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US Presidential Election - Part 2

Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:47 pm

Continue the discussion from part 1 here.

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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:11 pm

One thing that has struck me is the way the Democrat debates have been so calm and so mutually respectful, while the GOP ones have been like a show of "The Thirteen Stooges" (or however many we are at now).

Yes, Mr. Sanders and Mr. O'Malley both took some serious digs at Mrs. Clinton's policies and past votes, but they were very professional about a professional matter. I get the sense that Mr. Sanders genuinely respects his two competitors and that the reverse is true, as well.

I also take heart in the idea that the three of them agree on most principles. Makes me feel like I'm not choosing angel vs. devil.
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:27 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
One thing that has struck me is the way the Democrat debates have been so calm and so mutually respectful, while the GOP ones have been like a show of "The Thirteen Stooges" (or however many we are at now).

Agreed, but ya know what's sad? ....sooooo many people don't understand that that's what a debate is supposed to be, and not a "reality" show with fighting and sophomoric quips.

I'm terribly dismayed by the number of people I've seen saying things like "turning off the Dem debate, it's so boring" or "who's watching debate, when there's football?" or other such statements.

While I realize that my own experiences with my own little circle of acquaintances is not representative of the whole, I do sorta fear that it might be reflective.

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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:39 am

All I want is a Trump vs. Sanders showdown with Sanders winning. IMO the only other democrat capable of winning is Clinton, but if she gets elected, nothing will change. She's too deep in the rectum of various big funders.


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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:48 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 2):
sooooo many people don't understand that that's what a debate is supposed to be, and not a "reality" show with fighting and sophomoric quips.

My guess is that they want a livelier debate, not to the extent of the GOP, but if I believe my plan is better than yours and you're pitching yours while criticizing mine, I have the right to respond AND point out why yours is wrong and mine is right. That's not what we're seeing with the Democrats who pretty much are in line with most topics. In essence, they're just pitching their campaigns on the debate stage.
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:52 am

It appears as though Bobby Jindal has officially announced he is dropping out of the race for the GOP presidential nomination. Not really surprising, though it would be nice for a few more candidates to drop out soon.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/us...obby-jindal-presidential-race.html
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:02 am

Piyush Jindal is out!

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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:23 am

Quoting Adipasquale (Reply 5):
It appears as though Bobby Jindal has officially announced he is dropping out of the race for the GOP presidential nominatio

It's so infuriating. He completely sold out his state, for nothing.... and anyone with even half a brain could see it coming.

The worst thing to EVER happen to Louisiana-- and yes, I'm including Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, and Camille, as well as the BP oil spill. Jindal is the WORST thing imaginable.
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:04 pm

I've never felt that Sanders had a chance, but I'm now thinking that O'Malley may well turn out to be a very good VP candidate. He's articulate and will be a strong national campaigner with the backing of the party.
 
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:30 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8):
but I'm now thinking that O'Malley may well turn out to be a very good VP candidate.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks so. However, if Clinton is the nominee, Julian Castro would be THE pick if she truly wants to lock up the Democrat base. O'Malley, unfortunately, has baggage for the Baltimore riots and saying "All lives matter" (which I agree with, but may hurt Clinton). Maybe when Biden was in the race...but now, he'll be a liability.

However, I believe there may be room for O'Malley in a Clinton administration. I'm just trying to find out where...likewise, I think Sanders can play a role in a Clinton administration. Maybe Treasury Secretary? I would say Clinton could play a role, but she has ruled out serving in politics unless she gets the office of POTUS. A return to the State Department or UN Ambassador in a Sander's administration could have been in order for her IMO.
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:57 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 9):
However, if Clinton is the nominee, Julian Castro would be THE pick if she truly wants to lock up the Democrat base

Agree 100% She's going to take one of the Castro twins.
She's been not-so-secretly courting (and IMO, grooming) them since 2013.

