|Quoting seahawk (Reply 225):|
Therefore I do not understand why Europeans care so much about US gun laws,
I can only speak for myself, but the reason why I care is because I care about America.
I want Americans to retain their freedom to own guns. But I want gun owners to recognize a classic situation has arisen where their freedom is in jeopardy because when one person's freedom starts to interfere with another's ability to live their lives freely, a greater and greater call to restrict freedom inevitably results, which the US Constitution will (correctly) be modified and interpreted to facilitate. You'll fix the problem or you'll lose your guns, I don't want to see that.
I don't think there are many non-Americans who support the US in its unique vision of how to run a nation as much as me, and there are few non-Americans here who without qualification support American leadership in the world, in NATO
, against the Russians and against the nutcase Muslims in the Middle East as much as me. SO you might consider my interest along the lines of a friend who wants you to succeed.
(granted, most of the other Europeans here are just throwing stones, in their perpetual desperation to "prove" that the EU is better than America)
|Quoting seb146 (Reply 229):|
and have gun nuts say "oh, well. Second Amendment" as the only acceptable response.
Gun owners have to take ownership of the problem if they want to keep their gun freedoms. Constantly repeating "its in the constitution" doesn't cut it because this document has been amended in as short as 3 months, and, more importantly
, a Democratic-appointed supreme court justice will reverse important pro-gun-rights interpretations of the 2nd Amendment which will give the NRA
more gun control than they feared.
|Quoting seb146 (Reply 229):|
I agree that teaching sex ed to grade school children is a mistake
As soon as children are able to understand simple biology, sex should be a part of the story. They see dogs humping in the stret and sex on the internet, This relic of religion which treats sex as somehow "adult" or risque needs to go. It's biology. Treating it this way will solve a lot of social problems. (derail thread attempt here)
|Quoting scbriml (Reply 230):|
Because their freedom and rights apparently trump the freedom and rights of everyone else
This failure to recognize when one's rights are hurting others in a deadly way IS the problem.
Gun owners are invoking the Constitution and imagine this is the end of the story. No one sits around for whats wrong whether it's in the Constitution or not.....Senators until the 20th century were not democratically elected; blacks, women etc. could not vote; 18 year olds could previously get drafted but not vote for their leaders; until the 60s voting was denied if a tax was not paid...among many other wrongs supported by the Constitution that were later, rightfully,
Yes they are.
The implicit and sometimes outright argued point is that it's mainly a bunch of n*ggers, gang bangers and crackwhores
shooting each other and that nice white people don't have to worry too much.
For the same reason you might care if one neighbour on your street regularly shot a cop, a child or random stranger while the rest of the neighbourhood never shoots anyone.
For me, a healthy America is important to the continued freedom of Europe and is in practical terms the only hope for growing democracy in a world that would ohterwise be China v. Russia v. ISIS v. random dictators. If the US fails, the progress of humanity is in danger. All you have to do is figure out a way to stop the killing and then no one will ever talk about taking away your guns.
I personally would love to see guns a continued feature in every Walmart, available to most anyone. But only if the rights of non-gun-owners to live without gun violence are also protected, which means there is no need to carry a gun to be safe in a shopping mall and no danger of kids getting shot at school. YOU HAVE TO
The Americans should carve their own path that emphasizes individual freedom over the collective wisdom of government bureaucracy; and I hope they can.
[Edited 2016-05-01 12:38:42]