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Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:18 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 48):
And, why only the Muslim world? We have troops deployed all around the world.

I use that area because that is where the overt hostilities are taking place at this time. We do not have crystal balls so we can only use current conditions.
 
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Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:25 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 43):
Of course you can, but really how many Gay torturers are there?

You don't need "gay torturers".... as Abu Ghraib showed us, sexual humiliation/violation of a male can be done even by women!


Quoting fr8mech (Reply 45):
Really? Christ!. Rape is not about sex...it is about power and submission.

      
 
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Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:34 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 50):
I use that area because that is where the overt hostilities are taking place at this time. We do not have crystal balls so we can only use current conditions.

You know, I have a friend that served at the DMZ in the 90's. She said, yes "she", that it was as close to a combat posting you can get without firing a shot.

Point being, our folks can be in close contact just about anywhere they are deployed.
 
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Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:48 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 52):
Point being, our folks can be in close contact just about anywhere they are deployed.

I cannot argue with that, a dangerous area for sure. A friend of mine served there also in the 1960's. Let me end this saying I am of another generation obviously, men fought wars, woman helped in many, many other ways. It does not sit well with me to put young women out there among the animals.


They still die in service to our country and have my respect, but to die from blast, gunfire, crash and accidents is quite different to me than being raped, tortured, and enslaved as a sex slave goes beyond the pale to me. To go down fighting is an honorable death, not so the other existence. Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees applies once again.
 
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Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:50 am

If a USA citizen male doesn't register for the current 'standby' draft program when the reach the age range it is required to do so they can be denied government subsidized college loans, certain government benefits, employment by governments at all levels. Why should there be any difference just because of gender ?
If (God forbid) a draft had to be activated, women could serve in many functions in the military but for direct physical combat roles, take an equal responsibility for fighting for or defending our country.
 
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Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:16 pm

As long as they don't lower physical standards, this is a good thing.

It's only equal opportunity.
 
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Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:53 pm

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 46):
I agree, but in the Muslim World? How could this occur? Would you not be a suspected Gay, soon to be thrown of f the roof?

Ummmm.... you have heard of Muslim "dancing boys" haven't you? And that IS has issued directives noting that "in the absence of women...." it is OK to use young boys....

It is a strange world but if such things are permissible then I am certain that regarding subjugation of a prisoner it would also be an "allowed exception".

Quoting L-188 (Reply 55):
As long as they don't lower physical standards, this is a good thing.

It's only equal opportunity.

  
I fully agree
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Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:24 pm

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 43):


Of course you can, but really how many Gay torturers are there? In the terror world, they toss Gays off buildings. So in the current world of war and prisoners, I hardly think rape will happen to male Western Powers Prisoners. Now women and how they are treated in the normal world of Radical Muslims and even the normal world of Muslims sometimes, a woman is in dire straights right away. Rape as a torture weapon to a fault.

Interesting "logic". What is it in the "normal world of Muslims" that threaten women? I can say as an American, we have a pretty big problem here. We have news agencies that continually report on the mistreatment of women here on a local level. I can only imagine how bad it is on a nationwide level.. If you go the cookie cutter route of saying that one's secular and one's idealogical, then please be sure to educate us on the idealotical part and how you came to that conclusion. Please keep the exclamation marks and capitalized words to a minimum. Thanks
 
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Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:35 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 35):
BETTER QUESTION: Are you saying rich kids would be willing to become cannon fodder for such?

Well, since we have had a all volunteer force...history has shown...nope. I think we should have compulsory service like many European countries do..."Everybody fights...Everybody works..." How else does one truly appreciate something until they have had to work for something? Especially Democracy.
 
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:16 am

Quoting Tugger (Reply 56):
Ummmm.... you have heard of Muslim "dancing boys" haven't you? And that IS has issued directives noting that "in the absence of women...." it is OK to use young boys....