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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:40 pm

I am now convinced after watching more and more of the campaign that the GOP nominee is going to either be Rubio or Cruz despite Carson and Trump being the front runners. With what happened in Paris, Carson's lack of a grasp of foreign policy will bite him and he will drop. I doubt his supporters will go to trump as the types of voters backing Carson will be more likely to back Cruz or Rubio. Trump as is is slipping in the polls and honestly is saying stuff that I think is crazy.

As for VP candidates, Castro would be an interesting pick for Clinton, but I am not sure what he brings to the ticket. Texas is not going Blue anytime soon and Castro is not the guy that would help Hillary court the center especially with her drifting more and more left. A better pick for Hillary IMO would be someone like Amy Klobuchar or Evan Bayh. That being said I do think she will go Left with the VP pick and try to court the left.

On the GOP side, I see Nikki Haley and Susanna Martinez as two picks who would be great. Both are governors and Haley was praised for her handling of the confederate flag issue. Both are minorities as well. If Martinez is the pick you could have an all Hispanic ticket on the GOP side.

One thing to keep an eye on. There is a small possibility that Hillary gets indicted after locking up the nomination. If she is indicted before the convention, how do the delegates handle it. I know the chance is remote, but it could happen.

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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:59 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 9):
I think Sanders can play a role in a Clinton administration.

He may want to stay in the Senate where his influence can only be increased.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8):
Maybe Treasury Secretary?

Not a chance. Best bet would be the EPA which is why the Senate probably looks better

Quoting apodino (Reply 11):
the GOP nominee is going to either be Rubio or Cruz despite Carson and Trump being the front runners.

Cruz is a no hoper - the guy is worse than Trump or even (gag) Carson.

The best bet for the GOP in terms of winning is Bush as he is far more reasonable than Rubio or Cruz or Carson or Trump.

Rubio is only at a VP level now and, if he can't stand the Senate, I doubt that he could stand being VP.

Quoting apodino (Reply 11):
One thing to keep an eye on. There is a small possibility that Hillary gets indicted after locking up the nomination. If she is indicted before the convention, how do the delegates handle it. I know the chance is remote, but it could happen.

If it did happen I believe that there would be a serious investigation into who pulled the levers. Just like the unclassified emails that "suddenly" had come Confidential material in them. Who made that decision? And how far right are they politically.
 
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:40 pm

Quoting Adipasquale (Reply 5):
It appears as though Bobby Jindal has officially announced he is dropping out of the race for
the GOP presidential nomination.
http://youtu.be/rY0WxgSXdEE

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 12):
He may want to stay in the Senate where his influence can only be increased.

Perhaps, with most projections indicating that the Democrats will likely win the Senate back 2016 (too many Republican seats are up for grabs), he should hang and fight. It could be the reason why Elizabeth Warren decided not to jump into the Presidential race despite a noticeable amount of support. But then again, I really don't know how much influence one senator can have on the congressional process.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 12):
The best bet for the GOP in terms of winning is Bush as he is far more reasonable

Have you been paying attention to Jeb? The man is a bumbling idiot and with each passing day makes his older brother look like the smarter of the two (which is difficult to do, mind you). To top it off, he appears to be more enthusiastic about going to the dentist than he does continuing this campaign (which it never seemed like he wanted to be a part of in the first place).

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 12):
Cruz is a no hoper - the guy is worse than Trump or even (gag) Carson.

He's a terrible person (if he even qualifies as human - that is still up for debate), but he has a lot of money behind him and can stick around after Carson/Trump make the inevitable killer gaffe.


Quoting Ken777 (Reply 12):
Rubio is only at a VP level now and, if he can't stand the Senate, I doubt that he could stand being VP

I think Rubio scares me the least out of all the GOP hopefulls in the sense that I would think he'd do the least amount of harm in the unlikely event this country is dumb enough to vote for a Republican president.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 10):
Agree 100% She's going to take one of the Castro twins.

