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Radical MALE Extremists

Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:59 pm

Since this forum is overwhelmingly male and because we spend so much time here arguing points along a Left v. Right political axis, perhaps we'll benefit from expanding the lens through which we view the world?

The men who hold power will fight to keep it, and men who find themselves without economic resources feel entitled to acquire things by force if they see no other way.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/experiments-in-philosophy/201202/why-are-men-so-violent

In my view, both ISIS and the US Army get recruits in large part because they are ready conduits through which males express their tendency towards violence. Eliminate 18-25 year old males, and we will live virtually without murder and crime. We won't have any armies to fight each other. Likewise, providing venues of violence and deadly tools to young men will guarantee that they use them. Young males around the world are violent and problematic, why do we not talk about this more?

Sexual and economic frustrations are crisis-causing for young men in free first world societies. Denying sex and and jobs to young men in the Middle East puts them in a prime position to get violent.

...all the problems we talk about need a bit more focus on the fact that they are caused by MEN, don't you agree?





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Re: Radical MALE Extremists

Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:17 pm

pu wrote:
In my view, both ISIS and the US Army get recruits in large part because they are ready conduits through which males express their tendency towards violence.


The world's young male population exists in more than just ISIS and the US Army...

pu wrote:
We won't have any armies to fight each other. Likewise, providing venues of violence and deadly tools to young men will guarantee that they use them. Young males around the world are violent and problematic, why do we not talk about this more?


Broad, meet brush.

pu wrote:
Eliminate 18-25 year old males, and we will live virtually without murder and crime.


Errrr, no. Women still commit crimes, and plenty of 25+ year old males commit crime, in fact far more than the demographic you're having a pop at.

And the most important point: not all 18-25 year old males commit crime. All of my closest friend and myself are in that bracket, we've got 0 crimes between us. The vast majority are just like the rest of society, getting by as best as we can.
 
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Re: Radical MALE Extremists

Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:36 pm

This is a very interesting topic that indeed needs more discussion. This aspect of conflicts is very often overlooked as talking about it tends to be a bit of a taboo, yet it's very real and relevant.

As a male in my 20's I can certainly very much understand the reasons why men of my age pretty much anywhere in the world might join radical and violent movements, no matter the ideology. This is the age where in most societies men are supposed to slowly transfer from teenage years to adulthood and start building their own lives. As far as I can see in pretty much all cultures adult men are expected to earn their own living, and eventually get a wife, have children and so on. If either, or typically both, of these things are denied, then it's no surprise that many young men in such situation feel their life has no purpose, and start looking for that purpose somewhere else. What organizations like ISIS certainly can provide is a sense of purpose, a sense that your actions matter and advance some higher cause, and at least equally importantly a sense of belonging.

In western context I think modern day feminism and its effects are interesting factors too. Nowadays in western world finding a partner has become more difficult than ever before in history for young men as single lifestyle has become acceptable, and thus there's little social pressure on young women to get married until in their 30's or so if ever. Obviously this means that there are more women available in one-night stand market, but never anywhere as many as there are men given women's lower average sex drive. Thus ultimately here in the west we are in the situation where more young men than ever before can find neither relationship nor one-night stands. Add the worsening economic outlook on top of this and no wonder why radicalism may be on the rise.

I suppose that in the Middle East and other places where conservative family values are still in place things are a bit different when it comes to young men and sex. Perhaps there it evolves more around economics, if you are too poor to support a family you won't get a wife, and when the society forbids other funs like one-night stands, hookers, alcohol and drugs what else can you do than go get violent? At least here in Finland you can drink yourself to death if nothing else as an alternative to extremism, but Muslims don't have that option. No wonder why the vast majority of world's most unstable and violent countries are also among those with lowest alcohol consumption, there's a clear correlation. Then let's also remember that polygamy is practiced in many Muslim countries, every time a well doing man takes a second wife some poorer man won't have a wife at all.

Conclusion:

Young men aren't at fault, the true fault lies in societies that don't give young men enough opportunities to earn their living and create a family of their own, two most natural goals for any young men. If you fail to provide those opportunities because of overdone feminism, polygamy or some other foolish idea, then at least give those young men some other meaningful activities to spend their time with, such as alcohol, drugs and hookers. Preferably all three.

