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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:41 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
Now that Trump has done more apologizing, think we can get the Clintons to apologize for their treatment of woman? Would be more than fair to demand it.


That wasn't an apology. It was a sophomoric "well, the other guy did it, too!" response that a teenager put out when he gets caught.

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You ever lived where immigrants, legal or otherwise, occupy a large number of the population and have no desire to assimilate into your culture? Where I grew up is now that way. Where I live now is that way. Sorry if reality is hard to comprehend.


As, so we get to the heart of it. You can't stand those who aren't like you. I think perhaps you need to go into some detail there about why you hate them. Let me guess-they still speak in their language when they're with each other? They've brought their preferences for food, music and culture with them? Perhaps they don't worship the way you'd like?

You know what, what you're bitching about is nothing new under the sun. Immigrants have done that since we've had immigrants. I bet the Native Americans had the same gripe about the white folk who came streaming on to these shores. We have, all over this nation, places that are called "Little Italy", "Chinatown", and other such names where immigrants and the descendants of immigrants live, work and socialize, where they can still speak their native tongue, revel in their old-world cultures and foods, but still enjoy the freedom that comes with being an American. And you see that as a bad thing?

But you want to live in a world that does not change. You want everyone to seemingly be lily-white, speak Midwest English and act like you. But the world is changing. The demographic changes that we're gonig through right now were inevitable. When you have a billion people of another color and who speak different languages South of your border, this was always going to happen.

And that, my friend, is why you're so upset. You don't want change in a world where change is the norm.
 
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:44 pm

If only we could have someone on the White House with a sense of integrity...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... erson.html

MSPNWA wrote:

A country without borders isn't a country. A country without laws isn't a country. Anyone who's against enforcing the most basic immigration laws is un-American. PERIOD.

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Or maybe you just say to them - if you truly believe the U.S. should not enforce its immigration laws then it should not spend hundreds of millions of dollars or more manning immigration entry points either. Since this is an aviation website, after all, think of how much more efficient U.S. airports would be if you did not need to make a distinction between domestic and international terminals. If you truly believe the U.S. should not be allowed to select who comes into the country and who does not, put your money where your mouth is and go advocate for ICE and INS to be abolished - would certainly save some money that way.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:56 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
Yes. Mass round-ups of millions can be compared to Nazi Germany where the Gestapo were also enforcing their laws.

See above. Disgusting comparison.

If the deportation boot fits...

MSPNWA wrote:
lugie wrote:
"Fracture your culture"? Do you even listen to yourself talk every once in a while?


You ever lived where immigrants, legal or otherwise, occupy a large number of the population and have no desire to assimilate into your culture? Where I grew up is now that way. Where I live now is that way. Sorry if reality is hard to comprehend.

Well as your Trumpanzee friends like Tommi Lahren say, if you don't like it, then GTFO!
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:59 pm

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If only we could have someone on the White House with a sense of integrity...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... erson.html

Bill is still not running for president. You know who is though, *AND* is a good friend of Epstein? *AND* spent a lot of time on that plane? *AND* is being sued for child rape? Ya boy Trump! Look at you and all your integrity :lol:
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:07 pm

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Bill is still not running for president. You know who is though,

:


His surrogate?

Donald Trump is a disagreeable character, no doubt about it, but he is not, and has never been, powerful enough to ensure someone who rapes multiple underage girls gets away with a grand total of 13 months in jail and the docket sealed. You know who is, though?

And that is the reason why people hate the Clinton's power-broking.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:11 pm

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If only we could have someone on the White House with a sense of integrity.


We do currently, but the idiots on the right are too blinded by raced and partisan politics to see it.
 
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:13 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
See above. Disgusting comparison.


No, because I'm a Jew. The Holocaust has been drilled into my head from age 6. My great aunt and great-great aunt were both Survivors. My great-great aunt hid in a pile of bodies being trucked out of Treblinka. They told me exactly what it was like. They told me exactly what the political rhetoric was like.

It was like this. It was *EXACTLY* like this. The difference was the degree of public support. Germany was a much more homogenous society.

I will tell you what is a disgusting comparison to Nazi Germany. You, sir, are in no position to educate me on the matter.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:17 pm

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His surrogate?

Donald Trump is a disagreeable character, no doubt about it, but he is not, and has never been, powerful enough to ensure someone who rapes multiple underage girls gets away with a grand total of 13 months in jail and the docket sealed. You know who is, though?

