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US is no longer a full democracy, EIU warns

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US is no longer a full democracy, EIU warns

The U.S. has been demoted from a full democracy to a flawed democracy for the first time, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU).


Every year, the firm's Democracy Index provides a snapshot of global democracy by scoring countries on five categories: electoral process and pluralism; civil liberties; the functioning of government; political participation; and political culture. Nations are then classified under four types of governments: full democracy, flawed democracy, hybrid regime and authoritarian regime.



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http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/25/us-is-no ... warns.html
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:22 pm

Oh for goodness sake, what utter crap.

The USA is NOT a democracy, and it NEVER was.
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Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:37 pm

KLDC10 wrote:
Oh for goodness sake, what utter crap.
The USA is NOT a democracy, and it NEVER was.


So you chose to miss the point while clinging to a trivial technicality?
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:45 pm

salttee wrote:
KLDC10 wrote:
Oh for goodness sake, what utter crap.
The USA is NOT a democracy, and it NEVER was.


So you chose to miss the point while clinging to a trivial technicality?


But is the "point" you are meaning? The article states that this has been something endemic the USA for long time now:

However, Washington can't point fingers at President Donald Trump for the nation's downgrade.

"The U.S. has been teetering on the brink of becoming a flawed democracy for several years, and even if there had been no presidential election in 2016, its score would have slipped below 8.00," the report explained. Instead, dwindling trust in government, elected representatives and political parties is to blame.

"Trust in political institutions is an essential component of well-functioning democracies. Yet surveys by Pew, Gallup and other polling agencies have confirmed that public confidence in government has slumped to historic lows in the U.S. This has had a corrosive effect on the quality of democracy," the report found.


The USA is a Republic and has always had combative politics and an election process that intentionally keeps voters/citizens "one step away" from many aspects and specifically the election of the president. I don't like a report with the title/conclusion of this one, but I can understand why it is saying that.

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Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:46 pm

salttee wrote:
KLDC10 wrote:
Oh for goodness sake, what utter crap.
The USA is NOT a democracy, and it NEVER was.


So you chose to miss the point while clinging to a trivial technicality?


Not at all, according to that article, there are five categories used to judge the state of a "democracy". Most of them are subjective.

The article further describes a "Flawed Democracy" as follows:
A flawed democracy is a country with free elections but weighed down by weak governance, an underdeveloped political culture and low levels of political participation, according to the EIU. Other flawed democracies in 2016 included Japan, France, Singapore, South Korea and India, the report said.

That does not describe the United States. To be honest, it doesn't describe Japan, France or South Korea either.
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Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:56 pm

Tugger wrote:
But is the "point" you are meaning? The article states that this has been something endemic the USA for long time now:

"The U.S. has been demoted from a full democracy to a flawed democracy for the first time, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU)"
 
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Sounds about right to me.
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Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:01 pm

salttee wrote:
KLDC10 wrote:
Oh for goodness sake, what utter crap.
The USA is NOT a democracy, and it NEVER was.


So you chose to miss the point while clinging to a trivial technicality?


We have democratic principles, based on the free vote of the people. That is Democracy.

But we're getting to the point where we won't have it any longer. We have a political movement that is determined to strip the vote from more and more American citizens in order to keep their power. You have a POTUS who will use his phony "election fraud" nonsense to double down on stripping even more voters. You have a POTUS who is trying to silence all government agencies from corresponding with the American people. You have a POTUS who wants to hand-pick only those journalists who will only report what he wants to be at the White House. You have a political movement that wants to strip ethics oversight of themselves on both the state and federal level. You have a President quite literally ruling by decree (where is the outcry from Republicans on that now?). That political movement is also wanting to crack down on LGBTQ's, Muslims, and anyone who wants to peacefully protest government policy.

The nation is headed toward Fascism. The nation could well be headed to war, economic and militarily across the globe, as Trump stupidly is setting up confrontations with both Mexico and China, and wants to set one up with Iran. He has just asked for 20% tax on Mexican imports that will only start a trade war, with Mexico slapping an equal or higher tax on U.S. imports.

As I said, I'm not even sure there'll be a Presidential election in 2020, and even if there is, and this idiot loses, I think he wouldn't leave without a fight. The more that happens, the more I fear the only thing that can save a lot of Americans from being killed is the U.S. Military.
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:19 pm

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We have democratic principles, based on the free vote of the people. That is Democracy.

No, we have a Constitutional Republic with some democratic processes. We are not a democracy. Never have and hopefully never will, although many in this country want us to slide downhill in that direction. So any ranking of such is irrelevant and shows the ignorance towards American government.
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:33 pm

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Hillis wrote:
We have democratic principles, based on the free vote of the people. That is Democracy.

No, we have a Constitutional Republic with some democratic processes. We are not a democracy. Never have and hopefully never will, although many in this country want us to slide downhill in that direction. So any ranking of such is irrelevant and shows the ignorance towards American government.


