|Quoting pu (Reply 127):|
Sure, the USA is so magnificent that it chooses not only it's own destiny, but everyone else's as well. The Americans can govern themselves. Everyone else is governed by Americans. You really believe Americans are so special that they decide for themselves what they want while other peoples are merely subservient to America?
In the case of Cuba. yes. You too please go and read the Platt Amendment. American interest in Cuba was not limited to their greater wars against the Spanish. Cuba got independence - but... the Platt Amendment. I have explained what happened thereafter several times, right through to the CIA
even collaborating with the mafia to take out the Castro's before imposing sanctions and maintaining a no go militarized zone right into 2016.
|Quoting pu (Reply 127):|
When assigning blame for Cuba's misery, why don't you factor in the subservient, docile and un-self-empowered mindset present in all of Spain's former colonies, ....WHY DON'T YOU FACTOR IN CUBAN/LATIN AMERICAN CULTURE?
I know this is your pet subject. Rather than whitewash a whole race of people with blanket statements, maybe you can suggest how Cubans were supposed to become unsubserviant in the following historical timeline? You will see they sure tried.
1) The original Aboriginal inhabitants of Cuba were made extinct by the Spanish by genocide and disease, so the actual owners of Cuba no longer exist
2) Spanish colonialism lasted 387 years, the population then becoming a mixture of Spaniards and African slaves
3) By 1892, there was a resistance movement formed, led by a dissident named Jose Marti that was put down by the Spanish in 1895.
4) The resistance movement was taken over by Tomas Palma who recognized that any resistance movement could never fight against the Spanish forces, he therefore welcomed American help, who were more than excited to assist as part of their wars against the Spanish, as the USA had tried to purchase Cuba from the Spanish for decades prior. There were ultimately successful in 1898 culminating in the Treaty of Paris, and while Cuba on paper got its independence from Spain, the USA barred them from being part of any discussions of treaties, so Cuba was effectively a US protectorate for 4 years.
5) When Cuba finally got its independence in 1902, Palma was basically forced to sign the Platt Amendment and incorporate it into Cuban constitution and were effectively under orders from Washington.
6) The hardcore of the resistance movement were not happy because they really did not get what they wanted, so there was another uprising in 1906 against Palma, which was dealt with by the USA actually occupying Cuba and appointing their governor named Charles Magoon for 2 years. This was when the American businessmen started coming into Cuba.
7) Self governance was restored in 1908 with a string of presidents who were marked by corruption and scandal, which played into the hands of the American businessmen, as well as continued political interference from Washington, they even got their own Capitol building! Being so allied to the USA, the Wall Street crash of 1929 really screwed over Cuba too and the resulting austerity led to a further uptick in social unrest and general discord which had been prevalent since the early days of independence. Such a climate was not only ripe for political and social uprising of every flavor including pretty much civil war, assassination attempts and so on, but also for the growth of criminal activities.
8) Enter Fulgencio Batista, initially through some puppet presidents, but he was behind the scenes pulling the strings and controlled the military, kind of an important role with events progressing in Europe - and it was partly all orchestrated by the US Ambassador. By the 1950's Cuba had become pretty prosperous with a middle class, but the money was still largely controlled by US businesses because the mafia had been welcomed in shamelessly and any dissent was suppressed, elections were outlawed and Cuba turned into a police state, yet Batista was supported by the USA and even allowed to live there and "form relationships" between his presidential terms.
I think this quote from Wiki says it all as to Batista, but JFK
did not acknowledge it went back much further than that, even before 1898, when 5 successive presidents tried to purchase Cuba from the Spanish.
On October 6, 1960 Senator John F. Kennedy, in the midst of his campaign for the U.S. Presidency, decried Batista's relationship with the U.S. government and criticized the Eisenhower administration for supporting him:
"Fulgencio Batista murdered 20,000 Cubans in seven years ... and he turned Democratic Cuba into a complete police state—destroying every individual liberty. Yet our aid to his regime, and the ineptness of our policies, enabled Batista to invoke the name of the United States in support of his reign of terror. Administration spokesmen publicly praised Batista—hailed him as a staunch ally and a good friend—at a time when Batista was murdering thousands, destroying the last vestiges of freedom, and stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from the Cuban people, and we failed to press for free elections. I believe that there is no country in the world including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonization, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my country's policies during the Batista regime. I approved the proclamation which Fidel Castro made in the Sierra Maestra, when he justifiably called for justice and especially yearned to rid Cuba of corruption. I will even go further: to some extent it is as though Batista was the incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the United States. Now we shall have to pay for those sins. In the matter of the Batista regime, I am in agreement with the first Cuban revolutionaries. That is perfectly clear.
— U.S. President John F. Kennedy, to Jean Daniel, October 24, 1963
But it was all the Hispanic culture of course.... I believe Che and the Castro's were subservient, docile, unselfserving Hispanics, no?