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Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:51 pm

Berniesaurus loses against Slick HIlly - 48% vs. 52% in Nevada!


 

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Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 200):
Berniesaurus loses against Slick HIlly - 48% vs. 52% in Nevada!

Awesome!   

Based on his horrible performance with minorities, Clinton's also going to slaughter him in both S.Carolina and on Super Tuesday.....

It's very conceivable that the only two states Sanders is likely to win are Vermont and Massachusetts.
 
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Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:24 am

I want to see Trump v. Hillary for POTUS.

I want to see a dirty election campaign right until the end.

May the show go on!

Long live the circus!

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 190):
With the Nevada caucus approaching, Bunny Ranch sex workers endorse Hillary.

Hardly a surprise given how wives like her cause their husbands to have uncontrollable appetites for other woman and therefore help keep sex workers in business  
 
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Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:26 am

I am glad Hillary took Nevada, a diverse state more representative of the nation as a whole. I'm not sure old man Sanders can win a national election.
 
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Sun Feb 21, 2016 1:12 am

Hillary took Nevada and it looks like Trump is taking SC.

On a side note, right now Jeb Bush is second last, in front of Carson behind Kasich. He gave what seemed to be his best in SC; campaigned statewide with his brother and mother; can't even come top four, let alone top three.

Will Jeb Bush finally drop out? I expect that Carson will drop out but Bush seems a little more stubborn. Kasich coming 4th might give him morale to continue onto the race.

[Edited 2016-02-20 17:13:25]
 
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It looks like in the Republican only SC primary (the Democrats get their primary next Saturday in SC), at about the time of this post and about 25% of districts in and exit polling results, Trump is in the lead with about 34%, likely winning a huge majority of districts so those allocated delegates, with Rubio and Cruz battling 2nd & 3rd, with around 20-22% each behind him. The rest of the field pretty much is way behind in the single digits. Likely this will chase out the Dr. Carson who apparently is in last, possibly Jeb Bush as well. It appears that Trump brought out a lot of primary voters for him. There seems to be a split of the evangelical Christian vote. I suspect Trump is getting a lot of EC's due to his hateful statements toward Muslims.

In the Democrat only caucus in NV, Hillary Clinton seems to have 52-53% and Sanders about 47-48% with about 85% of all votes recorded. HRC should be worried about Sanders. It seems HRC got a lot of the Hispanic/Latino vote due to her clear statements recently to make allowing illegally residing persons to stay as a first 100 days priority if President and Sanders coming off weaker to Latino/Hispanics. Still Sanders larger economic message is getting a lot of votes from the better known HRC.
 
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Sun Feb 21, 2016 1:49 am

Jeb Bush is out.

Looks like the establishment is going Rubio or bust.
 
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Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:36 am

Trump made a terrible showing in that victory speech - no kudos to Bush, a bizarre speech from his model wife, lol WTF is going on
 
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Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:25 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 202):
I want to see Trump v. Hillary for POTUS.

I just don't see Trump winning the nomination; the GOP nominee will be likely Cruz or Rubio. (expecting Bush's supporter to go behind Rubio.)

But if Trump is nominee I'm seeing a Hillary landslide like Bush vs Dukakis 1988. The GOP party will be shattered ...maybe even gone for good...

[Edited 2016-02-21 10:26:58]
 
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Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:35 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 208):

I just don't see Trump winning the nomination; the GOP nominee will be likely Cruz or Rubio. (expecting Bush's supporter to go behind Rubio.)

Probably Mr. Rubio. Everyone in the GOP despises Mr. Cruz. At that point, Mr. Trump throws a tantrum and goes independent and it's 1992 all over again.

Oh, did I mention that there's dirt on Mr. Rubio? Man's a closet case.
 
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Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:13 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 199):
I'd say about the worst thing he could POSSIBLY have done, was reintroduce his idiot brother to the mainstream (and by association, Cheney).

Actually, I think it was the logical thing to do. Nothing he has done so far has worked and he kept a ton of distance from his brother. He really had nothing to lose and everything to gain throwing a Hail Mary and bringing out W. Did not work but it wasn't working before either

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 209):
Oh, did I mention that there's dirt on Mr. Rubio? Man's a closet case.