And that is the reason why people hate the Clinton's power-broking.
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Uh, most people in the world would call her "his wife". :roll:

As for the second part, that was disproven years ago, but I guess you're of the belief that if you tell the lie enough, it somehow becomes the truth.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-f ... -about-it/

And you just hate them because you've been told to hate them for the last 30 years, and for no good reason. While Donald Trump runs a sham "charity", the Clinton Foundation does work all over the world to help the poor and disadvantaged, and is rated one of the best foundations of its types in the U.S.

Everything that you hate the Clinton's over are GOP lies, and nothing more. But you sop it up like a sponge on water.
 
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:21 pm

Even his running mate is offended.
From CNN
In a statement Saturday, Pence said he was "offended" by Trump's remarks.
"As a husband and father, I was offended by the words and actions described by Donald Trump in the 11-year-old video released yesterday," Pence said. "I do not condone his remarks and cannot defend them.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:24 pm

Pyrex wrote:
Donald Trump is a disagreeable character, no doubt about it, but he is not, and has never been, powerful enough to ensure someone who rapes multiple underage girls gets away with a grand total of 13 months in jail and the docket sealed. You know who is, though?

Oh ok got it: Clinton in the White House bad for integrity, Trump good as I watch you literally pick up the goal posts and move them to a different county. Now which dumbass conspiracy are you referring to re: raping underage girls?
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:30 pm

Hillis wrote:
Pyrex wrote:
His surrogate?

Donald Trump is a disagreeable character, no doubt about it, but he is not, and has never been, powerful enough to ensure someone who rapes multiple underage girls gets away with a grand total of 13 months in jail and the docket sealed. You know who is, though?

And that is the reason why people hate the Clinton's power-broking.
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Uh, most people in the world would call her "his wife". :roll:

As for the second part, that was disproven years ago, but I guess you're of the belief that if you tell the lie enough, it somehow becomes the truth.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-f ... -about-it/

Is that the one he's referring to? How stupid can you be...yes, everyone knows that 40 years ago a FEMALE court appointed lawyer in facking Arkansas had maniacal amounts of power, leverage, and connections to twist the justice system to get a grifter a reduced sentence. Even today everyone knows court appointed lawyers are just rakin' in the dough and power. All the power and corruption in the world and THAT is what you think HRC would do with it in 70s Arkansas? Jesus Christ.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:36 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:

Oh ok got it: Clinton in the White House bad for integrity, Trump good


I never said Trump was a good guy, but the tendency to engage in the cult of personality always seems to come from the left. That is the difference between the left and the right - the right knows that politics is a disagreeable business, and no person of integrity would ever choose to dedicate a life to it, so it tends to want to reduce the power of the government, and favors policies in that light. The left, on the other hand, completely oblivious to the nature of the human being, actually thinks that power can be harnessed for good, and tends to get their panties in a twist every time someone claims to be working for "hope and change", and to this day still worship Bill Clinton despite his many, many flaws.

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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:38 pm

Pyrex wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:

Oh ok got it: Clinton in the White House bad for integrity, Trump good


I never said Trump was a good guy, but the tendency to engage in the cult of personality always seems to come from the left. That is the difference between the left and the right - the right knows that politics is a disagreeable business, and no person of integrity would ever choose to dedicate a life to it, so it tends to want to reduce the power of the government, and favors policies in that light. The left, on the other hand, completely oblivious to the nature of the human being, actually thinks that power can be harnessed for good, and tends to get their panties in a twist every time someone claims to be working for "hope and change", and to this day still worship Bill Clinton despite his many, many flaws.

"It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job." - Douglas Adams


You talk about engaging in the cult of personality from the left while letting the master at the cult of personality, Mr. Trump himself, goes unscaathed by you? Good God, but you're just outta your mind.
 
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:50 pm

SOBHI51 wrote:
Even his running mate is offended.
From CNN
In a statement Saturday, Pence said he was "offended" by Trump's remarks.
"As a husband and father, I was offended by the words and actions described by Donald Trump in the 11-year-old video released yesterday," Pence said. "I do not condone his remarks and cannot defend them.


He is not offended with all the other Trumps remarks? Remarkable.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:51 pm

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I never said Trump was a good guy, but the tendency to engage in the cult of personality always seems to come from the left.