If she is going to take the Castro twins, then why have they taken a media backseat to other prominent Democrats the last 6 months? It's like they've been placed in Witness Protection since 2015 began.
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:54 pm

Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 13):
I really don't know how much influence one senator can have on the congressional process.

I believe that influential, respected Senators can have an influence. Look at McCain & Kennedy. Sanders might not be at that level, but this campaign has brought him into the media and he will continue to be a voice.

Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 13):
He's a terrible person (if he even qualifies as human - that is still up for debate), but he has a lot of money behind him and can stick around after Carson/Trump make the inevitable killer gaffe.

Cruz has too many nasty comments in his history - the Democrats will have a field day with very destructive ads.

Trump has some baggage but he has the money to go after anyone.

Carson is close to a 9-9-9 decline.
 
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:35 pm

Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 13):
then why have they taken a media backseat to other prominent Democrats the last 6 months? It's like they've been placed in Witness Protection since 2015 began.

Maybe it's so they don't say anything stupid and deep-six their chances at the VP nomination. Sometimes it's better to say nothing than something dumb. I'm not sure I totally believe this answer myself, but it is at least one explanation.
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:12 am

Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 13):
The man is a bumbling idiot and with each passing day makes his older brother look like the smarter of the two (which is difficult to do, mind you).

  
IMO, his campaign was over way back when he fumbled the "Knowing what we know now...." question.

How the hell can you screw that up, when your last name is Bush, you're running for President, and you've had 12yrs to consider it????



Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 13):
after Carson/Trump make the inevitable killer gaffe.

Is such a thing possible?
We've been waiting for it since July/August, and it hasn't come.

I mean, in what other election has the general discourse been:
CARSON: "I tried to kill someone, and assaulted my mother"
MEDIA: "No you didn't!"
CARSON: "Yes I did!"
REPUBLICAN AUDIENCE: *cheeeeeer!*


Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 13):
why have they taken a media backseat to other prominent Democrats the last 6 months? It's like they've been placed in Witness Protection since 2015 began.

And you think that's a bad thing, strategically???

There's no need to have a (non-running) VP in the spotlight until after the party nomination. Nothing good can come of it. The more she can keep them out of the spotlight (assuming she's behind such), the better.


Quoting Adipasquale (Reply 15):
Maybe it's so they don't say anything stupid and deep-six their chances at the VP nomination

  
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:11 am

The candidates on both sides consist of reality show contestants with loser qualities. To the point of comical.

For the Dems, wow, what a choice: Hillary the shrew, Bernie the socialist eccentric codger and my former governor,Martin "Tommy Carcetti" O'Malley.
On the GOP side they each have their good and bad qualities and comical relief. It would be nice if Carly went away and please oh please not another Bush. A Bush Clinton election match would be like choosing between S.O.S. or creamed corn!   
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:48 am

Quoting apodino (Reply 11):
I am now convinced after watching more and more of the campaign that the GOP nominee is going to either be Rubio or Cruz

I think Rubio has to be the considered the front runner on the GOP side when it gets serious - it's silly season now. Cruz is un-electable. If he did get the GOP nod, the Dems could nominate a Golden Retriever and win the general election.

Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 13):
To top it off, he appears to be more enthusiastic about going to the dentist than he does continuing this campaign (which it never seemed like he wanted to be a part of in the first place).

Yeah, that's what I take away from watching Jeb, like he doesn't really want to be there.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 17):
It would be nice if Carly went away

Saw a great meme the other day where she was made up to be Cruella Deville from 101 Dalmations - LMAO, it was a perfect description of her
 
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:58 am

Not gon' lie, I'd LOVEEEE to see a debate between Carly and Hillary.

Chicks fight with no holds barred... and no one could give either one of them shit about "beating up on a woman" or such.

It'd be one for the record books!  Wow!
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:06 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 19):

Wench vs. Wench Coming to a theatre near you!