I have somehow missed that bit of information. It just proves to me the utter madness of certain people of a certain religion. Throw people off of buildings, and yet use boys. Sickening to me, sickening to think about. Pedophilia is Ok, but Homosexuality deserves death. A bunch of sick Bastards. I have to wonder if Allah agrees?
 
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:19 am

Quoting sfbdude (Reply 57):
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 43):

Of course you can, but really how many Gay torturers are there? In the terror world, they toss Gays off buildings. So in the current world of war and prisoners, I hardly think rape will happen to male Western Powers Prisoners. Now women and how they are treated in the normal world of Radical Muslims and even the normal world of Muslims sometimes, a woman is in dire straights right away. Rape as a torture weapon to a fault.

Interesting "logic". What is it in the "normal world of Muslims" that threaten women? I can say as an American, we have a pretty big problem here. We have news agencies that continually report on the mistreatment of women here on a local level. I can only imagine how bad it is on a nationwide level.. If you go the cookie cutter route of saying that one's secular and one's idealogical, then please be sure to educate us on the idealotical part and how you came to that conclusion. Please keep the exclamation marks and capitalized words to a minimum. Thanks

My statement stands by itself without getting into any punctuation marks.
 
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:19 am

I was drafted into the Royal Danish Army back in 2010, I did an eight months long service in The Royal Guards. Four months regular military basic training, then four months ceremonial service at the royal palaces in Copenhagen.

If a draftee in Denmark wants to see combat, he/she has to volunteer for additional military training.

Unless it's a dire emergency, I find drafting people to fight a war to be inhumane, and frankly a violation of their rights to live their life on their own accords.

Never again, shall we return to the ridiculous draft that was in effect in America, during the Vietnam War. Surely no sane parent, would ever wish for their child to be wasted over nothing.

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/41003_441458587584_8230586_n.jpg?oh=db8025a3a99c1e1ba68cc8adb7289453&oe=5736D992

Ahh, good times indeed.

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Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:36 pm

Quoting fallap (Reply 61):
Unless it's a dire emergency, I find drafting people to fight a war to be inhumane, and frankly a violation of their rights to live their life on their own accords.

Though many chickenhawk politicians will change their attitude if they or their close family will suddenly be at the sharp end of the stick.

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Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:41 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 62):
Though many chickenhawk politicians will change their attitude if they or their close family will suddenly be at the sharp end of the stick.

It's always nice to be on top and play with someone else's kids, until it's their kids' turn (of course, being politicians they can probably invent some excuse for them to NOT serve).
 
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Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:37 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 1):

Until you have to help carry her 50lb. pack 30 miles. Not to mention women in units beakdown unit cohesion. I was on temporary assignment on a USCG cutter. All the guys were complaining about this incompetent female and how the Sr. 'Bosuns' mate was always sticking up for her. Turns out he was boinging her and was later bounced for "fraternization".

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 49):

If you are speaking of Pat Robertson, he did serve in Korea as a supply officer. He was responsible for keeping the other officers happy.
 
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Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:46 pm

I'm really not familiar with this, so how do the physical requirements work in a draft ? Countless more young people are obese now, would they be exempt ?

My father has flat feet and a heart murmur so despite being in good form (and competing in regattas) he was exempted from military service.

In France at the moment a new civic service is being put in place for young people, aimed mostly at "lost youth" at first, and now being generalized (350 000 spots in 2018, everybody in a generation after 2020), it's not mandatory at the moment and it's not clear how it will turn out in the future.
 
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Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:12 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 64):
Until you have to help carry her 50lb. pack 30 miles. Not to mention women in units beakdown unit cohesion. I was on temporary assignment on a USCG cutter. All the guys were complaining about this incompetent female and how the Sr. 'Bosuns' mate was always sticking up for her. Turns out he was boinging her and was later bounced for "fraternization".

