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Cruz Calls For Carpet Bombing Of Isis

Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:47 pm

I was listening to an NPR interview with Ted Cruz yesterday where he called for the carpet bombing of ISIS. He cited figures about the amount of bombs dropped in the war against Iraq and compared them to the amount of bombs dropped against ISIS targets implying that the current bombing campaign against ISIS is pretty feeble.

Asked what he would specifically target he responded "ISIS".

Does the man not understand the difference between bombing an established country with fixed military installations, armored columns, fixed positions, aircraft, and warships, and bombing a bunch of guys with machine guns, RPGs, and Toyota pickups?

I think carpet bombing ISIS is a most excellent idea. However given that ISIS is scattered throughout many densely populated cities, how do you do this without killing hundreds of thousands of civilians?

To his credit, he did admit that there would be some civilian casualties.
 
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RE: Cruz Calls For Carpet Bombing Of Isis

Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:57 pm

Quoting victrola (Thread starter):
To his credit, he did admit that there would be some civilian casualties.

Which shows you just how much he and many of his colleagues value life. Those civilians are essentially collateral damage; if a few hundred die just to nab a dozen, then so be it. And enter the never-ending cycle, with ISIS rallying support from more Muslims, depicting the US-led coalition bombing civilians, which means more ISIS targets, more carpet bombing, etc.
 
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RE: Cruz Calls For Carpet Bombing Of Isis

Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:00 pm

Quoting victrola (Thread starter):
Asked what he would specifically target he responded "ISIS".

There's the first clue that he hasn't got one. A clue, that is.

Quoting victrola (Thread starter):
I think carpet bombing ISIS is a most excellent idea.

Yeah, because it's always worked before, hasn't it?

Quoting victrola (Thread starter):
However given that ISIS is scattered throughout many densely populated cities, how do you do this without killing hundreds of thousands of civilians?

You can't.

Quoting victrola (Thread starter):
To his credit, he did admit that there would be some civilian casualties.

Throw him a donut!

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 1):
Which shows you just how much he and many of his colleagues value life.

These would be 'brown lives', living in a country far, far away. They don't count.

[Edited 2015-12-10 11:01:43]

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RE: Cruz Calls For Carpet Bombing Of Isis

Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:08 pm

Cruz now has to out-extremist Trump to win the GOP nomination. The next candidate will suggest to nuke the whole Middle East.

Morons all. And I'll bet that none of them had any military training, not even to speak of combat experience, ever.

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Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:12 pm

He's called for more than just carpet bombing. Cruz has also called for the use of nuclear weapons.

http://warisboring.com/articles/ted-...-to-nuke-the-middle-east/#comments

What Cruz is doing is a cold, calculated political move. He knows that he has to play to the base of the GOP. Which he seems to believe is a bunch of reactionary idiots. And he wouldn't be that far off base with that belief.
 
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RE: Cruz Calls For Carpet Bombing Of Isis

Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:23 pm

Quoting victrola (Thread starter):
Does the man not understand the difference between bombing an established country with fixed military installations, armored columns, fixed positions, aircraft, and warships, and bombing a bunch of guys with machine guns, RPGs, and Toyota pickups?

No. No he does not. And yet he claims to want to be commander-in-chief of the US military with a hawkish foreign policy.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
Cruz now has to out-extremist Trump to win the GOP nomination. The next candidate will suggest to nuke the whole Middle East.

Actually, Cruz basically already did that. Which only adds to the evidence of him knowing nothing about how nuclear weapons work. It's scary, really.

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Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:25 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
Morons all. And I'll bet that none of them had any military training, not even to speak of combat experience, ever.

No neither has any sort of military experience. Although Trump has stated that he had more military training than a lot of people in the military since he went to an exclusive military style boarding school. You know, the type rich people send their kids to.

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Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:40 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
Morons all. And I'll bet that none of them had any military training, not even to speak of combat experience, ever.

Well, let's be clear here: Obama, Clinton, and Sanders also have no experience in military. It all comes down to whether you can wield the military wisely or not. Because Obama came with a dovish platform and later retained Robert Gates, military experience wasn't an issue with him. Clinton has been more hawkish than Obama but her proposals are still within what you may call "reasonable".