How about Trump vs. Bernie: When N.Y. accents go bad!
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:43 pm

Quoting ER757 (Reply 18):

I think Rubio has to be the considered the front runner on the GOP side when it gets serious - it's silly season now. Cruz is un-electable. If he did get the GOP nod, the Dems could nominate a Golden Retriever and win the general election.


I don't think Cruz is unelectable with any of the democrats left in the race being who they are and especially after Paris but I do agree that Rubio is probably going to be the guy at the end.

I was thinking about potential cabinets. If Hillary is elected I see it this way. Treasury will be someone from Wall Street, possibly from Goldman Sachs or even Jamie Dimon. Defense is interesting, if Mark Kirk does get reflected in Illinois, Tammy Duckworth makes a lot of sense here. If she is elected to the senate, Hillary could go with Wesley Clark. State is probably the most important one. I honestly don't know how she would go on this. Possibly a Senator with foreign policy credentials. And Justice is another interesting one. I will go with an out of left field prediction and name Wendy Davis.

The GOP is more interesting. If Trump is nominated and elected then he will do everything he can to put Carl Icahn at treasury, and you will see a lot of non establishment names in other positions. If a more traditional candidate such as Cruz or Rubio is elected, I see it this way. Mitt Romney will end up at Treasury. At State the guy a lot of people in the GOP would like to see would be John Bolton. However if the democrats take the senate he won't get confirmed. Then I see someone along the lines of maybe a Giulianni or a senator. At Defense I would envision either McCain or Lindsey Graham, who both are very knowledgeable in this area. And at Justice I can see Chris Christie becoming AG. He had a great record as a prosecutor and U.S. Attorney before he became governor and his blunt style is perfect for that department.
 
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:15 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 11):
If Martinez is the pick you could have an all Hispanic ticket on the GOP side.

Except Martinez is also becoming a liability after news broke out of investigations into Martinez's campaign. A better pick for an all-Hispanic ticket is Brian Sandoval. No doubt Nevada would grant its 6 votes to the GOP for the sake of having Sandoval there. It remains to be seen if he wants the job though. He was considered the front-runner for NV's open seat next year and he's passed. Maybe he'll wait until 2020, when he's no longer governor.
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:19 pm

I still find it amazing that you can have a big opposition-controlled Congress like VP Bush did in 1988 and still get elected. Of course he had to thank the Dukakis campaign for falling apart.

After watching the 1988 Democratic Convention most thought Dukakis would win in a cakewalk.

Then there was Nixon in early 1970's who survived a big Democratic Congress through voter manipulation and dirty politics.

Of course it all led to Watergate...

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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:30 am

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 23):
After watching the 1988 Democratic Convention most thought Dukakis would win in a cakewalk.

That is typical after a political convention. Dukakis really lost the election when he was ridiculed riding in a tank with the tank Captain's helmet on. The ironic thing is that Dukakis actually served in the Army after graduating college and was stationed in South Korea. The GOP did a pretty good job of covering up his military past
in order to make him look like a fool.

BTW, after his military service he graduated from Harvard Law School.
 
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Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:26 pm

If this doesn't sink Trump I don't know what will.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p...-mocking-reporter-with-disability/
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Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:46 pm

The trio at the top of the GOP polls are an embarrassment. What has Fox News done to America?

Between Carson, Trump and Cruz - I'm shocked to say that Trump is the most rational. Scary, isn't it?

How can 60%+ of republicans want one of these as their next president?
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Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:03 pm

Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 13):
Carson/Trump make the inevitable killer gaffe.

Carson is done but I don't know you are going to sink Trump as the GOP base will not consider a candidate that will be able to grab the independent vote.

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 23):
I still find

it amazing that you can have a big opposition-controlled Congress like VP Bush did in 1988 and still get elected. Of course he had to thank the Dukakis campaign for falling apart.

