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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:13 pm

Proves that the truth really IS stranger than fiction.

You really could not make this up.
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:22 pm

It gets more bizarre.

From oregonlive.com:

"Members of the Pacific Patriots Network, a network of groups from Oregon, Washington and Idaho, arrived to the refuge on Saturday carrying rifles and sidearms and wearing bulletproof vests and military attire. They had shown up, they said, to "de-escalate" the standoff by providing security for both the protesters and Harney County residents."

Other "militias" flock there, offer mediation in order to make the other "militia" pack up and leave...


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Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:33 pm

Provide security from who?.
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:30 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 102):
Provide security from who?.

No idea.

Meanwhile, the EU gives CERN another 392 quadrillions to fund a yet bigger particle accelerator. Perhaps they'll finally find the fundamental particle that causes people to be stupid.


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[Edited 2016-01-11 08:33:02]
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:20 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 94):
But when people start DEMANDING services in Spanish or Mandarin, screw that.

When a government or private agency sees a need and fills it, how is that demanding?

Example: There are large Chinese and Latino communities here in the Bay Area. It only makes sense that services be offered in Mandarin and Spanish. I noticed, when we were in Hawaii last year, agencies offered services in several Pacific Island languages like Hawaiian and Chuuk as well as Mandarin but not Spanish.

Perhaps make it up to the individual states?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 94):
Then they weren't nazis, were they (members of and supporters of the Nazi party). Dumb comment.

Those who turned their back on the Nazi party? Those who were so outspoken over the Nazi party that they feared for their lives? Those people existed, too.
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:31 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 95):
So by choosing to make English the official language of the U.S., you also need to establish an academy of the English language that formally defines the language for legal purposes.

Why?
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:44 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 99):
Horsecookies. English is an official language in Canada and dozens of other countries. All you need is a law that says "English is the official language".

Who cares? Other than it being a lightning rod for the right "SPEAK AMURRICAN" (thanks Sarah you speak English so gud!!) why does it really matter? The costs to accommodate other languages are infinitesimal compared to just about anything else. It's a non issue.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 104):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 94):
Then they weren't nazis, were they (members of and supporters of the Nazi party). Dumb comment.

Those who turned their back on the Nazi party? Those who were so outspoken over the Nazi party that they feared for their lives? Those people existed, too.

Our biggest immigrant group in the US that has integrated so successfully no one notices any more
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:10 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 104):
Example: There are large Chinese and Latino communities here in the Bay Area. It only makes sense that services be offered in Mandarin and Spanish. I noticed, when we were in Hawaii last year, agencies offered services in several Pacific Island languages like Hawaiian and Chuuk as well as Mandarin but not Spanish.

Here in Capitalist Hong Kong - the hospitals offer language service in about 70 different languages via medical translators.
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:48 pm

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/12/gay_..._grim_standoff_as_fun_filled_orgy/

Teh interwebz teem with homo-erotic fan fiction taking place in a wild and lively refuge in Oregon. I hope a major Hollywood studio is picking this up soon.


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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:47 pm

Alright, which one of you hags keeps mailing dildos to those privileged white freaks?
Fess up!

http://gawker.com/angry-militia-lead...-stop-mailing-us-dildos-1752580458
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:17 pm

Quoting johnboy (Reply 109):

Gee, I've only sent them one condom. Jon Ritzheimer should use it well.


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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:23 pm

Quoting johnboy (Reply 109):
Alright, which one of you hags keeps mailing dildos to those privileged white freaks?
Fess up!

http://gawker.com/angry-militia-lead...-stop-mailing-us-dildos-1752580458

One of the links the comments I found to be particularly intriguing:

www.poopsenders.com
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:55 pm

You're demanding that immigrants speak another country's language. Hilarious. 
Quoting johnboy (Reply 109):
Alright, which one of you hags keeps mailing dildos to those privileged white freaks?
Fess up!

http://gawker.com/angry-militia-lead...-stop-mailing-us-dildos-1752580458

Word got around that the Bundys are power bottoms...   

[Edited 2016-01-13 13:59:23]
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:20 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 99):
Horsecookies. English is an official language in Canada and dozens of other countries. All you need is a law that says "English is the official language".

Who's going to teach the rednecks Her Majesty's language?
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:34 pm

Sigh. How long is the gubbermint not doing anything against these morons?