Why do you see democracy as a negative thing ?
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:49 pm

Well, this year our constitutional republic is flawed. it might have something to do with gerrymandering, voter fraud, the popular vote not winning a election, CIA director getting involved six days prior to a election, fake news, Russia and wikileaks meddling and propaganda, and of course voter suppression.

anyway,for the purposes of indexing. these countries were considered a full democracy.

rated top to bottom

2016

1. Norway
2. Iceland
3. Sweden
4. New Zealand
5. Denmark
6. Canada
7. Ireland
8. Switzerland
9, Finland
10. Australia
11. Luxembourg
12. Netherlands
13. Germany
14. Austria
15. Malta
16. United Kingdom
17. Spain
18. Mauritius
19. Uruguay


flawed democracies.

20. Japan
21. United State of America
22. Italy
23. Cabo Verde
24. France
25. South Korea
26. Costa Rica
27. Botswana
28. Portugal
29. Israel
30. Estonia
31. Czech Republic
32. India
33. Taiwan
34. Chile


i'm sure we will fall into the authoritarian category next year if Trump keeps it up with his executive orders, and muslim registries.
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:08 pm

I believe oligarchy would be the best term to use.
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Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:51 pm

I read that participation is a criteria, 51% voter turnout is extremely low, in France for the (direct) presidential election it's around 80%.

France's official name is the French Republic. Politicians finish most public addresses by saying "Vive la République, Vive la France" or only "Vive la République". The République, what it means to be a Republican, is actually a common part of political platforms. Many political parties, groups in congress, etc., have the word in their name. Recently the right-wing party renamed itself "Les Républicains". Philosophers battle on the subject.

Yet, nobody in France would even understand if someone said our political system wasn't a democracy.

Apparently France dropped in this poll because of a lack of trust in politicians by the people. The lack of trust doesn't surprise me, but it's not exactly new.
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Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:17 am

KLDC10 wrote:
The USA is NOT a democracy, and it NEVER was.


It is commonly accepted that democracy consists of four key elements: a political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections; active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life; protection of the human rights of all citizens, and the rule of law, in which the laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens.

To what degree does the US not measure up to this standard? Do free elections not take place? Are there structural impediments that prevent citizens form nominating for public office or involvement in civil life? How are human rights defined and to what measure are they systematically denied? Do citizens not have redress through the court system if they believe that contracts have not been honoured or rights infringed?

The US may be a federal republic while Australia is a federal commonwealth with a constitutional monarchy, but you'd be hard pressed to find people seriously believing that Australia is not a democracy, simply because the four points above are enshrined in the constitution and our laws.

But I find the idea of a flawed democracy amusing, if the basis is simply that the public don't trust politicians. What sane person would? We elect them and we can replace them. That doesn't mean that we have to believe everything they say or that we expect them to honour every promise. To do so would be extremely naive. If you don't trust the guy across the road, why would you trust a career politician?
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Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:32 am

Fundamentally, all today's so-called "democracies" are flawed. The only true democracy is one where the principle employed is One Man One Vote (or woman of course).

No electoral colleges, choosing Prime Ministers by ballot of parties from MPs, nothing like that.

Before someone starts spouting off about Constitutions and the rest, it's a fundamental principle of a democracy that one person's opinion (via a vote) is no more or less important than any other citizen. The best we can ever hope for is to try and get as close to that as possible without completely fouling up the business of a nation.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:46 am

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Why do you see democracy as a negative thing ?


I don't hate the democratic processes. The problem is that the U.S. is so much more than a simple democracy. We've brainwashed a generation of Americans into thinking that's all we are. We're not. The important part is the Constitution that creates our republic. Many countries are democratic. None are as free, balanced, and sustainable by law as the U.S.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:35 am

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None are as free, balanced, and sustainable by law as the U.S.


So who's been brainwashed again?

Admit it. You don't like the idea of every citizen having equal say because a majority of Americans disagree with you, and that you see a portion of the American population as second-class citizens who should not have a say in picking the government... You are clinging to the dream of a neo-conservatist modern wild west which Trump is trying to establish thanks to a minority of voters and are trying to justify the legitimacy of his heinous and dangerous acts.

The constitution is an old document, written at a time before before most citizens had access to running water and electricity. It has been written on solid bases and amended a few times, but one can not expect to run a country for centuries based on the gospel of a patched up, outdated document.
Just as civilizations evolve, the principles that dictate how a society should be run evolves as well. The constitution did not prevent the election of a President who is not favored by a majority and who is about to cause hardship to a lot of his citizens. A minority of haves running the country at the expense of the welfare of a majority of have-less and have-not is not a democracy, it's a plutocracy.
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Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:48 am

The US never was a "full" democracy, and few countries are. It's a representative democracy in everything except the presidential election. The presidential election is an indirect democracy in the sense that your vote does not count in and of itself, and neither are the electoral college votes split among a state, especially by district.
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Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:54 am

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So who's been brainwashed again?


Name one! Name one that's more free. Name one that's lasted longer without collapsing or changing forms. Name one with more checks and balances of power.

It's sad to know you hate the backbone of America.
 
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MSPNWA wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
So who's been brainwashed again?


