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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:50 pm

Wellington is now cut off due to severe weather. Woo! Auckland can be the de facto capital for now.

OA412 wrote:
coolian2 wrote:
I realise nobody cares. Um...

It's bad. Really scary. Tsunami has been generated, and we have 500 miles of aftershocks over magnitude 5.0.

I've never been this scared before.

I care. Stay safe. I experienced several earthquakes growing up in Southern California. There's really no getting used to them. Getting under a desk or door frame really is good advice.
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I have hit my head on the headboard far too often.


Was that due to the earthquake..or....other things?

And Doc beat me to it. Shocked, just shocked. :rotfl:


I've got the deadlock on my doors that go direct from my room to a rather large parking area unlatched but closed. If I'm concerned enough I can get to a safe place really easily.

I should have seen the punchline coming a mile off and call it myself :lol:
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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:53 pm

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And Doc beat me to it. Shocked, just shocked. :rotfl:


Bish, pleeze. It's me. :mrgreen:
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Wellington is now cut off due to severe weather.


Jeez. Can't catch a break.
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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:42 am

http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/strande ... 2016111510

So New Zealand. Huge ongoing earthquakes, a capital city you can't get to, billions of dollars to repair.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE COWS
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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:10 am

DocLightning wrote:
coolian2 wrote:
I have hit my head on the headboard far too often.


Was that due to the earthquake..or....other things? :twisted: :angel:
Cadet985 wrote:
Your parents' reaction surprises me; the quake was so intense and at a relatively shallow depth that I'd just assumed the whole country shook.


A few years back, we had a 4.3 about a mile from my office. Hardly a 7.8 but enough to give the building a good shake and rattle all the cupboards. I happened to be standing in an exam room with my patient and my medical student when it happened.

The patient (seated) and I (standing) both said: "Woah! Did you feel that?" My medical student (standing not half meter from me) said, "feel what?" It's amazing how different people can have completely different experiences in an earthquake even when they are very close to each-other.



Back in 2011 when I was stuck in bed with my broken ankle, I noticed the TV start to sway one day. In back of my house is a trucking company - nope, that's never caused the TV to sway. At the end of my street is a CSX track - again, never caused my TV to sway. I called into my dad to ask if he felt something. He said no. I go on Facebook and post three words - "What was that?" Within a couple minutes, friends from NYC to DC were commenting. That was "The Great Earthquake of 2011."

I was also seeing my friends from California making fun of people here rushing out of high rises on TV/the Internet. I had to remind them that unlike LA, SF, etc., the east coast wasn't designed for earthquakes - despite many "inactive" faults that run through the area, and not one building that I know of on this coast is even earthquake resistant.

But I digress - I'm just glad that it looks like the loss of life is nowhere near what it could have been. The latest number I'm hearing is 2.

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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:25 am

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So New Zealand. Huge ongoing earthquakes, a capital city you can't get to, billions of dollars to repair.

Well take care of yourself. Good time to own a 4 wheel drive, you do not need roads. Bridges may be an issue.

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BUT WHAT ABOUT THE COWS

The Global warmers are already at war with the NZ cattle and dairy industry.
They will probably tie Tectonic Plate Shifts to the cows methane soon enough.

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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:36 am

2005 wants your global warming take back.

The big issue with our dairy industry is the way they're polluting our rivers completely unchecked.
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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:57 am

I too felt them from here in Auckland. Not much (I thought it was me losing my marbles), but certainly noticeable for those who were awake. It's a bit frightening to think that the source was ~690kms away.

coolian2 wrote:

But this is well and truly hitting Wellington. Auckland can feel it,

I'm amazed at how much damage Wellington has suffered from this. Shows how stupid it is that we have our capital located on difficult terrain on a massive fault line. It's just asking for trouble really.

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As an interesting visual, both humorous and "wow" check out this image of some cows that became stranded when the land around them subsided during the quake:

Good news; they've been rescued!
http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/peta-ca ... 2016111521

OA412 wrote:
There's really no getting used to them. Getting under a desk or door frame really is good advice.