*feels puzzled*



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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:16 pm

IMO, Sending the cops in would be a seriously bad idea.

It would end in a bloodbath, and just give them martyrs.

Best option is cut off their supply line.

Let them eat squirrel and freeze their butts off.

They will soon come out with their tails between their legs.
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:12 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 115):

Yes... but the Bundy Ranch standoff was already a victory for the "militia" goons. How many victories can the federal authorities afford until they lose credibility?

It's really unfair towards the Occupy Wallstreet people who were carried off their premises. If they're right-wing, their violence and their trespassing is tolerated, but when they're leftist... well. We have crush to crush their unlawful opposition!



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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:26 pm

At this time of year, how long can you sit it out without food being supplied from outside and the heating cut off.
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:23 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 117):
At this time of year, how long can you sit it out without food being supplied from outside and the heating cut off.



Yup, and shoot closely enough at anybody sticking his head out, e.g. to get firewood, that they know that it is a bad idea.

Jan
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:20 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 118):
Yup, and shoot closely enough at anybody sticking his head out, e.g. to get firewood, that they know that it is a bad idea.

Yep, seal the entire region off and arrest anyone who tries to deliver anything whatsoever. With no opportunity for bail until the seige is over..

maybe just incarcerate their entire families until they give themselves up. If the Govt are feeling particularly malicious they could really ramp up the "your Daddy is a terrorist, and it is his fault you are here because he doesn't love you." rhetoric.
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:04 am

Finally, some of these asshats are going to jail:

http://www.rt.com/usa/330249-ammon-bundy-oregon-arrest/

My own hope is that they are tried as terrorists so they can be sent to Gitmo.
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:35 am

Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 120):
My own hope is that they are tried as terrorists so they can be sent to Gitmo.

They took over a federal facility talking about government overthrow and armed resistance and God. But, people want Guantanamo closed, so that probably will not happen.
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:21 pm

Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 120):

FINALLY.

One brother of Ammonite Bundy was injured by a gunshot, and another occupier, LaVoy Finicum, was killed at a roadblock.

The biggest danger to the government and its credibility is when it fails to enforce laws. It doesn't matter much when one peacefully smokes a joint, only harming himself, in defiance of a drug law. It's another thing when you can seize federal a federal building, and the government does diddly-di-dum and enables you to boast a near-victory.

And there's this, from the Wookiepedia article: "Finicum was a rancher whose cattle grazed on BLM land, and he maintained that he owned grazing rights on that land through natural law. Finicum wrote a book entitled Only by Blood and Suffering: Regaining Lost Freedom. The Finicums are foster parents to a number of children, who have all been removed from their care due to their involvement in the standoff; Finicum complained that this took away his and his wife's main source of income."

Oh, boy...


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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:49 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 122):
The biggest danger to the government and its credibility is when it fails to enforce laws. It doesn't matter much when one peacefully smokes a joint, only harming himself, in defiance of a drug law. It's another thing when you can seize federal a federal building, and the government does diddly-di-dum and enables you to boast a near-victory.

By bringing in their families, including children, the militia men effectively use them as human shields. The Feds still remember Waco and the bad publicity they got then because of thbe dead children.

Jan
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:06 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
This is the logical outcome of extreme gun fetishism and I very much hope that this is put to a stop.

      

At this point, I believe the Feds could "Waco" them all, and no one else would care.
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:07 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 122):
It's another thing when you can seize federal a federal building, and the government does diddly-di-dum and enables you to boast a near-victory.

Who says they did "diddly-di-dum"?

Let's put this another way: Say a few extremely poisonous snakes (a fair analogy, don't you think?) got loose from the zoo, and were later found in an unoccupied federal building. Any attempt to just grab and catch them results in the real risk of someone getting bit and dying, and simply exterminating them would piss off a bunch of people and maybe get some hippie DA to file charges. What do you do?

You set a trap, lure the snakes with bait, and when they come looking you drive them into a corner and drop some boxes on them. That's pretty much what happened here, except one of the snakes tried to bite and was hit with some buckshot.
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:39 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 123):
By bringing in their families, including children, the militia men effectively use them as human shields. The Feds still remember Waco and the bad publicity they got then because of thbe dead children.

The US has so many armed drones and established procedure to kill with as much colateral damage as possible.
. and killing some children too seems to be another requirement.

Just turn them loose in Oregon.