Having the GOP candidates talking about carpet bombing, getting in there and defeating ISIS (easier said than done) and even mentioning nuclear weapons concerns me: it means they're not thinking strategy, instead opting for an all-out assault.

When McCain was running in 2008 a video was made parodying what each side thought the other would do: liberals thought that if McCain won the draft would be reinstated. I wouldn't be surprised that with an all-out assault the draft is reinstated. Thankfully I'm past the usual drafting age (18-25) though still reasonably close that if that "supply" goes down, my age bracket is next.
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:48 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 7):
Having the GOP candidates talking about carpet bombing, getting in there and defeating ISIS (easier said than done) and even mentioning nuclear weapons concerns me: it means they're not thinking strategy, instead opting for an all-out assault.

What they are thinking is getting the GOP nomination. Which means pandering to all the reactionaries and war mongers in the party.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 7):
When McCain was running in 2008 a video was made parodying what each side thought the other would do: liberals thought that if McCain won the draft would be reinstated. I wouldn't be surprised that with an all-out assault the draft is reinstated. Thankfully I'm past the usual drafting age (18-25) though still reasonably close that if that "supply" goes down, my age bracket is next.

Maybe we should bring back the draft. Make it highly selective though. Your parents have to be an elected official in order to get drafted.
 
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RE: Cruz Calls For Carpet Bombing Of Isis

Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:55 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 7):
Well, let's be clear here: Obama, Clinton, and Sanders also have no experience in military. It all comes down to whether you can wield the military wisely or not. Because Obama came with a dovish platform and later retained Robert Gates, military experience wasn't an issue with him. Clinton has been more hawkish than Obama but her proposals are still within what you may call "reasonable".

But some politicians know their personal limits and at least listen to the military specialists (though not being uncritical).

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Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:00 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 7):
When McCain was running in 2008 a video was made parodying what each side thought the other would do: liberals thought that if McCain won the draft would be reinstated. I wouldn't be surprised that with an all-out assault the draft is reinstated. Thankfully I'm past the usual drafting age (18-25) though still reasonably close that if that "supply" goes down, my age bracket is next.

We DO need the draft...for ALL eligble persons...no waivers if A1...PERIOD. Then perhaps the fucking warhawk idiots will stop spending someone ELSE'S blood....like their own kins.....
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:15 pm

Quoting bhill (Reply 10):
We DO need the draft...for ALL eligble persons...no waivers if A1...PERIOD. Then perhaps the fucking warhawk idiots will stop spending someone ELSE'S blood....like their own kins.....

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It won't happen for a number of reasons. One, the military does not need the manpower it once did. Second, it's a political non-starter. Also if you were to bring back the draft people would find a way to get out of it. They had a draft during the Vietnam war. Did guys like Donald trump or George Bush get sent there as grunts? No, becaus etheir dad's had money and influence.
 
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RE: Cruz Calls For Carpet Bombing Of Isis

Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:22 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
These would be 'brown lives', living in a country far, far away. They don't count.

But the GOP gets all riled up about abortion. What a joke.

Anyways, it would appear that Mr. Cruz has little grasp on how to correctly use military power, and an even more tenuous grasp on history. When we carpet bombed North Vietnam, a country that did not have much in the way of industry to destroy, it was not exactly successful at winning the war. The same thing will happen if we carpet bomb Syria. What carpet bombing will do, however, is make ISIS's goal of radicalizing more people much easier. By killing innocent people, as well as their friends and families, people will feel that there is little hope for them in this world. Then, when an ISIS recruiter comes by promising everything from a steady supply of food to glory after death, the people will be more likely to listen. This, along with Mr. Trump's anti-Muslim (fascist) rhetoric makes it seem as though the GOP is keen on making ISIS's goal of radicalizing people much easier than it would otherwise be.
 
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RE: Cruz Calls For Carpet Bombing Of Isis

Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:46 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
Yeah, because it's always worked before, hasn't it?



Maybe we didn't carpet bomb enough. Maybe we need to double dog carpet bomb.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
These would be 'brown lives', living in a country far, far away. They don't count.

You gotta do what you gotta do to protect "Muricans".
 
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RE: Cruz Calls For Carpet Bombing Of Isis

Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:48 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 1):
Which shows you just how much he and many of his colleagues value life.

