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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:41 pm

Big night for Trump last night. Reaffirmed his front runner status (as if there were any doubt). He gained ground on the crowd as well, which is important to those who are rooting for a contested convention. Cruz had an okay night kept the pace best he could on a night where demographics did not favor him. Rubio is a disaster I wouldn't be surprised if he ended his campaign this week. I believe he came out with 1 delegate, and he's probably worse off than Kasich at this point. There's still a hope that he can siphon off some delegates, but it is unlikely to significantly impact Donald.

On the flip side, Sanders had a yuuuuuuuuuuuuge upset win in Michigan. Big surprise there as Clinton had been leading ~20% in every major poll. One thing that has played out so far is that Sanders has performed quite a bit better in open primary states. So going forward if will be interesting to see if this is just a fluke or it can translate to success in similar states like OH and IL. A bit of reality to temper the enthusiasm, Clinton won MS so big that she still gained delegates on Sanders for the night. It will be interesting to see if the media tries to push the comeback narrative or continue to push the Clinton has it wrapped up.
 
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:37 pm

Quoting DLFREEBIRD (Reply 98):

At Yale he never got a A he was an average C student. He's been rumor to have dyslexia and had to have tutors help him. Bush doesn't like to read. He has always asked other people to read to him. He is a concrete thinker which is common with people with alcoholic histories. It makes them inflexible, harsh and difficult. However, he can still be considered intelligent. We've had intelligent presidents that suck long before him.

Well, if you have dyslexia and maintain a C average at Yale and get a 1200 on your SAT (600 M/600 V) that's actually pretty good, especially in an era when mandatory accommodations for learning disabilities were not a thing.

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You mean blobfish?

Please. The blobfish does not deserve such a comparison.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 86):

Since you are now an old married guy

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Quoting Osubuckeyes (Reply 100):

On the flip side, Sanders had a yuuuuuuuuuuuuge upset win in Michigan. Big surprise there as Clinton had been leading ~20% in every major poll. One thing that has played out so far is that Sanders has performed quite a bit better in open primary states. So going forward if will be interesting to see if this is just a fluke or it can translate to success in similar states like OH and IL. A bit of reality to temper the enthusiasm, Clinton won MS so big that she still gained delegates on Sanders for the night. It will be interesting to see if the media tries to push the comeback narrative or continue to push the Clinton has it wrapped up.

I think that even for those of us who are feeling the Bern, it's obvious that he's not going to get the nomination barring something big and unforseen. That said, he is doing something important, which is dragging Mrs. Clinton to the left. Now, whether that will have any lasting effect after her inauguration...well, only she knows.
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:45 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 101):
I think that even for those of us who are feeling the Bern, it's obvious that he's not going to get the nomination barring something big and unforseen. That said, he is doing something important, which is dragging Mrs. Clinton to the left. Now, whether that will have any lasting effect after her inauguration...well, only she knows.

I honestly don't think she'll be a slam dunk candidate. I think America as a whole is pretty bloody sick of the Clinton name. Mind you, the GOP seems to be doing everything possible to hand her the victory.
 
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:01 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 83):
Only if every GOP superdelegate votes for him. He's missed too many primaries.

Actually, IIRC, the whole reason why Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich are still running is so they can force the convention to more than one round of voting. Once that's done, I understand the delegates are free to vote as they please. But it all comes down to whether people voted directly for Trump delegates (akin to the electoral college where people vote for the slate that will support Trump) or whether they told the state's slate of delegates "please vote for X". In the former, each candidate presents their slate of delegates and if they win, they go on to the convention; in the latter, voters are just telling the state's delegates whom to vote for and they carry out the will of the voters. This last group, as I understand it, is free to break once the first round is over and no clear winner is in sight.
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:31 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 68):
Good possibility this years' RNC convention could be a lot like the DNC in Chicago 1968.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aeNJljuZcI

You have the GOP establishment against the Trump delegation and Cruz delegation.


Interesting....the convention staffer at time index 0:43 sounds quite a bit like Bernie Sanders!!!!

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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:42 pm

Quoting Osubuckeyes (Reply 100):
On the flip side, Sanders had a yuuuuuuuuuuuuge upset win in Michigan.

