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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:40 am

jetwet1 wrote:
LittleFokker wrote:
However, I have a hard time believing that Melania has a strong enough grasp of the English language nor the desire to ad lib two paragraphs that were word for word stolen from another source.


As I said above, she speaks 5 languages, she has a pretty good grasp on English, the desire to ab lib, that I don't see.

IMHO, here is what happened, her speechwriter copy and pasted a couple of lines from the Obama speech with the intention of changing it enough where it wouldn't scream plagiarism, but for some stupid reason never actually changed it, a huge mistake.

Straight out of a "Veep" script.
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The more I think about the situation, the more I feel that the screw-up is just for the talking heads and political writers.

1. Melania is not running for an elected office - her husband is. I would bet that her level of influence if he is elected would be somewhat below that of his children.

2. Melania was reading a teleprromter in her first major national speech. I'l give her credit for working hard on that, but don't feel the screwup was her fault. While I would vote against Lassie over Trump I think his wie needs to be treated fairly on this.

Now lets watch this game to see WHO wrote those two paragraphs and who sipped it onto the teleprompter.

Agreed. The problem is not Melania. Whatever level of intellect or linguistic mastery she may or may not have is irrelevant because she gives The Donald what he wants. Nobody expects these speeches to be written by anyone but a speech writer, which is the real problem and speaks volumes.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:43 am

Yes it was Plagiarized. Those couple of paragraphs matched Obama's speech word for word! I think the response to the was worse than the plagiarizing. Instead on owning up to it (like Obama did) the Trump campaign denied she lifted the speech, then blamed Hillary saying that when a woman threatens Hillary Clinton, she tries to demean her and take her (Melania) down.

It is typical of the Trump campaign when they get caught doing something wrong. Deny, deny, deny then blame someone else!
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:55 am

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DLFREEBIRD nailed it. If Melania did not write that speech herself, then it was sabotage.



The way that they should handle it if it is sabotage is to basically drag out the speech writer, figuratively give him the gillotine treatment, and parade his head on a spear for all to see.

But they haven't. And that... is strange. It makes me think that Mrs. Trump actually did write the speech. But even if it is her fifth language, plagiarism is the same in any tongue. That said, speech-writers went over it and I would expect a professional speech writer to recognize those lines. A professional should know such things. That's how you get to be, well, a professional.

I'm a professional in my field and I swear sometimes my patients think I'm a clairvoyant wizard. It's not magic; it's having done a job for years to the point that I know my work like the back of my hand. I would expect a professional speech writer to be familiar with all major recent political speeches and for something like to ring a bell.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:55 am

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1. Melania is not running for an elected office - her husband is. I would bet that her level of influence if he is elected would be somewhat below that of his children

It's not Melania's fault; it's just a symptom of the chronically mismanaged and poorly executed hot mess that is Trump's campaign. His followers obviously don't care, and there will probably be another misstep within moments.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:04 am

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Fake hair, fake boobs, fake speech, it all goes together...
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:49 am

DocLightning wrote:
The way that they should handle it if it is sabotage is to basically drag out the speech writer, figuratively give him the gillotine treatment, and parade his head on a spear for all to see.

But they haven't. And that... is strange. It makes me think that Mrs. Trump actually did write the speech. But even if it is her fifth language, plagiarism is the same in any tongue.


You didn't care that Biden plagiarized his way through law school, plus his political speeches, that Obama and Michele both plagiarized - and we aren't talking about 2 little lines - big passages. And the two lines contained pretty standard stuff - golden rule stuff like "you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise, that you treat people with respect." Didn't we all get that speech as kids, in exactly those words? I sure did.

Get over it.

At least she actually likes her country, unlike Michelle.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:20 am

Shit happens. I do not think this woman can be held responsible. She did not write, or print one word of it. The blame falls on the staff. She read it as some one wrote it. I'll bet it was embarrasing for her.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:28 am

Dreadnought wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
Boeing717200 wrote:
You're missing it too. How do you think Trump ended up the nominee?