They do value life.*

*white, christian, heterosexuals only
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:50 pm

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 4):
He's called for more than just carpet bombing. Cruz has also called for the use of nuclear weapons.

Typical pro life evangelical, calling for the extermination of gays and the total annihilation of a country or two. Just like Jesus would do!
 
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RE: Cruz Calls For Carpet Bombing Of Isis

Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:45 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
ypical pro life evangelical, calling for the extermination of gays and the total annihilation of a country or two. Just like Jesus would do!

Is he aware that unborn babies would be killed in such a carpet bombing? Or does he have a way to prevent this?
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:29 pm

I'm not sure which would be worse...

  • Cruz not realizing that carpet bombing is a definitive war crime, but wanting to be President.

  • Cruz realizing that it is, but promoting doing so just because he knows its what his vastly-ignorant supporters want to hear.

    Hmm.
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:45 am

    Quoting victrola (Reply 13):
    You gotta do what you gotta do to protect "Muricans".

    On that basis, I vote we carpet bomb Cruz electoral gatherings.

    Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 17):
    Cruz realizing that it is, but promoting doing so just because he knows its what his vastly-ignorant supporters want to hear.

    Cruz is, unfortunately, a talented panderer.
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:37 am

    Quoting blueflyer (Reply 18):
    Cruz is, unfortunately, a talented panderer.

    Indeed, it's just that he got outdone by a factor of 10, by Trump.

    This is his only shot, as no one will be taking Cruz seriously as a Presidential candidate by 2020.
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:40 am

    Quoting bgm (Reply 14):
    They do value life.*

    *white, christian, heterosexuals only

    You left out unborn.

    The Republican party is the clown car, and all the clowns are jockeying for driver. This is fairly typical in the primary season, where everyone tries to "out-conservative" each other. After the candidate is selected they realize Ohioans and Coloradans do not want to vote for someone in favor of using nuclear weapons and the nominee will backpedal like they're in a rowboat about to go over a waterfall.

    Cruz is special though. Even the Republicans don't like working with him.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-lot-of-people-just-dont-like-ted-cruz-how-come-thats-okay-with-him/2015/11/08/b55a0782-7758-11e5-bc80-9091021aeb69_story.html
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:18 pm

    Quoting victrola (Reply 16):
    Is he aware that unborn babies would be killed in such a carpet bombing? Or does he have a way to prevent this?

    Haha that would be a good question to ask at a forum or debate.

    Person: Senator Cruz. You boast of a record that's pro-life; in other words, you do not favor abortion since it leads to the death of an unborn child. You boast of defending marriage and being pro-family, arguing that a child needs to be raised by both parents. You've also mentioned the need to carpet bomb ISIS and have admitted that a few civilian casualties are possible. How can you declare yourself pro-life when innocent civilians could be killed in that carpet bombing, innocent civilians that could also include pregnant women and families with babies? Moreover, how can you declare yourself pro-family when innocent families may be torn apart by denying children to their parents or viceversa?
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:30 pm

    A simpler question : you talk about Jesus a lot. Would Jesus nuke countries ?
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:59 pm

    Quoting Aesma (Reply 22):
    Would Jesus nuke countries ?

    Interesting question.

    Jesus did instruct his followers to obtain swords, arguing that if they lacked money they should sell their cloaks in order to pay for the swords. I guess he wasn't intent on doing a spot of pruning or he would have suggested secateurs. So had more modern weaponry been available, would he have recommended to his followers buying it?

    Perhaps Cruz is closer to a Jesus than others think or perhaps not. Some see the instruction as part of fulfilling prophesy. Others suggest it wasn't to be taken literally but to highlight the futility of strife. Either way they are latter day interpretations. But who really knows what his real intentions were? Many who define themselves as Christian today insist on their right to bear arms.
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:18 pm

    Quoting victrola (Thread starter):
    Does the man not understand

    That is Cruz's basic problem. He doesn't understand about 90% of what he talks about.

    Quoting LMP737 (Reply 4):
    What Cruz is doing is a cold, calculated political move. He knows that he has to play to the base of the GOP. Which he seems to believe is a bunch of reactionary idiots. And he wouldn't be that far off base with that belief.