Uh...it's the right that wants to ram its cult down everyone's throat, making everyone believe in a poor Middle Eastern socialist while they do everything to be as ugly as humanly possible to Middle Easterners, socialists, and the poor.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:52 pm

Hillis wrote:
The man isn't qualified at any level to be President of the United States. That's been the view of many since he began this charade. But if you want to, quite literally, put the cherry on top, this is it:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/07/politics/ ... index.html

He is just a disgusting, lowlife dirtbag. Period.


No, actually this whole thing shows that Trump is very much a president American people deserve.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:00 pm

pvjin wrote:
Hillis wrote:
The man isn't qualified at any level to be President of the United States. That's been the view of many since he began this charade. But if you want to, quite literally, put the cherry on top, this is it:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/07/politics/ ... index.html

He is just a disgusting, lowlife dirtbag. Period.


No, actually this whole thing shows that Trump is very much a president American people deserve.

The American people or your idol Putin?
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:17 pm

pvjin wrote:
this whole thing shows that Trump is very much a president American people deserve.

You mean like how Russia deserved Stalin?
 
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:17 pm

Trump is now a dead horse. All those GAOP wives might tell their husbands they voted like they were told, but I can't see them voting for someone as totally offensive as Trump.

Sunday will be a historic debate with Trump only able to hang on to Bill Clinton's 20 year old past. Not a wise idea as the hits Bill took back then resulted in his being re-elected.

How many places are going to set up a pool for the date Trump quits?
 
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:24 pm

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Trump is now a dead horse

Trump has always been a dead horse in this presidential election. Those of us who believed that were right all along. The people who couldn't see what a sleaze he is, or who "thought America deserved him" were wrong all along.
 
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:25 pm

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Trump is now a dead horse. All those GAOP wives might tell their husbands they voted like they were told, but I can't see them voting for someone as totally offensive as Trump.

Sunday will be a historic debate with Trump only able to hang on to Bill Clinton's 20 year old past. Not a wise idea as the hits Bill took back then resulted in his being re-elected.

How many places are going to set up a pool for the date Trump quits?


I don't think it's really going to hurt him in the end. His comments about John McCain didn't hurt him and the GOP is supposedly the party that reveres veterans. Same thing with the Khan family. Having a twitter war with a former Miss Universe hasn't seem to hurt him. The list goes on. So why should this latest incident be the one that puts him under?
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:32 pm

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Ken777 wrote:
Trump is now a dead horse

Trump has always been a dead horse in this presidential election. Those of us who believed that were right all along. The people who couldn't see what a sleaze he is, or who "thought America deserved him" were wrong all along.


Is he? Don't the people whom wouldn't vote for him anyway, are the most upset. If so, this would mean that it doesn't matter.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:44 pm

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Is he? Don't the people whom wouldn't vote for him anyway, are the most upset. If so, this would mean that it doesn't matter.

This is just one of the straws on the camel's back. The people of whom very few will vote for him:

Asians
Blacks
Latins
Muslims
Jews
Women
People with an education.

I believe that a lot of people are mischievous and are skewing poll numbers by saying they will vote for Trump, when on election day they will cast their vote for anyone except Trump. It's a good way of sending a message without actually sinking the ship that they are on.

Trump is going to lose by the largest margin in US history.
 
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:54 pm

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Asians
Blacks
Latins
Muslims
Jews
Women
People with an education.

I believe that a lot of people are mischievous and are skewing poll numbers by saying they will vote for Trump, when on election day they will cast their vote for anyone except Trump. It's a good way of sending a message without actually sinking the ship that they are on.

Trump is going to lose by the largest margin in US history.


I wish I had your optimism. However fear, ignorance and bigotry are very powerful motivators and Trump is pandering to all three.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:20 pm

LMP737 wrote:
salttee wrote:
Asians
Blacks
Latins
Muslims
Jews
Women
People with an education.

I believe that a lot of people are mischievous and are skewing poll numbers by saying they will vote for Trump, when on election day they will cast their vote for anyone except Trump. It's a good way of sending a message without actually sinking the ship that they are on.

Trump is going to lose by the largest margin in US history.


I wish I had your optimism. However fear, ignorance and bigotry are very powerful motivators and Trump is pandering to all three.


Yes, he is pandering, but not all Americans hear the call of that ignorance and bigotry. Nowhere near a majority of Americans. I believe after the debate tomorrow night this is going to turn into an historic route. It won't be like LBJ over Goldwater, or Reagan over Mondale, but it won't be close.
 