The GOP has pushed an agenda of bigotry for almost 20 years now. We hate gays, Latinos, Muslims, and pointy-headed intellectuals. We're OK with Black people as long as they toe the line and say "Yes, massa."


When shit like this gets written, you eliminate any possibility of reasonable debate. How can you argue with someone who is so convinced of his moral superiority and that his opponents are just evil bigots. Maybe that is your purpose. Either way, you as an otherwise well educated person are shaming only yourself at writing this sort of thing.


Earlier you said the above, then you say this:

Dreadnought wrote:
At least she actually likes her country, unlike Michelle.


All I can do is laugh. Just laugh.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:40 am

Dreadnought wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
The way that they should handle it if it is sabotage is to basically drag out the speech writer, figuratively give him the gillotine treatment, and parade his head on a spear for all to see.

But they haven't. And that... is strange. It makes me think that Mrs. Trump actually did write the speech. But even if it is her fifth language, plagiarism is the same in any tongue.


You didn't care that Biden plagiarized his way through law school, plus his political speeches, that Obama and Michele both plagiarized - and we aren't talking about 2 little lines - big passages. And the two lines contained pretty standard stuff - golden rule stuff like "you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise, that you treat people with respect." Didn't we all get that speech as kids, in exactly those words? I sure did.

Get over it.

At least she actually likes her country, unlike Michelle.


I know that part of Mr. Obama's speech was lifted one time. Also about the same amount as what Mrs. Trump said. It wasn't his convention speech, though. And he promptly apologized for it himself, although it was probably a speech writer's error.

As for the other accusation, I'll need citations (and Breitbart isn't an acceptable one. I'll accept Fox, WSJ and other major outlets.)
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:40 am

At least she actually likes her country, unlike Michelle

A bit of a stretch, makes you a hot sketch. I did not know you could actally make me chuckle.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:40 am

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All I can do is laugh. Just laugh.


Michelle said it herself - she had no love for her country until her husband became president. And if you read her college thesis, this is a woman with a BIG chip on her shoulder.

I just had a scary thought... What if Michelle does a Hillary and tries to run in a few years...
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:01 am

The speech was obviously plagiarized; however the blame falls in Donald's lap. He is the one that created the campaign organization, he hired the staff and set the standards they operate under. By the way, this is the same quality of management we should expect of a Trump administration if they were dealing with China, Russia or whoever in a military standoff al la Cuban missile crisis or some such thing, (should Trump win in November). However it happened, the professional political staff was responsible for making sure that whatever was shown on that teleprompter had been vetted and double checked by grown ups, and in the political world surrounding a presidential bid, Melania, pretty face and all, could not be considered one of the grownups.

I think it was a setup.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:23 am

It looks like Donald Trump Jr's speech is a rehashed one as well.

http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/0 ... on/492134/

"Even as I type, Donald J. Trump Jr’s speech on his father’s behalf at the Republican convention is receiving lots of praise on the cable shows.

Unfortunately it appears that for a second night in a row, a member of Donald J. Trump Sr.’s nuclear family may have recycled material in a prime-time speech."
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:10 am

Dreadnought makes things up.
Above he claims Michelle said:
she had no love for her country until her husband became president.


That is not what she said if Dreadnought is slinging the normal rightwing BS about her speech in Madison.

What she said in Madison, Wisconsin on February 18, 2008: "for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country". There is also the context behind that statement to consider, the context of the statement within the speech and the context of the life of a black woman who was born and raised on the south side of Chicago.

I grew up in that city. In the southside of Chicago I grew up in, an integrated neighborhood was defined as the span of time between when the first black family moved in and the time the last white family moved out.


Twisting Michelle's words was a low thing to do.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:27 am

PacificBeach88 wrote:
It looks like Donald Trump Jr's speech is a rehashed one as well.

http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/0 ... on/492134/

"Even as I type, Donald J. Trump Jr’s speech on his father’s behalf at the Republican convention is receiving lots of praise on the cable shows.