It was yuuuuuuuuuuge because it was a surprise win - certainly not a yuuuuuuuuge gain over Clinton in delegates, which is actually supposed to be the name of the game. Clinton still has more than double Bernie's delegates so I guess we could call the Michigan race a "virtual tie".
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:36 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 83):
It would seem that the economic conservatives who are not horrid bigots (excuse me: "social conservatives") are actually turning to back Mrs. Clinton. Mrs. Clinton probably falls a bit to the left of Mr. Reagan and even a bit to the right of Mr. Nixon.

I think that when you look at past policies, as you have pointed out here, the right wing of the Democratic party and the socalled RINOS of the Republican party might have more in common with each other than they have with the extreme wings of their own parties.
 
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:48 pm

Quoting victrola (Reply 106):
I think that when you look at past policies, as you have pointed out here, the right wing of the Democratic party and the socalled RINOS of the Republican party might have more in common with each other than they have with the extreme wings of their own parties.

It was a crazy concept call governing from the center, and it involved both parties working for the common good. The jibes and criticisms were part real/part theater for voter consumption, but once our "elders" convened behind closed doors they got down to the business of governing. That doesn't happen anymore because we've ceded authority to minority absolutits. Hell, might as well leave that misspelling intact, it says it better.
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:53 pm

Although it was pretty close to a tie in Michigan, a win is a win, congrats to Sanders! Seeing Clinton lead him by double digits in every poll had me thinking they would project her the winner in the first 5 minutes after poll closings. It took till 11:30 that night with somewhere close to 90% of the vote counted before they gave Michigan to Sanders. Fantastic night!
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:22 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 101):
I think that even for those of us who are feeling the Bern, it's obvious that he's not going to get the nomination barring something big and unforseen.

Michigan was big an unforeseen. The polls were waaaaay off. If other midwestern states are polled in a similar manner we might see some similar surprises. Bernie has an uphill battle, but with positive press coverage and the comeback narrative he might make it a closer race than many thought.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 105):
It was yuuuuuuuuuuge because it was a surprise win - certainly not a yuuuuuuuuge gain over Clinton in delegates, which is actually supposed to be the name of the game. Clinton still has more than double Bernie's delegates so I guess we could call the Michigan race a "virtual tie".

You are correct. As I said it could translate to better results for him in similar midwestern states. Fortunately for him Most of the deep South has already voted so going forward states will be less unfavorable to him.
 
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:27 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 83):
Only if every GOP superdelegate votes for him. He's missed too many primaries.

IIRC, the GOP doesn't have super delegates.

I don't think Marco will quit before Florida, because Florida has already had early voting.
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:59 pm

Quoting Osubuckeyes (Reply 59):
Bush who had no chance simply because of his last name.

And thank god for that.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 63):
I think the GOP thought they had their Romney in Jeb.

Probably so. They obviously miscalculated just how much the country isn't interested in Bush 3.0.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 72):
For us Europeans, is there a way to watch the debates/dick comparisons online? I can watch CNN for sure... but no ABC, no CBS...

What is wrong with you? Why would you want to subject yourself to watching that trash?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 69):
George W. Bush played stupid on TV because (this isn't a dig; this is fact), he knew that the average GOP voter viewed the smart intellectual with extreme suspicion and preferred a candidate with whom they could identify.

Let's assume this is all true, is that Jeb just couldn't play stupid as well as him or is he legit stupid??

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 77):
No Bloomberg candidacy.

Well my crazy libertarian friends will be happy about that.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 83):
1) Christian Dominionism in which the 1st Amendment is abolished (or functionally neutered) to establish Evangelical Christianity as the official or de facto official religion of the USA.

I'd say they want it functionally neutered. They don't want it to go away, they just want the de facto Evangelicalism and the "religious freedom" to refuse service to all non-Christian Evangelicals.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 83):
It would seem that the economic conservatives who are not horrid bigots (excuse me: "social conservatives")

     

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 83):
2) White supremacism in which there is mass marginalization and even internment/deportation of minorities.

Not to mention gays firmly back in the closet and women speaking only when they're spoken to.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 83):
The GOP has a real problem. Their messaging and brand since around 2001-2002 has been mostly one of bigotry.