    Politicians from all parties have to play to their base of support. Cruz promises 'action' because his base wants it. Other politicians promise 'free' services because their base wants it. None of the ever actually intend to implement those plans, and especially if they do become President, they will be surprised to find out how limited the President is to take such acitons.

    Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
    Which only adds to the evidence of him knowing nothing about how nuclear weapons work. It's scary, really.

    To be fair, very few politicians bother to educate themselves on such details. People around the world have been fed false information about how destructive nuclear weapons are. Yes, they are much more than conventional weapons, but they are not magically able to vaporize hundreds of square miles of enemy territory.

    Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 7):
    I wouldn't be surprised that with an all-out assault the draft is reinstated.

    The US military will fight that tooth and nail. Today's Army, and the other services, are not as manpower intensive as WWII.

    There it was largely hand some young kid a gun, and hope more of our young kids survived than the enemy's young kids.

    To implement a move that would expand the Army to WWII levels could cost the entire US budget for several years. We don't have the infrastructure or numbers of instructors to train them. We don't have the ability to transport them to an overseas location to fight. We don't have the ability to support them in the field with beans and bullets. We don't have enough bullets or guns for an all out assault by those numbers of people a draft would bring in.

    Today's US military expects to be out-numbered significantly. We compensate for the numbers deficit with superior training and technology.
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:11 pm

    Quoting Aesma (Reply 22):
    A simpler question : you talk about Jesus a lot. Would Jesus nuke countries ?

    well, he is praying to the biggest mass murderer in "history" (fiction for us secular folks, where you may be able to find bigger ones). What does he care what his son does or doesn´t do.

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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:35 pm

    The problem is that Ted Cruz is a very intelligent guy. He is well educated and was an expert debater in college. However he knows that you cannot win this election by making good debate points. Donald Trump has proven that a sizdable part of Americans are not interested in the finer points of policy. They demand simple answers to complex problems because they have the reasoning abilities of petulant children. It is all about emotion as opposed to reason. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe it was Machiavelli who said that counries get the government that they deserve. I believe that America is getting the politicians it deserves.
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:09 pm

    Part of this is to 'look tough', and especially tougher vs. Pres. Obama. Many feel that the President underestimated ISIS's growth and is too reluctant to put in massive military force against them. That is despite a huge drone/missile attack program, that to attack ISIS too broadly would play into their hands, drag us into a no-win war situation, cost way too many non-combatant and innocent lives and just make things worse in the region. You have many conflicting parties in the region , just supporting the enemy of our enemy has backfired too many times and would anger - like with the Kurds vs. our NATO ally, Turkey.
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:15 pm

    I think Cruz should just concentrate on making sure no ISIS terrorists get to enter the US like they get to Europe. A couple of days ago here in Finland our police arrested twin brothers who arrived here as refugees and were living in a local refugee center. Apparently based on video footage they are ISIS fighters and guilty of murdering at least 11 unarmed people in a massacre video released by ISIS in 2014.

    I laugh at all those "experts" who claimed there were no ISIS terrorists hiding among refugees earlier this year.
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:24 pm

    Quoting pvjin (Reply 28):
    Apparently based on video footage they are ISIS fighters and guilty of murdering at least 11 unarmed people in a massacre video released by ISIS in 2014.

    see, the system works. Potential terrorists are identified and arrested. No need to let millions be horrible murdered to prevent them from doing stuff.

    Quoting pvjin (Reply 28):
    I think Cruz should just concentrate on making sure no ISIS terrorists get to enter the US like they get to Europe.

    They just go and recruit someone local

    Quoting pvjin (Reply 28):

    I laugh at all those "experts" who claimed there were no ISIS terrorists hiding among refugees earlier this year.

    I can not recall anyone saying more then "they come anyways, if they can´t come as refugees, they buy a plane ticket and come as tourists" or "It is much more dangerous to come as a refugee".

    How long have those terrorists been sitting in that camp w/o carrying out a terror strike?

    Quoting pvjin (Reply 28):
    Apparently based on video footage they are ISIS fighters and guilty of murdering at least 11 unarmed people in a massacre video released by ISIS in 2014.

    And you know all the circumstances, right? You are absolutely certain that they wanted to be part of the massacre and have proof their participation wasn´t based on threats to their or their families lifes?
    I know, ISIS is a kind and loving organization that does´t force anyone to do anything, and them forcing young man to fight and kill for them is totally unheard of.....