Unfortunately it appears that for a second night in a row, a member of Donald J. Trump Sr.’s nuclear family may have recycled material in a prime-time speech."


W.F. Buckley came forward as the speech writer and he is the author of the original words. While what he did is not ethically suspect, it would still make me very cross if I were Mr. Trump. When, say, the President gives a speech, he is rarely the one who wrote it. And yet "Obama said..." The speech is supposed to be Mr. Trump Jr's speech. For the speech writer to have to identify himself because he reused his own words makes it seem as if the entire campaign has no original thoughts.

So nothing improper was done, but it doesn't look pretty, either.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:33 am

DocLightning wrote:
W.F. Buckley came forward as the speech writer and he is the author of the original words. While what he did is not ethically suspect, it would still make me very cross if I were Mr. Trump. When, say, the President gives a speech, he is rarely the one who wrote it. And yet "Obama said..." The speech is supposed to be Mr. Trump Jr's speech. For the speech writer to have to identify himself because he reused his own words makes it seem as if the entire campaign has no original thoughts.

So nothing improper was done, but it doesn't look pretty, either.


That's what the Atlantic article mentioned:

"But if you were giving a major prime-time speech, 24 hours after your stepmother ran into a buzzsaw for misappropriated material, wouldn’t you be a little bit careful about this? Wouldn’t you say, “What one writer has called” or “It has been said” or something of that sort? Wouldn’t you think: OK, before anything else, I can’t keep the plagiarism story going?

Why even risk controversy of this sort, when it would be so easy to avoid?"
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:54 am

Imagine if democrats cared as much about Hillary's emails and server as they do about Melania Trump's speech. It's like all of a sudden Hillary voters are all about honesty, ethics and integrity. LOL
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:02 pm

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Imagine if democrats cared as much about Hillary's emails and server as they do about Melania Trump's speech. It's like all of a sudden Hillary voters are all about honesty, ethics and integrity. LOL


I don't care. They're a distraction. She made a poor choice from a bunch of poor options. Her other option was not to have E-mail at all, basically, being only able to use it from secure wired stations within State Department facilities. That would mean she'd be out of touch with a lot of current events when she was on the road, which was almost always.

But it looks as if the speech writer's draft didn't include those words. So Mrs. Trump added them herself. And I can only imagine that 1) She knows where those words came from and 2) She's not as dumb as people think she is. Is she sabotaging her husband's white house aspirations? What does THAT say about the campaign?
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:56 pm

Dreadnought wrote:
OA412 wrote:
All I can do is laugh. Just laugh.


Michelle said it herself - she had no love for her country until her husband became president. And if you read her college thesis, this is a woman with a BIG chip on her shoulder.

I just had a scary thought... What if Michelle does a Hillary and tries to run in a few years...

If Michelle runs she'll probably slay whatever GOP ape they put forward. If there's still a GOP to speak of...

windy95 wrote:
Imagine if democrats cared as much about Hillary's emails and server as they do about Melania Trump's speech. It's like all of a sudden Hillary voters are all about honesty, ethics and integrity. LOL

Imagine if the republicans had something to talk about from this decade. Saul Alinsky? Lucifer? Bill's affairs? Somehow the republicans are stuck in the 90s, which would explain why they haven't learned of their own autopsy report two decades later in 2013
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:12 pm

DocLightning wrote:

I don't care. They're a distraction. She made a poor choice from a bunch of poor options. Her other option was not to have E-mail at all, basically, being only able to use it from secure wired stations within State Department facilities. That would mean she'd be out of touch with a lot of current events when she was on the road, which was almost always.


Her option was to use the State Department e-mail system and approved devices for State Department business and use her personal e-mail server and personal devices for personal business.

