremy Renner, Zac Efron, Sean Penn, Jake Gyllenhaal, Richard Gere, Hugh Grant, Liam Neeson, Daniel Craig, Robert Downey Jr., Ben Affleck, Johnny Depp, Joaquin Phoenix, Owen Wilson, Jim Carrey, Vince Vaughan, Jude Law, Jason Statham, Viggo Mortensen, Will Smith, Jamie Foxx, Christian Bale, Matthew McConaughey, Jared Leto, Ed Norton, Jack Nicholson, Val Kilmer, Gary Oldman, Billy Bob Thornton, Orlando Bloom, Ryan Reynolds, Gerard Butler, Owen Wilson, Denzel Washington, James McAvoy, Chris Pine, Justin Timberlake, James Franco, Russell Crowe, Ralph Fiennes, Nicholas Cage, Channing Tatum or John Travolta.

hmmmm, they didn't rule out Charlie Sheen.

http://www.thetoc.gr/eng/people/arti...m-partners-that-he-is-hiv-positive

[Edited 2015-11-12 22:23:16]
 
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:32 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 13):
And then many believe "I'll just take a pill, and I'll be okay."

Truvada has been show very effective as a preemptive treatment. Nothing is 100% but, probably gay men read such wonderful things about Truvada and PReP and get the idea they are invincible. As with pregnancy amongst heteros, it only takes one time....

Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):
Since Actor is a unisex term now, it could be Betty White....She gets around!

Hey, now... she has a reputation to uphold. She would not open up for just anyone!

Quoting DLFREEBIRD (Reply 28):
It is not

How sure are you on that list? DeNero, Hanks, Jamie Foxx, Jim Carrey, Daniel Craig, sure. Travolta, Leto, JGL, Cruise, Efron... I am not so sure about.

I respect those men who take the gay rumors and go with it. Kevin Bacon, Channing Tatum, Ryan Reynolds, Matt Damon to name a few. It is the ones who file law suits that bother me.

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Quoting seb146 (Reply 29):
Truvada has been show very effective as a preemptive treatment. Nothing is 100% but, probably gay men read such wonderful things about Truvada and PReP and get the idea they are invincible.

Indeed, but I was actually referring to the mentality that some seem to have for people who are already infected. Just "pop 'a' pill, and it's like nothing's even happened."  
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:53 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):
Just curious, what's the source for your quote?

NZ Herald.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 26):
I suspect there is a huge amount of pressure from some in the media to put out the name of the alleged person, perhaps to save potential victims

I think it's in the public interest to out this person, if it is someone who has slept with hundreds of women as implied, then these women slept with other dudes we could be talking potentially thousands of people in the shitter.

I'm sure many will be lawyering up, as well.
 
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Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 31):

I think it's in the public interest to out this person, if it is someone who has slept with hundreds of women as implied, then these women slept with other dudes we could be talking potentially thousands of people in the shitter.

To be more accurate... it's in the public interest that all of the aforementioned idiots had had enough common sense to be using protection.

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Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:23 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 21):
Bill Cosby

Oh him. I thought about that too, but was thrown off by the "multiple NBC series" since I'd forgotten about I, Spy. You're right, he hasn't been convicted of anything, but if those allegations are true, it's quite sad when you consider the depths of his depravity.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 30):
Indeed, but I was actually referring to the mentality that some seem to have for people who are already infected. Just "pop 'a' pill, and it's like nothing's even happened."

  

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 32):
To be more accurate... it's in the public interest that all of the aforementioned idiots had had enough common sense to be using protection.

At the end of the day, they have no one to blame but themselves.

I tend to agree with you. It's absolutely true that HIV is simply not as prevalent in much of the straight community as in the gay community. However, a lot of straight people have got to be better about condom use. They worry about pregnancy, which is understandable, and believe that since the woman is on the pill, they don't have to worry about using condoms. Mistakes happen, and I don't think you can point to a single person, gay or straight, who's used condoms 100% of the time, but with a lot of straight men I know, condoms are the exception, not the rule.
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:49 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 24):
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 22):
Go to a blood drive and one of the questions asked is if you have had sexual contact with another man at least once since 1977. Ask the nurse why they're asking this (or google it)

Not exactly the same thing, in my view. If one group is at higher risk for something, it makes sense to ask about it at a blood drive.

But it is. Women who have sex with women are not barred from donating. A guy that admits to getting laid with various other women is at high risk, yet he's not barred from donating. Nor is a woman who gets laid with men.

Sexual activity is sexual activity. Mouth to anus, mouth to genitalia, genitalia to anus, genitalia to genitalia. Two men that are in a monogamous relationship, have tested negative for STDs, and use protection are barred from donating. Two women in the same circumstances are allowed to donate, however. A male or female prostitute can donate as well, no ifs, ands, or buts about it (until HIV is detected).

Why is the monogamous male relationship a higher risk activity than the male/female prostitute?

Answer: it's not. So if blood is screened for HIV anyway there's no point in excluding this group.