One big thing on this. The Willie Horton add, which was the first time swift boating was used in a campaign.

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 25):
If this doesn't sink Trump I don't know what will.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p...-mocking-reporter-with-disability/

Not going to happen. Here are a list of things he has said and his poll numbers have either remained the same or gone up.

- Mexicans send their drug dealers and rapists and keep the good ones at home.
- John McCain is not a war hero because he was captured, I like people who weren't captured.
- The Megyn Kelly line where he did insinuate that it was that time of the month for her
- Saying that he would listen in on mosques and demand Muslims to carry registration cards. Blatantly unconstitutional and very Hitler-esque.
- Encouraging a protester at one of his rallies to get roughed up and saying he is going to have the press watched at his events. Adding to that he did throw out a uni-vision reporter.
- This event

Look I get it, people are frustrated in America but how is putting someone like Donald Trump in the White House going to solve anything? He may be a successful businessman but how is he going to work with a congress that he can't control (granted Obama hasn't been stellar either), and the senate is likely to go back to the democrats in 2016. In business you get to call the shots and unless the company is public you can do what you want. Furthermore The POTUS also has less domestic power than head of states in parliamentary run countries as they lead the caucus that has the most seats and in the US the legislative branch makes the laws and the president signs off on them or vetoes them. Trump does have some good economic ideas but how is he going to get them through a congress that is bought and paid for by people much richer than him. You want to fix America's problems get money out of politics.

Also part of electing a leader is putting up the best spokeperson for your country up on the world stage and the rah rah antics of Trump is simply going to get him laughed at on the world stage. Despite what right wing media tells you in the States Obama is hugely respected internationally and the civilized world view of strength is diplomacy and restraint.

We will see how things progress and if he does in fact get the nomination and it will be very interesting to see if he tones it down when going up with against Hillary or Bernie. His saving grace is that everyone else in the GOP race is either too establishment or just plain crazy.
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:42 pm

Kinda off-topic, but I had an interesting discussion with a friend of a friend today at a dinner. Essentially a 3rd friend asks someone in front of me which candidate she supports (she claims she votes for the party, not people). This was how the discussion ended up (my reaction in italics):

Friend: Well I'm a Republican so please don't judge (I won't judge if you don't but let's see just what kind of Republican you are) but I like Carly Fiorina, Ben Carson, and Marco Rubio. Rubio's cute, though I shouldn't be voting by looks, but he knows about economics so that makes him stand out more (the guy knows as much about economics as I know about medicine). I like Fiorina because she's a woman (that's it?), and I like Ben Carson because of his faith (oh boy, this should be good). I think it's important that this nation is brought back to what the immigrants wanted it to be: a Christian nation (you totally lost me here) and I don't think Obama has done much. He claims to be Christian but doesn't show it and doesn't want to call out Muslim extremism for what it is (neither did Bush, but continue), opting instead to be politically correct, and I think Dr. Carson is well rooted in his faith and won't be afraid to call them out. That and the fact that his faith is really strong, especially being from a scientific background where you have to question everything. Oh, and I like Trump too (I'm done here) but I think his rhetoric is pushing it too far. At first it was OK (seriously?)but now it's turning people off. </end>

All this time I was quiet, just nodding as if I agreed. You guys have no idea how much I wanted to seriously debate her, but I took the high road and let her do what she wanted. The conversation quickly shifted to other things (thanks to a baby with a dirty diaper).
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:54 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 11):

I am now convinced after watching more and more of the campaign that the GOP nominee is going to either be Rubio or Cruz despite Carson and Trump being the front runners.

If it's not Mr. Trump, he'll run as an independent. He pledged he wouldn't but that means nothing.

He is still polling higher than any other candidate.

For about eight months now, posters on this site have been predicting the imminent demise of Mr. Trump. He's been called a "flash in the pan" and a bunch of other things. Meanwhile...

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 27):
Here are a list of things he has said and his poll numbers have either remained the same or gone up.