Just like every other government employee does. She simply wanted to avoid F.O.I.A.requests, which is problem enough. The news cycles are full of government employees geting slapped in the last decade for doing things to avoid public records requests. This issue goes to her lack of integrity.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:38 pm

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Calder wrote:
Surely both sides are guilty of lifting sections of speech from the "other" side.

After all, there are only so many combinations of words that can be used.

Also, rule of the internet number 24. Everything is a repost of a repost of a repost...


In other words: if Republicans do it, no need to talk about it, move along, nothing to see here. If a Democrats even hints at it, there is hell to pay, heads will roll, this is how the party is so vote against Democrats. Or, business as usual in the right wing echo chamber....


Ehh, I caucus with the Democrats. I also think there are more important things to talk about this election cycle than who lifted who's speech from whom.
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:53 pm

windy95 wrote:
Imagine if democrats cared as much about Hillary's emails and server as they do about Melania Trump's speech. It's like all of a sudden Hillary voters are all about honesty, ethics and integrity. LOL


:lol: :lol:

You can add the media to that, too.
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:39 pm

I see a lot of "this means nothing because Hillary" around. Think about it. Both third wife and son plagiarized. This shows the integrity of the family. People keep screaming about Hillary's integrity for using a private server (never questioning Rove using a private server) but, when it comes to the nominated first family, integrity does not matter. Interesting...
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:49 pm

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At least she actually likes her country, unlike Michelle.


You have the most fantastically (and terrifyingly) distorted understanding of this that I can possibly imagine. You talk about liberal thought police? Yet you are the most thought policing person imaginable. You seriously are unable to allow an opinion from someone fairly criticizing America for its history of injustices without jumping on a fascist bandwagon berating her for not sufficiently blaring "my country right or wrong"?!?!

Shaking my head.

Dreadnought wrote:
I just had a scary thought... What if Michelle does a Hillary and tries to run in a few years...


That would be amazing. I wish she did it right now. I'd vote for her above anyone else running in a flash.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:00 pm

Ok, now let's all calm down! Left and Right in the US have a lot in common. From abroad they are often indistinguishable. Melania just came out of the closet (actually she was outted by the speech-writer) as a BIG time Michelle Obama fan. Those of you saying Michelle does not love her country, please re-read and re-consider: Trump's wife thinks she is awesome. Get it?

Those of you thinking Armagedon will come if Michelle decides to be president, please ask Melania first whether she will vote for Michelle. My guess is that she will.

As far as Melania's ability to speak English, as a non-native speaker, I can state with confidence that her pronunciation is fairly poor. Donald imported a wife - yet another one, and he didn't even send her to accent reduction class. That just points to what his priorities when it comes to women are: Talking does not rank high in the list.

Regardless, yet another low point for a Party with such a great potential to make America great again - with another candidate of course.
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:25 pm

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At least she actually likes her country, unlike Michelle


Spoken like a white Republican. My bet is that you didn't grow up black or had an awareness of the difficulties they went through over the generations. I can remember when there used to be two water fountains side by side - one marked White and one marked Colored. And that was the tip of the iceberg. There was nothing to be proud of in those days if you were not white and the African American community understands that.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:43 pm

And the days of two water fountains is what Trump is talking about when he says he wants to make America great again.
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:00 pm

Dreadnought wrote:
OA412 wrote:
All I can do is laugh. Just laugh.


Michelle said it herself - she had no love for her country until her husband became president. And if you read her college thesis, this is a woman with a BIG chip on her shoulder.

I just had a scary thought... What if Michelle does a Hillary and tries to run in a few years...


if you are going to quote her. then quote her correctly.

“People in this country are ready for change and hungry for a different kind of politics and … for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.”

Many people were proud for the first time in their adult life when the people of America elected a black president. It was a milestone and it sent a message that anybody can grow up and become president. Now Donald Trump nomination is sending the same message. Sigh! Anybody can be president.
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:53 pm

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Both third wife and son plagiarized.... Interesting...


First of all, his son did no such thing and Malania's speech writer has spoken up. Second, I find it rather amusing you equate a convention speech with national security issues and then declare there is an integrity problem.

I bet you wonder why people don't take you seriously.
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:04 pm

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I bet you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

...because you're talking about an integrity problem while defending Trump? :lol:

DLFREEBIRD wrote:
“People in this country are ready for change and hungry for a different kind of politics and … for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.”

Many people were proud for the first time in their adult life when the people of America elected a black president. It was a milestone and it sent a message that anybody can grow up and become president. Now Donald Trump nomination is sending the same message. Sigh! Anybody can be president.

Old white dirtbag claims America is a flaming dump that he wants to "make great again" = patriot!

Black woman says she's proud of a country making a comeback = communist sympathizer that needs to be drawn and quartered.
 
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Boeing717200 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Both third wife and son plagiarized.... Interesting...


First of all, his son did no such thing and Malania's speech writer has spoken up. Second, I find it rather amusing you equate a convention speech with national security issues and then declare there is an integrity problem.

I bet you wonder why people don't take you seriously.


Technically, it was plagiarizing since he did not give credit

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/ ... ni-scandal

And, yes, so many righties scream about "integrity" when discussing Hillary. From her time as First Lady of Arkansas to this very second. If third wife and junior have so little integrity as to copy without credit (also known as stealing or plagiarizing) why can't people hold them to the same high standard? They are helping represent the Republican party. They should be held to the same impossibly high standards of integrity as you righties hold Democrats to.
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:11 pm

seb146 wrote:
Boeing717200 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Both third wife and son plagiarized.... Interesting...


First of all, his son did no such thing and Malania's speech writer has spoken up. Second, I find it rather amusing you equate a convention speech with national security issues and then declare there is an integrity problem.

I bet you wonder why people don't take you seriously.


Technically, it was plagiarizing since he did not give credit

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/ ... ni-scandal

And, yes, so many righties scream about "integrity" when discussing Hillary. From her time as First Lady of Arkansas to this very second. If third wife and junior have so little integrity as to copy without credit (also known as stealing or plagiarizing) why can't people hold them to the same high standard? They are helping represent the Republican party. They should be held to the same impossibly high standards of integrity as you righties hold Democrats to.


LOL. US News. :lol:

Love this new ignore function. I can finally ignore the insanity.
 
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They are helping represent the Republican party. They should be held to the same impossibly high standards of integrity as you righties hold Democrats to.

Republicans? Standards? :lol: Why do you think they have Jesus? It's a get out of jail free card while you condemn everyone else to burn eternally.
 
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Many people were proud for the first time in their adult life when the people of America elected a black president. It was a milestone and it sent a message that anybody can grow up and become president.


I was in New Zealand that day. Until then, for much of my adult life Bush II had been President and when traveling abroad (which I did a lot in my 20s) I did not wear anything that would identify me as American. I was afraid of violence but I was also ashamed of my country's international image.

I had brought my Obama T-shirt to New Zealand and the next morning after the election I put it on. Random passers-by on the street were literally walking up to me and asking if I was American. And for the first time in my adult life, I found myself smiling, looking them in the eye, and saying: "Yes. Yes, I am." They congratulated me and shook my hand.

The reception when I was back in Australia the next day was the same. People would hear my accent: "Are you American?" Yes. "Did you vote for Obama?" Yes. "Congratulations, mate!"

I am proud of my country when we do the right thing and the Obama Presidency was the right thing. If Donald Trump wins in November, I will be ashamed of my country. That doesn't mean I don't love it. Any parent has been ashamed of their child and yet still loves their child. But it means that I will admit when my country has done something wrong. There is no greater love than honesty.
 
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I was in New Zealand that day. Until then, for much of my adult life Bush II had been President and when traveling abroad (which I did a lot in my 20s) I did not wear anything that would identify me as American. I was afraid of violence but I was also ashamed of my country's international image.


This isn't, nor was it, rational behavior by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:37 pm

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DocLightning wrote:
I was in New Zealand that day. Until then, for much of my adult life Bush II had been President and when traveling abroad (which I did a lot in my 20s) I did not wear anything that would identify me as American. I was afraid of violence but I was also ashamed of my country's international image.


This isn't, nor was it, rational behavior by any stretch of the imagination.


LMAO! As if you've spent any significant time overseas. If you had you'd realize DocL was right. I've been overseas more than I have been home since late 1999. Traveling as an American in 2002 - 2005 was horrible. You hid every moment of it. I watched protest march, after protest march, from 2002 to 2004 against GW Bush. But given your posting history I doubt you even own a passport, much less one with more than a Mexican holiday resort entry stamp in it.
 
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DocLightning wrote:
I was in New Zealand that day. Until then, for much of my adult life Bush II had been President and when traveling abroad (which I did a lot in my 20s) I did not wear anything that would identify me as American. I was afraid of violence but I was also ashamed of my country's international image.


This isn't, nor was it, rational behavior by any stretch of the imagination.


Oh, it was quite rational. Americans were targets.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:40 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
Old white dirtbag claims America is a flaming dump that he wants to "make great again" = patriot!

Black woman says she's proud of a country making a comeback = communist sympathizer that needs to be drawn and quartered.


Damn. You nailed that...but Dreadnought will never see this double standard.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:43 pm

This thread is beyond ridiculous...

How many threads do we need to rehash the same damn Sh** over and over again.

The speech doesn't mean sh**. Its a distraction for media attention, bottom line end thread.

PacificBeach88 wrote:
LMAO! As if you've spent any significant time overseas. If you had you'd realize DocL was right. I've been overseas more than I have been home since late 1999. Traveling as an American in 2002 - 2005 was horrible. You hid every moment of it. I watched protest march, after protest march, from 2002 to 2004 against GW Bush. But given your posting history I doubt you even own a passport, much less one with more than a Mexican holiday resort entry stamp in it.


I don't know where you were, but this sounds just silly and not even close to accurate where I traveled to during the Bush years (Asia/Europe). It is a huge stretch and generalization in many ways.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:46 pm

Boeing717200 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Boeing717200 wrote:

First of all, his son did no such thing and Malania's speech writer has spoken up. Second, I find it rather amusing you equate a convention speech with national security issues and then declare there is an integrity problem.

I bet you wonder why people don't take you seriously.


Technically, it was plagiarizing since he did not give credit

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/ ... ni-scandal

And, yes, so many righties scream about "integrity" when discussing Hillary. From her time as First Lady of Arkansas to this very second. If third wife and junior have so little integrity as to copy without credit (also known as stealing or plagiarizing) why can't people hold them to the same high standard? They are helping represent the Republican party. They should be held to the same impossibly high standards of integrity as you righties hold Democrats to.


LOL. US News. :lol:

Love this new ignore function. I can finally ignore the insanity.


I know: If it is not Fox or Breitbart, it is not real news....
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:44 am

Ken777 wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:
At least she actually likes her country, unlike Michelle


Spoken like a white Republican. My bet is that you didn't grow up black or had an awareness of the difficulties they went through over the generations. I can remember when there used to be two water fountains side by side - one marked White and one marked Colored. And that was the tip of the iceberg. There was nothing to be proud of in those days if you were not white and the African American community understands that.



Not my words above, they were from Dreadie. I have noticed it is easy to misquote on this site after redesign. Takes getting used to.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:51 am

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Oh, it was quite rational. Americans were targets.


And when your number is up, it's up. Your suggested fear is not rational. If it were you wouldn't have traveled.

BTW...that must have been some bad ass Obama T-Shirt for it to have all those magical powers.

PacificBeach88 wrote:
LMAO! As if you've spent any significant time overseas. If you had you'd realize DocL was right. I've been overseas more than I have been home since late 1999. Traveling as an American in 2002 - 2005 was horrible. You hid every moment of it. I watched protest march, after protest march, from 2002 to 2004 against GW Bush. But given your posting history I doubt you even own a passport, much less one with more than a Mexican holiday resort entry stamp in it.


LMAO indeed. Thank you for removing all doubt. Grow up.

I can't say I've ever seen anyone try to defend irrational comments by actually making one.

Osubuckeyes wrote:
This thread is beyond ridiculous...

I don't know where you were, but this sounds just silly and not even close to accurate where I traveled to during the Bush years (Asia/Europe). It is a huge stretch and generalization in many ways.


It's astonishing the s*** people will post on the Internet.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:01 am

Today the Trump camp admitted they lifted parts of Michelle's speech. Now if they did this on Tuesday it would of been done, but instead they denied it and blamed Clinton.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:50 am

dragon-wings wrote:
Today the Trump camp admitted they lifted parts of Michelle's speech. Now if they did this on Tuesday it would of been done, but instead they denied it and blamed Clinton.

...by blaming Meredith McIver, who in true Trump fashion, maybe probably does not exist. And she was also the "fall guy" when Donald was deposed for lying about his wealth.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:42 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
dragon-wings wrote:
Today the Trump camp admitted they lifted parts of Michelle's speech. Now if they did this on Tuesday it would of been done, but instead they denied it and blamed Clinton.

...by blaming Meredith McIver, who in true Trump fashion, maybe probably does not exist. And she was also the "fall guy" when Donald was deposed for lying about his wealth.


Suddenly, she exists. And she has a Twitter. It was created this morning. https://twitter.com/imeredithmciver

She's listed as a co-author on many Trump books. She's a registered Democrat.

If this is the way they handle a minor scandal, I can't wait to see how they handle a real one.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:00 am

I hope Meredith McIver got paid in cash up front for today's services.

Trump has kind of a reputation for stiffing people.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:32 am

salttee wrote:
I hope Meredith McIver got paid in cash up front for today's services.

Trump has kind of a reputation for stiffing people.

Roger Ailes does too! :-)
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:10 am

OK all first ladies want World Peace. What else is there to think until someone says something offensive. Some have pet causes. Eleanor Roosevelt was a Social Justice person. Lady Bird Johnson wanted to keep billboards out of the countryside. Hillary Clinton was interested in health care. Michelle Obama has taken on childhood nutrition. Not much there except for grumbling about lunches tasting like cardboard, which is really nothing new.

What is more amazing is that someone was obsessed enough to remember words from Michelle Obama's speech in 2008;. I didn't watch either speech and never voted on First Lady.

luckyone wrote:
On some level I still think Trump is trying to self-sabotage his campaign. He doesn't want the responsibility and the lack of freedom, or the paycut. The problem is he actually won, and didn't intend to.

I have thought that on several occasions, or maybe just doesn't want the job if he has to be careful what he says. More likely he is being blunt in a calculated way. His primary target has been other Republicans and it has brought forward Republican voters who were tired of the then-current Republican dogma.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:42 am

DocLightning wrote:

Suddenly, she exists. And she has a Twitter. It was created this morning. https://twitter.com/imeredithmciver

She's listed as a co-author on many Trump books. She's a registered Democrat.

If this is the way they handle a minor scandal, I can't wait to see how they handle a real one.


It's highly amusing to watch the campaign impload over a simple mis-step. But highly disturbing as well. GW Bush's admin was awful because it took them months or years to admit they were wrong. Can you imagine a Trump admin? They would start a war and allow thousands and thousands of Americans to die because they refuse to back down, or admit they made a mistake.
 
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Re: Did Melania Trump plagiarize Michelle Obama ?

Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:41 am

I popped over to Breitbart to see what the wing nut take on this whole thing was and they are currently up in arms over Ted Cruz's speech tonight. Darn near 1/3 of the comments are anti-Semitic to a degree it makes me physically ill. Additionally, Roger Stone, a Trump mouthpieces called Ted Cruz, a “dumb son of a bitch”. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... itch-hill/

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