F1 -- Monaco Grand Prix

photopilot · Wed May 25, 2016 6:28 pm

Well, the spectacle of the year of the Formula One season is this weekend and while not all agree that Monaco is still suited to F1, the glamour and mystique of Monaco remains.

A wet Monaco Grand Prix is in prospect with forecasters reporting a better than average chance of rain on Sunday afternoon in Monte-Carlo.
A band of moderate rainfall is expected to arrive from the west around the time of Sunday’s race.
However the build-up to the race is expected to be dry, with bright and sunny conditions forecast for qualifying. A largely cloudless day will see temperatures peak at around 24C while the grid for the race is being set.
Thursday’s practice sessions will be run in cooler, cloudier conditions with temperatures only just reaching the twenties.

A wet race could really even out the horsepower advantages and put the premium back on driver control making for an exciting race.

Pirelli for the first time this year is bringing the purple-walled ultra-soft tyres along with the soft and supersoft compounds.

larshjort · Wed May 25, 2016 8:21 pm

Quoting photopilot (Thread starter):

Pirelli for the first time this year is bringing the purple-walled ultra-soft tyres along with the soft and supersoft compounds.

For this reason alone I don't want to see a wet race.

I wan't to see what they can manage on the purple tyre. Looking at HAM and ROS tyre choices it's looks like they are planning to run the whole weekend on the ultra softs. They together with the Red Bull drivers and Kevin Magnussen chosen 1 set of soft, 2 sets of super soft and 10 sets of ultra soft tyres.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/125...s-and-red-bull-softer-than-ferrari

CPH-R · Wed May 25, 2016 8:32 pm

Will have to see if I find the time to follow this, given that the Nürburgring 24 hours will also be on. Yet another parade in the streets of Monaco, or watching a vintage Opel Manta with fox tail on the Nordschleife? Decisions, decisions...

[Edited 2016-05-25 13:32:52]

photopilot · Wed May 25, 2016 10:13 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 2):
Will have to see if I find the time to follow this, given that the Nürburgring 24 hours will also be on.

Well if you're a fan of all types of racing, then North America is the place to be this Sunday. Up first at 8 am (EST) is the Monaco F1, followed at 11 am by the pre-race for the Indy 500 from Indianapolis, and then if that isn't enough, at 6 pm is the NASCAR Coca Cola 600 from Charlotte NC.

As to Monaco, we'll get to see the uber-soft tyres during qualifying in the dry which should be great. As to a rainy race, well some of the most exciting drives have been in the rain and if anything, a wet race would end the prospect of a straight parade thru the streets.

Okie · Thu May 26, 2016 12:15 am

Quoting photopilot (Thread starter):
Well, the spectacle of the year of the Formula One season is this weekend and while not all agree that Monaco is still suited to F1, the glamour and mystique of Monaco remains.

I will opt for the GP2 events at Monaco and watch some real racing.

Okie

photopilot · Thu May 26, 2016 1:47 am

Quoting Okie (Reply 4):
I will opt for the GP2 events at Monaco and watch some real racing.

Wish I could get that race over here in Canada. None of our networks pick up that race. Anybody know a good reliable free streaming site where I might be able to watch it?

ANITIX87 · Thu May 26, 2016 1:13 pm

Quoting photopilot (Reply 5):
Wish I could get that race over here in Canada. None of our networks pick up that race. Anybody know a good reliable free streaming site where I might be able to watch it?

Check the Reddit subforums for F1 and GP2. Look into AceStream.

zkojq · Thu May 26, 2016 1:59 pm

Amazing how the jack was able to punch quite the dent into one of the Mercedes:
http://twitter.com/Mattzel89/status/735824203916693504

Quoting photopilot (Thread starter):
A wet Monaco Grand Prix is in prospect with forecasters reporting a better than average chance of rain on Sunday afternoon in Monte-Carlo.