Do tell. I heard he's a nervous wreck but not much beyond that

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Looks like it's gonna be a nasty fight on the GOP side. Cruz will probably keep his 20% (as much as I despise the man I'm surprised he isn't winning by a huge margin) and Trump has made it this far, he will probably continue to do very well. Carson is no threat. Kasich is the biggest barrier to Rubio, I wouldn't be surprised if they preemptively made Kasich VP now. They need to get Kasich out of the way, that way Rubio may start beating or coming close to Trump. Having a FL Pres and Ohio VP would also be very good swing state wise, the GOP needs all the help they can get electorally.

Bernie has had a tough road and not beating Hillary in NV makes it all the harder. Not saying winning NV would have propelled him to victory, it just would have made his journey less difficult.

A real wrench in everything is if Hillary gets indited. If she wins THEN gets indited, it's very bad news for the Dems. I'm sure Bernie would swoop in but I wouldn't be surprised if someone else tries to usurp their way in. Could get messy. We shall see, the email thing looks very sketchy but the GOP has cried wolf wayyyyy to many times, I am demanding a higher burden of proof these days, unfortunately
 
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Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:57 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 210):

Do tell. I heard he's a nervous wreck but not much beyond that

At this point it's tabloid-level stuff.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/b...marco-rubios-gay-scandal-surfaces/

Having said that, Towel Road picked it up and they are a gay rag, but they tend to do their fact checking:

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/02/marco-rubio-gay/

At this point, I'd like it to stay quiet. Give him the nomination. And then someone like Larry Flynt can come down on him like a ton of bricks.

And this is relevant. I do not want a President who can be easily blackmailed. And also, while I'm willing to respect the personal life of politicians who do not politicize the personal lives of others, when you vow to reinstate DOMA, ignore Obergefel, align with NOM, and favor government contractors who do discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, then you reap what you sow. If he is gay, he had a choice to man up about it (I did) and be true to himself. But if he made a choice to be a self-hating bigot instead, then he can lie in the bed he made.

[Edited 2016-02-21 12:13:29]
 
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Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:24 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 205):
It seems HRC got a lot of the Hispanic/Latino vote due to her clear statements recently to make allowing illegally residing persons to stay as a first 100 days priority if President

Pandering to minorities. Bleeeech.

I just read that amoung the younger Nevada voters, Clinton is behind Sanders with a... difference of 55 percent! Do your thing, Bernie!


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Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:34 pm

Did Christie endorse anyone yet?
 
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Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:04 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 212):
I just read that amoung the younger Nevada voters, Clinton is behind Sanders with a... difference of 55 percent! Do your thing, Bernie!

That's pretty much how it is nationwide. I believe in the 18-30 demographic, Sanders out-polls Clinton by even more than that, around 70-30. The problem with that, however, is that 18-30 is also the demographic that sees the lowest voter turnout.
 
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Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:17 pm

Quoting adipasquale (Reply 214):
is that 18-30 is also the demographic that sees the lowest voter turnout.

Yes, sadly. That's the same thing everywhere.

But then, there are some referendums on cannabis legalization going on this year. They will make younger people register for voting... and getting them interested for politics.

And then, it's rather the younger voters that are swing voters. There is no use in going after staunch democrats, because they will vote for the democratic candidate anyway.


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Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:25 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 212):
I just read that amoung the younger Nevada voters, Clinton is behind Sanders with a... difference of 55 percent! Do your thing, Bernie!

The risk is that if Bernie gets the nomination, the GOP will use it to trigger a "Red scare", branding him a communist (he is not even socialist, maybe centrist social democrat by European standards) and the American public will be scared into voting for a true rightwinger.

This opinion was told to me by a half-American friend (who has dual German-American citizenship and has spend about half of her life in the US). Here in Germany she is a member of the Social Democrat party, so you can see where her sympathies lie. She doesn't like Hillary (too much connected to the Wall Street establishment and possibly corrupt), but she will vote for her as a lesser evil if it comes to pick between her, Trump or Cruz.

Frankly, Cruz scares me. He is way too religious and I don't want to have such a person in control of one of the largest nuclear arsenals, not after what he spouted about carpet bombing Syria. He could trigger a nuclear war because "his God told him so".

