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The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:33 am

Just watched this, I think it is one of the best movies ever made.


Great story, special effects mixed with some good humor and superb acting by Damon and others.


Superb, it should win at the Oscars.
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:52 am

Read the book and saw the movie. Excellent movie. My nine-year old loved it.

But, I'll disagree with the Golden Globe folks and say that it was not a comedy, though Matt Damon had his moments.
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:02 am

I was surprised at that too, I guess it was an appreciation for the sprinkling of humor.
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:16 am

He should have died, sorry, but it would have been far better is he had died trying to escape Mars.
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:37 am

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 3):
He should have died, sorry, but it would have been far better is he had died trying to escape Mars.

Disagree. Much better this way. Great lesson for the youngsters...and some oldsters; the indomitable spirit of man. The quest for survival. The process of multiple problem solving. The book, of course, was better at it than the movie.

My son's favorite line:

"I'm going to have to science the sh*t out of this". Of course, my boy uses "bleep" instead of "sh*t".  
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:52 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 1):
Read the book and saw the movie. Excellent movie. My nine-year old loved it.

But, I'll disagree with the Golden Globe folks and say that it was not a comedy, though Matt Damon had his moments.

I liked the book more but found the movie to also be very good, able to stand on its own and be excellent. The book was far more intimate and "inside" Watney being all alone, it also was more detailed.

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 3):
He should have died, sorry, but it would have been far better is he had died trying to escape Mars.

While I can understand what you are saying, I disagree. A.) People like happy endings, especially for characters they have invested time and emotion on. B.) Just because "it is far more likely that...." does not making a more realistic end. Reality is fickle, sometime impossible odds happen. It was a bit hokey but still it was the right ending for Mark to survive (in my opinion at least   ).

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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:59 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 1):
Read the book

Haven't seen the movie, but I'm about 2/3 the way through the book. Very difficult to put down.

Some of the lines in the book have me laughing out loud, literally.
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:10 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):

Disagree. Much better this way. Great lesson for the youngsters...and some oldsters; the indomitable spirit of man. The quest for survival. The process of multiple problem solving. The book, of course, was better at it than the movie.

I like happy endings. They make me happy. I'm spending $10-$15 to see your movie, make me feel happy. I deal with enough doom and gloom, and even some death and destruction at the office.
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:43 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 6):
Haven't seen the movie, but I'm about 2/3 the way through the book. Very difficult to put down.

Watch the movie, it is very well done, I enjoyed it, well except for the ending.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):

I like happy endings. They make me happy. I'm spending $10-$15 to see your movie, make me feel happy. I deal with enough doom and gloom, and even some death and destruction at the office.

And I agree, however, once in a while I like to be surprised, having the star die when you expect him to survive can make a show/movie, hell, look at Game of Thrones, you never know when your favorite star will die.
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:08 am

Hollywood film.
Not very believable and you know it will all work out before you see it.
5/10
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:09 am

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 8):
Watch the movie, it is very well done, I enjoyed it, well except for the ending.

I will at some point. Probably not in theaters, though (I rarely go see movies in a theater).
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:41 pm

Really liked the book, have already read it three times - the movie, while good, doesnt hold a candle to the book.

The movie has vast parts of the books missing, a lot of the cool stuff from the book skipped over (indeed, to the point where the potato farm being lost doesnt make sense) and the ending changed for sod all reason.

Two major plot points from the book are missing, which waters down the story a heck of a lot.

Book was great, would read it again - movie was rubbish in comparison, wouldnt watch it again.
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:30 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 1):
But, I'll disagree with the Golden Globe folks and say that it was not a comedy, though Matt Damon had his moments.

Agreed. Dramas can have lots of comedic moments without being a comedy. Forrest Gump, for example, was clearly a drama and so was The Martian.

Quoting moo (Reply 11):
Really liked the book, have already read it three times - the movie, while good, doesnt hold a candle to the book.