I saw something a minute ago that said the chance of rain during the race is now less than 25%.

Quoting larshjort (Reply 1):
For this reason alone I don't want to see a wet race.

Whilst I hope this one stays dry, it would be nice to have a properly wet F1 race for once. Bring back the monsoon tires, I say.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 6):
Look into AceStream.

Acestream is amazing!

GrahamHill · Thu May 26, 2016 2:39 pm

Ricciardo tops the FP2 session: http://www.autosport.com/news/report...o-dominates-second-monaco-practice

Quote:
Ricciardo's pacesetting lap was just over four tenths quicker than last year's pole position and just over a second slower than the qualifying lap record of 1m13.556s set by Sebastian Vettel in 2011.

Hamilton finished second at 0.606 from Ricciardo.

Pos Driver Time Gap
1 - Daniel Ricciardo - 1m14.607s -
2 - Lewis Hamilton - 1m15.213s - +0.606s
3 - Nico Rosberg - 1m15.506s - +0.899s
4 - Max Verstappen - 1m15.571s - +0.964s
5 - Daniil Kvyat - 1m15.815s - +1.208s
6 - Carlos Sainz - 1m15.981s - +1.374s
7 - Kimi Raikkonen - 1m16.040s - +1.433s
8 - Sergio Perez - 1m16.120s - +1.513s
9 - Sebastian Vettel - 1m16.269s - +1.662s
10 - Jenson Button - 1m16.325s - +1.718s
11 - Nico Hulkenberg - 1m16.487s - +1.880s
12 - Fernando Alonso - 1m16.723s - +2.116s
13 - Esteban Gutierrez - 1m16.782s - +2.175s
14 - Valtteri Bottas - 1m16.849s - +2.242s
15 - Romain Grosjean - 1m16.874s - +2.267s
16 - Felipe Massa - 1m17.286s - +2.679s
17 - Kevin Magnussen - 1m17.530s - +2.923s
18 - Marcus Ericsson - 1m17.562s - +2.955s
19 - Jolyon Palmer - 1m17.761s - +3.154s
20 - Felipe Nasr - 1m17.999s - +3.392s
21 - Rio Haryanto - 1m18.647s - +4.040s
22 - Pascal Wehrlein - 1m18.814s - +4.207s

photopilot · Thu May 26, 2016 3:44 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 7):
Amazing how the jack was able to punch quite the dent into one of the Mercedes:

Well, now we have the reason for this weekend's poor showing by Hamilton. More car damage!!!

B747forever · Thu May 26, 2016 4:35 pm

Quoting photopilot (Reply 9):
Well, now we have the reason for this weekend's poor showing by Hamilton. More car damage!!!

Now we all will now the reason if he get another poor start

larshjort · Thu May 26, 2016 6:23 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 7):
Whilst I hope this one stays dry, it would be nice to have a properly wet F1 race for once. Bring back the monsoon tires, I say.

I don't believe we will ever have a proper wet race again. Not after Suzuka 2014. For one thing you would have to develop monsoon tyres and IM you'll need to relax parc ferme regulations to allow setup changes.
I want to see some wet weather action again, but I don't believe we will see any heavy rain racing.

cougar15 · Thu May 26, 2016 6:51 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 8):
Pos Driver Time Gap
1 - Daniel Ricciardo - 1m14.607s -
2 - Lewis Hamilton - 1m15.213s - +0.606s
3 - Nico Rosberg - 1m15.506s - +0.899s
4 - Max Verstappen - 1m15.571s - +0.964s
5 - Daniil Kvyat - 1m15.815s - +1.208s
6 - Carlos Sainz - 1m15.981s - +1.374s
7 - Kimi Raikkonen - 1m16.040s - +1.433s
8 - Sergio Perez - 1m16.120s - +1.513s
9 - Sebastian Vettel - 1m16.269s - +1.662s

Trouble is, they were only driving for ´the golden Grapefruit´ today,.I do like the RB Chassis, just look at how that Thing enters the Corners, but I fear - in the end it will be double silverware again at the head of the table....