Don't believe me? Just compare Europe and the US. We here in Europe tend to have more liberal attitudes on prostitution, the business being legal nearly everywhere, while in the US it's legal in just couple of counties in Nevada I believe. We also have significantly less gun violence. Similarly in European context Finland with stricter laws on prostitution (no brothels allowed) has significantly more gun violence than Germany with very liberal prostitution laws. Sure, there might be a couple of exceptions like Sweden, but they are the rape capital of Europe which explains it.

America doesn't need tighter gun control, it needs more legal hookers. I hope Trump will change this.
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Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:57 pm

Sorry, but this whole thread is based on a bogus hypothesis. First off, making references to the US military is silly. Soldiers only fight when ORDERED to fight. When a higher military authority (POTUS, Congress, etc?) declares war/conflict, etc. Eighteen-year-olds don't start their own wars, nor invade other countries.
"We won't have any armies to fight each other."

Bull-crap. Wars are ordered by old men in power and fought by young recruits who are ordered to. Perhaps if we got rid of old politicians and big business (military/insustrial complex) we wouldn't have any more wars. Wars are now fought for profit (think Haliburton) and for political reasons, decided by politicians. 18-25 year olds likely don't start many wars.

As to other murders, less than 30% of murders (accused) are committed by your stated age bracket (male) with a full 70% committed by other ages. Hardly a startling statistic to base this thread on. (Note Canadian figures, 2014)

Canadian police services reported 516 homicides in 2014, 4 more than in the previous year. The homicide rate, however, was stable in 2014 (1.45 per 100,000 population), making 2013 and 2014 the years with the lowest homicide rates since 1966. Gee, the LOWEST homicide rate since 1966. That kinda puts your hypothesis at odds with the facts despite the stresses of modern 1st world society. At least here in Canada, oh and we ARE a free 1st world society.

Here's the breakdown

Accused
Males = 376
0 to 11 years = 0
12 to 17 years = 20
18 to 24 years = 111
25 to 29 years = 69
30 to 39 years = 77
40 to 49 years = 42
50 to 59 years = 34
60 years and over = 22
Age not known = 1

Females = 55
0 to 11 years = 0
12 to 17 years = 5
18 to 24 years = 15
25 to 29 years = 7
30 to 39 years = 15
40 to 49 years = 7
50 to 59 years = 5
60 years and over = 1
Age not known = 0

Homicide includes Criminal Code offences of murder, manslaughter and infanticide. Includes all persons who are accused (by police) as having committed a homicide. Note that these are accused, not necessarily guilty and the numbers won't add up because of those homicides where no person has been charged or where one accused might have murdered more than one person in a single crime.
 
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Re: Radical MALE Extremists

Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:23 am

pvjin wrote:
As a male in my 20's I can certainly very much understand the reasons why men of my age pretty much anywhere in the world might join radical and violent movements, no matter the ideology.


Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Says the poster with Putin avatar? Seriously? Get real.
 
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Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:05 am

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Young men aren't at fault, the true fault lies in societies that don't give young men enough opportunities to earn their living and create a family of their own, two most natural goals for any young men. If you fail to provide those opportunities because of overdone feminism, polygamy or some other foolish idea, then at least give those young men some other meaningful activities to spend their time with, such as alcohol, drugs and hookers. Preferably all three.

This is bullshit excuse making and nobody with a lick of sense should buy any of it. Don't try to abdicate responsibility for your own decisions and shortcomings.
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Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:43 am

This whole thread is beginning to have an odoriferous stench of a troll thread with no real redeemable value.
 
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Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:51 am

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Don't believe me? Just compare Europe and the US. We here in Europe tend to have more liberal attitudes on prostitution, the business being legal nearly everywhere, while in the US it's legal in just couple of counties in Nevada I believe. We also have significantly less gun violence. Similarly in European context Finland with stricter laws on prostitution (no brothels allowed) has significantly more gun violence than Germany with very liberal prostitution laws. Sure, there might be a couple of exceptions like Sweden, but they are the rape capital of Europe which explains it.


Correlation and causation are not the same thing.

There is so much else I would like to refute in your post, but I'm tired and I will start there.
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Re: Radical MALE Extremists

Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:59 am

MrHMSH wrote:
And the most important point: not all 18-25 year old males commit crime. All of my closest friend and myself are in that bracket, we've got 0 crimes between us. The vast majority are just like the rest of society, getting by as best as we can.