The movie has vast parts of the books missing, a lot of the cool stuff from the book skipped over (indeed, to the point where the potato farm being lost doesnt make sense) and the ending changed for sod all reason.

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and thought it was reasonably true to the book. To stay any closer to the book during his time on Mars would have just made a long movie even longer.

My issues with the movie were:
1. The absurdly luxurious Mars Transfer Vehicle. Looks more like a Carnival cruise ship than a spacecraft that will be built anytime in the next 100 years. Maybe they were just trying to deepen the contrast between the circumstances of the crew and Watney, but it was overboard.

2. The Ironman ending scene. It was plenty dramatic enough without that slapstick component.

But, all-in-all, A+ would see again.
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:54 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 12):

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and thought it was reasonably true to the book. To stay any closer to the book during his time on Mars would have just made a long movie even longer.

Really?

Giving no explanation at all about the plan to grow potatoes other than to show Watney filling an area of the Habs floor with Mars dirt, but relying on the books explanation later on after the blow out as to why that was that for the potato growing (the bacteria being dead - getting the bacteria in the first place was a major plot point).

Add to that the fact that just getting a reasonable growing area was a problem in the book, with the Habs entire floor and several of the bunks being used - the Hab in the movie was a lot more spacious.

Watney losing contact again by destroying the lander was again a major plot point utterly removed.

Rich Purnell comea across as much more interesting in the book, but comes across as a potheaded scatterbrain nerd in the film. Why does he have to explain the basics of space flight to a room full of the top people at Nasa?

The iron man ending was completely unneeded - as was the need to get the captain involved in the rescue, which is not part of the book.

Much more was added to the movie which could have been left out instead if the problem was running time. The initial evacuation sequence was much longer than it needed to be for instance.

The point of the book being so good was that nearly every page was filled with scientific or psuedo scientific solutions to major, life threatening problems - a lot of that was toned down or stripped out of the movie.
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:02 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 13):
The point of the book being so good was that nearly every page was filled with scientific or psuedo scientific solutions to major, life threatening problems - a lot of that was toned down or stripped out of the movie.

That's pretty typical, though, of most movies made from scientific or pseudo-scientific books.

Jurassic Park is a great example.
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:14 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 14):
That's pretty typical, though, of most movies made from scientific or pseudo-scientific books.

Jurassic Park is a great example.

The scientific content in Jurassic Park (another one of my favourite books and films) isn't intended as being the core content of the book tho... Its a support structure for the main story line of dinosaurs being recreated and running amok in a holiday park.

The scientific content in The Martian is very most definitely a core part of the story - thats why it got so much interest in the first place, it was all about scientific solutions to the problems Watney faced in his survival.
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:19 pm

I saw it on a Delta plane a few weeks ago. Honestly not that impressed.
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:03 pm

Folks should ALWAYS read the book first!!! As for a comedy...is wasn't....he had gallows humor....not knowing if he was going to live or die...
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:29 pm

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
Superb, it should win at the Oscars.

I going to disagree with your pick. Bridge of Spies, Mad Max, Spotlight were all better by a wide margin in my humble opinion. I can't figure out where the love is coming from for The Revenant either.
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:45 pm

The book, being mainly inner monologue about Watneys situation and train of thought, was always going to be hard to translate to the screen, but in fact that wasnt what they screwed up on  
 
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RE: The Martian

Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:55 pm

Loved the book though yet to see the film.
But only heard very good things about that too.
 
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RE: The Martian

Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:07 am

Quoting mad99 (Reply 9):
Hollywood film.
Not very believable and you know it will all work out before you see it.
5/10

Have to agree. I enjoyed the film but compared to my space yardstick film (2001 Space Odyssey) this didn't rise to that level.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 12):
The absurdly luxurious Mars Transfer Vehicle.