CPH-R · Thu May 26, 2016 6:58 pm

For those interested, there's a livestream from the Nürburgring 24 Hours (with 16 options for onboard views etc). Some absolutely gorgeous onboard views as they're headed into dusk during the night qualifying run:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHO-LpY3Qqc

For English language commentary, there's Radio Le Mans:
http://radiolemans.0157.org/nplayer.php

larshjort · Thu May 26, 2016 7:02 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 13):
For English language commentary, there's Radio Le Mans:
http://radiolemans.0157.org/nplayer.php

With John Hindhaugh

zkojq · Fri May 27, 2016 1:20 pm

Quoting photopilot (Reply 9):
Well, now we have the reason for this weekend's poor showing by Hamilton. More car damage!!

Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
Now we all will now the reason if he get another poor start

These were Rosberg's mechanics last year! This conspiracy against HAM continues!

Quoting larshjort (Reply 11):
I don't believe we will ever have a proper wet race again. Not after Suzuka 2014.

Sadly, you're probably right. Such a shame.

scbriml · Sat May 28, 2016 12:34 pm

Verstappen smacks it into the barrier in Q1. Hero to zero in a flash.

Thunderboltdrgn · Sat May 28, 2016 1:01 pm

In Q3; Hamilton says he have engines problems.

B747forever · Sat May 28, 2016 1:04 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 15):
were Rosberg's mechanics last year! This conspiracy against HAM continues!

Didnt know that. What was the reason for changing mechanics? I guess Hamilton regrets the change now

photopilot · Sat May 28, 2016 1:25 pm

Say what you will about Hamilton and Rosberg, that was a killer lap laid down by Daniel Ricciardo in the Red Bull. Absolute total commitment by Ricciardo and his line and speed thru the swimming pool turns was stunning.
I say well deserved. Going to be an interesting race, especially when you also consider that Ricciardo will start on the Super-soft while everyone else at the front will start on the Ultra-soft. So Ricciardo will be able to run a much longer first stint than anyone else. I'm looking forward to a great tactical battle between the teams on their strategy.

scbriml · Sat May 28, 2016 2:46 pm

Quoting photopilot (Reply 19):
Going to be an interesting race, especially when you also consider that Ricciardo will start on the Super-soft while everyone else at the front will start on the Ultra-soft. So Ricciardo will be able to run a much longer first stint than anyone else. I'm looking forward to a great tactical battle between the teams on their strategy.

Yes, but might be irrelevant if the forecast rain arrives before the start of the race.

zkojq · Sat May 28, 2016 3:16 pm

Look how close to the wall Kyvat was by the swimming pool! I don't think its possible to get any closer without doing a Verstappen!

Slow motion:
http://gfycat.com/AfraidEasyArgali

Quoting B747forever (Reply 18):
Didnt know that. What was the reason for changing mechanics? I guess Hamilton regrets the change now

They felt that internal team dynamics were getting a bit intense between Lewis and Nico's side of the garage, so Toto and Niki decided that the drivers would swap mechanics. I think it was implied that they will swap again each year, or something to that effect. It's actually quite a good idea, hopefully ensuring that the whole team stays united.

Quoting photopilot (Reply 19):

Say what you will about Hamilton and Rosberg, that was a killer lap laid down by Daniel Ricciardo in the Red Bull.

Absolutely stunning. This is why I love Monaco; the racing might not be so great, but watching everyone get so close to the kerbs as they push right to the limit during Quali is a pleasure to watch.

Quoting photopilot (Reply 19):
Going to be an interesting race, especially when you also consider that Ricciardo will start on the Super-soft while everyone else at the front will start on the Ultra-soft.

Quite a smart tactical move by RB.

Quoting photopilot (Reply 19):
So Ricciardo will be able to run a much longer first stint than anyone else.