Instinctively you want to run outside, but you also want to stay well away from the windows incase they explode and you get a face full of sharp glass. Especially if its older, non strengthened/smashproof glass.

coolian2 wrote:
Wellington is now cut off due to severe weather. Woo! Auckland can be the de facto capital for now.

No thanks. Auckland is full; the last thing we need is an influx of 80,000 politicians and bureaucrats.

coolian2 wrote:
Wellington is now cut off due to severe weather.

Given that the motorway Johnsonville-Porirua and Johnsonville-Lower Hutt floods anytime there's a more significant weather event than a light drizzle or a high tide, you have to worry what's going to happen when the big quake hits. Or a tsunami or properly big storm surge.

coolian2 wrote:
So New Zealand. Huge ongoing earthquakes, a capital city you can't get to, billions of dollars to repair.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE COWS

Herefords are nice animals. Except for the bulls, sometimes.

coolian2 wrote:
The big issue with our dairy industry is the way they're polluting our rivers completely unchecked.

Legislation is forcing farmers to fence off waterways, which will go a long way to addressing this problem. I'm not sure what can be done about the methane issue, other than people eating less red meat. Since my parents have a large beef farm, I'm hoping that this doesn't happen. ;)
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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:48 pm

I'm the biggest leftie, but give me some steak! Just stop shitting in the rivers.
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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:49 pm

I got chased by a seal at Ohau. I hope that little prick got it's comeuppance.
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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:18 pm

coolian2 wrote:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/stranded-quake-cows-rescued-2016111510

So New Zealand. Huge ongoing earthquakes, a capital city you can't get to, billions of dollars to repair.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE COWS


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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:17 am

zkojq wrote:
I too felt them from here in Auckland. Not much (I thought it was me losing my marbles), but certainly noticeable for those who were awake. It's a bit frightening to think that the source was ~690kms away.
coolian2 wrote:
But this is well and truly hitting Wellington. Auckland can feel it,

I'm amazed at how much damage Wellington has suffered from this. Shows how stupid it is that we have our capital located on difficult terrain on a massive fault line. It's just asking for trouble really.

Tugger wrote:
As an interesting visual, both humorous and "wow" check out this image of some cows that became stranded when the land around them subsided during the quake.

Good news; they've been rescued!
http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/peta-ca ... 2016111521

OA412 wrote:
There's really no getting used to them. Getting under a desk or door frame really is good advice.

Instinctively you want to run outside, but you also want to stay well away from the windows in case they explode and you get a face full of sharp glass. Especially if its older, non strengthened/smashproof glass.

coolian2 wrote:
Wellington is now cut off due to severe weather. Woo! Auckland can be the de facto capital for now.


No thanks. Auckland is full; the last thing we need is an influx of 80,000 politicians and bureaucrats.

coolian2 wrote:
Wellington is now cut off due to severe weather.


Given that the motorway Johnsonville-Porirua and Johnsonville-Lower Hutt floods anytime there's a more significant weather event than a light drizzle or a high tide, you have to worry what's going to happen when the big quake hits. Or a tsunami or properly big storm surge.

coolian2 wrote:
So New Zealand. Huge ongoing earthquakes, a capital city you can't get to, billions of dollars to repair.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE COWS

Herefords are nice animals. Except for the bulls, sometimes.


Thinking of our Tasman friends (again) at this time. :frown: Way too many earthquakes happening there in recent years. I've got family and friends over there at mo, haven't heard a thing.

I am suprised the earthquake is not receiving more media coverage here (in Australia). I was off the grid (offline) when it occured, but I would have thought there would be more coverage in the days after.
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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:23 am

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If they had fallen do you suppose the farmer would have been crying over spilled milk?

You never cry over spilled milk. That just makes it salty for the cat.

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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:32 am

Thank you everyone for your kind messages.