Well, if you and your "closest" friends are comfortable, all males must be. Now take a look at how males and females react differently to frustrations, in your own life, then in the Bronx, then in the Middle East.
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Don't believe me? Just compare Europe and the US. We here in Europe tend to have more liberal attitudes on prostitution, the business being legal nearly everywhere, while in the US it's legal in just couple of counties in Nevada I believe. We also have significantly less gun violence. Similarly in European context Finland with stricter laws on prostitution (no brothels allowed) has significantly more gun violence than Germany with very liberal prostitution laws.


It's obvious that the Orlando massacre has an aspect of human sexuality to it for those who care to look beyond simple labels.

I agree with you - as long as young men have lots of sex, that solves a lot of their angst. Providing entertainment (drugs, sports, booze, whatever) is helpful, as is a job. Provide sex, drugs/beer, and a good paying job to every Palestinian and the Middle East conflict is over.

We're still looking at beating enemies with violence. The same way we did thousands of years ago. Instead of invading Iraq with the idea of reforming the government, the US should have invaded Iraq with the idea of liberating young males....provide prostitutes from Vegas, free beer, and high tech gaming = no ISIS.

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Don't try to abdicate responsibility for your own decisions and shortcomings.


Male sexuality is not a shortcoming. Nor is the very aggressiveness and tendency towards breaking the rules a habit within their control - it's a biological trait. In our modern first world society, bad behaviour is a defense mechanism. In the sandy places where p*ssy and booze are nowhere to be found, the frustrated male sexuality and lack of physical satiation overall gives us a swatch of land from Afghanistan west to Morocco of angry young men. "Fear of failure" and "fear of feminine" gives us aggressive behaviour across the globe.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19200141301847


Religion and social norms are one of many ways for abdicating responsibility, btw. I can kill someone overseas and face no punishment if done "for my country", but killing someone at home is frowned upon.

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This whole thread is beginning to have an odoriferous stench of a troll thread with no real redeemable value.


Whoops, male ego bruised gets aggressive reaction. Aren't their threads around where where you can blame all global problems and your own personal failures onto America? Even though you claim to detest this topic, you participated twice and will be unable to resist replying yet again.....










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Re: Radical MALE Extremists

Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:15 am

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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Says the poster with Putin avatar? Seriously? Get real.


What's wrong with my Putin avatar? He's a great man who is making world a better place by providing a counterbalance to the most evil superpower in world's history. I also own a Putin coffee cup.


BMI727 wrote:
This is bullshit excuse making and nobody with a lick of sense should buy any of it. Don't try to abdicate responsibility for your own decisions and shortcomings.


Yea yea yea, in your libtard fairyland everything depends from the individual. Too bad in real world things are different as we aren't living in post apocalyptic anarchy yet.

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Correlation and causation are not the same thing.

There is so much else I would like to refute in your post, but I'm tired and I will start there.


Perhaps, but the causation between stricter gun laws and reduced gun violence is hardly as clear as people make it to be either.

pu wrote:
I agree with you - as long as young men have lots of sex, that solves a lot of their angst. Providing entertainment (drugs, sports, booze, whatever) is helpful, as is a job. Provide sex, drugs/beer, and a good paying job to every Palestinian and the Middle East conflict is over.

We're still looking at beating enemies with violence. The same way we did thousands of years ago. Instead of invading Iraq with the idea of reforming the government, the US should have invaded Iraq with the idea of liberating young males....provide prostitutes from Vegas, free beer, and high tech gaming = no ISIS.


Exactly. People too often overlook the fact that we are just apes that developed too big brains for their own good. Men who have something better to do most likely won't be so keen on fighting a war unless forced to.
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Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:59 pm

I think it is more societal than governmental. Just because one country has strict gun laws and liberal prostitution laws proves nothing. There are still radicals and violence in Germany. Look at the number of "Christian" males who have been arrested for picking up male prostitutes or the number of males who are militant gay bashers but are found to have tons of gay porn.

I think it has more to do with men who think they have to be put in one category because of what society tells them. The only government component to it is when extremist governments legislate their brand of religion. See HB2 and the cake wars.
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Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:27 pm

I agree. Most of the worst gun crimes happen with males 18-35 pulling the trigger.

Therefore, I think we can say that females can have the right to bear arms starting at age 18. For males, they also enjoy the right to bear arms, just as soon as they are emotionally mature enough, which may happen around age 40 or so. Certain job related exceptions can be made on a special case by case basis, such as soldiers and police officers who pass very strict vetting, in a process that is immune to civil rights challenges.
 