I laughed my ass off as they were stripping the excess weight off the Transfer Vehicle because the weight values they were using were absurd. For example, they take the nose cone off and liftoff under just a tarp. So that means that the nose didn't really have to be that strong to begin with. Yet they say it weighed 400 KILOS!!!! Sounds like a 100 pound aluminum sheet would have been enough.
Let's face it... every single gram/ounce of weight you have to lift is critical so the ship wouldn't have that much excess mass to begin with. That whole scene was a farce!!!
 
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RE: The Martian

Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:56 am

Quoting photopilot (Reply 21):

I laughed my ass off as they were stripping the excess weight off the Transfer Vehicle because the weight values they were using were absurd. For example, they take the nose cone off and liftoff under just a tarp. So that means that the nose didn't really have to be that strong to begin with. Yet they say it weighed 400 KILOS!!!! Sounds like a 100 pound aluminum sheet would have been enough.
Let's face it... every single gram/ounce of weight you have to lift is critical so the ship wouldn't have that much excess mass to begin with. That whole scene was a farce!!!

Couple of things to bear in mind for that scene - the MAV was usually pressurised, therefor the nose cone was part of the pressure vessel, and it also formed part of the airlock for docking with the MTV.

The reason they needed to strip weight was so to get the MAV to a point where it could launch to a rendezvous that was not in the normal mission parameters, it was well outside the normal mission, so the MAV wasnt carrying excess weight to begin with, it was just carrying excess weight for this specific launch.
 
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RE: The Martian

Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:31 am

Its a MOVIE people, not meant to be taken seriously or be 100% faithful to the book.



It was very entertaining with a great story and well acted.
 
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RE: The Martian

Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:32 am

Quoting moo (Reply 15):
The scientific content in Jurassic Park (another one of my favourite books and films) isn't intended as being the core content of the book tho... Its a support structure for the main story line of dinosaurs being recreated and running amok in a holiday park.

I'd say the scientific content in The Martian (the book) is also support structure for what is ultimately a story of survival.

Quoting photopilot (Reply 21):
I enjoyed the film but compared to my space yardstick film (2001 Space Odyssey) this didn't rise to that level.

Well, literally no other space film will ever achieve the glorious beauty that is 2001.

I'd heard great things about Gravity, so was hoping it might come close.....but it wasn't even remotely close. There are a few films that I just think will never be surpassed in their genres - 2001, The Exorcist, and Apocalypse Now come to mind.
 
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RE: The Martian

Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:20 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 16):
I saw it on a Delta plane a few weeks ago. Honestly not that impressed.

same here!

chicken or pasta?

Quoting photopilot (Reply 21):
Have to agree. I enjoyed the film but compared to my space yardstick film (2001 Space Odyssey) this didn't rise to that level.

it killed 2 hrs on a 12 hour flight. Before that i read mark webber's new book.

delta's ife is not bad and i like when they have old films to watch, i watched american werewolf in london after it.

best film i've seen in a while, and i see loads, is "what we do in the shadows" http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/what_we_do_in_the_shadows/

also

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/man_on_wire/

not that your asking!
 
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RE: The Martian

Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:44 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 24):

I'd say the scientific content in The Martian (the book) is also support structure for what is ultimately a story of survival.

The author has said his intention was the other way round - he picked a story specifically so he could embed lots of science stuff into it.
 
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RE: The Martian

Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:58 am

I wish such expedition were possible right now. Loved the film and will read the book probably this year.

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 3):
He should have died, sorry, but it would have been far better is he had died trying to escape Mars.

Totally disagree with you, not for the sake of happy-ending but for the sake of showing that there are people well trained, educated and responsible that manage to turn a rather bleak and risky situation into something better.

Our world is already full bad news and deaths that we can afford a film with a positive ending.
 
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RE: The Martian

Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:18 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
Disagree. Much better this way.

You could have both, let him die in the capture attempt and go Major Tom...

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
Great lesson for the youngsters...

the lesson being "you can get in crazy dangerous situations and they always have a happy end"?