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:21 pm

The strange thing to me is, why is anybody surprised that Trump said these things?

Why would it surprise anybody that a rich and powerful guy like him would try to "move" on a hot lady, even if she's married? Why would it surprise anyone that he knows his wealth and power allows him to get away with all kinds of things with the ladies, including grabbing their crotches? Who is surprised that he and Billy Bush ogled a hot young actress?

Even though he said these things in private, who finds it at all in conflict with his public persona?

It should have been clear to one and all long before this point that the man has no scruples, and this fits in with that perfectly.

And why are we even discussing Bill Clinton in this thread? He is a known horn dog, but he's not running for office.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:43 pm

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Yes, he is pandering, but not all Americans hear the call of that ignorance and bigotry. Nowhere near a majority of Americans. I believe after the debate tomorrow night this is going to turn into an historic route. It won't be like LBJ over Goldwater, or Reagan over Mondale, but it won't be close.


If he wins we will know otherwise. Or at the very least we will know a lot of Americans are willing to overlook it. Which is just as disturbing.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:43 pm

Trump's base is about one third of the Republican party - that's all the votes he'll get.
And the Republicans probably weren't going to win this time even if they had nominated someone a little more normal.
 
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:48 pm

On Sunday evening, there is this... debate.

Are the viewers allowed to throw objects at the candidates? I have some over-ripe tomatoes to discard.


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Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:50 pm

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The strange thing to me is, why is anybody surprised that Trump said these things?

Why would it surprise anybody that a rich and powerful guy like him would try to "move" on a hot lady, even if she's married? Why would it surprise anyone that he knows his wealth and power allows him to get away with all kinds of things with the ladies, including grabbing their crotches? Who is surprised that he and Billy Bush ogled a hot young actress?

1) Nobody should be surprised. What matters here is that we actually have a direct recording.

2) Being horny is not a crime. Having an extramarital affair is not a crime. Sexual assault is a crime. Moreover, it is immoral.

BTW, I've been sexually assaulted. I was a trained 26yo athlete and the guy wound up bruised around the same wrist that grabbed my crotch. But it gave me some real food for thought about what it must be like to be a 5'2" woman in the same situation. And oddly, nobody has ever asked me what I was wearing (stretchy muscle shirt) or whether I was drunk (I'd had three sips of my Manhattan at the time).

Even though he said these things in private, who finds it at all in conflict with his public persona?

It should have been clear to one and all long before this point that the man has no scruples, and this fits in with that perfectly.

And why are we even discussing Bill Clinton in this thread? He is a known horn dog, but he's not running for office.


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Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:04 pm

The American people or your idol Putin?


The American people. The American political system is broken and nothing good will happen no matter who is in the power, so Americans should vote for the option that offers best entertainment value. And that's clearly Trump.

Everybody bashes Trump, but tell me, what this boring old woman with surname Clinton can really offer? Yes, she might start a couple of new wars in Middle East to benefit American weapons businesses, but is that really such a good thing? Under Clinton the American middle class is guaranteed to continue its starvation, the youth will have to accept worse and worse jobs and racial tension will rise due to racist BLM agitators. Sounds like a miserable future to me.


You mean like how Russia deserved Stalin?


Russians didn't exactly get to vote back then.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:32 pm

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The American people or your idol Putin?


The American people. The American political system is broken and nothing good will happen no matter who is in the power, so Americans should vote for the option that offers best entertainment value. And that's clearly Trump.

Everybody bashes Trump, but tell me, what this boring old woman with surname Clinton can really offer? Yes, she might start a couple of new wars in Middle East to benefit American weapons businesses, but is that really such a good thing? Under Clinton the American middle class is guaranteed to continue its starvation, the youth will have to accept worse and worse jobs and racial tension will rise due to racist BLM agitators. Sounds like a miserable future to me.


You mean like how Russia deserved Stalin?


Russians didn't exactly get to vote back then.


Russians get to vote now, and all they do is vote in strong men. Maybe there's something in the Russian DNA where they would rather have someone think for them while they guzzle Vodka all day? Who knows, but the U.S. doesn't need to be lectured by Russia about the free vote. We've had it for 260 years. Russia can't claim that.

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Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:42 pm

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Everybody bashes Trump, but tell me, what this boring old woman with surname Clinton can really offer? Yes, she might start a couple of new wars in Middle East to benefit American weapons businesses, but is that really such a good thing?