It's not just since then. What we're seeing now is the end result of the GOP's Southern Strategy which started with Nixon, who saw the value in attracting disillusioned Dixiecrats into the GOP after Johnson's "betrayals." In spite of vociferous protestations to the contrary, the GOP has long pandered to racists and other assorted bigots, even in the face of warnings from Dems and others about the consequences of adopting such an approach. Thanks to Trump, that's finally been laid bare and the GOP will, hopefully, have a more difficult time denying the truth.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 83):
They haven't gone after Jews yet, but a significant minority of Mr. Trump's supporters are openly neo-Nazi. Karl Rove has been in charge of the GOP's brand and he's allowed this to happen. I hope he's pleased with his work.

I'd say that's in large part due to Evangelicals being strongly pro-Israel, not to mention the Holocaust. Otherwise, I'm sure they'd be going after the Jews as well.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 83):
turning to back Mrs. Clinton. Mrs. Clinton probably falls a bit to the left of Mr. Reagan and even a bit to the right of Mr. Nixon.

I'd say this is pretty accurrate. Today's Dems are generally to the right of the pre-1980 GOP. I've heard it argued, and I don't disagree, that Nixon was this country's last truly liberal president. He'd be too liberal even for the Democratic party today. I've said this in the past, but the GOP loves touting the fact that they're the party of Lincoln, yet Lincoln is a Pinko by today's GOP standards. So are Eisenhower, Nixon, etc. Hell, Reagan is looking increasingly liberal compared to today's GOP.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 85):
GOP superdelegates function differently than their Democratic counterparts and have much less influence. Under Convention rules they're bound to the results of their state primary.

Which is what the Democratic party needs to adopt. The way things are now, which superdelegates not beholden to each State's primary or caucus results is fundamentally un-democratic.
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:10 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 111):
What is wrong with you? Why would you want to subject yourself to watching that trash?

It has to be believed to be seen or so...


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Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:01 am

Quoting OA412 (Reply 111):
Which is what the Democratic party needs to adopt. The way things are now, which superdelegates not beholden to each State's primary or caucus results is fundamentally un-democratic.

If it means the Democratic party is the much more Trump-proof, I'm OK with that. In 2008 when Obama won the popular and delegate race super delegates who had previously sided with HRC voted for him in solidarity rather than pick a fight and undo the people's choice.
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:52 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 101):
Well, if you have dyslexia and maintain a C average at Yale and get a 1200 on your SAT (600 M/600 V) that's actually pretty good, especially in an era when mandatory accommodations for learning disabilities were not a thing.


I'm sorry, i am confused at what you are saying, i think people with learning disabilities can be very intelligence because they try harder and learn at a very early age to hid their weaknesses from others. I agree that Bush was intelligent, However, he had a lot of weaknesses that got exposed while he was in office. Anyway, I'm not sure what you are saying about Bush. Unless you are connecting his behavior to what Trump has accomplished getting voters by not acting too bright.

If that is true, then how smart can Bush or Trump be? We are watching the GOP party implode.

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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:38 am

Make America White Again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoA_mjVrvs4


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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:26 pm

Like many, I am appalled by the behavior of Trump and Rubio in particular at the Republican debates and elsewhere in their campaigns. Instead of real discussion of their proposed polices, they are pushing their personality, hate for certain groups. So far Trump has yet to get more than 50% of the R's nomination numbers in any primary or caucus. That means he is getting maybe 30% of the overall voters, including Democrats. Look at the Democrats, they clearly have a leading candidate in Hillary Clinton, but facing a challenge by Bernie Sanders who is bringing up real issues between them.

Taking the thoughts of pundits and others, I think over the next few weeks, we will see Trump have to move to the center or lose. Stop the vague BS and start to put out real and workable policy positions, stop bashing Muslims, keep out the racists, stop the 'build the wall' attitude as to unauthorized immigration by Mexicans and Central Americans. Doing this shift could make or break his campaign. He also has to bring in the party leadership or face a revolt. I think many Republicans will rally behind Kaisch as has the record as a Congress member and a Governor of a large state of a diverse population.
 
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Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:02 pm

Last night's debate the debate moderator Jorge Ramos asked Hillary what she would do if she was indicted - which she immediately said would never happen.