Oh, you don't like your own medicine? An atrocious act? Too bad.
Maybe reconsider application elsewhere ?
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:17 am

We should do to them what every GOP candidate proposes for terrorists. Let's see if Oregon dirt glows! 
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:44 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 127):
We should do to them what every GOP candidate proposes for terrorists. Let's see if Oregon dirt glows!

In retrospect, this Salon article does detail why it was probably a good idea that the Feds waited:
http://www.salon.com/2016/01/27/oreg...rce=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:09 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 125):
Who says they did "diddly-di-dum"?

As Waco was still on the Feds' minds, so should have been the Bundy standoff in Nevada. They came to collect millions in unpaid grazing fees, but the whole thing ended as a victory for Bundy and his cronies.

This is unfair to all farmers who pay their fees to the BLM on time - which demands way less $$$ than private land owners to begin with.

Quoting WIederling (Reply 126):
Just turn them loose in Oregon.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 127):
We should do to them what every GOP candidate proposes for terrorists. Let's see if Oregon dirt glows!

But they are FREEDOM FIGHTERS!!! :-P

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 128):

From a "How can we resolve this with minimal bloodshed and maximum embarrassment for these snack liberation front members?" point of view, it's surely understandable.

But still unfair if you look at the hundreds of blacks who get shot every time a policeman feels "threatened". Or the people who got forcibly evicted from their homes after they could no longer pay their mortgages when the housing bubble burst. But the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge building, yawn, you can live in it and stage a protest. It's not important, yawn.

When government entities treat people based on who they are, but not on what they actually do, they lose all credibility. There are more sorts of racism than treating blacks and whites differently.

Although I never wish to be on the receiving end of any violent action, sometimes you need bloodshed and some corpses to restore that credibility - criminals need to be treated with credibly. The government failed at the Bundy ranch, which emboldened them to take over the MNWR.



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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:55 am

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 129):
But still unfair if you look at the hundreds of blacks who get shot every time a policeman feels "threatened". Or the people who got forcibly evicted from their homes after they could no longer pay their mortgages when the housing bubble burst.

Sure, but as the article clearly states (and I've recently come to agree with as a result):
Instead of focusing so much energy on why we didn't kill them as quickly as we would've if black/brown/Muslim.... we should instead focus on the fact that the government just proved that it knows to ao approach law enforcement of violent individuals with techniques other than "shoot first, ask later" and thus should apply THAT to incidents with blacks/browns/Muslims.
 
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Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:03 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 130):
we should instead focus on the fact that the government just proved that it knows to ao approach law enforcement of violent individuals with techniques other than "shoot first, ask later" and thus should apply THAT to incidents with blacks/browns/Muslims.

When Black Lives Matter says this, they are called thugs and told to shut up. Unarmed Blacks are shot all the time and the reaction is "well, if they just would have complied...." even when they do comply. Why does it take a band of White Christian terrorists to get law enforcement to say "oh, maybe we have been doing this wrong all along..."?
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:03 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 131):
Why does it take a band of White Christian

Because that's the 'Murikan way, so it seems.  
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:33 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 131):

Exactly. Truer words have not been spoken...


And now, there only seem to be five left at the refuge... did the others leave with snacks?


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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:13 pm

On a purely practical level, these people are already boxed up.

Think how history would read if Santa Ana did NOT storm the Alamo.

He just blocked their supplies, then said let me know when you are ready to come out.

The last thing the Feds need is another Waco/Alamo.
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:38 am

Lavoy Finicum has been martyred. I presume he's now up in the big ranch in the sky with his 72 cattles.

[Edited 2016-01-29 16:40:37]
 
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Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:02 am

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 135):
Lavoy Finicum has been martyred. I presume he's now up in the big ranch in the sky with his 72 cattles.

You mean his heifers.

Jan
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:38 am

Now maybe this whole issue can moooooove along.
 
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Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:43 pm

The ending of this act of domestic terrorism has probably worked out in the best possible way. Sadly one died but he acted in a way to justify the actions of law enforcers are trained to do and likely saved others lives. There are maybe 4 persons left at the preserve site and with the current blockades, I suspect they will have to leave soon as supplies run out and realizing they are involved in a lost cause.

