Veetwo wrote:Which candidate's positions and beliefs match the closest with yours?
Go with that one.
Aesma wrote:Veetwo wrote:Which candidate's positions and beliefs match the closest with yours?
Go with that one.
Technically none of them since it's the other camp's primary. I will have to pay 2€ and sign a paper saying I share the right's values. Right wingers are saying that people on the left that do this are corrupting the process. That signing this is lying. In truth when those values are laid out I agree with them, they're vague concepts like "freedom", I disagree with the policies, not the same thing.
Aesma wrote:My favorite candidate (who some in her camp are saying is left-wing) polls very low so voting for her is a waste.
Primaries are private things in France, and very new, the first similar one was held in 2011 by the socialists and radicals, the winner being François Hollande. At the time you had to pay 1€ to finance the primary, and also sign a paper saying you were left wing or something like that.
This euro was enough to finance both turns, with a turnout of 2,7 and 2,9 millions people. If you had voted in the first round, the second round was free.
The right wing is reproducing this concept, but you have to pay 2€ for each turn.
To be a candidate in the actual election you don't need a party or to win a primary, you need 500 support votes from "great electors", basically mayors (36000 mayors in France), so there will be between 8 and 16 candidates in April.
Pihero wrote:Hollande is not a great president but I tend to agree with what he's trying to do, going from old school socialism towards social liberalism.
The guy has had FIVE years to show what he was capable of. He had a great formula :"I, as President....bla Bla...."
The only progress we saw was the number of civil servants... we've seen a totally dysfunctional government with ministers leaving / arguing left-right-center-up and down... Ministers for foreign affairs and Europe were the fracking traitors who didn't even follow the party line for the Maastricht constitution referendum and allied themselves to the communist party (the most vocally strident opponents to the idea of a united Europe...)
That's when I burnt my socialist card... I hate people who claim to be for democracy and can't even abide by the results of the adherents' majority decision on their party's policy.
Aesma wrote:You should agree with me then that Nicolas Sarkozy shouldn't get a second chance.
Aesma wrote:"Les Républicains" party (new, ridiculous, name of the party)
Pihero wrote:I don't want this country to go the UK or US way.
Pihero wrote:If Sarkozy is chosen, so be it ... He'd been 50 000 feet above this president anyway.
I hope Juppé wins it : we need a man with a plan and a vision who doesn't fly visual, trying to ada pt his policy to the polls results... (...and look where it took him : the most ridiculed and at the same time hated head of state the Republic has ever known... and if he could keep it inside his trousers, we'd be better off...)
Aesma wrote:Hollande's effectiveness is lacking for sure, however on matters of integrity, he's still miles ahead of Sarkozy. Sarkozy has done illegal things, including to get elected, how is that ethical ? Sarkozy had no qualm about using police and secret services against political enemies, and messing with judicial matters on top of it. The fact he's still a contender is alarming, and in itself disqualifies the whole party.
zkojq wrote:It's times like this when one really wishes that Jacques Chirac could do another term in the Élysée. He is France's last great leader and knows a thing or two about how to crush the Le Pens.
Sarkozy would be a mistake..
Aesma wrote:Putin is already sabring the champagne I guess, he supports both Fillon and Le Pen.
Aesma wrote:Also I suspect most people don't really care about democracy. For example old retired people vote for us to work longer, never for them to get less money or pay more taxes. Thank you.
Aesma wrote:The left (my side) has not much of a candidate at the moment. There will be a primary early next year.
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