She's going to start wars? Based on what evidence? Meanwhile, how many more countries are you Russians going to invade, babes? And you want to talk about middle class stagnation? Boy that's rich.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:48 pm

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I will tell you what is a disgusting comparison to Nazi Germany. You, sir, are in no position to educate me on the matter.

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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:52 pm

I missed out on this whole debacle watching Hurricane Matthew the past few days. No surprise here. Just the continuing avalanche of evidence that supports my hypothesis that Trump is not fit to be President. That there is this much evidence publicly available, makes you wonder what else is hidden in the wings.

It's not a pretty election by any means, but perhaps it is the wake up call we need in this country that our elected officials should not be so much about being bullies, but rather on being pragmatic, and dedicated to finding solutions across all citizens. The Republican party has abandoned that approach and gone with the harsh "my way or the highway" view that is espoused by right wing media these days.

The fact that trump no longer attacks "liberals" but also the very important fabric of the GOP big tent(women) shows that the GOP has lost it's ability to differentiate between governing and outlandish rhetoric.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:52 pm

I missed out on this whole debacle watching Hurricane Matthew the past few days. No surprise here. Just the continuing avalanche of evidence that supports my hypothesis that Trump is not fit to be President. That there is this much evidence publicly available, makes you wonder what else is hidden in the wings.

It's not a pretty election by any means, but perhaps it is the wake up call we need in this country that our elected officials should not be so much about being bullies, but rather on being pragmatic, and dedicated to finding solutions across all citizens. The Republican party has abandoned that approach and gone with the harsh "my way or the highway" view that is espoused by right wing media these days.

The fact that trump no longer attacks "liberals" but also the very important fabric of the GOP big tent(women) shows that the GOP has lost it's ability to differentiate between governing and outlandish rhetoric.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:03 pm

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Maybe there's something in the Russian DNA where they would rather have someone think for them

They've never known anything different; they've always been ruled by dictators, from the times of the Mongol warriors and a bit later the invading Rus who threw out the Mongols and eventually gave the people Ivan the terrible - who named Russia and provided the name of its ruler: "Czar." Then came Stalin almost 400 years later. I suppose " in the Russian DNA" is as good way to put it as any other.
 
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:06 pm

Ken777 wrote:
Sunday will be a historic debate with Trump only able to hang on to Bill Clinton's 20 year old past.

....all while admonishing us to not talk about his 11yr old past. :roll:
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:14 pm

Russians get to vote now, and all they do is vote in strong men. Maybe there's something in the Russian DNA where they would rather have someone think for them while they guzzle Vodka all day? Who knows, but the U.S. doesn't need to be lectured by Russia about the free vote. We've had it for 260 years. Russia can't claim that.


With same logic we can wonder whether there's something in American genetics that makes them totally ignorant of rest of the world, and if something in African American genes in particular makes them more likely to become criminal.

Or maybe it has something to do with history, culture and socioeconomic reasons instead?

In any case, at least Russians vote somebody who actually thinks for them. You Americans have a good track record of electing people like George W Bush whose capability of intelligent thought is highly questionable. Or maybe it's just that they don't give a damn about American people, sometimes it's hard to know the difference between incompetence and corruption.

She's going to start wars? Based on what evidence? Meanwhile, how many more countries are you Russians going to invade, babes? And you want to talk about middle class stagnation? Boy that's rich.


She has been very supportive towards many previous wars or smaller conflicts started / made worse by the US, so I think it's reasonable she will do that also int he future. Oh btw, newly leaked wikileaks documents show that Clinton indeed doesn't give a rat's ass about American middle class, or anybody else but her wall street overlords.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:21 pm

Hillis wrote:

You talk about engaging in the cult of personality from the left while letting the master at the cult of personality, Mr. Trump himself, goes unscaathed by you?


Actually, the masters of the cult of personality in he U.S., to this day, still are Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, who even somehow managed to get it extended to their wives despite none of them ever accomplishing anything in their lives. Compared to them, Donald Trump is a piker, his rallies notwithstanding (I think the majority of people voting for him will be holding their noses while they do it). I should have used the word "most", though, as I do admit there is a bit of a cult of personality around Ronald Reagan as well, which frankly troubles me (although that cult is nowhere near the point of having people jizz their pants all over social media every time he took a bite at an apple or danced with his wife, so that is something).
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:29 pm

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She has been very supportive towards many previous wars or smaller conflicts started / made worse by the US, so I think it's reasonable she will do that also int he future.