Hence, that's why HIV is seen as a gay thing. If the FDA itself hasn't changed its stance to allow them to donate because they are at higher risk to contract HIV then the mentality will not change either.
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Quoting OA412 (Reply 33):
I don't think you can point to a single person, gay or straight, who's used condoms 100% of the time

Not true at all. I most certainly CAN point to one: me.
Not because I'm some paragon of morality-- far from it.

I'm just wayyyyyy too freakin' paranoid (about the combo of disease + hygiene) to have ever done so without one. Ever. Since age 14.

I use to get made fun of in the '80s for it. Many of them are dead now.  
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Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:14 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Thread starter):
people still see aids as a gay problem not something that can get anyone.

You can't fix up the views of dumb/religious people with facts.
Just doesn't work that way.

HIV never was a "gays only" problem.
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Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:52 pm

Charlie Sheen makes the most sense. Drugs abusing whore poker.

Could explain his implosion a while back.


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Could explain his implosion a while back.

How?
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:34 pm

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 37):

Charlie Sheen makes the most sense. Drugs abusing whore poker.

It's official. It's Charlie. Mandatory.com says so, but their source is the National Enquirer. But then again, the Daily Mail also picked it up so it MUST be true!
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:52 pm

Yep, it's up on a few websites now, shame, from my limited interactions with him he is a great guy, but man if you party as hard as him there are going to be repercussions.
 
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 39):
but their source is the National Enquirer

I'm not as inclined to automatically dismiss them anymore... IIRC, they've had several recent scoops lately where they've turned out to be correct.
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:42 pm

CONFIRMED: it's Charlie.

He's set to go public with it.
It's all over the airwaves now.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...positive-sources-article-1.2436556
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Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:31 am

It's going to happen when you choose to live that type of lifestyle.

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Quoting WIederling (Reply 36):
neither was it the "WASP GOD"s fix for homosexuality.

You wouldn't know it though, based on how so many politicians (both on the right AND left) reacted to it in the '80s...

...it was only killing prostitutes, drug addicts, and gays.
That was a trifecta, as far as they were concerned.

They most certainly DID treat it as "God's judgment," and some still do.
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Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:25 am

Apparently Charlie Sheen will acknowledge as to being HIV positive tomorrow (Tuesday) on the NBC network's Today show. I wonder how this came about, if any money involved and for NBC it will be a ratings coup during a 'sweeps month' as has this exclusive.

Yes, many will blame Charlie Sheen for his behaviors and lifestyle for becoming infected and indeed it is likely a huge factor. He was known to have bragged about sex with prostitutes and porn stars.and it was part of his storyline in Two and A Half Men. Still, some may get infected with HIV/AIDS it with only a few partners, some only after 100's. There is also the transference by use of shared needles usually due to illegal drug use. Becoming infected by blood products is almost nil today. Most likely he became infected after his marriage to Denise Richards ended in 2006 as apparently said per several new news reports say neither she nor are the children they had together are HIV positive. Apparently per TMZ,a least one lawsuit by a former sexual partner triggered his outing, he has been hiding it for several years and finally he just couldn't buy out this woman.

Sadly Charlie Sheen' shows, especially Two and A Half Men, seemed to be too much like his own life, I stopped watching it years ago as his over the top character became tiring to watch. Some have wondered if his dropping out of the show may have connections to finding out he was HIV positive. As I suggested in a previous post, it also could have been discovered in a physical exam where a studio or production company seeing life insurance or a performance bond to protect their payments to him if died or got sick. I wonder if syndication of 'Two' will be ended or suspended, and future shows will be more careful in portraying promiscuous lifestyles.

I do hope he turns his experience in future years to be a lesson as to the dangers of promiscuous lifestyles, unsafe sex, abuse of alcohol and drugs.
 
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Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:14 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 45):
Still, some may get infected with HIV/AIDS it with only a few partners, some only after 100's

Only takes one...


Quoting ltbewr (Reply 45):
I do hope he turns his experience in future years to be a lesson as to the dangers of promiscuous lifestyles, unsafe sex, abuse of alcohol and drugs.

In a sense, hoping he becomes the White/Latino Magic Johnson.... as now, very people people will not be able to say that they don't know anyone white and/or latino, plus heterosexual, who's living with HIV.

Maybe it'll raise awareness, and save others from such.
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RE: Let The Speculation Begin!

Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:32 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 44):
They most certainly DID treat it as "God's judgment," and some still do.

It is the standard janitors "me and the Director have decided..." quip when the boss is away  

( Problem with all those theic religions: their god is always away and the janitors have the say.)
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RE: Let The Speculation Begin!

Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:31 pm

Quoting WIederling (Reply 47):
It is the standard janitors "me and the Director have decided..." quip when the boss is away
( Problem with all those theic religions: their god is always away and the janitors have the say.)

I have no idea what you just said.   
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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RE: Let The Speculation Begin!

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:36 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 38):
How?

I think he pretty much covered it himself. That whole breakdown was due to him finding out.
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