As for Trump, I don't trust him either. I don't know in how far he backs the agressive rethorics of his. I can see him getting into a willy waving contest with the equally macho Putin, with neither of the two wanting to back down or to use reason, just to preserve their macho image. You currently see what is happening between the similarly minded Erdogan and Putin.

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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 216):

The risk is that if Bernie gets the nomination, the GOP will use it to trigger a "Red scare", branding him a communist (he is not even socialist, maybe centrist social democrat by European standards) and the American public will be scared into voting for a true rightwinger.

That said, the GOP has such an outrageously weak selection of candidates (a dominionist with a face everyone wants to punch, an open clown and racist, and a bland and uninspiring guy with possible skeletons in his closet who spouts off dominionist BS), Bernie might actually have a shot. And with Trump splitting the vote with whomever gets the GOP nod...

Against a man like Mr. McCain or even Mr. Romney, I think he'd get clobbered. But in the current set of circumstances, I think he's got a shot.
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:46 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 210):
Kasich is the biggest barrier to Rubio,

Kasich is the safety option for the GOP. Right now we have an Apprentice and two Cubans at the top of the list. Cruz has shown to be a pretty sorry dog for corrupt campaigning and should stay in 2nd or 3rd place (with luck). I trust Rub

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 210):
If she wins THEN gets invited, it's very bad news for the Dems.

It might also be bad news for the GOP. The State Department IG that is "investigating" those emails is a known Clinton Hater and there are questions as to who are "requesting" some emails be classified. The GOPO has no desire for those issues to be investigated.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 211):
At this point it's tabloid-level stuff.

But it is interesting and I'll be surprised if it doesn't become an issue in the election at some level. Trump is pretty good at mentioning various issues that he sees in the newspaper. This would be a great one for one of the debates in one of the Evangelical States.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 211):
At this point, I'd like it to stay quiet. Give him the nomination. And then someone like Larry Flynt can come down on him like a ton of bricks.

Personally I would like to see Rubio gone ASAP. Same for Cruz. As odd as it is I think Trump will be better for the gay community than any other Republican. He has enough years working with multiple types of people not to understand that it is performance and not some name tag that counts.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 216):
The risk is that if Bernie gets the nomination, the GOP will use it to trigger a "Red scare", branding him a communist (he is not even socialist, maybe centrist social democrat by European standards) and the American public will be scared into voting for a true rightwinger.

Of course Bernie would be a classic for a Red Scare attack. The 5 second commercial: What's the difference between a socialist and a communist? Not much.
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:47 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 217):
That said, the GOP has such an outrageously weak selection of candidates (a dominionist with a face everyone wants to punch, an open clown and racist, and a bland and uninspiring guy with possible skeletons in his closet who spouts off dominionist BS), Bernie might actually have a shot. And with Trump splitting the vote with whomever gets the GOP nod...

Against a man like Mr. McCain or even Mr. Romney, I think he'd get clobbered. But in the current set of circumstances, I think he's got a shot.

Good luck with Bernie having a shot, the only way he can win a national election is if Donald Trump is the GOP nominee. I have a hard time seeing this country electing an out and about socialist. He has better chances of winning if he were to say he is an open atheist, which would also be an uphill battle. This country will not be going for that. The communist sace would be coming so fast on him it is not even funny.
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:57 am

Quoting casinterest (Reply 206):

Jeb Bush is out.

Please clap.
 
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Quoting chepos (Reply 219):

Good luck with Bernie having a shot, the only way he can win a national election is if Donald Trump is the GOP nominee.

Or if Mr. Trump goes Independent and competes against the GOP nominee. When Marco Rubio is your strongest candidate and he's trailing in the primaries, you have a big problem.

Even the GOP candidates themselves are making jokes about how the GOP Presidential field is a clown car. But over at the DNC, you have two very serious candidates running two very serious campaigns. There's this general sense that the REAL election is the Democratic Convention and the general election will simply be a formality. I've never seen anything like this before in 38 years.

Quoting chepos (Reply 219):
He has better chances of winning if he were to say he is an open atheist, which would also be an uphill battle.

He kinda already did.

Quoting chepos (Reply 219):
This country will not be going for that. The communist sace would be coming so fast on him it is not even funny.