Must be a strong Sanders supporter.
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Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:51 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 116):
Taking the thoughts of pundits and others, I think over the next few weeks, we will see Trump have to move to the center or lose.

Do you mean move to the center as in "from insane to slightly sane" or "from politicaly conservative to politicaly moderate"? Because right now hes well to the left of Cruz and Rubio, he just happens to have a heaping dose of bat $41t thrown in. Going forward there are a lot of winner take all states. If he can win those he might be able to beat 50%. If he can't we could still see him and Cruz with 80% of the delegates the convention. Its going to get interesting.
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Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:18 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 112):
It has to be believed to be seen or so...

Touche.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 115):

These idiots are making all of us a global laughingstock.
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:21 pm

I'm starting to think even Sanders can beat this jackass. I'd have to order cable again just to watch fair and balanced coverage of our first socialist President.
 
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:55 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 115):
Make America White Again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoA_mjVrvs4


David

so this is what happens at Trump's rally's that everyone is talking about. I can't believe those security guards
did nothing to the person who threw the punch. and then hog tied the person who got punched


i hope they sue. .

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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:12 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 116):
So far Trump has yet to get more than 50% of the R's nomination numbers in any primary or caucus. That means he is getting maybe 30% of the overall voters, including Democrats.

He may be getting 30-40% of the votes, but if he comes in first and the state is winner-take-all, the delegates are his even if he wins by one vote.
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:43 am

ok, apparently the guy who threw the sucker punch was a 78 year old man He was arrested today.
However, he said that next time he see's him, he might have to kill him.

the people who hog tied the protesters turned out to be police not security. What is wrong with these people.

It makes me want to go to one of Trump rallies to protest Trump.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...hing-protester-trump-event-n536046

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Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:28 am

Damnit, they aren't fighting at the GOP debate. It's not fun anymore, lol :p.
 
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Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:06 am

Tonight's GOP debate was pretty good.
 
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:00 am

And Ben Carson endorses Trump!

Somebody who talks like he has no brain plus a neurosurgeon is a good team, I think.

Quoting DLFREEBIRD (Reply 123):

Good!  


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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Fri Mar 11, 2016 5:56 pm

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 124):
Damnit, they aren't fighting at the GOP debate. It's not fun anymore, lol :p.

Pundits are saying it's possible that on that debate, everyone realized the inevitable: Trump will be the nominee.
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:30 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 127):
Pundits are saying it's possible that on that debate, everyone realized the inevitable: Trump will be the nominee.

And when Hillary crushes Trump in the biggest landslide since Bush over Dukakis in 1988, the GOP will either collapse or be remodeled heavily in order to win the 2020 election.

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Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:02 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 128):

And when Hillary crushes Trump in the biggest landslide since Bush over Dukakis in 1988, the GOP will either collapse or be remodeled heavily in order to win the 2020 election.

The GOP is already dead, for all intensive purposes.
 
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Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:37 pm

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 129):
The GOP is already dead, for all intensive purposes.

Off topic but you've hit on one of my writing pet peeves. It's all intents and purposes, not all intensive purposes.
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Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:03 pm

Quoting DLFREEBIRD (Reply 123):
What is wrong with these people.

As the victim of that sucker punch said, "This is the South". Racist cops will always assume a black man is at fault when a white guy hits him.

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 124):
Damnit, they aren't fighting at the GOP debate.

Might be because everyone learned the Rubio Lesson - you go wild against Trump and the voters crush you.

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 129):
The GOP is already dead, for all intensive purposes.

There was an opinion piece today in the WaPo about splitting the old GOP and having a Pure GOP with only conservatives allowed. That would be a lost cause. Maybe the pure conservatives should start their third party - maybe even call it the Tea Party - and let the GOP return to a rational, responsible party.
 
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Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:47 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 130):
Off topic but you've hit on one of my writing pet peeves. It's all intents and purposes, not all intensive purposes.

Lol, whoops my bad! Sorry there Garnetpalmetto.
 
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Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:48 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 131):

There was an opinion piece today in the WaPo about splitting the old GOP and having a Pure GOP with only conservatives allowed. That would be a lost cause. Maybe the pure conservatives should start their third party - maybe even call it the Tea Party - and let the GOP return to a rational, responsible party.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if that happens.
 