This might be negated though by the rain. Supposedly there is a 55-75% chance of rain tomorrow.

CPH-R · Sat May 28, 2016 3:35 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 21):
This might be negated though by the rain. Supposedly there is a 55-75% chance of rain tomorrow.

As long as it doesn't get anywhere near the freakish weather Nürburgring suffered a little over an hour ago, they'll be fine. They literally had cars stranded on the track, due to the combination of an inch thick layer of hail and slick tires.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z22SPAWND9A

B747forever · Sat May 28, 2016 4:28 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 21):
They felt that internal team dynamics were getting a bit intense between Lewis and Nico's side of the garage, so Toto and Niki decided that the drivers would swap mechanics. I think it was implied that they will swap again each year, or something to that effect. It's actually quite a good idea, hopefully ensuring that the whole team stays united.

Smart move and something other teams should also adapt.

larshjort · Sat May 28, 2016 4:39 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 22):

CPH-R · Sat May 28, 2016 8:39 pm

Quoting larshjort (Reply 24):

The white bit in the last shot is the aforementioned hail piling up on the ground. Plenty of cars stuck there, as they couldn't get any traction for going uphill.

Aesma · Sat May 28, 2016 10:08 pm

Great lap by Ricciardo, and I must say I'm glad he beat Rosberg as Hamilton had his run hampered by another problem.

I'm not sure the tyre strategy will matter though, I've heard the commentators say that either tyre could do a full race.

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 21):
Look how close to the wall Kyvat was by the swimming pool! I don't think its possible to get any closer without doing a Verstappen!

I think Hamilton touched it a bit.

I believe they trust that the car will have some understeer, so they point the car somewhat towards the barrier.

zkojq · Sun May 29, 2016 5:54 am

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 22):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z22SPAWND9A

That car at 1:13 had some nerve to carry so much speed into the corner despite the lack of traction. Surprised that he managed to stay on track.

zkojq · Sun May 29, 2016 9:34 am

It's raining in Monaco!

http://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/status/736820695217364992?s=09

Quoting larshjort (Reply 24):

It's been quite an enjoyable race to watch so far. I've watched a couple of hours it: only realised that I could watch it through Radio Le Mans a few minutes ago.

[Edited 2016-05-29 02:38:51]

TheFlyingDisk · Sun May 29, 2016 11:16 am

Now that the rain has dropped, it changes everything. RIC's probably cursing his luck right now - a dry race would make his race slightly easier.

B747forever · Sun May 29, 2016 11:55 am

Really excited for this race just to see how HAM/ROS will behave after last race.

larshjort · Sun May 29, 2016 1:10 pm

Whiting needed to retire yesterday. No point in keeping the cars behind safety car until the best tyre is the intermediate. Why have the wet tyre if they are not allowed to race with it?

We were robbed of at least 7 laps on the full wets.

/Lars

CPH-R · Sun May 29, 2016 1:22 pm

I realise most are busy with the F1 race, but 10 minutes to go at the Nürburgring, 55 seconds between the leader and #2 - and the leader has just pitted for fuel and have had to be push started.

TheFlyingDisk · Sun May 29, 2016 1:45 pm

I don't know why but I'm seriously pissed off with Red Bull Racing. For the second race in a row they screwed up RIC's race, this time with a bungled up pitstop. How the hell did they win the championship before this?

Stealthz · Sun May 29, 2016 2:00 pm

So the Helmut Marko - Anti Australian conspiracy at RBR is still a thing!!

Stealthz · Sun May 29, 2016 2:23 pm

Dan R, said he was screwed.
A team is a team and badmouthing you team mates is not good thing but...
If he decided to pit and they were not ready, that is one thing but the team made the call and called him in.. then were not ready.
This is the foolish mistake made by a beginner in F4 or FF not a championship winning F1 team.