First, all countries which had conscription, had different classifications of physical fitness. The athletes would go to the teeth arms, airborne, light infantry etc. Shorter conscripts were often drafted into armoured units, as it was easier for them to fit into the tanks. Big bulky blokes with lots of lifting capacity would go to artillery or combat engineers (lifting artillery shells or bridge components).
For clerks, cooks, blanket stackers, tech specialists or medical orderlies you don't need first class fitness, though they should have some basic infantry training to defend themseleves and their position, if necessary.

Secondly, it largely depends on the woman if she is accepted by the unit or not. I was in a German civil defence heavy engineering and rescue unit (think military engineers without the guns) when in the late 1980s the first women were accepted. The first one in our unit managed to fit in and got respected. Last I have heardof her was that she made it to platoon commander (the biggest tactical unit in the civil defence at the time). She pulled her weight at work, could stand a joke and retaliate in kind, and did her job. She was not afraid to get dirty and took the same risks as everybody else.

Another young woman I had to train when I was in charge of the basic training squad, came with Barbie doll make up and polished finger nails. Frankly, even now, 25 years later, I don't know what she wanted in a highly technical organisation with lots of dirty hands on work, she certainly did not stay long. But theyoung guys were all going crazy about her.
E.g. one day I had to train them in usinga big air drill (like a jack hammer) for drilling blasting shot holes. We had this big old slab of re-inforced concrete on our training grounds and I let each recruit drill a vertical hole into it (the recruits were between 17 and 20 years of age, the woman was maybe 18. Most of the guys were apprentice builders or came from technical hands on professions and were used to work with tools). When it came to this woman's turn, shedidn't hold the drill properly and the drill jumped around with her like a pogo stick, with all the blokes laughing, as it looked funny, and her with a red face.
I noted that there was still time before lunch break, so I told everybody to drill another hole, and when it came to the woman's turn, the guys all came up and said that they would do it for her, but I insisted that she would give it another try. This time, I thing she was angry about the previous embarrassment, she really leaned into the machine with all her weight and managed to drill a proper hole, but from observation I noted that she was the type who would pull the feminine card and flirt to get the guys do her work.

So you have both types of women. Another thing: I noticed that since women got recruited (and I noticed the same with my current employer since he hired female aircraft mechanics), the blokes behave better.

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Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:46 pm

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 46):
I agree, but in the Muslim World? How could this occur? Would you not be a suspected Gay, soon to be thrown of f the roof?

Actually, homosexuality is widespread until marriage in some Muslim regions. Kharzai in Afghanistan is well known for keeping a boy. Seems like a rite of passage in that country.

Quoting fallap (Reply 61):

Never again, shall we return to the ridiculous draft that was in effect in America

What do you believe made it any more ridiculous than other drafts/conscriptions?

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 66):
the woman was maybe 18. Most of the guys were apprentice builders or came from technical hands on professions and were used to work with tools).

You see, in today's world, girls will be pushed to gain an equal or greater portion of those professions and men will be forced to give up spots. It's just not fair otherwise!
 
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Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:16 pm

Quoting mham001 (Reply 67):
What do you believe made it any more ridiculous than other drafts/conscriptions?

For a starter, conscripts in Denmark are not forced to fight a war. I used America's draft which ended in 1973, as I see this particular case quite ridiculous, forcing men to fight a pointless war, thousands of miles away. I did not intend to make this a measuring contest.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 65):
I'm really not familiar with this, so how do the physical requirements work in a draft ? Countless more young people are obese now, would they be exempt ?

They are rejected here, and deemed 'unfit for service'
 
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Quoting fallap (Reply 68):
For a starter, conscripts in Denmark are not forced to fight a war. I used America's draft which ended in 1973, as I see this particular case quite ridiculous, forcing men to fight a pointless war, thousands of miles away. I did not intend to make this a measuring contest.

So as I understand it, it was the reason for the draft that you find ridiculous, not the concept or method?

What about World War I? World War II?
 
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Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 64):
If you are speaking of Pat Robertson, he did serve in Korea as a supply officer. He was responsible for keeping the other officers happy.