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:39 am

It's not just violence, but also bad decisions in general. In the USA, once you turn 25 or 26, you get a discount on your auto insurance if you're a male. Females have lower insurance rates than males under the age of 25. This stuff is borne out by the data, also.

But what to do about it? Raise adulthood from 18 to 25? Voting age to 25? Seems excessive and could bring more problems than solutions.
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:39 am

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But what to do about it? Raise adulthood from 18 to 25? Voting age to 25? Seems excessive and could bring more problems than solutions.


Reduce societal/religious focus on monogamy and empower young men and women to comfortably and safely engage their own sexuality to the extent they are personally content with. :D
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:03 am

Aaron747 wrote:
PPVRA wrote:
But what to do about it? Raise adulthood from 18 to 25? Voting age to 25? Seems excessive and could bring more problems than solutions.


Reduce societal/religious focus on monogamy and empower young men and women to comfortably and safely engage their own sexuality to the extent they are personally content with. :D


So far hasn't worked very well here in Finland at least. According to statistics the youth here is having less sex than ever before, especially young men even though they would want to have more. So the market clearly isn't balanced through equality.

I think affordable state owned brothels would be a necessary addition to fix this serious issue that threatens the very future and stability of western societies.
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:52 am

pvjin wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
PPVRA wrote:
But what to do about it? Raise adulthood from 18 to 25? Voting age to 25? Seems excessive and could bring more problems than solutions.


Reduce societal/religious focus on monogamy and empower young men and women to comfortably and safely engage their own sexuality to the extent they are personally content with. :D


So far hasn't worked very well here in Finland at least. According to statistics the youth here is having less sex than ever before, especially young men even though they would want to have more. So the market clearly isn't balanced through equality.

I think affordable state owned brothels would be a necessary addition to fix this serious issue that threatens the very future and stability of western societies.


Are you talking about all the Finnish males or just yourself?
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:38 am

"Young males around the world are violent and problematic, why do we not talk about this more?

Sexual and economic frustrations are crisis-causing for young men in free first world societies. Denying sex and and jobs to young men in the Middle East puts them in a prime position to get violent.

...all the problems we talk about need a bit more focus on the fact that they are caused by MEN, don't you agree?"

No.

Can someone please explain to me why Radical Feminist Bullshit weaseled its way on Airliners.net?

OP is obviously a troll and/or living in a bubble with no grasp on reality.

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Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:39 am

pvjin wrote:
statistics the youth here is having less sex than ever before, especially young men even though they would want to have more. So the market clearly isn't balanced through equality.


... how terrible that Girls/Women today know what they want, know what they don´t want, and are not afraid anymore to say it. If you learn to listen, you get to be the picky one.

I think affordable state owned brothels would be a necessary addition to fix this serious issue that threatens the very future and stability of western societies.


How much more affordable do you want it? Flatrate sex clocks in at ~100 EUR/day even in high-cost Germany.

Boeing778x wrote:
Sexual and economic frustrations are crisis-causing for young men in free first world societies. Denying sex and and jobs to young men in the Middle East puts them in a prime position to get violent.


Well, the role model in a society also plays a large role. Just as per driving, when driving was still mostly a men thing, and they owned most of the cars, women where statistically much safer drivers. But women driving becoming a perfectly normal thing, if you go to a tuning/modder meeting today the male/female ratio gets quite close to 50:50, that difference pretty much disappeared, and the rebates a women-driver-only insurance could bring reduced by quite a bit.
Sex is a similar area, while it is nowhere near a statistical sample, i have a lot more (girl-)friend in their twens that have sex like a man than i had 10-20 years ago, down to having a toyboy just for fun, that begs them to become more than just a sex toy. Modern times, i like it....

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Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:07 pm

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pvjin wrote:
As a male in my 20's I can certainly very much understand the reasons why men of my age pretty much anywhere in the world might join radical and violent movements, no matter the ideology.


Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Says the poster with Putin avatar? Seriously? Get real.


Putin is an excellent leader.

Either way radical feminism share the blame in a lot of problems this world faces.
 
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:08 pm

pu wrote:
Since this forum is overwhelmingly male and because we spend so much time here arguing points along a Left v. Right political axis, perhaps we'll benefit from expanding the lens through which we view the world?