A bit of an update: Now over 1500 quakes with many 5 or 6 or greater.
Damage is mostly restricted to Kaikoura (famous tourist spot for whale watching) and the capital city - Wellington.
Kaikoura thankfully is sparely populated with mostly small single level buildings - people are being evacuated from there as needed. There have been 2 fatalities (1 heart attack the other in a house collapse).
The main damage is to the road and rail network. This area is an important transport link between the North Island and the rest of the South Island (particularly Christchurch, Dunedin etc).
Damage is estimated to be around $2B (mostly to the roads and rail) - it would have been higher if it had hit elsewhere but as mentioned sparsely populated.
Wellington is however facing serious damage to 2 reasonably large office buildings (including the Defence Force HQ) and ongoing disruption due to aftershocks - they have also been dealing with flash flooding from a large storm that came through.
The USN, RCN, RAN have each redeployed ships that were going to be in Auckland for the RNZN 75th anniversary celebrations to assist along with 3 ships from the RNZN. The helicopters from those ships are the main assistance being provided.
Provided the aftershocks die down without causing too much more damage then everything should be back to normal within 6 months with the exception of State Highway 1 and the Rail line both of which will take a lot longer to fully repair (talk is that they may need to be rerouted away from the coast in places).
As coolian2 said the main quake was felt over almost the entire country (the whole South Island and all the way up to Auckland in the North Island (which is a distance of around 1600km/1000mi - comparable with Hamburg to Venice or NY to FL, or Seattle - LA).
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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:59 am

Has officially been upgraded from a 7.5 to a 7.8 magnitude quake. This means it is nearly 3x more powerful than previously thought.
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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:52 am

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Wellington is however facing serious damage to 2 reasonably large office buildings (including the Defence Force HQ) and ongoing disruption due to aftershocks - they have also been dealing with flash flooding from a large storm that came through.

What's particularly concerning is that the Statistics New Zealand building in Wellington has partially collapsed internally. This is a building that is ~10 years old and which was designed/built to a modern earthquake code. Someone must have screwed up really bad. The CTV Building collapse has shown how deadly non-quake proof buildings can be, so I hope some answers are found as to why Statistics New Zealand House was not up to scratch.


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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... d=11748260


coolian2 wrote:
I got chased by a seal at Ohau. I hope that little prick got it's comeuppance.

:rotfl:
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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:57 pm

zkojq wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
Wellington is however facing serious damage to 2 reasonably large office buildings (including the Defence Force HQ) and ongoing disruption due to aftershocks - they have also been dealing with flash flooding from a large storm that came through.

What's particularly concerning is that the Statistics New Zealand building in Wellington has partially collapsed internally. This is a building that is ~10 years old and which was designed/built to a modern earthquake code. Someone must have screwed up really bad. The CTV Building collapse has shown how deadly non-quake proof buildings can be, so I hope some answers are found as to why Statistics New Zealand House was not up to scratch.


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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... d=11748260


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I got chased by a seal at Ohau. I hope that little prick got it's comeuppance.

:rotfl:

A couple of theories about the Stats building: 1) There has been a lot of cheap Chinese steel dumped on the NZ market over the past decade. Despite assurances that it is up to grade quite often it is not. The other is that it was poorly designed and constructed which of course would be very disappointing.
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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:07 pm

I am mildly to a lot concerned about the number of buildings that are going wrong in Wellington, especially given.....didn't the city do an audit and re inspection after the Feb 2011 shakes in Christchurch?
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Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:23 pm

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What's particularly concerning is that the Statistics New Zealand building in Wellington has partially collapsed internally.


What are the odds of that happening? :D
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Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:04 pm

Revelation wrote:
zkojq wrote:
What's particularly concerning is that the Statistics New Zealand building in Wellington has partially collapsed internally.


What are the odds of that happening? :D

I'll go check with...OH SHIT I got it.
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Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:04 pm

Revelation wrote:
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What's particularly concerning is that the Statistics New Zealand building in Wellington has partially collapsed internally.