Robertson Did Avoid Combat, Friend Concurs

September 25, 1986|JACK NELSON | Times Washington Bureau Chief
















WASHINGTON — Ex-Marine John Gearhart of Los Angeles, a key figure in the controversy over Pat Robertson's military service record, Wednesday supported allegations that the television evangelist used political influence to avoid combat duty in Korea.

Robertson, who is soliciting support for a race for the Republican presidential nomination, has claimed that he is a combat veteran of the Korean War. But Gearhart backed up most of the allegations made by another ex-Marine, former Rep. Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey Jr. (R-Menlo Park), that Robertson did not see combat and sought intervention from his father, the late Sen. A. Willis Robertson (D-Va.), to avoid front line duty.

In a letter that was addressed to Rep. Andrew Jacobs Jr. (D-Ind.), and distributed to a number of Washington journalists, McCloskey said that Robertson, Gearhart and two other Marine lieutenants were pulled off a Korea-bound ship and assigned to a base in Japan after Robertson talked frankly of telephoning his father from Japan to seek his intervention.

In a telephone interview, Gearhart, now a manufacturer's representative, said he was with Robertson, whom he considered "a very good friend," in 1951 when Robertson called his father from Japan and that "it was generally understood we were pulled off because of the good fortune of Pat's influence."


For the Record
Los Angeles Times Friday September 26, 1986 Home Edition Part 1 Page 2 Column 1 National Desk 1 inches; 34 words Type of Material: Correction
In an article about the controversy over Pat Robertson's military service that appeared in Thursday's editions of The Times, ex-Marine Edwin Gaines, a history professor at the University of Arizona, was erroneously referred to as Edwin Davis.






"More than anything else, it disappoints me that Pat denies ever making any phone calls," Gearhart said. "I wish he would just state that, sure, he made the phone call and let it go at that."

Robertson has emphatically denied he ever asked his father to intervene. But his aides say he will have no further comment on the matter until he has had a chance to compile statements from other people to rebut the allegations and substantiate his own account of his military service.

Denial by Spokesman

Benton Miller, a spokesman for Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network, said Robertson "never called his dad and never asked his dad to intervene in any shape or form. He went where the Marine Corps ordered him to go." After Robertson's later transfer to Korea, Miller said, "he was in a combat zone and was subject to shelling just like anyone else. He was awarded three battle stars. His record shows that."

Gearhart says he recalls walking with Robertson from their ship, the Breckinridge, into Kobe, Japan, "and into a U.S. Special Services facility where they had telephones with radio connections available for servicemen. And we each made separate calls to our parents."

When they walked back to the ship, Gearhart said, he still fully expected to be shipped to Korea the next day, but that morning orders came assigning him, Robertson and four other lieutenants, including Edwin Davis, a Robertson friend from Lexington, Va., to duties in Japan.

Davis, now a history professor at the University of Arizona, says that "we might have received preferential treatment, but I never heard Pat ask for it."

Roomed With Robertson

Reached by telephone in Lexington, where he is on a sabbatical, Davis said he and Robertson roomed together in prep school and remained good friends. In the Marines, he said, Robertson "wasn't hesitant about letting people know his father was a senator."

Another ex-Marine, Pierce Power, a Huntington, N.Y., attorney, said that, when he was with Gearhart in Korea in 1951, Gearhart told him the same story about Robertson's avoiding combat duty that McCloskey related in his letter. "We used to talk about it all the time," he said.

"I met Robertson later in 1952 at Quantico," Power said. "He was a helluva nice guy, but certainly no evangelist at that time, just a typical young Marine."

Power says he and Gearhart, both of whom were wounded in Korea, have kept in contact with each other and that Gearhart telephoned him on Sept. 13, the 34th anniversary of the day they were both wounded, to discuss a newspaper column concerning McCloskey's letter.





'No Ax to Grind'

"Gearhart has no ax to grind," Power said. "He considers Pat Robertson a friend."