So no evidence. Gotcha.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:04 pm

pvjin wrote:
With same logic we can wonder whether there's something in American genetics that makes them totally ignorant of rest of the world, and if something in African American genes in particular makes them more likely to become criminal.


You mean, like the Russian mafia? Ah, I get it.

You've been reading too much Breitbart or FOX, or listening to Hannity or Limbaugh, I'd wager. They, like you, and like Trump and his supporters, think all minorities are criminals. Trump has said as much about Mexicans, no? Yet we have an African-American president; we have had an African-American Secretary of State and National Security advisor in Colin Powell and Condi Rice. So those pout holes in your little racist theories, don't they?


pvjin wrote:
Or maybe it has something to do with history, culture and socioeconomic reasons instead?


On that, you are more right than you know. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation. Yes, that has a lot to do with why the African-American has been left behind in so many places. If you're looking for me to say my nation is perfect, you're looking in the wrong place. We've had our share of sins, just like all nations do. I'm sure we could name a few that involve Russia over the centuries. But that's for another day.



pvjin wrote:
In any case, at least Russians vote somebody who actually thinks for them. You Americans have a good track record of electing people like George W Bush whose capability of intelligent thought is highly questionable. Or maybe it's just that they don't give a damn about American people, sometimes it's hard to know the difference between incompetence and corruption.


How many elections has Russia REALLY had to pick a leader? Truly? We've had over 50. You win some, you lose some. The American people have elected louts like W Bush, Richard Nixon, James Buchanan and Herbert Hoover. We've also elected men who were very good men, but who should probably not have been president, like Ulysses S. Grant and Jimmy Carter. But we've also elected men who have changed the course of history, not even for just this nation, but the world as well. Men like George Washington, who set the preceident of leaving power peacefully when his time was up. Men like Abraham Lincoln, who helped America more closely redefine itself with the words "All men are created equal", and men like Franklin Roosevelt who from a wheelchair guided the U.S. through two of the greatest crisis' ever to face this nation, in the Great Depression and World War II.

And most Americans don't want a dictator to make all our decision. We make many of them by electing Presidents, Senators, members of the House, Governors, state legislators, school boards and a host of other posts. We don't abdicate our own common sense in the hands of a dictator who will tell us what we will do for a living, or how we will live. We're too independent for that. One reason, in my view, Russia has never fully realized her potential is thier citizenry are too lazy to get off their asses and take the future into their own hands. It's why Russia is in many way, a second-rate nation.

Russia has some innate strengths, but the ability of their people to want to chart their own destiny isn't one of them.
 
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:07 pm

John McCain finally jumping off the Trump train:

https://www.facebook.com/johnmccain/pos ... 2563358707
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:14 pm

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1. Absolutely. Any American citizen should be willing to make the tough choice if it's the right thing (that child isn't just "left alone" by its parents, you can be sure of that). They broke the law. There MUST to be consequences for doing so. A country without borders isn't a country. A country without laws isn't a country. Anyone who's against enforcing the most basic immigration laws is un-American. PERIOD.
Except your party pretty much agreed with Democrats on a reform to the system, allowing those already in a chance to remain (especially if they have children who are already US citizens).

Build the wall? Ever heard of airplanes? Most of the illegals are not people who cross the border by land or tunnel underneath, but those who come under a visa and stay.

MSPNWA wrote:
2. That's an irrelevant "problem", but it would not be impossible to clear that hurdle. You know, the same party who thinks government has a solution for everything suddenly believes there's no solution when it comes to enforcing immigration. And besides, it would not single out one culture, and it would not punish those that followed the basic immigration laws that every country has. Even the lawbreakers would get treated respectfully. I can get pulled over and checked for minor offenses, or just suspicion of offenses, on the road. And funny, I have to provide a legal right to operate a motor vehicle. That's a far cry from being allowed to lawfully occupy a country, and yet I have to prove my right. Yet we can't check citizenship because it might hurt someone's feelings? Ridiculous! Again, there is simply no comparison. It's disgusting that you're even trying to justify that comparison.

There's your White privilege showing. Must be nice to walk down a street and know that a cop is not going to suspect you of anything.