- Mexicans send their drug dealers and rapists and keep the good ones at home.
- John McCain is not a war hero because he was captured, I like people who weren't captured.
- The Megyn Kelly line where he did insinuate that it was that time of the month for her
- Saying that he would listen in on mosques and demand Muslims to carry registration cards. Blatantly unconstitutional and very Hitler-esque.
- Encouraging a protester at one of his rallies to get roughed up and saying he is going to have the press watched at his events. Adding to that he did throw out a uni-vision reporter.
- This event

So how many more times is he going to fail to "flash in the pan"? Huh?

Here's a dose of relity: Mr. Trump is what the plurality GOP voter wants in 2015. Yes, folks, this is the 2015 GOP.

So if you're a previously GOP voter and you're disgusted with what's going on, then here's an idea: Time to stop being GOP. The GOP has been completely hijacked by an extremist element that literally wants to make some religious minorities wear badges and perhaps round them up and put them in concentration camps. They literally want to shut down houses of worship. I haven't heard about public burnings of the Q'uran yet, but I'm sure that's part of the general plan. Godwin would love it, but this isn't Godwin's law. This is reality.

You have some options. First of all, just because she's a Clinton and is running as a Democrat doesn't mean that Mrs. Clinton isn't a center-right candidate. Yes, she is actually center-right. She falls right around where Mr. Obama does.

Second, if you can't stomach that thought you could try voting for a libertarian candidate. But the current GOP has gone full potato on the Presidential level.

Back in 2007, Pat Robertson (of all people) cautioned the GOP candidates that if they said things that were too extreme during the primaries, it would come back to bite them in the general election. He was right. But now, eight years later, the things they said back then wouldn't hold a candle to what is being said now.
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:35 pm

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 27):
Adding to that he did throw out a uni-vision reporter.

Well, we can debate about the Univision reporter. If Jorge Ramos (the reporter in question) had been called on, asked the question and Trump asked to have him thrown out, I would definitely be completely against Trump in this case, but Ramos interrupted, wasn't called on, and kept insisting. That showed poor judgement and professionalism from his part and only gave Trump ammo to say "You see what I told you about Mexicans?".

It's a similar incident to when a reporter interrupted Obama in the middle of a speech and then Obama called him out.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
Here's a dose of relity: Mr. Trump is what the plurality GOP voter wants in 2015. Yes, folks, this is the 2015 GOP.

The primaries are still two months away. A lot can change. Ben Carson was the fall flavor and he's dipping in the polls. Cruz and Rubio are the winter flavors it seems. I don't predict Trump's demise, but I don't predict his invincibility either.
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:12 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
For about eight months now, posters on this site have been predicting the imminent demise of Mr. Trump.

I was certainly one of those - still am to a degree. I contend that when it really gets down to it and people actually cast ballots in the primaries, common sense will prevail and all these buffoons (Trump, Carson, Fiorina, Cruz, etc) will be relegated to the clown car from whence they came. Maybe I am giving American voters more credit than they deserve. I do know this, if Trump were to be the GOP nominee, the landslide in the general election for the Dems would make the ones suffered by the likes Goldwater, McGovern and Dukakis seem like nail-biters
 
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:46 pm

Quoting ER757 (Reply 31):
Maybe I am giving American voters more credit than they deserve. I do know this, if Trump were to be the GOP nominee, the landslide in the general election for the Dems would make the ones suffered by the likes Goldwater, McGovern and Dukakis seem like nail-biters

I'm not convinced there will be a landslide again for two reasons: the GOP propoganda machine (Faux News) and the Electoral college. If the Democrats end up nominating Hillary, the Republican hatred towards her is so strong that they would vote for a dead tree stump instead of her, so who the GOP nominates is mostly irrelevant. Faux News will gladly prop up whoever does win the GOP nomination as the great savior to the US and paint Hillary or Bernie as the anti-Christ devil - and naturally, the rest of the media is too lazy and too money driven to call out the BS on it. The collective media in this country is as much fault for polarizing the USA into collective stupidity as as any other reason.