HM and CH are quick to fire drivers but they need to look at team & pit management!!
They won't though as they are the weak link!!

I have had for some time a weird take on the "body politic" at Red Bull, I think HM & CH consider themselves the stars and if anyone dares to aspire to eclipsing their lustre they will drive them out... we saw that with Mark, to some extent with Seb Vettel and if Max V becomes a superstar(which is almost certain) I can almost guarantee that they will find a way to drive him out as well.

[Edited 2016-05-29 07:43:51]

wolbo · Sun May 29, 2016 4:08 pm

Quoting TheFlyingDisk (Reply 33):

I don't know why but I'm seriously pissed off with Red Bull Racing. For the second race in a row they screwed up RIC's race, this time with a bungled up pitstop. How the hell did they win the championship before this?

Could have sworn that Red Bull won the previous race.

scbriml · Sun May 29, 2016 4:57 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 35):
Dan R, said he was screwed.
A team is a team and badmouthing you team mates is not good thing but...
If he decided to pit and they were not ready, that is one thing but the team made the call and called him in.. then were not ready.

I'd have to agree with him. The team cost him a Monaco win, just like Mercedes cost Hamilton last year. His sour demeanour is totally understandable - to win at Monaco win is hard enough, but to have one ripped from your grasp by your own team must be very hard to take. If he already had three Monaco wins under his belt, maybe he'd have been able to laugh it off.

Despite my dislike of Monaco as a venue for F1, as processions go, this was one of the more interesting ones.

Have to say credit to Rosberg for letting Hamilton through, he played the team game. When he let Hamilton through I doubt he imagined he'd end up seventh after being overtaken by Hulkenberg on the line. That's reduced his lead to less than a race win. He didn't look very happy in his post-race interview and his body language wasn't positive.

scbriml · Sun May 29, 2016 10:22 pm

Quoting wolbo (Reply 36):
Could have sworn that Red Bull won the previous race.

Yes, Crashstappen lucked into a win, but it would have been Ricciardo's win, and probably a 1-2 if Red Bull hadn't screwed up strategy.

zkojq · Mon May 30, 2016 10:08 am

What's the point of ultra-softs if they last forever and aren't much quicker than Super Softs?

B747forever · Mon May 30, 2016 2:35 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 38):

Quoting wolbo (Reply 36):
Could have sworn that Red Bull won the previous race.

Yes, Crashstappen lucked into a win, but it would have been Ricciardo's win, and probably a 1-2 if Red Bull hadn't screwed up strategy.

To be fair luck alone doesnt win you races, but I get your point. A horrible weekend for Max which he will want to forget as soon as possible.

AM744 · Mon May 30, 2016 3:32 pm

Great race by Sergio 'Checo' Pérez. Changing to soft tires just at the right time and holding off Vetel for the rest of the race in the most technical circuit of them all.

GrahamHill · Mon May 30, 2016 7:12 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 21):
Look how close to the wall Kyvat was by the swimming pool! I don't think its possible to get any closer without doing a Verstappen!

Now imagine next year with those tyres:

How many will tag the wall?

scbriml · Mon May 30, 2016 8:38 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 42):
Now imagine next year with those tyres:

They look like PROPER F1 tyres! It might take two men per tyre to lift those off and on the car! Wow!

photopilot · Mon May 30, 2016 9:12 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 43):
It might take two men per tyre to lift those off and on the car!

Won't be an issue. The new tires will be 405mm wide at the rear, instead of the current 325mm, and 305mm wide at the front, up from 245mm in 2016.

The new tyres are roughly 1kg heavier than the current 8.5kg.

CXB77L · Tue May 31, 2016 2:31 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 38):
Yes, Crashstappen lucked into a win, but it would have been Ricciardo's win, and probably a 1-2 if Red Bull hadn't screwed up strategy.

Even if Ricciardo hadn't made one too many pit stops in Barcelona, there was no guarantee that it would've been Ricciardo's win.

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