I, on the other hand, am terrified to a certain extent. I am a natural born US citizen. If I'm with a group of Puerto Ricans, how is an agent supposed to know that? Oh, show my papers once? OK...could be a mistake and a cop is simply following the book. When other cops do it, when I get weird looks from people accusing me of being illegal, that's where the problem is no longer "irrelevant". To you, maybe. You're assumed to be a citizen. Not me. And for the record, ever since Trump became a candidate, I can only gasp at how many stories I've read about legal Hispanics (as in Latinos born in the US) being told to go back to Mexico by people who don't know better. You want to know what I fear? Not the government because once I prove to a cop that I'm a citizen, by logic they should back off. I fear a gun loving kook who, under the belief that they'd be doing their country a favor, goes ahead and shoots me and then says that I posed a threat.

Funny how you also mention that lawbreakers get treated respectfully. I guess that's why police shoot Blacks while Whites get let off (again White privilege at its finest).

Finally, if you're driving a motor vehicle, you're assumed to have proper paperwork so as long as you're not caught speeding or running a red light/stop sign, etc., there's no reason for a cop to stop you. IF you do any of these, then yes, the burden is on you to show you have proper documentation. So you can drive without a driver's license or insurance. If you can keep a low profile, cops won't suspect you of anything. But the risk is high if something happened where you needed to show documents.

To compare this with checking citizenship is outrageous. It's not a matter of "hurting feelings". It's a matter of not living under fear from the government. While I have my documents in order, if you can walk down a street with pretty much no ID on you and not be interrogated, I have the right to that too.

And you still think that to "round up and deport" is not akin to Nazi Germany? They won't be killed because even Trump is not that heartless and I doubt anyone is willing to say so out loud, but if they're pretty much content with saying that it's OK to kill gays, what's to stop someone from saying that it's OK to kill illegals?
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:22 pm

You've been reading too much Breitbart or FOX, or listening to Hannity or Limbaugh, I'd wager. They, like you, and like Trump and his supporters, think all minorities are criminals. Trump has said as much about Mexicans, no? Yet we have an African-American president; we have had an African-American Secretary of State and National Security advisor in Colin Powell and Condi Rice. So those pout holes in your little racist theories, don't they?


Statistics show that African Americans do commit a disproportionate amount of crime. Really it has nothing to do with race, but I would like to remind that this "theory" is no more racist than claiming that Russians drink vodka and vote for strong rulers because of their genetics.

And most Americans don't want a dictator to make all our decision. We make many of them by electing Presidents, Senators, members of the House, Governors, state legislators, school boards and a host of other posts. We don't abdicate our own common sense in the hands of a dictator who will tell us what we will do for a living, or how we will live. We're too independent for that. One reason, in my view, Russia has never fully realized her potential is thier citizenry are too lazy to get off their asses and take the future into their own hands. It's why Russia is in many way, a second-rate nation.


The American system has certainly been good at creating wealth, which in turn has created power and military might. It has also resulted in rather high level of freedom of speech compared to rest of the world. Yet I'm not confident at all that any of this will remain if Americans keep electing people like Clinton into power, people with no other values than money.

You know, voting isn't exactly what I would see as "taking one's future into his/her own hands" anyway. Voting mattered more back when the big global business elite didn't rule the world as much as they do now. It's painfully evident in my country too, every party promising BS that they never deliver no matter if they are left, right or center on ideological spectrum. In these kinds of circumstances why should I care about democracy when it clearly does not deliver any hope of a better future for me, or any other members of the youth who are getting an uni degree only to find out it has no value whatsoever in the employment market where most middle-class jobs are gone, and low paid work, or even de facto slave labour is the way to go?

If the economy goes to hell and living conditions suck I want something else to give me national pride, something like Russian militarism and patriotism under Putin, or Trump's American patriotism.
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:31 pm

pvjin wrote:
I would like to remind that this "theory" is no more racist than claiming that Russians drink vodka and vote for strong rulers because of their genetics.

It was pretty obvious that Hillis was using DNA as a metaphor. You're barking up the wrong tree with this argument.
 
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:27 pm

Latest News:

On a new batch of recordings from Howard Stern’s radio shows aired Saturday by CNN, Trump said he would “have no problem” having sex with 24-year-olds, that he “couldn’t care less” if he satisfies the women he sleeps with, that “it’s checkout time” once women reach the age of 35 and that he had engaged in three-way sex.

“Haven’t we all?” Trump told Stern on his SiriusXM satellite show in 2008. “Are we babies?”