Also, as long as the Electoral College is still a thing, only 5 states are going to decide the election going forward, essentially making any landslide impossible. Now, if we wised up, got rid of the Electoral College and went to a straight popular vote like just about any other meaningful election in our country and the rest of the world, then any Democrat would wipe out any Republican.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
Here's a dose of relity: Mr. Trump is what the plurality GOP voter wants in 2015. Yes, folks, this is the 2015 GOP.

   - the GOP base has crapped in their own bed and they have only themselves to blame for how foolish they are.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 28):
All this time I was quiet, just nodding as if I agreed

I think the time for politeness is political conversations is over. We need to educate low information voters on just how much harm they are doing by voting for the modern day Republican. I wished you would have called her out on her nonsense.
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:39 pm

I suspect that if you asked the average American 10 years ago if they thought they would ever see the day where a candidate for POTUS ran a campaign where they:

- Openly mocked a person with a disability.
- Denigrated women.
- Called for registration and databases based on religion.
- Presented bogus stats and information from his 'experts'
- Blatantly lied

...that they would call you foolish. And, yet, here we are.

I don't know how any self respecting, decent, conservative with a mother/sister/wife or friend/family member who is disabled could bring themselves to vote for him. Yet, I fear, there will be many conservatives that, out of pure partisan instincts, will twist themselves into ethical and moral pretzels to justify supporting him.

The GOP is facing an existential crisis and the USA has major pressing issues.. and all the leader of the pack can do is b*tch about the NYT and tell us how great he is. And the people eat it up. I just don't get it.
 
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:49 pm

Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 32):
Also, as long as the Electoral College is still a thing, only 5 states are going to decide the election going forward, essentially making any landslide impossible.

If a party sweeps all swing states and manages to flip any other states, there is still a landslide possibility. Obama won with 365 votes his first time: swept all swing states and flipped Indiana. Missouri was the next one on the list and he seriously contested it.

The Democrats also start out at an advantage. Assume the current predictions stand and none of the states are flipped: Democrats start out with 247 votes vs 206 for the Republicans (these include safe, likely, lean, and tilt). Democrats only need to win Florida or both Ohio and Virginia and they win the presidency.

Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 32):
I wished you would have called her out on her nonsense.

It wasn't my place to call her out unfortunately. It wasn't my home, her husband was there, and I wasn't gonna ruin an otherwise pleasant Thanksgiving dinner (and possibly sever friendships) over a political disagreement. Is she wrong? Probably. Lucky for me I'm moving out of Missouri. The state's right leaning is becoming more evident by the day so she should feel right at home. I'll go to a more sane state.
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:51 pm

Interesting take on Trump's polling and how representative poll numbers are of the voting population at large.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...ing-out-about-donald-trumps-polls/
 
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:08 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 30):
Well, we can debate about the Univision reporter. If Jorge Ramos (the reporter in question) had been called on, asked the question and Trump asked to have him thrown out, I would definitely be completely against Trump in this case, but Ramos interrupted, wasn't called on, and kept insisting. That showed poor judgement and professionalism from his part and only gave Trump ammo to say "You see what I told you about Mexicans?".

It's a similar incident to when a reporter interrupted Obama in the middle of a speech and then Obama called him out.

Fair point.

However has Obama ever told a member of the press to get out of here?

Quoting ER757 (Reply 31):
Maybe I am giving American voters more credit than they deserve. I do know this, if Trump were to be the GOP nominee, the landslide in the general election for the Dems would make the ones suffered by the likes Goldwater, McGovern and Dukakis seem like nail-biters

You are giving the voters more credit than they do deserve. They need these drawn out campaigns for a reason and the media is essentially TMZ Politics and don't care about anything else but ratings. Check out this Bill Maher commentary about it. The main argument if the US had an official 6 week campaign like other developed nations Trump would have won in a landslide.