But the "science rules" message is very nice, especially in a country slowly being taking over by the Schoolboard-Taliban.

best regards
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RE: The Martian

Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:49 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 26):
The author has said his intention was the other way round - he picked a story specifically so he could embed lots of science stuff into it.

And Slash wrote the guitar line in "Sweet Child o'Mine" as an exercise, but it ultimately became a hit.

Author's intentions don't necessarily affect viewer's impression.

Honestly, if it's supposed to be a book about science, it's pretty thin on that. There's a lot of fairly shallow science, but not much in-depth science.

To me, it's much more about Watney's train of thought and quest for survival.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:53 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 15):
The scientific content in Jurassic Park (another one of my favourite books and films) isn't intended as being the core content of the book tho... Its a support structure for the main story line of dinosaurs being recreated and running amok in a holiday park.

My father, as a vertebrarian palaeontologist specialising in early mammals from the cretacious and jurrasic period, liked the book very much, as he said it incorporated the the latest knowledge about dinosaurs, including their social life, which was far from the dumb and sluggish depictions of a generation earlier.

Jan

[Edited 2016-01-22 10:53:56]
 
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RE: The Martian

Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:58 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):

I like happy endings.

It took 30 replies for nobody to pick up on this?

I, for one; am not surprised.

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RE: The Martian

Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:05 pm

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 31):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
I like happy endings.
It took 30 replies for nobody to pick up on this?

I, for one; am not surprised.

      
 
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RE: The Martian

Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:24 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 28):
the lesson being "you can get in crazy dangerous situations and they always have a happy end"?

The lesson being that you work problems one at a time in a systematic fashion and you don't panic. You're allowed a small bit of wallowing in self-pity and then you work the problem.

It's an excellent lesson in life.

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 28):
But the "science rules" message is very nice, especially in a country slowly being taking over by the Schoolboard-Taliban.

Leave it to you to bring up garbage politics.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 29):
To me, it's much more about Watney's train of thought and quest for survival.

Exactly. The science is a by-product.
 
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RE: The Martian

Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:50 am

I quite enjoyed both the book and the movie, myself.

And for all those who are whining that the movie is dumbed down to the point of absurdity, just remember that the reason why Watney is stranded on Mars, in both book and movie, is the most implausible part of the story. Due to the thickness (or rather, lack thereof) of the atmosphere on Mars, a dust storm of the magnitude described is essentially impossible.
 
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RE: The Martian

Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:54 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 33):
It's an excellent lesson in life.

It wouldn't be any worse a lesson if he'd died in the end.

Best regards
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RE: The Martian

Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:57 pm

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 35):
It wouldn't be any worse a lesson if he'd died in the end.

True, but allowing him to live, reinforces the lesson.

Letting him die, would have taught a different, yet important lesson. But, would have been inconsistent with the tone of the book/movie...that using a methodically process, a person can use his abilities and available resources to overcome, what at first, seems an insurmountable set of problems.
 
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RE: The Martian

Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:02 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 16):
I saw it on a Delta plane a few weeks ago. Honestly not that impressed.

And honestly it really is a movie that is better when viewed on a big screen. The key element is the immense loneliness of the location, an entire planet that will kill you.

That is part of why the book can be even better, locations in your mind can be as big as you can imagine. You are inside the characters head when they are feeling and experiencing the situation, you imagine yourself being alone/in that situation.


Quoting photopilot (Reply 21):
Have to agree. I enjoyed the film but compared to my space yardstick film (2001 Space Odyssey) this didn't rise to that level.

Well one key aspect of 2001 is that there was no book first to measure the film by, to set the expectations of the viewing public. The film was groundbreaking and an independent thing when it effectively burst onto the scene, The Martian was not.

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 35):
It wouldn't be any worse a lesson if he'd died in the end.

And equally it was not "worse" because he lived. It was how the story was written by the author.

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Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:33 pm

Quoting Tugger (Reply 37):
Well one key aspect of 2001 is that there was no book first to measure the film by, to set the expectations of the viewing public. The film was groundbreaking and an independent thing when it effectively burst onto the scene, The Martian was not.