The men who hold power will fight to keep it, and men who find themselves without economic resources feel entitled to acquire things by force if they see no other way.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/experiments-in-philosophy/201202/why-are-men-so-violent

In my view, both ISIS and the US Army get recruits in large part because they are ready conduits through which males express their tendency towards violence. Eliminate 18-25 year old males, and we will live virtually without murder and crime. We won't have any armies to fight each other. Likewise, providing venues of violence and deadly tools to young men will guarantee that they use them. Young males around the world are violent and problematic, why do we not talk about this more?

Sexual and economic frustrations are crisis-causing for young men in free first world societies. Denying sex and and jobs to young men in the Middle East puts them in a prime position to get violent.

...all the problems we talk about need a bit more focus on the fact that they are caused by MEN, don't you agree?





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This sounds like another attempt to try and make excuses for islamofacism.
 
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I think I'd rather have a re-read of that thread about the Powderpuff Girls than even attempt to read this thread properly.
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:15 pm

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This sounds like another attempt to try and make excuses for islamofacism.

Terrorism kills fewer Americans than falling furniture, and not much of it is Islamic, so you're going to have to make up something else.
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:29 am

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So far hasn't worked very well here in Finland at least. According to statistics the youth here is having less sex than ever before, especially young men even though they would want to have more. So the market clearly isn't balanced through equality.


You could always just go gay for pay, or bisexual for fun. Whatever floats your boat if you can't find a lass to lay.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:53 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
AAPilot wrote:
This sounds like another attempt to try and make excuses for islamofacism.

Terrorism kills fewer Americans than falling furniture, and not much of it is Islamic, so you're going to have to make up something else.


And yet...all terrorists are Islamic...Perhaps he's on to something.

Against, stop making excuses for Islamofascists!
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And yet...all terrorists are Islamic...


Actually, no. Remember the "baby killer" Colorado Springs terrorist? Or the South Carolina church shooter terrorist? Or Roseburg? Or Aurora?

oh, wait.... they can't be terrorists because they are white. Or some other excuse for not calling white men terrorists.

Also, in the United States, you are more likely to be shot by a child than by a terrorist.
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Boeing778X wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
AAPilot wrote:
This sounds like another attempt to try and make excuses for islamofacism.

Terrorism kills fewer Americans than falling furniture, and not much of it is Islamic, so you're going to have to make up something else.


And yet...all terrorists are Islamic...Perhaps he's on to something.

Against, stop making excuses for Islamofascists!

Also not true. The vast VAST majority (ie 90+%) of terrorist attacks in the US are non Muslim.
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Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:04 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
Boeing778X wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Terrorism kills fewer Americans than falling furniture, and not much of it is Islamic, so you're going to have to make up something else.


And yet...all terrorists are Islamic...Perhaps he's on to something.

Against, stop making excuses for Islamofascists!

Also not true. The vast VAST majority (ie 90+%) of terrorist attacks in the US are non Muslim.


I'm sure that source considers "terrorist" attacks random hate crimes as well. Either way islamkfascists have the highest body count. In the thousands now.
 
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AAPilot wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Boeing778X wrote:

And yet...all terrorists are Islamic...Perhaps he's on to something.

Against, stop making excuses for Islamofascists!

Also not true. The vast VAST majority (ie 90+%) of terrorist attacks in the US are non Muslim.


I'm sure that source considers "terrorist" attacks random hate crimes as well. Either way islamkfascists have the highest body count. In the thousands now.

In the US? Not by a country mile, but let's be honest you probably can't read numbers gud and even if you could you wouldn't bother to understand them. If it's not out of duh bible or duh blaze it ain't true, right?
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Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:03 pm

Oh this beautiful thread, I almost forgot it during my holiday.

TheF15Ace wrote:
pvjin wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Reduce societal/religious focus on monogamy and empower young men and women to comfortably and safely engage their own sexuality to the extent they are personally content with. :D


So far hasn't worked very well here in Finland at least. According to statistics the youth here is having less sex than ever before, especially young men even though they would want to have more. So the market clearly isn't balanced through equality.

I think affordable state owned brothels would be a necessary addition to fix this serious issue that threatens the very future and stability of western societies.


Are you talking about all the Finnish males or just yourself?


All Finnish males obviously as my conclusion isn't based on my personal experiences, but actual country wide statistics.