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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:31 pm

    Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 24):
    That is Cruz's basic problem. He doesn't understand about 90% of what he talks about

    That is not true at all. Mr. Cruz has an undergrad degree from Princeton and attended Harvard Law, graduating magna cum laude. He is not a stupid man. He may come off that way because he is trying to appeal to a bunch of hicks who would not support him if they knew he was really an Ivy League elite. This is exactly what makes Cruz the most scary candidate. While Trump is truly an idiot who inherited his daddy's money, and made less with it than if he had simply invested it in a mutual fund that tracked the S&P, Cruz is a very intelligent man with some pretty crazy ideas, and if elected, would be much more effective than a buffoon like Trump at actually implementing them.
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:37 pm

    Quoting Adipasquale (Reply 30):
    He is not a stupid man.

    He isn´t an uneducated man.

    Quoting Adipasquale (Reply 30):
    and if elected, would be much more effective than a buffoon like Trump at actually implementing them.

    so, he would actually find the red button to bring the 2nd coming of Christ about. Great. Really great.

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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:45 pm

    Quoting victrola (Reply 26):
    The problem is that Ted Cruz is a very intelligent guy. He is well educated and was an expert debater in college.

    He is very smart but I also think he's a sociopath 100% incapable of empathy, and I guarantee he would be cutting off heads and setting people on fire if that got him ahead.

    Quoting victrola (Reply 16):
    Is he aware that unborn babies would be killed in such a carpet bombing? Or does he have a way to prevent this?

    I think a requirement of the evangelical community is to be as hypocritical as humanly possible.

    Quoting Aesma (Reply 22):
    A simpler question : you talk about Jesus a lot. Would Jesus nuke countries ?

    Jesus would let us exterminate the gays/arabs and strip the poor of their rights, all while inviting the money changers into the temple to fund our pro life murderous rampage....He told me so! #praiseHim To paraphrase several people "the forgiveness, peace, and love of the New Testament is for me; the wrath and punishment of the Old Testament is for you!"
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:01 pm

    Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 29):
    And you know all the circumstances, right? You are absolutely certain that they wanted to be part of the massacre and have proof their participation wasn´t based on threats to their or their families lifes?
    I know, ISIS is a kind and loving organization that does´t force anyone to do anything, and them forcing young man to fight and kill for them is totally unheard of.....

    They are two men in their early 20's who arrived there without a family, so I highly doubt that. Even if that's the case it's not an excuse for executing unarmed prisoners.

    The vast majority of ISIS fighters fight for the organization entirely from their own free will, otherwise the whole thing would collapse in no time. Whether these two men support the organization after they left for Europe is another thing. Perhaps they got tired of constant fighting, or perhaps they were sent here to commit terrorist attacks.

    Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 29):
    They just go and recruit someone local

    How easy that is depends largely how many poorly integrated Muslims United States has. More Muslim refugees they take more potential terrorists ISIS will find from the US in nearby future. Thanks to EU's inability to protect its borders recruiting will be way more easier in nearby future for any radical Islamist groups.

    Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 29):
    I can not recall anyone saying more then "they come anyways, if they can´t come as refugees, they buy a plane ticket and come as tourists" or "It is much more dangerous to come as a refugee".

    I certainly can recall many Finnish experts constantly dismissing the very real threat.
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:59 pm

    Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 32):

    He is very smart but I also think he's a sociopath 100% incapable of empathy, and I guarantee he would be cutting off heads and setting people on fire if that got him ahead.

    I don't have a problem with what he said because it's very, very obvious that it's just a political thing to jump on the crazy bandwagon Trump started of saying ridiculous things to get attention. It's clear that we would never "carpet bomb ISIS". The military would never let it happen as it would accomplish just as much as carpet-bombing the VietCong did. Cruz is like Trump and most of the other GOP candidates: He'll say what he can to get into power, and when he's there not do much other than help out his buddies across various financial sectors. The only GOP candidate that I actually believe wants to implement meaningful change is Kasich, and I would vote for him if Hillary's the Democrat.
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:08 pm

    Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 19):
    This is his only shot, as no one will be taking Cruz seriously as a Presidential candidate by 2020.