Unless you take into account The Sentinel of course...
 
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Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:22 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 13):

Rich Purnell comea across as much more interesting in the book, but comes across as a potheaded scatterbrain nerd in the film. Why does he have to explain the basics of space flight to a room full of the top people at Nasa?

Yeah that part really bugged me. I know they intentionally include scenes like that to really dumb down and explain the science to the public but I'm thinking, really? That's his big epiphany and that's something that hadn't occurred to anyone at NASA?

The movie was good but I wasn't blown away.
 
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Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:22 pm

Quoting Tugger (Reply 37):
Well one key aspect of 2001 is that there was no book first to measure the film by, to set the expectations of the viewing public. The film was groundbreaking and an independent thing when it effectively burst onto the scene, The Martian was not.

True enough that there was no 2001 book to judge the film by. But also in my case I have not read the Martian book and frankly didn't know anything about the film other than a general plot outline from the trailers. So in my mind, the viewing experiences would have been about equal in expectations.

However, that said, these days with CGI, the expectation should naturally be higher given the advanced cinematic and digital effects available to today's film makers. And BTW, the Martian was very well done technically with a few minor quibbles. For me, where it did not rise to the occasion was storyline. Really nothing more than a space version of Cast Away spiced with different technical challenges. The Martian didn't provoke the deeper philosophical though that the storyline of 2001 did.
 
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RE: The Martian

Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:35 pm

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 39):
That's his big epiphany and that's something that hadn't occurred to anyone at NASA?

Well in reality, constant-thrust trajectories are more difficult to calculate than traditional Hohmann transfers and orbital mechanics has a number of non-intuitive characteristics.
 
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RE: The Martian

Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:15 pm

Quoting photopilot (Reply 40):
The Martian didn't provoke the deeper philosophical though that the storyline of 2001 did.

Well Clarke and Kubrick wanted to chart the evolution of humanity from apes, with intervention from a higher species, to eventually meeting this several million years in advance of us civilisation once humans got into spaceflight.
Andy Weir a self confessed nerd did not really start out from that premise at all!

I also regard 2001 as one of the few good, or even true to the genre, Sci Fi movies.
Most are not, certainly not Star Wars in all it's various forms (saw the original when I was 11, liked it but grew up so had no desire to see the sequels, much less the re-boots).

Weir has admitted that he was compelled to use a rather strong (to put it mildly) Martian storm to establish Watney's situation, after racking his brains to find alternatives that worked.
From the book at least, he seems to have done his research, a line for line adaptation from book to film would be at least 3-4 hours long.

At least he gets to grips with the hazards manned Mars missions would face, hence the Hermes having a rotating section to provide gravity - something being studied again in real life after initial experiments in the 60's - that craft's propulsion system is not too exotic and cutting a couple of months off the journey time helps with the other big danger, radiation exposure beyond the Earth's magnetic field. As does his 'Ares' programme having a bunch of missions each having a month on Mars rather than the much longer stay times from studies of the last 20 years on a Planet with no magnetic field protection either.

Add in what we are seeing with for instance, Space X and their efforts to make properly re-useable rockets, Weir's depiction of 'Ares' also being about a lot of equipment being sent on ahead of landings, as well as building and supporting something like Hermes seems much more plausible than even a decade ago.
 
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RE: The Martian

Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:47 pm

Finished the book last night. I was a little surprised at how suddenly it ended. I expected it to cover further developments. But I guess given its focus, there was no need.

Overall, it was a very entertaining book. I found myself thinking about it quite often during the day, eagerly anticipating picking it up again at night.

And Mark Watney is a great character. I can very much identify with his sense of humor, etc.

All that said, to be perfectly honest, I think it could have used another 50-100 pages. Sometimes it felt like it barely scratched the surface of some of the science, and maybe emotional content too. At the end, I was thinking that I got through the book so fast, that it didn't really feel like Watney had been trapped on Mars for over a year.

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