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Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:13 pm

Be aware the rules have changed and you may not be allowed in via ESTA anymore :



The US Department of State has announced on its website that the Department of Homeland Security has begun the process of implementing changes to the traveler eligibility requirements of the Visa Waiver Program mandated by the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015, as enacted on December 18, 2015. The Department of Homeland Security will announce any changes affecting travellers to the United States from Visa Waiver Program countries as soon as that information is available.

http://travel.state.gov/content/visa.../en/visit/visa-waiver-program.html

In a number of countries, including UK, France, Germany, the traveller eligibility requirements of the Visa Waiver Program have been changed in the last couple of days. According to the new requirements, people who have travelled to Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria since March 2011, or are dual nationals of these countries, will no longer qualify for entry under the VWP and existing ESTAs could be revoked. These people will instead need to apply for a visa from the nearest US Embassy or Consulate.

It is expected that these changes will become effective for all visa waiver countries by end of January 2016. "
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:04 am

....with the exceptions for journalists and foreign aid workers.

a question coming up is, I used to have a B1/B2 Visa, multiple entries, , no expiration date. That Visa was cancelled because of the waiver program. At least for Business trips, even the visit of a trade fair, I would need the B1 again, by logic the old visa should be / could be re-activated. I think I know tha answer but it is always worth to ask.
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:12 pm

A lot of German companies are considering doing trade with Iran again, as the sanctions have been dropped, due to historical reasons Germany has a good reputation there. The same applies to France. Of course this would involve a lot of business trips and meetings. The US rules would mean that doing business in Iran would disrupt the business the same people do in the US. Also, German banks are still worried about accepting payments from Iran or financing business deals, as the American rules have not been clarified and they are afraid of their US branches getting punished.

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Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:16 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
A lot of German companies are considering doing trade with Iran again

I used to travel to Iran and the US while at the same job. The first time I got to the US I had some extra scrutiny (not only Iran, also Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria, etc.) but in the end they just waved me in.

OTOH, Iran did not mind at all me showing up with US stamps.

This can probably be cincumvented by getting a second passport for entry to Iran only, and keeping the main passport clean for entry to the US. Just like business travelers have been doing for years with Israel and other Arab countries.
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:22 pm

Quoting JJJ (Reply 3):
This can probably be cincumvented by getting a second passport for entry to Iran only, and keeping the main passport clean for entry to the US. Just like business travelers have been doing for years with Israel and other Arab countries.

Indeed, but it would feel rather odd having to have a 2nd passport for entry into the US.
 
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Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:05 pm

Quoting JJJ (Reply 3):
This can probably be cincumvented by getting a second passport for entry to Iran only, and keeping the main passport clean for entry to the US. Just like business travelers have been doing for years with Israel and other Arab countries.

But doing that and declaring you have not visited Iran is a criminal offence if the new rules are anything to go by.
 
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Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:50 am

I wonder if an existing ESTA is OK. I think I'm in the clear by a margin of about six months but I know loads of people who have been to Iran since March 2011 but have a current ESTA. The US are in the process of revoking ESTAs issued to dual nationals because that is declared on the ESTA application. But a personal travel history — where does the law stand on that?
 
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Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:34 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 6):

I wonder if an existing ESTA is OK. I think I'm in the clear by a margin of about six months but I know loads of people who have been to Iran since March 2011 but have a current ESTA. The US are in the process of revoking ESTAs issued to dual nationals because that is declared on the ESTA application. But a personal travel history — where does the law stand on that?

I thought about that as well. I'm going to Iran in April and thought about going to America in the autumn, so I wondered whether I could just get an ESTA now and then disregard the new regulation. But I figured it's probably not worth it, the risk is too high and the TSA can do as they please.. not worth risking your holiday over.
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:47 am

Quoting Rara (Reply 7):
I could just get an ESTA now and then disregard the new regulation. But I figured it's probably not worth it, the risk is too high and the TSA can do as they please.. not worth risking your holiday over.

Agreed. I would just make an appointment with the embassy and explain your reasons for travelling to Iran. Lucky I was there before 2011 so will not be effected by this. It would put me off going in future though as I would not want to risk loosing the abilities for ESTA.
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:45 am

The US's hypocrisy in picking and choosing its friends in the Middle East is ridiculous. Let's let bygones be bygones with regards to Iran and not be deluded into thinking that everyone who goes into a country with a mass of legitimate business opportunities and cultural heritage tourism has to have bad motivations. Apparently going to global terrorism funders and sponsors like Saudi Arabia and Qatar is fine because they sell us cheap oil. Remind me where Bin Laden and all his goons came from? Right, the Bush family's best friends!
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:35 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 9):

Great post mate. Sums it up quite perfectly. More fake security measures that will have no effect as all terrorists of the last few years in the USA and Europe were homegrown terrorists anyway.