Although Robertson's autobiography and material distributed by the Christian Broadcasting Network refer to him as a combat veteran, McCloskey, Gearhart and other ex-Marines said the evangelist never saw front-line duty after his transfer to Korea.

"Pat was a brilliant man and probably had something to do with intelligence work," Gearhart said. "But I'm sure he was not in combat. We came back on the same ship. He was in division headquarters. He may have been within range of artillery fire, but was nowhere near the front lines."

McCloskey, in his letter, said Gearhart had resented being stationed in Japan and had approached the commandant of the Marine Corps at a cocktail party and asked that he and other lieutenants who had not served in Korea be transferred to Korea. The next day, McCloskey said, Gearhart, Robertson and several other lieutenants were sent to Korea.

'Not the Commandant'

"That's basically true," Gearhart said, "but it was not the Marine commandant, it was Gen. Lemuel Shepherd, who was in charge of all the Marines in the Pacific, including all those in Korea. He was known to Pat Robertson and Ed Gaines because of family associations and he had been to VMI (Virginia Military Institute) and was from Virginia. And Robertson was not sent to Korea for about a month, but Gaines and I were sent the next day."

Gaines, whose father, Francis Pendleton Gaines, president of Washington and Lee University, was a friend of Gen. Shepherd, said he was at the cocktail party with Gearhart.

"I remember John Gearhart pointing out that four of us at the cocktail party never had been in combat and he and I were the first ones to go after that. I went over and got shot up. Pat went later but he never became a platoon leader."
 
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Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 70):
Robertson Did Avoid Combat, Friend Concurs

I thought it was standard for right wing blowhards in the US to dodge fighting in wars they approved of while berating those who did so because they did not.
John Wayne in WW2 (god all those crap movies to make up/makeover his image afterwards), Reagan - in uniform but not out of Hollywood which did not stop him telling a Holocaust survivor on a visit to West Germany that he had been one of the liberators of a Concentration Camp.

Vietnam - Romney hid in Paris while years later berating the 'counter culture' types that did not fight, Trump, Cheney (imagine if he failed to dodge 'Nam - likely he'd have been an officer and got 'fragged' by his own men), then that sudden fondness for the National Guard (which was mostly not deployed to Vietnam) in that era amongst the wealthy and well connected. Ted Nugent used to boast about how he was '4F' by not washing for weeks and literally shitting himself when reporting for the draft, he is apparently less keen to mention that now he is Mr NRA and rails against the 'hippies' of the era.

Creedence Clearwater Revival put it all rather well at that time in one just over two minute song 'Fortunate Son'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40JmEj0_aVM

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Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 46):
I agree, but in the Muslim World? How could this occur? Would you not be a suspected Gay, soon to be thrown of f the roof?

you don't need to be gay or sadistic. You need a sociopath without empathy.
And those are cherished assets in a range of countries.
( gays and sadists succumb to their personal satisfaction and loose the objective from view.)
 
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:42 pm

Quoting mham001 (Reply 69):
So as I understand it, it was the reason for the draft that you find ridiculous, not the concept or method?

What about World War I? World War II?

Both I suppose. As a liberal (Liberal in the sense of Adam Smith) I'm generally against state intrusions in the personal freedom of citizens.

I find the method of draft such as the case of the one in America, which ended in 1973, obscene. Because you are forcing free people to do something, which could potentially kill, cripple, traumatize - and if they refuse, they will be prosecuted and perhaps jailed. I'm also aware that America is far from the only nation which has practised this form of conscription, but due to the large amount of publicity it got at the time, I found it to be the most obvious choice as an example.

I do find the method of draft in Denmark and Norway to be fair, because those drafted have a choice between doing military service, or serving at government facilities such as hospitals, daycares etc. And only if they want to do so, they can apply for additional voluntary training, that will prepare them for deployment to war zones.

WW1 was a mere pissing contest between the rulers of Europe. The war could easily have been avoided with proper acts of diplomacy, but due to the different nature at the time, and the thought that manpower was expendable - they allowed the murder of a simple loathed Arch Duke, to escalate in to the deaths of millions of people.

I find conscription into a conflict such as WW1 as crimal.

There are even those who believe, that Germany should simply have been allowed to take Paris, and end the war as they did in 1871. That would have spared us from the rise of Fascism and potentially the USSR as well.

WW2 was a different story though, as the scenario was quite different.
 
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Quoting fallap (Reply 73):
The war could easily have been avoided with proper acts of diplomacy, but due to the different nature at the time, and the thought that manpower was expendable - they allowed the murder of a simple loathed Arch Duke, to escalate in to the deaths of millions of people.

The interesting connection to "now" is that the derogatory language used by most parties involved resembles
the tenor of communications ahead of WWI.
Some parties try to drive the whole thing over the cliff. guess who?
 
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Quoting GDB (Reply 71):
Creedence Clearwater Revival put it all rather well at that time in one just over two minute song 'Fortunate Son'.

Very good.

Quoting WIederling (Reply 72):
you don't need to be gay or sadistic. You need a sociopath without empathy.
And those are cherished assets in a range of countries.
( gays and sadists succumb to their personal satisfaction and loose the objective from view.)

I have trouble getting my mind around people like that and the idiosyncrasies of the Muslim World. Throw Gays off the roof, using boys is Ok somewhere else. This shit amazes me. It is no wonder we have wars and religious hatred.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:17 am

Quoting DLFREEBIRD (Thread starter):
U.S. Military generals want women to register for draft

This should please the feminists  

Another step towards equality  
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 1):
I have no problem with it. The word equality comes into play here. They wanted it, they have it If this comes true.

  

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 2):
You want equality? You're getting it. The good with the bad.

  

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 11):
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 8):
but if it is required one would have no choice but to remember all who have gone before and try to defend the country.

Sh!t on that. You want to see revolution? ...then let this dysfunctional government try to institute a draft here in the 2010s.

You will see people rise against this government in a way the Sanders/Trumps/Bundys and any other self-styled revolutionaries could never even dream of.

I agree that there would be a rise against the government, here in Australia too, if they tried to put in place mandatory drafting / conscription.

I know quite a few people who believe that some countries have become places 'not worth fighting for'.

In Australia we used to learn and sing Christmas carols in kindergarten and at school.

Now the singing of Christmas carols at many schools is banned so the certain people do not get offended.

No more Christmas decorations in many classrooms so so and so doesn't get offended and tell mummy and daddy who will tell the media blah blah blah...

What a place!

I believe the first people, in any country, that should be conscripted are the able bodied immigrants and the appropriate aged children of first or second generation immigrant families that chose to move to and live in that country.

If a country is good enough for you to chose to move to and live in then it is good enough for you to fight for.

Deportation can await those who refuse.

It would also be appropriate for the religious diversity of the armed forces to reflect very similar percentages to that of the nation. Some religions make up a decent percentage of a nations religious mix but are almost non-existent in the armed forces. If religion X accounts for 5% of the population then in the interest of equality it is only far that that same religion accounts for 5% of the armed forces.
 
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RE: U.S. Military General Wants Women To Register For

Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:56 pm

Make a common office dress code - Women to wear trousers even in summer, no strappy tops, shorts or mini-skirts. You'll soon find out who really supports equality (Arriva aside).
 
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RE: U.S. Military General Wants Women To Register For

Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:21 pm

Equality would be me wearing shorts and flip flops in the summer, I'll keep the half naked women thank you !

Quoting fallap (Reply 73):
There are even those who believe, that Germany should simply have been allowed to take Paris, and end the war as they did in 1871. That would have spared us from the rise of Fascism and potentially the USSR as well.

There was a lot of resentment in France after 1871 and the loss of Alsace-Lorraine. If something similar had happened in the next war, in which France wasn't even the aggressor, it's very possible fascism would have grown here instead, with no better results.

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