The thing about it is that he already said he was a socialist. So it's kind of when I say I'm gay, you can't hurl it back at me as an insult because it doesn't work.

[Edited 2016-02-21 22:15:13]
 
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Quoting chepos (Reply 219):
The communist sace would be coming so fast on him it is not even funny.

Perhaps so, but that's going to open other cans of worms. There were some new memes going around with the recent Reagan anniversary entitled 'Obama made a deal with Iran, but Reagan sold them weapons - who's the traitor now?' Too many foreign policy skeletons in the GOP's closet should they choose to go down that road. Sanders is talking about getting Congress to rescind MFN status for China - hardly a commie lover.

And anyway the Doc is right - Rubio is going to have a big problem on his hands soon. Alex Jones and other GOP provocateurs are already all over his burgeoning gay scandal.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20160129
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:01 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 221):
There's this general sense that the REAL election is the Democratic Convention and the general election will simply be a formality.

A 'general sense'... among who???
 
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 221):
He kinda already did.

I must've missed that... what happened?



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 222):
Too many foreign policy skeletons in the GOP's closet should they choose to go down that road.

That won't be a problem at all, as these people are armed with the most potent/powerful cognitive dissonance imaginable.

Don't like the history? ...easy fix: simply pretend that it never happened, or (as is typical in the case of GOP recollection of Reagan) just pretend that the EXACT OPPOSITE of what actually occurred, happened.
 
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Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 224):

Don't like the history? ...easy fix: simply pretend that it never happened, or (as is typical in the case of GOP recollection of Reagan) just pretend that the EXACT OPPOSITE of what actually occurred, happened.

Didn't Reagan tell some Holocaust survivor that he was there when Dachau was liberated? In a movie maybe.

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Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 224):

I must've missed that... what happened?

I'm at work so I can't go searching YouTube but look up his answer to a question about his faith. He gave a long-winded answer that basically amounted to "I'm a Humanist."
 
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Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:33 am

This GOP primary keeps getting juicier and juicier. Ted Cruz has fired his communications director for posting a deceiving video questioning Rubio's faith.

The damage, I think, has been done. Too many things going on for the "TrusTED" that has made people question whether he (or his campaign) has been engaging in too many dirty tricks. It only serves to validate Trump's point that Cruz is "slimy" and can't be trusted.

In other news, Rubio is betting a win in Nevada. Rachel Maddow just pointed something important about the state: it has a significant Mormon population. An endorsement from Mitt Romney would have helped tip the scale in his favor. However, Romney has so far refused to endorse anyone. It raises the question of whether Romney considers Rubio as the best candidate or not.

If Rubio does not win Nevada (and it looks like he won't), there's the thought that the 3 man race could just turn to a 2 man race and end up in a fractured convention.

Someone pass the popcorn. This is getting interesting.
 
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Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:47 am

One has to scratch their head to all of the potential "developments" this year.

We know that Trump has indicated that a 3rd party run is possible if he is treated unfairly (as a jury rigged convention would generate) and I can see Bernie listening to his ego if Hillary gets the needed delegates. So we could have Hillary (D), some Republican, Trump (I) and Sanders (I) on the ballot in November. Then we could have Rubio being outed BIG time - screwing his chances and leaving us with Cruz, who is hated so much by the party that they jury rig the Convention for Katich.
 
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Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:01 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 228):
We know that Trump has indicated that a 3rd party run is possible if he is treated unfairly (as a jury rigged convention would generate) and I can see Bernie listening to his ego if Hillary gets the needed delegates. So we could have Hillary (D), some Republican, Trump (I) and Sanders (I) on the ballot in November. Then we could have Rubio being outed BIG time - screwing his chances and leaving us with Cruz, who is hated so much by the party that they jury rig the Convention for Katich.

Just when we though it could not get weirder, it does. The powers that be are trying it all on both sides. One has to love the Super Delegates and their function, hmmn, what is their function anyway? It could not be to control could it? Nah!!!!
 
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Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:48 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 228):
So we could have Hillary (D), some Republican, Trump (I) and
Sanders (I) on the ballot in November.

What about Michael Bloomberg then? Will he or will he not launch his own campaign?
 
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Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:18 am

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 227):
Rachel Maddow just pointed something important about the state

She also pointed out two other interesting factoids:
  • At no point in history has a GOPer who won NH (white, northern, moderate) + SC (mixed race, southern, conservative) ever gone on to lose the nomination. Trump has won both, handily.
  • Rubio has not actually won anything, and doesn't appear set TO win anything any time soon...



    Quoting Ken777 (Reply 228):
    Then we could have Rubio being outed BIG time

    While I 100% support forcibly outing any closet-cases who actively work against LGBT rights....

    I've gotta say: if the best that his opposition has are blurry obscure pictures at some bubble party, who could realistically be anyone; then they're not going to be successful in that endeavor.
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    Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 229):
    Just when we though it could not get weirder, it does. The powers that be are trying it all on both sides. One has to love the Super Delegates and their function, hmmn, what is their function anyway? It could not be to control could it? Nah!!!!

    I think after this election cycle, Democrats may do away with superdelegates while the GOP looks to adopt it. If the RNC had a system similar to the DNC's, there would be no question as to who the candidate will be as superdelegates start to pledge allegiance to Rubio (or Kasich). But with 3 superdelegates from each state, if Trump sweeps Super Tuesday, Cruz and Rubio will have a hard time trying to catch up, especially if they land with 0 delegates as they did in SC.

    As for the DNC, if the convention is decided specifically by superdelegates, expect a backlash against the nominee. DWS has done a poor job of handling the party and, while superdelegates are free to switch as they please, it's too obvious that the party heavily favors Clinton (and not that I'm against Clinton, but the party itself should remain neutral).

    I think superdelegates CAN exist, but their allegiance should only be known in case there's no outright majority in the party convention. Otherwise, you get cases like this where all of the party establishment backing Clinton is a "bad" sign, that the establishment is "not progressive" and corrupt.
     
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    Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 231):
    if the best that his opposition has are blurry obscure pictures at some bubble party

    There is also the arrest and that is more important than the bubble party pic. If it is going to come out I think it needs to come out soon in order to give Katich an opportunity to get his votes in the primaries.

    Quoting einsteinboric (Reply 232):
    I think after this election cycle, Democrats may do away with superdelegates

    I hope not - they could be the saving grace for the Democrats with Bernie, the Short Time Democrat, being too much of a potential failure to get the nomination.

    Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 232):
    DWS has done a poor job of handling the party and

    Sadly the DNC can do little with Bernie. He's been on his own and bulled his way into the Primaries - and has done well with the teenagers. I think Hillary will get the needed delegates on her own, but it is nice to have the protection of the super delegates.

    Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 232):
    As for the DNC, if the convention is decided specifically by super delegates, expect a backlash against the nominee.

    Not really. The kids will be yelling, but the older, long time Democrats will be relieved. At some point there is a need to look at who can win in November and Bernie will be facing a brick wall then.
     
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    Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:19 pm

    Quoting Ken777 (Reply 233):
    Quoting einsteinboric (Reply 232):
    I think after this election cycle, Democrats may do away with superdelegates

    I hope not - they could be the saving grace for the Democrats with Bernie, the Short Time Democrat, being too much of a potential failure to get the nomination.

    See, I think that the establishment deserves a voice, but not an overwhelming voice. Sure, pledged delegates are over 4/5s of the delegates, but if Clinton wins because she had an advantage of pledged superdelegates vs Bernie's superior pledged delegates, it's not going to be seen as fair.

    Think about the 2000 election: something parallel happened. The candidate the people wanted (Gore) lost to the one the states wanted (Bush). Similarly, the candidate the people could want (Bernie by number of pledged delegates in this case) loses to the one the establishment wants (Clinton with superdelegate advantage).

    Quoting Ken777 (Reply 233):
    Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 232):
    DWS has done a poor job of handling the party and

    Sadly the DNC can do little with Bernie.

    It can remain neutral and so far it hasn't. I'm by no means a Sanders supporter, but the bias from the DNC leadership is obvious, and it shouldn't be so.

    Quoting Ken777 (Reply 233):
    Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 232):
    As for the DNC, if the convention is decided specifically by super delegates, expect a backlash against the nominee.

    Not really. The kids will be yelling, but the older, long time Democrats will be relieved. At some point there is a need to look at who can win in November and Bernie will be facing a brick wall then.

    That's a big gamble. Those same "kids" may be disillusioned from politics altogether. It's bad enough that we have low turnout on midterms; the gains we could make in presidential election years could be wiped because the establishment picked the candidate for the party. Enough repetitions of this and those kids could be apathetic to elections or worse: switch to the GOP because their primary at least obeys the voters' will.

    Don't get me wrong: both Sanders and Clinton are great for the Democratic Party's nomination. But whoever reaches the magic number, let it be because the clinched the greater number of pledged delegates. I would like Clinton to be the nominee: I know she won't overpromise and would be able to deal with Republicans if necessary.
     
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    Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:38 pm

    Quoting Ken777 (Reply 228):
    We know that Trump has indicated that a 3rd party run is possible if he is treated unfairly (as a jury rigged convention would generate)

    He will find an excuse to run third party stating they broke their contract because of _________ if he really wants to run. I think he'd definitely go 3rd if the RNC pulls something shady on him (like getting the most votes but not 50%, then losing) or if he comes close to winning and thinks he has a shot in the general

    Quoting Ken777 (Reply 228):
    and I can see Bernie listening to his ego

    Really? There are plenty of criticisms for Bernie but having a big ego? First time I've heard anything close to that. Seems like a pretty genuine guy to me.

    Plus, I don't think he'd sink the chances of the Dems winning, even if Trump is going 3rd. It would go from a certain Dem victory to maybe the Dems winning (and if Bernie is the only 3rd party then the Dems would most definitely lose)

    Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 231):
    I've gotta say: if the best that his opposition has are blurry obscure pictures at some bubble party, who could realistically be anyone; then they're not going to be successful in that endeavor.

    I agree. I am pretty underwhelmed by the evidence. I won't be surprised if it is true but I hope it doesn't turn into some mud slinging witch hunt. These days, simply being anti-gay itself is almost enough to do damage

    Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 232):
    If the RNC had a system similar to the DNC's, there would be no question as to who the candidate will be as superdelegates start to pledge allegiance to Rubio (or Kasich)

    If the RNC had a system similar to the DNC's, you'd have Trump declaring his 3rd party candidacy faster than a speeding bullet. I won't be surprised to see the RNC putting in some anti-Trump measures for 2020 and beyond, but like everything else the RNC has done so far, it would probably backfire against the Donald. Like or dislike him (dislike for me,) the man has a talent for defying the RNC so far
     
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    Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 227):
    The damage, I think, has been done. Too many things going on for the "TrusTED" that has made people question whether he (or his campaign) has been engaging in too many dirty tricks. It only serves to validate Trump's point that Cruz is "slimy" and can't be trusted.

    Agreed, Cruz is going to slip lower and lower as people learn more about what a sleaze bag he is. This should help Rubio who I think is the de-facto nominee at this point. Really wish it was Kasich instead, he was the only adult in the room in any of the debates. Rubio is going to get eaten alive by Hillary in the debates later on. He really lost any respect or support I may have had for him in the last debate when he spoke out against a woman's right to choose and gay marriage. Then went on the defend GWB saying he "thanks God" that GWB was president on 9/11. Really? Yeah, because the aftermath and our response gave us the Patriot Act, the worthless TSA and two endless wars that cost us TRILLIONS of $$.
    I can't stand Hillary but Rubio's a non-starter for me, may do a "none of the above" vote at this point  
     
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    Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 232):
    I think after this election cycle, Democrats may do away with superdelegates while the GOP looks to adopt it.

    I do not like Super Delegates one little bit. It to me works against outsiders such as Sanders and Trump who challenge the power of the party and implore for support from the voters. I am sick of the insiders, the establishment. Let the people speak, instead of the so called experienced people. I call them entrenched incumbents and we see how well that is working. The old saying "throw the rascals out" is sorely needed these days and should be used in this election.
     
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    Quoting Ken777 (Reply 233):

    Not really. The kids will be yelling, but the older, long time Democrats will be relieved. At some point there is a need to look at who can win in November and Bernie will be facing a brick wall then.

    The flipside is that if Mr. Sanders wins, Democrats and Berniecrats vote for him. If Mrs. Clinton wins, only Democrats vote for her and most Berniecrats do ridiculous write-in campaigns and such. But as much noise as the Berniecrats have been making, they haven't been showing up to vote.
     