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Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:51 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 131):

Quoting DLFREEBIRD (Reply 123):
What is wrong with these people.

As the victim of that sucker punch said, "This is the South". Racist cops will always assume a black man is at fault when a white guy hits him.

i need to be fair, and tell the police side of the story. I found this out after my post.

The sheriff pasted this on his facebook page, explaining his officer's behavior.

Sheriff Earl " Moose" Butler of Cumberland County, N.c. wrote The victim of the assault was being escorted out of the Coliseum as a result of a disruption of the candidate’s speech and rally when McGraw edged his way to the end of the row and while deputies who were escorting Jones were looking down to secure their steps so as not to fall as they followed Jones up the stairway toward the exit, and while the deputies eyes were cast in the direction of the steps, McGraw punched the victim, striking him about the head and face. The deputies who did not see the assault continued up the steps with the victim, who was ultimately escorted from the Coliseum.Following these events, McGraw could not be located. Ultimately, cell phone video was posted on social media, and upon reviewing it, Sheriff Butler directed an investigation to locate the perpetrator of the assault and to effect his arrest. In addition, the Sheriff directed an internal investigation to review the entire incident and the policies and procedures related to it.Sheriff Butler stated, “No one should be subjected to such a cowardly, unprovoked act as that committed by McGraw. Regardless of political affiliation, speech, race, national origin, color, gender, bad reputation, prior acts, or political demonstration, no other citizen has the right to assault another person or to act in such a way as this defendant did. I hope that the courts will handle this matter with the appropriate severity for McGraw’s severe and gross violation of this victim’s rights.”The criminal investigation resulted in McGraw’s arrest. The internal investigation is continuing, and because it involves a personnel matter, no further public comment on the internal investigation can be made under North Carolina law.After his arrest, McGraw was taken before a magistrate who set the defendant’s bond at $2500.00 secured.His next Court date is April 06, 2016

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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:21 pm

Quoting DLFREEBIRD (Reply 134):
The sheriff pasted this on his facebook page, explaining his officer's behavior.

Why do I believe that the sheriff started thinking about his election chances with a lot of black voters. HE needed to do something to keep from getting slammed.

Looking at the video I seem to recall that there were some officers who saw the hit.
 
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:20 am

The Trump rally in Chicago (Why the hell would he even go there) got cancelled because of the violence between supporters and protestors. Looks like Herr Drumphf has unleashed his goons. F Trump, seriously. What a fascist POS.
 
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Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:02 am

And another wrinkle. Reporter Michelle Fields has filed assault charges against Trump's campaign manager for allegedly assaulting her after she asked Trump a question on affirmative action.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...int_against_corey_lewandowski.html

Quoting DLFREEBIRD (Reply 134):

I'm not buying his story. I find it highly unlikely that not a single sheriff's deputy witnessed the assault.

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Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:04 am

Protests shut down a rally for Trump in Chicago, led to 30 arrests at an earlier rally for Trump in St. Louis. Trump almost encouraging the violence in comments as the protests occurred. Ted Cruz critical of Trump as well as the anti-Trump protesters to reporters outside a hotel he was at in IL. Sanders speaking in another IL city noting he doesn't hate anyone - Black, Hispanic, et al. - but the Wall Street powers.

This may be big turning point as to Trump's popularity and a decline in his campaign. Anti-Trump protesters, in the 1000's in Chicago, included Black, Hispanic/Latino, Muslims, and college aged challenged with their voices and bodies the messages of hate and division Trump has encouraged in his followers. Yes, there is a conflict with the 1st Amendment, some using their 1st rights.to prevent Trump from speaking. I suspect Trump and other candidates of both parties may put in tighter security, especially to keep out those they don't want and some venues not allowing use by candidates out of fear of protests and subsequent liability risks.
 
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:27 am

i sure hope it is a turning point. We need a president that's a leader. Not a bully who just pits groups of people against each other.
 
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:55 am

Quoting DLFREEBIRD (Reply 139):

i sure hope it is a turning point. We need a president that's a leader. Not a bully who just pits groups of people against each other.