There are much bigger issues as to this and other similar acts of rebellion against our Federal government. There are and have been several shows about fishermen, miners (especially gold in Alaska), oil exploration and loggers and one common theme to them has been huge objections to well intended and necessary regulations including worker safety, environmental and to how much they can extract. Along with ranching cattle, to them, they don't like such regulations or quotas, all they want it to make as much money now with the least amount of costs and hassles from government. For many, it is their only income, having restrictions on or seriously cutting income or hiking costs is going to tick off many. Changes in laws making coal mining pretty much disappear in the Eastern USA and its loss of decent paying (but deadly) jobs is bound to create anti-Federal government beliefs. Smaller operators cannot pay off their Congress member like they used to so to hold down regulations or let them damage the environment for cheap. Then again, you have situations where government regulations seem to be ignored or not fairly applied - look at the Flint water crises where the EPA seemed to be hopelessly unable or politically unwilling to take action to prevent the ruin of their water supply.
 
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Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:05 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 138):
There are maybe 4 persons left at the preserve site and with the current blockades, I suspect they will have to leave soon as supplies run out

For some reason, the Feds have not cut off power to the refuge. If they were to do that, these last remaining dimwits would be gone as soon as they figure out they can't re-charge their phones and send out videos any longer,
 
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RE: Militia Group Takes Federal Facility In Eastern Or

Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:10 pm

I'm confused how a) a good guy with a gun is now worm food, and b) this well regulated militia wasn't able to overpower the government  
 
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Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:38 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 138):
Along with ranching cattle,

Farming and ranching also has to do with market prices and conditions. If there is a glut of cattle, the price will drop and make it more difficult for family ranchers to make a profit. The logical thing to do is blame the government? For what the free market is doing?
 
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Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:54 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 140):

Good question...

The likes of John Ritzerheimer, Blaine Cooper (as he vanished from the rural Oregon scene, should we call him D.B. Cooper?) and LaVoy Finicum are not obese.

But when I look at the other people involved in militias I wonder how they can put up a fight given the prevalence of obesity...


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Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:32 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 138):
Then again, you have situations where government regulations seem to be ignored or not fairly applied - look at the Flint water crises where the EPA seemed to be hopelessly unable or politically unwilling to take action to prevent the ruin of their water supply.

same thing with Texas with the West Fertilizer Plant explosion. The Federal government did a report showing how Statewide that there are fertilizing plants across Texas that present just as big as threat. Yet Texas does nothing.

i might be wrong but isn't the states like Michigan and Texas that are the problem? not the federal government.? I don't think the feds can just override these states especially when they haven't passed laws and regulations that they should of passed a long time ago.
 
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Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:34 am

Quoting DLFREEBIRD (Reply 143):
i might be wrong but isn't the states like Michigan and Texas that are the problem?

The federal government sets a baseline. States should not go any lower than that but they can go higher. Maybe Texas and Michigan decided to cut staffing at agencies that check regulations? Because, you know, government isn't good for anything.
 
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:47 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35552820

Now that there's only one person remaining at the bird sanctuary, things will get interesting. He has vowed to die a free man...


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Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:52 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 145):
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35552820

Now that there's only one person remaining at the bird sanctuary, things will get interesting. He has vowed to die a free man...


David

He will have to sleep at some time and he can't watch all directions at once. His biggest humiliation will be be to be caught asleep and then spend the next 20 years in a federal pen. Unless he tops himself first.

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Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:28 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 146):
He will have to sleep at some time and he can't watch all directions at once. His biggest humiliation will be be to be caught asleep and then spend the next 20 years in a federal pen. Unless he tops himself first.

Jan

Nope,
He surrendered.
 
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:04 pm

Quoting casinterest (Reply 147):

Now I got the news too.


Good that it ended peacefully.


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Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:31 am

And as a bonus, Cliven Bundy was arrested and the charges against him for the Nevada stand-off released. And oh my doesn't it look good:

Quote:
) CRIMINAL COMPLAINT
)
) Case No.: 2:16-mj-00127-PAL
) VIOLATIONS:
)
) 18 U.S.C. § 371 - Conspiracy to Commit
) An Offense Against the United States;
)
) 18 U.S.C. § lll(b) -Assault on a Federal
) Law Enforcement Officer;
)
) 18 U.S.C. § 924(c) - Use and Carry of a
) Firearm In Relation to a Crime of
) Violence;
)
) 18 U.S.C. § 1503 - Obstruction of the
) Administration of Justice;
)
) 18 U.S.C. § 1951 - Interference with
) Commerce by Extortion;
)
) 18 U.S.C. § 2 -Aiding and Abetting

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Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos