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WarRI1
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Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:01 am

http://www.providencejournal.com/opinio ... tian-faith


An article which raises those questions.
 
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Re: Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:06 am

He's perfect for the christian right; he's everything they are: total conman that has never read the bible, born with all the privilege and power in the world yet still dumb as a box of hair and constantly playing the victim, pathologically unable to be decent or giving to anyone other than himself, beyond reproach, doesn't need forgiveness, only concerned with money or power, more concerned about appearance than substance, zero understanding of introspection, constantly pushing to limit others' rights while dragging his own imaginary cross....he is their annointed pied piper. But he sure is generous to any attorneys general investigating his latest scam!
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Re: Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:32 am

My question is: why did he do any of this?

Even disregarding the probability that half of the USA is disinclined from buying into Trump's brand; the effect it's having be having on his international projects has got to be even worse.

I mean, he's building hotels and golf courses in the world's largest Muslim country by population: Indonesia. And also the UAE, Turkey, and Azerbaijan-- all places with significant Islamic populations.

Does he believe that his antics won't affect those projects? Seems so.
I guess we'll see in time.

But just in the name of business, which he claims to be so proficient thereat, I don't understand why he's doing any of this at all.
 
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Re: Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:12 am

Max Q wrote:
Well said M11.


trump is simply the worlds biggest a**hole


Cheney, Rove, Bush, Cruz, Trump - will you guys on the left make up your goddamned minds already?
 
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Re: Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:13 am

I guess the healthcare nightmare the US is can even affect the children of billionaires... In France it would also be impossible to disown your children.

Anetters will enjoy the fact that Donald's father disowned one of his sons because he decided to be a pilot and marry a F/A.
 
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Re: Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:26 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
He's perfect for the christian right; he's everything they are: total conman that has never read the bible, born with all the privilege and power in the world yet still dumb as a box of hair and constantly playing the victim, pathologically unable to be decent or giving to anyone other than himself, beyond reproach, doesn't need forgiveness, only concerned with money or power, more concerned about appearance than substance, zero understanding of introspection, constantly pushing to limit others' rights while dragging his own imaginary cross....he is their annointed pied piper. But he sure is generous to any attorneys general investigating his latest scam!


Except he's clearly not dumb, he just doesn't give a damn.

Besides, who still thinks Christianity and other Abrahamic religions are about tolerance, love, sharing and other such nonsense? Hah, they are all violent, vile ideologies, any real Christian should be like Trump instead of being like Pope Francis or whatever.
 
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Re: Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:44 am

EA CO AS wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Well said M11.


trump is simply the worlds biggest a**hole


Cheney, Rove, Bush, Cruz, Trump - will you guys on the left make up your goddamned minds already?


It's tough to decide, since "you guys on the right" give us so many candidates to choose from. :D
 
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Re: Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:28 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
He's perfect for the christian right; he's everything they are: total conman that has never read the bible, born with all the privilege and power in the world yet still dumb as a box of hair and constantly playing the victim, pathologically unable to be decent or giving to anyone other than himself, beyond reproach, doesn't need forgiveness, only concerned with money or power, more concerned about appearance than substance, zero understanding of introspection, constantly pushing to limit others' rights while dragging his own imaginary cross....he is their annointed pied piper. But he sure is generous to any attorneys general investigating his latest scam!


That covers it nicely.

LAX772LR wrote:
Even disregarding the probability that half of the USA is disinclined from buying into Trump's brand; the effect it's having be having on his international projects has got to be even worse.


There's no such thing as bad publicity. Whereas Trump used to be a household name in the US before this little stunt, now almost everyone in the World knows him. You have to give it to him, he knows how to make himself known... And at barely no cost to him. On that aspect, I give him credit. But then vanity pretty much defines his entire existence.

EA CO AS wrote:
Cheney, Rove, Bush, Cruz, Trump - will you guys on the left make up your goddamned minds already?


They just keep getting worse with every passing year... It's not an easy crown to hold on to!
If anybody had told me, 10 years ago, that Bush junior wasn't really that bad compared to what would come later, I would have laughed at the very concept. Yet here we are...
Trump is much more dangerous than Cheney in the sense that he is just as devoid of any humanity, but unlike the Lord Sith himself, Trump actually has enough charisma to draw the crowds.
 
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Re: Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:55 am

If anybody had told me, 10 years ago, that Bush junior wasn't really that bad compared to what would come later, I would have laughed at the very concept. Yet here we are...


How exactly is Trump so far worse than Bush junior? I would say banning Muslims from entering the US is much less evil thing to do than starting a war that kills hundreds of thousands of Muslims and later results in rise of ISIS.

Get real.
 
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Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:48 pm

The article is obviously a very biased opinion piece. Sure it has some facts, but distorts the 'reason' for those facts. The article is a rehash that picks and chooses parts of a 2000 article in the New York Daily News.

During probate will fights within families - very nasty things happen. Quote often at the direction of the lawyers, not the participants in the fight.

Fred Jr. was not an active part of the family because he was an active alcoholic and died from complications of alcoholism some 18 before his father. Not because he was a pilot or married a flight attendant who soon divorced him, and who kept the children from being active in their grandparents lives.

Fred Sr. had provided medical insurance for family members with money from his business, not personal funds.