Trump also described barging in on nude Miss Universe beauty pageant contestants in their dressing room, characterizing his visits as inspections by the contest’s owner.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
 
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:55 pm

DocLightning wrote:
MSPNWA wrote:
See above. Disgusting comparison.


No, because I'm a Jew. The Holocaust has been drilled into my head from age 6. My great aunt and great-great aunt were both Survivors. My great-great aunt hid in a pile of bodies being trucked out of Treblinka. They told me exactly what it was like. They told me exactly what the political rhetoric was like.

It was like this. It was *EXACTLY* like this. The difference was the degree of public support. Germany was a much more homogenous society.

I will tell you what is a disgusting comparison to Nazi Germany. You, sir, are in no position to educate me on the matter.


Just to echo Doc on this, spend a few minutes, find someone who lived through the holocaust and talk to them, it may open your eyes a little to how close the rhetoric is.

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SOBHI51 wrote:
Even his running mate is offended.
From CNN
In a statement Saturday, Pence said he was "offended" by Trump's remarks.
"As a husband and father, I was offended by the words and actions described by Donald Trump in the 11-year-old video released yesterday," Pence said. "I do not condone his remarks and cannot defend them.


He is not offended with all the other Trumps remarks? Remarkable.


He was, but only when Kaine spoke the words.

pvjin wrote:
No, actually this whole thing shows that Trump is very much a president American people deserve.


I was waiting for you to show up, can a simple go f^^k yourself cover this ?


pvjin wrote:
With same logic we can wonder whether there's something in American genetics that makes them totally ignorant of rest of the world, and if something in African American genes in particular makes them more likely to become criminal.

Or maybe it has something to do with history, culture and socioeconomic reasons instead?




Where as the Russian people prefer their lunatics to be of the more homicidal kind.

pvjin wrote:

In any case, at least Russians vote somebody who actually thinks for them. You Americans have a good track record of electing people like George W Bush whose capability of intelligent thought is highly questionable. Or maybe it's just that they don't give a damn about American people, sometimes it's hard to know the difference between incompetence and corruption.




So what you are saying is that it is a good thing the Russian people voted in a master for them so they can be good little sheep ?

If you want to see corruption, take a look at Russia, the way the USSR's industries were split among the Putin cronies who became instant billionaires should tell you something.
 
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:14 am

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seb146 wrote:
BILL IS NOT RUNNING FOR OFFICE!!!


Doesn't matter. What we know that Hillary was a key enabler of Bill's sexual behavior. And second, anyone saying that Trump's behavior someone how doesn't "qualify" him (as arbitrary as that is), is a hypocrite if they believe that Bill (and subsequently Hillary) Clinton are.

I find Trump's comments to be awful. They shouldn't ever be said. But they don't give the green light to hypocrisy.


I get it:

When Republicans do it, we should just look the other way because it is no big deal but when Democrats do it, we should have endless, needless investigations and demonization. I get it. The country has to give Trump a pass because Bill Clinton. Even though Bill Clinton is not running.

The other thing I have yet to have explained to me is why the "sanctity of marriage" crowd is so adamant about Trump? I mean, he has four kids by three different women, cheated on all of the wives, yet thinks the woman married to one man all her life is the worst family values candidate ever? How does that work?
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Re: Trump At His Most Disgusting

Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:29 am

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You have also made my point, no one as I have long advocated along with Hillary should have to work 12 hours a day to survive in this country.


I don't "have to work 12 hours a day to survive". I also don't live in the US ("this country"). I live in Australia, where the wages are much higher, and I'm guessing that more people are satisfied at work because the conditions are quite good. I will be able to retire by age 39, but I will probably work until 45 or so because I enjoy my job - especially the pay & conditions - such as 9 weeks annual leave, 4 weeks in sickies a year, generous allowances, and great shift penalty rates (my 12 hour shift Saturday (yesterday) got paid at double time, triple time for today being Sunday!). Also, I usually work three x 12 hours shifts one week, followed by four x 12 hours shifts the following week, and repeat, with optional overtime available and in popular demand. I work for a Government department, so I suspect the pay, conditions and benefits are slightly more than in the private sector for a similar role, but generally things at work are good here - much better than in the US - hence why I choose to work here. I just wanted to clarify since you have appeared to interpret and give your own meaning to me saying "I have to go to work for 12 hours now" to make it sound like I need to / must work 12 hours a day, every day, just in order to put food on the table. I understand that is common in the USA, but we are lucky here in Australia.
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