    I can't understand why anyone takes him seriously now - but alas they do. I just hope that not enough people do to put this psychopath in office
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:24 pm

    Quoting bhill (Reply 10):
    We DO need the draft...for ALL eligible persons...no waivers if A1

    I'm in agreement with that. mainly because of the abuses Bush/Cheney dumped on the military in their Invasion farce in Iraq. There was too little time between deployments for rest, rebuilding family ties and retraining between deployments. Personnel who had completed their active duty commitment were forced to continue to serve (the BackDoor Draft the Federal Courts shot down) and the military saw far too many Majors leaving the military because of excessive deployments and the abuse that presents to their families.

    A draft that delivers a continuous flow of personnel to the military changes those problems immediately. In terms of a waiver for a 1A - that's not a problem if you change it to a "delay of service"instead of a waiver. Let them graduated and then serve.

    Quoting LMP737 (Reply 11):
    One, the military does not need the manpower it once did

    Really? Look at the problems in Iraq that were related to shortage of military personnel. A continual flow of draftees eliminates many of those problems. And if the draft sets a policy of 2 years active duty, 2 years active reserves and 2 years inactive reserve you have increased abilities without the huge forces of the past

    Quoting LMP737 (Reply 11):
    Also if you were to bring back the draft people would find a way to get out of it.

    That has long been the case, which is why so many Republican politicians have a PhD. The current conflicts are long term and need for personnel will be continual - long past the time the time needed to get a PhD.

    Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
    Cruz now has to out-extremist Trump to win the GOP nomination.

    And then he has to live with all those sound bites in the election - turning off moderates and independents. And maybe also running against Trump if the GOP plays games to keep Trump from getting the nomination
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:09 pm

    Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 7):

    When McCain was running in 2008 a video was made parodying what each side thought the other would do: liberals thought that if McCain won the draft would be reinstated. I wouldn't be surprised that with an all-out assault the draft is reinstated. Thankfully I'm past the usual drafting age (18-25) though still reasonably close that if that "supply" goes down, my age bracket is next.


    They wouldn't send a man with an engineering degree (two of them, right?), a meteorologist's certificate, and a masters in project management into combat.

    Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 32):

    He is very smart but I also think he's a sociopath 100% incapable of empathy, and I guarantee he would be cutting off heads and setting people on fire if that got him ahead.

    He's kinda your classic evil genius, isn't he?
     
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    Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:29 pm

    Quoting victrola (Thread starter):
    Asked what he would specifically target he responded "ISIS".

    has he worked out that ISIS is a ideology much like AQ? not sure how you carpet bomb a ideology?!?! perhaps you can inform us all..
     
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    Wasn't Cruz born in Canada?
     
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    Quoting BestWestern (Reply 39):
    Wasn't Cruz born in Canada?

    Yes but something about his mother being a US citizen or him "looking" White or something makes that point moot.
     
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    So how can he be eligible for the presidency?
     
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    Quoting victrola (Reply 26):
    Donald Trump has proven that a sizdable part of Americans are not interested in the finer points of policy. They demand simple answers to complex problems because they have the reasoning abilities of petulant children. It is all about emotion as opposed to reason.

    In this aspect they are not too different from the average Salafist or Wahabi extremist.

    Jan
     
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    Quoting BestWestern (Reply 41):
    So how can he be eligible for the presidency?

    It's not an issue for a white, Christian, heterosexual man. However, if he were a black "Muslim", it would be very different.   
     
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    Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:03 pm

    Quoting Ken777 (Reply 36):
    The current conflicts are long term

    Unless you realize you shouldn't invade countries far away to begin with.
     
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    Quoting BestWestern (Reply 41):
    So how can he be eligible for the presidency?

    The US Constitution says:

    Quote:
    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

    The US Congress and the US federal courts have refused to define 'natural born Citizen'. Cruz's mother was a US Citizen working in Canada at the time of his birth. The same as tens of thousands of children born to US citizens in other countries, US laws confer US citizenship to him at birth. The same law applied to George Romney, John McCain, and my two children. There are many valid reasons for a US citizen to be outside the physical borders of this country at the birth of their child. The US does not penalize those children. And Ted Cruz definitely meets the 14 year residency requirement.

    Quoting Adipasquale (Reply 30):
    That is not true at all.