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):

Well, I will still be going to Iran in February, despite having booked three trips to the USA later this year. The USA won't decide for me where I travel to and where not.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 1):

The site the op posted makes it quite clear that you can still get into the USA, but not on basis of the WVP program anymore. So everyone affected, even German citizens like us will no need a B1 (business) or B2 (tourist) visa. Cost at the Berlin embassy is 160$. The visa can be issued for 10 years if we don't seem fishy to them.
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:04 pm

Quoting CARST (Reply 10):
So everyone affected, even German citizens like us will no need a B1 (business) or B2 (tourist) visa. Cost at the Berlin embassy is 160$. The visa can be issued for 10 years if we don't seem fishy to them.

I guess that's what I will have to do, as I had a 10-hour layover in Iran in 2014 (during which I took a taxi into Tehran for a quick visit and a Zam Zam Cola). I'll make an appointment with the consulate in Frankfurt, the fee is $160 and according to the web site I can get an appointment in 8 days.

I'm only wondering if my Global Entry will continue to work if I enter with a visa instead of an ESTA.

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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:19 pm

Iraq, Sudan and Syria are understandable as these countries are a mess full of jihadists, but Iran, with which the world and the US is having much better relations these days, that doesn't make any sense.

After that Americans wonder why we care about US politics!
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:49 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 12):
After that Americans wonder why we care about US politics!

Just pray that the lunatic republicans won't win in the next elections. Then the Western World actually stands a chance to improve relations with Iran for a longer time...
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:38 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
But doing that and declaring you have not visited Iran is a criminal offence if the new rules are anything to go by.

It's also an offence to lie about having visited Israel when going to Saudi Arabia and I know dozens of people have done so besides myself.
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:19 pm

Quoting CARST (Reply 10):

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 9):

Great post mate. Sums it up quite perfectly. More fake security measures that will have no effect as all terrorists of the last few years in the USA and Europe were homegrown terrorists anyway.

The irony is that they justified this measure following the San Bernardino attacks which were committed by Pakistanis radicalized in Saudi Arabia, a pattern which applies to many of the US's "homegrown" terrorists. Last I checked none of these attacks were committed by Iranians and even more ridiculous is the fact that many Iranian-Americans who the US is effectively blocking from going to Iran are from families that supported the Shah and are opposed to the current Islamist regime in Iran, just like many Cuban-Americans left Cuba because they were opposed to Castro. But apparently to Congress these nuances mean nothing and everywhere and everyone in the Middle East is the same.

As a US citizen does going to Iran mean you could lose Global Entry, PreCheck and the like?
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:44 pm

Quoting JJJ (Reply 14):
It's also an offence to lie about having visited Israel when going to Saudi Arabia and I know dozens of people have done so besides myself.

When entering Israel you can ask them to stamp a piece of paper instead of the passport. They do this knowing that you'll likely visit a country that wants it dead, maybe even countries that have attacked Israel before.

AFAIK you can enter Israel with any stamp, for sure an Iran stamp is permitted but you'll be asked a few questions.

Iran should do the same, stamp apiece of paper
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:24 pm

Quoting mad99 (Reply 16):
Iran should do the same, stamp apiece of paper

Cuba does the same I never got a stamp there either. My concern would be if going to Iran and buying a ticket from an EU country could your flight data be accessed and used. You never know what gets passed on these days. The EU sends data to the USA all the time for various reasons and things the USA deems a criminal act or investigations.
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:29 pm

The US monitors passenger lists worldwide so if you have been to Iran there is an excellent chance they know about it.
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:39 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 18):

The US monitors passenger lists worldwide so if you have been to Iran there is an excellent chance they know about it.

But is that a problem as a US (not EU) citizen?
 
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Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:08 am

Quoting mad99 (Reply 16):

When entering Israel you can ask them to stamp a piece of paper instead of the passport.

Is this not standard procedure for travellers arriving by air at TLV? I know a trial was introduced in about 2012 but understood it became standard practice in 2013.

It remained the case for land crossings you would still have an exit stamp from either Jordan or Egypt with it being rather obvious where you exited to.
 
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Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:45 am

Quoting mad99 (Reply 16):
AFAIK you can enter Israel with any stamp, for sure an Iran stamp is permitted but you'll be asked a few questions.

More than a few questions.

I was held at TLV immigration, samples I was carrying broken to see what might be inside and all the customers I was planning to visit called late at night until they would let me go.

The whole thing lasted a good two hours.

The following time I entered on a clean passport I was just saved through.
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:12 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 18):
The US monitors passenger lists worldwide

Really? Would IranAir make these available to the us gov?

Quoting WearyDrover (Reply 20):
Is this not standard procedure for travellers arriving by air at TLV?