PacificBeach88 wrote:
pvjin wrote:

So far hasn't worked very well here in Finland at least. According to statistics the youth here is having less sex than ever before, especially young men even though they would want to have more. So the market clearly isn't balanced through equality.


You could always just go gay for pay, or bisexual for fun. Whatever floats your boat if you can't find a lass to lay.


Sure, but I find the idea of having to bang other men simply because women are being picky kind of messed up.


... how terrible that Girls/Women today know what they want, know what they don´t want, and are not afraid anymore to say it. If you learn to listen, you get to be the picky one.


Sorry, that's not how it works as despite feminism the sex market today still favours strong confident men who don't really listen women.


How much more affordable do you want it? Flatrate sex clocks in at ~100 EUR/day even in high-cost Germany.


Whaaat,100EUR a day? As far as I know that'll buy you 30 minutes in Finland, which is very poor value for money when you can get fine booze and cigars that will give you hours of fun.
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Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:28 pm

Given the way you act you would need maybe a max of €10. Go have some fun.
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Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:07 pm

coolian2 wrote:
Given the way you act you would need maybe a max of €10. Go have some fun.


Does the way I act mean I must be a person of lower wealth? Damn, you must be one of those neoliberals who think poor people are inferior and should be left to starve.
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Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:26 pm

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coolian2 wrote:
Given the way you act you would need maybe a max of €10. Go have some fun.


Does the way I act mean I must be a person of lower wealth? Damn, you must be one of those neoliberals who think poor people are inferior and should be left to starve.

Get a hobby.

If €100 will get you 30 minutes with a prostitute, you should need €10 max. Get an adult to explain it to you.
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Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:59 pm

coolian2 wrote:
pvjin wrote:
coolian2 wrote:
Given the way you act you would need maybe a max of €10. Go have some fun.


Does the way I act mean I must be a person of lower wealth? Damn, you must be one of those neoliberals who think poor people are inferior and should be left to starve.

Get a hobby.

If €100 will get you 30 minutes with a prostitute, you should need €10 max. Get an adult to explain it to you.


Now I get it, thanks for clarifying your poorly made joke. Unfortunately after this I still haven't found a funny social justice warrior.
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Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:05 pm

Yet on the contrary, you're actually hilarious.
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Re: Radical MALE Extremists

Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:05 pm

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Sure, but I find the idea of having to bang other men simply because women are being picky kind of messed up.

Since when do women owe sex to men they find unattractive?
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Sorry, that's not how it works as despite feminism the sex market today still favours strong confident men who don't really listen women.

Sorry, you're confused. Strong, confident men listen to women. It's the insecure, infantile types who feel emasculated by a women asserting her right to be her own person.
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Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:25 pm

Since when do women owe sex to men they find unattractive?


If we go back in the history just little bit (or go a bit further away from western world even today) women's role is to get married, have children and take care of the family. In this traditional patriarchal setting sex comes as a part of the package no matter how ugly either side of the agreement may be.

I don't think anybody owes anything, but the traditional model is definitely a better basis for a stable society than what we have now.

Sorry, you're confused. Strong, confident men listen to women. It's the insecure, infantile types who feel emasculated by a women asserting her right to be her own person.


Generally speaking even in liberal western societies women tend to be more passive and expect men to take the leader's role when it comes to romantic relationships. Feminism hasn't changed that anywhere really. Strong, confident men make women listen them first and foremost.
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Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:26 pm

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Sure, but I find the idea of having to bang other men simply because women are being picky kind of messed up.




Perhaps girls don't want to sleep with you because you SOUND LIKE A RAPIST!
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Re: Radical MALE Extremists

Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:35 pm

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pvjin wrote:

Sure, but I find the idea of having to bang other men simply because women are being picky kind of messed up.




Perhaps girls don't want to sleep with you because you SOUND LIKE A RAPIST!


I don't think I do, I've never felt rape to be an acceptable thing to do. Me not getting laid isn't the issue here anyway, I simply find these things interesting from wider societal perspective. I think the fact gay males, a minority, have easier time finding sex partners than the majority, heterosexual males, pretty much disproves the entire modern feminist theory with its claims about sex and sexual behaviour being primarily social constructions.
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Re: Radical MALE Extremists

Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:07 pm

Do you have any sources for all these "Facts"? If so I would like to see them.
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