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    Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:59 am

    Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 224):

    I must've missed that... what happened?
    Quoting DocLightning (Reply 226):

    I'm at work so I can't go searching YouTube but look up his answer to a question about his faith. He gave a long-winded answer that basically amounted to "I'm a Humanist."

    I realized I never addressed this. http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2...aylists/iowa-democratic-town-hall/
     
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    Well, Donald Trump seems to be cleaning up in Nevada tonight.

    Where are those GOP posters from last May who claimed he'd flash in the pan?
     
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    Quoting DocLightning (Reply 238):
    But as much noise as the Berniecrats have been making, they haven't been showing up to vote.

    Young people never do. In the end you need the support of old people to win, since they have nothing better to do but vote  
     
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    Quoting DocLightning (Reply 240):
    Where are those GOP posters from last May who claimed he'd flash in the pan?

    I don't think it was just GOP posters. It was more the whole national media, pollsters, GOPers, and Dems. Remember when everyone thought it was still a publicity stunt and he wouldn't actually submit his papers? Either way what he has done is nothing short of remarkable. IF he finishes the nomination off he will do what no politician in either party has ever done, which is win with historically bad favorables, win with 0 sitting endorsements, win with less than 40% National polling, and win the nom with the establishment actively working against him.

    Betting markets still have Rubio with a 40% chance, Trump at 50%, and everyone else at 10%. Cruz won't win anything else besides maybe TX, and Kasich has to get out of the race for Rubio to maximize his chances at winning. It will be interesting if you see the RNC push Kasich out of the race to amp up their anti-Trump (Rubio campaign).

    Quoting DocLightning (Reply 238):
    But as much noise as the Berniecrats have been making, they haven't been showing up to vote.

    They haven't and they never do. Interestingly enough the Dem primaries have had pretty high turnout, but high turnout doesn't necessarily translate to Bernie victory. He still has a real shot at the nom, and Super Tues is big for him to show how close he is in a bunch of HRC favored states.
     
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    If I have no choice but to vote for Clinton in the general, it'll be a vote not out of any real desire to elect a promising candidate but a vote out of plain civic duty. As much as I have tried to support her, I just can't...

    http://youtu.be/Y0H1AosZdv0
     
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    "A third of Trump's SC voters think that gays and lesbians should be banned from the country. About half wanted undocumented immigrants to be deported immediately. Three-quarters think Muslims immigrants should be barred from entering the country. Thirty percent of his followers think whites are the superior race. Almost 40 percent wish the South had won the Civil War, and 20 percent think we shouldn't have freed the slaves afterward." (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/upshot/measuring-donald-trumps-supporters-for-intolerance.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0)

    For the Donald supporters on here, at best you are deluded fools and at worst, you are fascists in the mold of Hitler, Mussolini, etc.
     
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    Anybody but Hillary for me. Though I'd never vote for Cruz.
     
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    Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:28 am

    Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 244):
    About half wanted undocumented immigrants to be deported immediately.

    Does minimum wage legislation apply _effectively_ to the illegals?

    How do they expect to get their lawn mowed and weeds weeded cheaply
    when that cheap labor segment gets deported?
     
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    At this point regarding his vile comments and racist rhetoric I'd vote for anyone over Trump (even a mule). But I am not a Republican and people seem to forgive this mans bigotry because he speaks out of his behind (interesting logic).
     
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    Quoting DocLightning (Reply 238):
    But as much noise as the Berniecrats have been making, they haven't been showing up to vote.

    Facebook and other social media sites are a way better place to vent their anger. As always: I support, but not compelled to get out and vote.
     
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    Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:35 pm

    Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 244):

    "Public Policy Polling is a company aligned with the Democratic Party, and some of its results over the years have been suspected of bias. Taken by itself, its conclusions could be doubted. Taken with the YouGov and exit poll data, however, these three surveys can give us a better idea of Mr. Trump’s backers."

    LOL... "We here at NYT are going to use a poll that is clearly biased then tell you results with these other two polls (One from over a month ago) make it a valid poll even though our conclusions don't align with the data presented."

    We'll ignore the litany of studies that show public opinion polls are wholly unreliable all in the name of proclaiming Donald Trump is EVIL from the mountain tops!
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