Clip below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KQPc_iFTko

Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 32):
I'm not convinced there will be a landslide again for two reasons: the GOP propoganda machine (Faux News) and the Electoral college.

Yet Obama took the them to task in two elections where the best GOP candidate of the field was nominated each time. The reality is that the GOP ideas suck above all else and democrats win when they don't act like GOP light and hopefully Hillary isn't that stupid.

Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 32):
. If the Democrats end up nominating Hillary, the Republican hatred towards her is so strong that they would vote for a dead tree stump instead of her, so who the GOP nominates is mostly irrelevant. Faux News will gladly prop up whoever does win the GOP nomination as the great savior to the US and paint Hillary or Bernie as the anti-Christ devil - and naturally, the rest of the media is too lazy and too money driven to call out the BS on it.

Conservative media always does the same thing and Obama was able to beat them twice (do they hate the woman more than the black man?). I know the GOP likes to think differently but going to the right isn't going to help you nationally because doubling down on Reaganomics isn't going to work anymore. The only thing the GOP is the religious pandering and that can backfire getting many young people and women out to vote to protect their interests.

I don't know if you paid any attention to Canada's election in October. The centrist liberal party won because they were bold in their ideas, they actually proposed raising taxes on the highest earners, running deficits in the next few years, and tackling climate change. Now the left wing party the NDP got their butts handed to them because they insisted on a surplus and went on the attack of the new guy on the scene Justin Trudeau. The end result the Liberals won an unexpected majority.

People know what ideas they will vote on but they also like winners and confidence.

Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 32):
The collective media in this country is as much fault for polarizing the USA into collective stupidity as as any other reason.

   Here is the fact on this matter.

The media is corporate owned and like any publicly traded corporation they only care about their profits for the next quarter. This means playing it safe and do everything to maximize revenue and profit. Someone like Wolf Blitzer on CNN absolutely disgusts me because he is a moron whom won't stir the pot with anyone out of fear of actually being the media and calling politicians and other leaders on their crap as they once did. As I said before they are TMZ politics and won't challenge Trump or anyone else because if they do they will complain and their ratings will drop.

Fox simply doesn't give a crap and will spew whatever they want and that is actually more honorable to me and why it works.
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:08 pm

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 36):
Someone like Wolf Blitzer on CNN absolutely disgusts me because he is a moron whom won't stir the pot with anyone out of fear of actually being the media and calling politicians and other leaders on their crap as they once did.

There is reason behind this. CNN is traditionally the most unbiased news source in the U.S. Some on the right will say that CNN promotes a liberal agenda but in reality CNN does an excellent job putting the two sides out there, to them anything that doesn't promote the extreme conservative agenda and only that agenda (Fox News) is liberal media.
A sad downside to this is because CNN is unbiased it also always gets them dead last in 3rd place in terms of viewership in cable news. What does this say about people? It says they WANT bias.
The other day I was talking to a friend of mine regarding our preferred news sources, he told me his were Fox and MSNBC and said he can't watch CNN because it's ultimately boring, therefore adding evidence to my theory.
Ironically Wolf, is essentially the only anchor on the network that can sometimes come off as left leaning (his interview with trump a couple years back for example) but him along with the others keep it contained.
However on AC360 last night Anderson attacked trump but let's be real, that man deserves to be attacked.
 
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:07 am

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 37):
What does this say about people? It says they WANT bias.

      

And, as is the same case with coach flyers in aviation-- they often aren't even aware of what they actually want:
their ACTIONS in almost total opposition with what they CLAIM to desire.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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RE: US Presidential Election - Part 2

Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:08 am

Also, speaking of CNN... Trump's now trying to extort them for $5Million, claiming that it will go to charitable services.

I am VERY much hoping that they call his bluff.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil

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