Here's a clip of what happened https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxPc7BHhHq8
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Sat Mar 12, 2016 5:17 am

Quoting DLFREEBIRD (Reply 139):

Trump is going to get a bounce out of it. These people thought they were all that and a bag of chips today. What a bunch of idiots.
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:15 am

So while we're busy wringing our hands about Trump, 45% of the Democratic party is busy electing a capital S socialist, whose economic plan includes a dismantling of free trade (which will do more to harm black and brown people in this world and drive actual, tangible, absolute poverty than anything else any candidate proposes). Despite being a registered Republican, I would vote for Hillary in the general vs. Trump on this issue alone, and consider the TPP (if Obama can get it through) to be one of the best accomplishments of any US president since WWII. This is not for what it does for American citizens necessarily, but rather for what it does for the world. Don't kid yourselves that both parties aren't being polarized, and when 45% of the Dems are voting for this (http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21692895-health-care-costs-and-high-taxes-would-sink-sanders-economic-plan-vote-what), this (http://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanderss-plan-would-raise-taxes-by-34-1457114401), and this (http://fee.org/articles/bernie-sanders-anti-trade-crankery/?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRokv63BZKXonjHpfsX86O0vX6%2Bg38431UFwdcjKPmjr1YEDRMd0aPyQAgobGp5I5FEBS7TYRKtst6cMUw%3D%3D).

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 131):
There was an opinion piece today in the WaPo about splitting the old GOP and having a Pure GOP with only conservatives allowed. That would be a lost cause. Maybe the pure conservatives should start their third party - maybe even call it the Tea Party - and let the GOP return to a rational, responsible party.

Adjacent to my point above, I think there's actually a weird bifurcation where the Trump supporters are authoritarian and anti-trade as are the Sanders supporters. Meanwhile centrist (i.e. business and small business repubs and pragmatic/Silicon valley dems) folks are getting pulled at from the fringes to the left and right. I could see a merging of the Drumpfers and the Berniebros with a new centrist party emerging alongside.
 
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:19 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 138):
This may be big turning point as to Trump's popularity and a decline in his campaign. Anti-Trump protesters, in the 1000's in Chicago, included Black, Hispanic/Latino, Muslims, and college aged challenged with their voices and bodies the messages of hate and division Trump has encouraged in his followers. Yes, there is a conflict with the 1st Amendment, some using their 1st rights.to prevent Trump from speaking. I suspect Trump and other candidates of both parties may put in tighter security, especially to keep out those they don't want and some venues not allowing use by candidates out of fear of protests and subsequent liability risks.

This whole fiasco could end up making Trump look like a victim and make Bernie Sanders look bad (if he doesn't denounce the violence).

Hillary is right to not talk about this too much.
 
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:12 pm

Quoting Airontario (Reply 15):
Quoting bmacleod (Reply 13):
Donald Trump has a hotel in Toronto - other than that he's a mystery to us.

A hotel/condo building that is what 5 years old (?), and already crumbling with windows falling and shattering on a fairly regular basis.

On the other hand, it looks like with Trumps victory last night immigration to Canada may see a bump.

There have been petitions to take the Trump name off it and I expect that will happen globally if Trump continues his antics.

Quoting wingman (Reply 17):
Donald Drumpf, that is awesome, John Oliver at the peak of his powers. I'll be getting myself that t-shirt.

Waiting for the lawsuit against Oliver  .

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 90):
I'd be happy with that. Kasich is the only Republican in the race that I would vote for - and I can't decide who is worse, Cruz or Rubio, To me Rubio is an empty shell who can memorize speech writer's work product and Cruz is a real slime ball. Kasich has more judgement and integrity that R & C put together,

He appears nice but he is the just as big as a social conservative as Ted Cruz is. He has

Quoting diverted (Reply 94):
IMHO the DNC stands to lose a LOT of voters if Clinton gets the nomination.

Depends on how. If Clinton wins handidly then I think the loss of support will be minimal but if Sanders has a true delegate lead going into the convention and the Super-delegates nominate Hillary then you will have people staying home.

Bill Maher was really good on this last night and made the point that progressives are idiots if they don't support Hillary considering the clown car on the GOP side of the aisle. He also made the point that if Hillary wins she needs a progressive running mate like Elizabeth Warren, Bernie or Alan Grayson. If he she puts a centrist and boring individual on the ticket then she turns of voters.