Fred Sr. did not disinherit his son's children. His will, first one executed in 1984 and another executed in 1991, provided the bulk of his estate to be divided equally among his four surviving children - approximately $20 million each. He provided a small portion of his estate to be divided equally among his surviving grandchildren approximately $200,000 each. A quite common provision. Heck, my father had a similar will when he died last year - and his estate was not enough to fill up Donald's B757 with fuel.

There were ample documents to show that Fred Sr. did not intend for Fred Jr.''s children to receive an equal share of his company/estate as his surviving children. He purposely set up two levels of inheritance - one for his surviving children and one for his grandchildren. All to be treated equally based on their blood relationship to Fred Sr.

The Trump company did instruct the insurance broker to ensure that all costs for the baby were paid no matter what the limits of the insurance plan. Some nine months later the children of Fred Jr. filed a law suit against the Trump estate, claiming that the will was invalid because Fred Sr. was 'suffering from dementia and did not understand the consequences of the will" (interestingly if the 1991 will was ruled invalid, they would have received less money under the 1984 will). They sued for a full 20% share of the money being divided 25% to each of the four surviving children.

In response, the Trump company - which was being sued - notified the family that medical insurance would be terminated in a little over two months. A judge ordered the payments to continue until the law suit was settled. Both actions again are completely normal.

The children of Fred Jr. apparently were not successful in their attempt to get the will overturned.

Maryanne, Elizabeth, Donald and Robert Trump agreed in the resolution of the case to continue to provide medical insurance coverage to the baby, and all other named descendants of Fred Trump Sr.

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Before anyone accuses me of being a Trump fanboy - I don't like, have never liked the overblown used car salesman. That is probably an insult to used car salesmen.

But it doesn't take but one page of a Google search to see the article is very biased, and leaves out a lot of details.

No, I don't think Donald is particularly religious - and I'm amazed at his support from the religious right because on many of the social issues the religious right opposes - Donald supports.

Donald doesn't support close to 2/3 of the Republican Party platform.

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For the OP - I've never heard anyone call Donald Trump 'Nice' or 'Generous'.

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William Trump is now 16 or 17 years old. His medical problems have been determined to be Cerebral Palsy. Apparently he is doing quite well given his condition.

Great uncle Donald provides help with charity fund raisers at his golf clubs for Cerebral Palsy and other financial support for William.
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Re: Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:50 pm

What I find funny is that a man that has never been seen going to church is the religious right's idol while it vilifies a man proven to have gone to church and calling him Muslim as well.
 
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Re: Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:40 pm

Francoflier wrote:
There's no such thing as bad publicity.

Would certainly disagree with that.

Trump has absolutely torpedoed his brand in the minds of many.
I'm one of them: I wouldn't have minded staying in a Trump property, but I couldn't support any business venture of his in good conscience, now.
 
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Re: Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:42 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Well said M11.


trump is simply the worlds biggest a**hole


Cheney, Rove, Bush, Cruz, Trump - will you guys on the left make up your goddamned minds already?


When the right stops making them worse and worse.
 
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Re: Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:46 pm

seb146 wrote:

When the right stops making them worse and worse.


Exactly. It's like someone demanding we rank in order Pol Pot, Goebbels, Hitler, Stalin, Cheney, Genghis, Cyrus, Napoleon, David Duke, and Trump. They are all equally disgusting. The only difference with Trump is, he hasn't been installed with the power of the state.....yet.
 
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Re: Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:16 pm

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Except he's clearly not dumb,

There is no evidence of that whatsoever. The man is essentially a trained lab rat, that knows when he presses the right button he gets the sugar treat, in the form of attention.
 
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Re: Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:38 pm

At some point we'll see his tax returns, and then the thread title will become fact. I have a feeling Trump hasn't paid taxes in a long, long time and uses his many businesses to funnel money around expressly for the purpose of accomplishing that feat. It may be a legal tactic but it's going to make him look like shit, especially once people see the number of failures, bankruptcies, and near total lack of any charitable giving. It might all come down to Assange getting a hold of the returns somehow. Snowden likely has the skill but his new puppet master in Moscow would never allow anything to hinder Donald's occupation of the White House.
 
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Re: Donald Trump, not so nice, or generous.

Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:43 am

Fred Sr. did not disinherit his son's children. His will, first one executed in 1984 and another executed in 1991, provided the bulk of his estate to be divided equally among his four surviving children - approximately $20 million each. He provided a small portion of his estate to be divided equally among his surviving grandchildren approximately $200,000 each. A quite common provision. Heck, my father had a similar will when he died last year - and his estate was not enough to fill up Donald's B757 with fuel.


Let me try to reason this out. My Grandfather leaves my Aunts and Uncles 20 million each. Presumably that twenty million would normally in most cases be partly or wholly passed on to those Aunts and Uncles children. My cousins share in the bounty eventually. Now my Father unfortunately died early, I was left 200 thousand. I am on my own with 200K. Now tell me again that Fred Sr. did not disinherit his son's children. Give me a break.

Now for coincidence, this very thing happened in my family many years ago. My Father passed away at a very early age, leaving 9 children, my Uncle had control of the estate and had my Grandfather write a new Will. We got nothing. My Father's name was Fred also. If I remember correctly the words were Fred and his Heirs forever are excluded. Trust me, there was no great amount of money, but there was property and money which benefited our cousins. Ever hear of Undue Influence? Fred Sr. left them a token amount to forestall legal action, also a very common practice to this day. My Uncle and Donald were and are both Pricks, trust me we never visited his grave. :( :o :shock:

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