My experience is you get a stamp unless you request the paper

Quoting JJJ (Reply 21):
More than a few questions.

ha ha for sure

Quoting JJJ (Reply 21):
I was held at TLV immigration, samples I was carrying broken to see what might be inside and all the customers I was planning to visit called late at night until they would let me go.

I've never had any issues entering Israel, its like any country, but the exit ...
What i have learned is you do not lie about anything because if they catch you they will not take any chances.

When they ask the first questions i have to say yes to several and that gets the ball rolling...
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:57 am

Quoting mad99 (Reply 22):
My experience is you get a stamp unless you request the paper

Correct.

Quoting mad99 (Reply 22):
I've never had any issues entering Israel, its like any country, but the exit ..

Same here even when I did a MR for a day trip to TLV. I was grilled with lots of questions on departure even having to show them photos on my camera of the tour bus I took and what I bought but after seeing the photos they knew I was telling the truth and let me go and even told me I was welcome to visit again in future. They were quite friendly.
 
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Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:17 pm

Quoting mad99 (Reply 22):
I've never had any issues entering Israel, its like any country,

You probably did not have your passport chock full of Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc. entry visas then  
 
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Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:58 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 23):
show them photos on my camera

My first visit to Israel i entered by bus from Jordan and they made me take a pic of the ceiling to prove the camera wasn't a gun.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 23):
after seeing the photos they knew I was telling the truth and let me go

They ask you the same questions several times in different orders to see if you stick to it. Once i was next to a man who said contradicting stories about where he lived. Once they had two different answers they asked him why he was lying to them and he just got upset as his flight was about to leave. They just kept asking why the lies and he couldn't give a reason so they took him away for further questioning as he was screaming about the missed flight.

Once, after i had been through the first security and had checked in and was walking towards the final security, a man stopped me and said come with me. They xrayed all my stuff and i had to strip down to my underwear and then he said that my laptop would need to be checked in or left behind and they would post it. I asked why and he said he couldn't tell me and i was escorted to the gate.






Quoting JJJ (Reply 24):
You probably did not have your passport chock full of Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc. entry visas then

No but i did have Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Africa stamps. On entry they never seamed to care unless i was flying elal then they would want to discuss  
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:07 pm

Quoting mad99 (Reply 25):
They ask you the same questions several times in different orders to see if you stick to it.

Totally that was my experience on both occassions.   
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:39 am

Quoting CARST (Reply 10):
The USA won't decide for me where I travel to and where not.

Wow, what an independent rebel you are. 5 million UK passport holders visit the US every year; how many visit Iran?

....all the US is doing is having a tiny tiny tiny tiny number of Europeans who currently enjoy VISA FREE travel re-join the visa process that everyone else in the world besides Europeans must use if they want to go to America.

Given Europe's wide-open door to countries who don't enjoy visa-free travel to America nor any country in Europe, it seems rational enough to me if they want to start taking a closer look at certain European visitors.



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Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:08 pm

European data protection regulators, including the Irish Data Protection Commissioner, are meeting today to consider plans to start restricting trans-Atlantic flows of personal data.

The meeting comes as European and US negotiators missed a deadline to agree a key data transfer pact.

Talks remain snagged over a new oversight role and options for European citizens to seek redress over data privacy violations.

Discussions are continuing, however, and a deal could be clinched in the coming days.

"There have been constructive but difficult talks over the weekend," a spokesman for the European Commission said.

"Work is still ongoing, we are not there yet, but the Commission is working day and night on achieving a deal."

European Union data protection law bars companies from transferring EU citizens' personal data to countries outside the bloc deemed to have insufficient privacy safeguards, like the US.

Cross-border transfers are used in many industries for sharing employee information or when consumer data is shared to complete credit card, travel or ecommerce transactions.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0202/764741-data/
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:36 am

This is a disgusting, racist joke of legislation. The EU is now considering lifting all visa waivers for people from the US in reciprocation.
 
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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:05 pm

The VWP web site at State.gov still says "Certain other travelers who fall under this restriction may qualify for a waiver of the requirements. More information about possible waivers is forthcoming."

http://travel.state.gov/content/visa.../en/visit/visa-waiver-program.html

Any ideas who might expect a waiver, and how far in the future "forthcoming" means?

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RE: Travelled To Iran On A UK,French,German Passport?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:41 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 30):
Any ideas who might expect a waiver, and how far in the future "forthcoming" means?

Waivers will primarily have to do with dual-national citizens and those that might technically hold foreign citizenship based on foreign countries law, but have not applied for it.

For example as below article from last week mentions - a British citizen whose father is an Iranian is, under Iranian law, considered an Iranian national even if the person has never been to Iran or sought to be come Iranian citizen.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/us-visa-waiver-iran-219018

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