Hillary's biggest liability isn't her politics (as most Americans are in the middle but it is her personality). She is not a likable person and is not a salesperson and people do vote on this factor as you do want your head of state to be socially intelligent. Obama is very much like that and Hillary needs a VP who his a charismatic person.

As president she can get things done but people aren't passionate about her and it is shallow but it is reality.
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:30 pm

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 144):
Hillary's biggest liability isn't her politics (as most Americans are in the middle but it is her personality). She is not a likable person and is not a salesperson and people do vote on this factor as you do want your head of state to be socially intelligent. Obama is very much like that and Hillary needs a VP who his a charismatic person.

That woman's a bloody embarrassment. Given that she's been active in the US political scene since like the 1960's you think she'd remember how Ronald and Nancy treated the AIDS epidemic of the 1980s, how it was an actual joke in the White House, and how Ronald didn't even mention the disease publicly until thousands of people had died.

And what does Hillary say last night? As usual, pulls some $h!t from out of her @$$

Quote:
“It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS in the 1980s. And because of both President and Mrs. Reagan, in particular, Mrs. Reagan, we started national conversation when before no one would talk about it, no one wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something that really appreciated, with her very effective, low-key advocacy, but it penetrated the public conscience and people began to say ‘Hey, we have to do something about this too.’”

You would have thought someone on her campaign would have fact checked the crap she spews?

That's like saying GWB started a national conversation about Iraq.

At least she issued an apology after..

Quote:
While the Reagans were strong advocates for stem cell research and finding a cure for Alzheimer's, I misspoke about their record on HIV and AIDS. I'm sorry

Seriously? You're sorry? Your revisionist history lesson is pathetic.

The witch will say anything to try and gain favour with people. Another reason I think she isn't fit to be prez. Lying, untrustworthy witch.
 
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:55 pm

Quoting vin2basketball (Reply 142):
I would vote for Hillary in the general vs. Trump on this issue alone

The thing that really scares me is that the General Election will be Trump against Sanders. Both are as bad as the other. At least we can still move back to Australia if needed.

Quoting diverted (Reply 145):
Given that she's been active in the US political scene since like the 1960's you think she'd remember how Ronald and Nancy treated the AIDS epidemic of the 1980s,

Given that she has been involved in so much over so many years it's impressive that she has remembered as much as she has.

Quoting diverted (Reply 145):
Another reason I think she isn't fit to be prez.

You must be a Trump supporter.   

Personally I prefer to look at candidates on both sides of the aisle before deciding who I am going to vote for and there is nothing on the GOP side that impresses me. Same with Bernie so that leaves me with Hillary. Since you don't have to pay the price of a bad winner of the November election no one will bother you that much. We are the ones who will suffer.
 
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:20 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 146):
Both are as bad as the other

I may not agree with Sanders on everything, but how someone can with a straight face suggest that Trump=Sanders, I'll never fully understand. You have a lifelong public servant who happens to promote democratic socialism on one side, and a reality TV star who happens to promote baboonery on the other.

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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:54 pm

Quoting A332DTW (Reply 147):
You have a lifelong public servant who happens to promote democratic socialism

Before Bernie was a democratic socialist he was just a socialist, sort of like he was an Independent before he temporarily became a Democrat for the Election. I have no doubt that if he does not become President he will revert back to being an Independent Socialist. And that he will churn his yuuuuuge bank of email addresses for funding to continue his "political revolution".

The reality of Bernie is that he will never be able to get the foundations of his program through Congress. Both houses will block his "socialist programs". There will be no single payer health care, there will be no free tuition at state universities, there will be no tax increases for the wealthiest 1%. There will simply be a large number of conservatives blocking everything that Bernie wants.
 
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RE: USA Election Thread - Part 2

Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:15 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 148):

Sanders caucuses with Democrats. He would have no means of getting far running as an independent. He has no interest in having the federal government take over the means of production. So don't hold your breath on a totalitarian socialist US.

His whole point of a political revolution is not that he will do all these things by himself, rather come August the people choose a House that will.

Still haven't helped me understand how Trump=Sanders.

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