What are the odds of that happening? :D

Required a separate post, I dunno. Do you want me to check with the odds the TAB had?
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Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:57 am

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Nice photo of supplies being helicoptered ashore. I believe that Canada has some CH-149 Cormorants doing similar work; I guess the first time that they've been in our skies? Quite lucky that this week there are lots of foreign naval vessels in our waters, here to celebrate the RNZN's 75th anniversary.


Zkpilot wrote:
A couple of theories about the Stats building: 1) There has been a lot of cheap Chinese steel dumped on the NZ market over the past decade. Despite assurances that it is up to grade quite often it is not. The other is that it was poorly designed and constructed which of course would be very disappointing.

One wonders how widespread the problem is.

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What's particularly concerning is that the Statistics New Zealand building in Wellington has partially collapsed internally.


What are the odds of that happening? :D

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Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:42 am

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One wonders how widespread the problem is.



The new convention center in Auckland is being built with Chinese steel, if it is a problem with the Chinese product I hope there is a rethink.
 
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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:30 am

Are there flights that are cancelled during the earthquake? I think that the airport was Christchurch.
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Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:25 pm

Demolition of high risk buildings in Wellington begins:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-eart ... -eathquake
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Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:05 pm

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Im in Auckland. Felt the first one.

Opened my doors, my couches to anyone who wants to talk or just escape uphill via Twitter. As a very amateur geologist, I know this might be the start of the bad one.


I'm in Northland, near Whangarei, and I never felt a thing. The first I knew of it was in the NZ Herald, a few minutes after it happened.

It's a fascinating situation. Kaikoura is effectively cut off from the world, the only access is by sea, but the wharf is dangerous because the seabed has risen, or by air, and tiny Sounds air immediately accounted service to Kaikoura from Blenheim and Christchurch.

The big problem is that State Highway 1 - to and through Kaikoura - is blocked by several massive landslides and they think it will take months - even years - to reopen it. The inland road is not so badly damaged, but only accessible by army vehicles in a convoy.

The worst point on SH1

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Some other photos here, including one with massive boulders scattered on the road liker a giant's marbles.

http://img.newstalkzb.co.nz/media/16667 ... scale=both

"Formidable job ahead for Kaikoura road repairers"

The good news is that the whales and the dolphins are back - eco-tourism is Kaikoura's lifeblood.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/8680 ... o-kaikoura

"Huge dolphin pod returns to Kaikoura "

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Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:53 am

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coolian2 wrote:
The big problem is that State Highway 1 - to and through Kaikoura - is blocked by several massive landslides and they think it will take months - even years - to reopen it. The inland road is not so badly damaged, but only accessible by army vehicles in a convoy.
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I am so glad that I didn't follow-through on my orginal New Zealand holiday plans with my dad for January. Was planning on hiring a car and doing a little father-son road trip around the south island. Just settled on spending time in NZ split between both Auckland and Queenstown and will not be driving at all.
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Re: Massive New Zealand Earthquakes

Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:15 am

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It's a fascinating situation. Kaikoura is effectively cut off from the world, the only access is by sea, but the wharf is dangerous because the seabed has risen, or by air, and tiny Sounds air immediately accounted service to Kaikoura from Blenheim and Christchurch.

The big problem is that State Highway 1 - to and through Kaikoura - is blocked by several massive landslides and they think it will take months - even years - to reopen it. The inland road is not so badly damaged, but only accessible by army vehicles in a convoy.


I have a granddaughter who is working/living in Kaikoura. She sent our family an email with numerous photos and details about what everyone is going through there. Some residents do have water service, but the water needs to be boiled before use. The sewer system is broken, so flush toilets, sinks and shower drains can't be used. Apparently enough chemical toilets have been brought in so that every house has one. A central sewage dump has been set up to handle that problem.

A field behind the place where our granddaughter has been staying is used as a helicopter landing area for bringing in supplies and for evacuations.

An army convoy was able to get in but can't get out due to landslides that occurred after it arrived. Many local roads are badly damaged.

She included a different view of the massive landslide that you showed, plus a somewhat smaller one on the other side of town.

They are starting to clean up damage and rebuild. The house my granddaughter lives in was not very badly damaged. Others were not so fortunate.
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