    Your opinion, I have mine. I've watched Ted Cruz since his first run for political office. In my opinion, he is very prone to assume that he knows the facts about many issues, when he is actually incorrect. (An old debate trick, if you make your source sound credible, you can get away with making up your own facts.)

    Very often he will repeat 'known facts' from dubious sources without ever investigating the truth or the issues behind such 'facts'. Cruz's assumption that members of the US Congress receive this gold plated free healthcare plan is an example. When he got to the Senate, he was shocked to find his healthcare options were the same as all other federal government employees. He declined to participate because his healthcare coverage under his wife's work plans was much better.

    Quoting victrola (Reply 26):
    Donald Trump has proven that a sizdable part of Americans are not interested in the finer points of policy.

    A sizeable part of the people of any country are not interested in the finer points of policy. The percentage of actual well informed people in any country is small in my experience. All Trump has proven is that some people in the United States are angry. And that Trump is maybe the best presidential candidate since Ronald Reagan at using the media skillfully to pander to the masses.

    Quoting victrola (Reply 26):
    They demand simple answers to complex problems because they have the reasoning abilities of petulant children.

    Not accurate in my opinion. Yes, a great many people in the United States, and every other country, don't understand complex problems. Not because the US is any worse than any country. They want their political leaders to fix problems and let them live peaceful lives without fear. Both impossible in the real world, but people dream and hope for a better world. They all cannot be expected to understand why it is practically impossible.

    Quoting Adipasquale (Reply 30):
    Cruz is a very intelligent man with some pretty crazy ideas, and if elected, would be much more effective than a buffoon like Trump at actually implementing them.

    Cruz has been pretty ineffective in getting any of his ideas turned into legislation. His 'my way or the highway' approach has alienated him from many of his fellow senators. He's made a lot of enemies in the Republican party. He has also alienated a lot of the federal civil service with encouraging shutdowns of the federal government. Cruz also doesn't understand the laws related to federal shutdowns. He wants the Presdent to keep popular agencies open in violation of the law and only shutdown the unpopular agencies.

    The frightening thing is that if he were to become President, Cruz might actually try to shut down parts of the federal government, without following the laws. Just making choices based on his personal / political views.
     
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    Quoting Ken777 (Reply 36):
    Really? Look at the problems in Iraq that were related to shortage of military personnel. A continual flow of draftees eliminates many of those problems. And if the draft sets a policy of 2 years active duty, 2 years active reserves and 2 years inactive reserve you have increased abilities without the huge forces of the past

    Yes really. In the past a lot of the manpower requirements were driven by the fact that a lot of the equipment the military had was manpower intensive. Take a USN heavy cruiser back in the 1950's. It needed a crew of about 1000. A cruiser today needs a little over 400. Add to that the Navy, along with all the other services are smaller than they once were.

    The problem in Iraq was the the Bush Administration in it's infinite wisdom decided they did not need the manpower that some of the generals were telling them they needed. If you want to argue that with a draft we could eliminate the need for service companies like Halliburton fine. However that's not going to require massive manpower inlflux that a draft would provided.
     
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    RE: Cruz Calls For Carpet Bombing Of Isis

    Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:12 pm

    How does one carpet bomb an ideology? I get using air strikes to take out important money making projects. But, being himself, Cruz does not understand.
     
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    RE: Cruz Calls For Carpet Bombing Of Isis

    Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:48 am

    Quoting DocLightning (Reply 37):
    He's kinda your classic evil genius, isn't he?

    I'm not a psychiatrist, but he is totally Patrick Bateman if Patrick were fugly as a sack of rotten potatoes.
     
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    Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:56 am

    Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 45):
    The US Congress and the US federal courts have refused to define 'natural born Citizen'. Cruz's mother was a US Citizen working in Canada at the time of his birth. The same as tens of thousands of children born to US citizens in other countries, US laws confer US citizenship to him at birth. The same law applied to George Romney, John McCain, and my two children. There are many valid reasons for a US citizen to be outside the physical borders of this country at the birth of their child. The US does not penalize those children. And Ted Cruz definitely meets the 14 year residency requirement.

    That's really not the point. How long did we have to listen to the birther non-sense during Obama's term? Now that we have someone who was born in a foreign country we hear nothing. Which tells anyone with half a brain what the birther stuff was really all about.

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