Name one! Name one that's more free. Name one that's lasted longer without collapsing or changing forms. Name one with more checks and balances of power.

It's sad to know you hate the backbone of America.


Well, just the Roman Republic lasted about 500 years didn't it, before historians agree there process of morphing into post-senatorial principate had been complete. I'm sure there are other examples out there, but the Roman Republic is the most obvious with the "closest" thing in the medieval or ancient world to what we today would call representative, citizen directed government.
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Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:44 am

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None are as free, balanced, and sustainable by law as the U.S.


According to the EIU there are democratic republics that are more free and balanced the the U.S.. By quite a margin.

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Well duh, the lobbyists control everything meaningful in terms of government.
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Mortyman wrote:
MSPNWA wrote:
Hillis wrote:
We have democratic principles, based on the free vote of the people. That is Democracy.

No, we have a Constitutional Republic with some democratic processes. We are not a democracy. Never have and hopefully never will, although many in this country want us to slide downhill in that direction. So any ranking of such is irrelevant and shows the ignorance towards American government.


Why do you see democracy as a negative thing ?


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Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:17 am

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Oh for goodness sake, what utter crap.

The USA is NOT a democracy, and it NEVER was.


Another thing they offshored to the detriment of everyone (else) on a global scale?

Currently the US seems to round the final corner to an
"Oligarchic Cleptocracy of the Rich"
like we see in Ukraine ( taht the US "Vorwerk" installation? )
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Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:50 am

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US is no longer a full democracy, EIU warns

The U.S. has been demoted from a full democracy to a flawed democracy for the first time, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU).


Every year, the firm's Democracy Index provides a snapshot of global democracy by scoring countries on five categories: electoral process and pluralism; civil liberties; the functioning of government; political participation; and political culture. Nations are then classified under four types of governments: full democracy, flawed democracy, hybrid regime and authoritarian regime.



Read more here:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/25/us-is-no ... warns.html


I don't know how a 2 party system has ever been considered a 'full democracy''.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:01 pm

DLFREEBIRD wrote:

2016

1. Norway
2. Iceland
3. Sweden
4. New Zealand
5. Denmark
6. Canada
7. Ireland
8. Switzerland
9, Finland
10. Australia
11. Luxembourg
12. Netherlands
13. Germany
14. Austria
15. Malta
16. United Kingdom
17. Spain
18. Mauritius
19. Uruguay


Funny thing. In Finland the freedom of speech situation has gone much worse during past year or so, a lot of people who simply criticized Islam and migration policies have been fined for "hate speech". Both here and in Sweden the media is very much controlled by few media houses which all spread same multiculturalist agenda, there are few dissenting voices in the mainstream media.

Are Finland and Sweden true democracies? Hell no.
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The EU is not a full democracy either, so I think they should simply shut up and mind their own business.


ROFL LMAO
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The EU is not a full democracy either, so I think they should simply shut up and mind their own business.


Why bring the EU into this? It was the EIU, a part of the Economist (British newspaper) who said so.
 
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Yes, I read EU at first, then I noticed my mistake.
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Funny thing. In Finland the freedom of speech situation has gone much worse during past year or so, a lot of people who simply criticized Islam and migration policies have been fined for "hate speech". .


Or your subjective feeling for what constitutes hate speech has changed...... unless the law has changed that is a more likely explanation.

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Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:22 pm

The Economist also told British not to vote LEAVE, and they did exactly that. Paid pundits in little London get over themselves and start talking to people in their own country and rest of world.
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tommy1808 wrote:
MSPNWA wrote:
None are as free, balanced, and sustainable by law as the U.S.


According to the EIU there are democratic republics that are more free and balanced the the U.S.. By quite a margin.

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so how did we get here? were we doomed to begin with?
 
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The Economist also told British not to vote LEAVE, and they did exactly that. .


The Economist was still right about their recommendation.

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Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:20 pm

Just for fun - no it could be reality.

If US democracy doesn't improve - gets worse; the entire union of the USA falls apart - we Canadians will likely pick up the pieces and become a Global Superpower. We will have no need to be part of the UK monarchy commonwealth so a republic will be created - The United States of Canada? :lol: :idea:
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The United States of Canada? :lol: :idea:

The United States of North America?
 
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Or your subjective feeling for what constitutes hate speech has changed...... unless the law has changed that is a more likely explanation.

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It's really not my subjective feeling but the subjective feeling of the judges / politicians and other clowns who run the circus that has changed. Like many other dumb laws the hate speech laws leaves a lot for interpretation, it's up to the judges to decide which opinions are legal and which aren't. Saying "Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims" wouldn't have given you a sentence 10 years ago, but now it does even though the law has not changed. Yet at the same time you are free to call white men disgusting pigs who deserve to die without any issues from the legal system.
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The United States, like France, is a republic.
 
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Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:59 am

LMP737 wrote:
I believe oligarchy would be the best term to use.


Agreed. I've always said between campaign financing, gerrymandering, slanted media coverage, only 2 parties, electoral college voting...the US isnt really that democratic. You can sort of tell they know because when they've occupied Japan, Germany, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. they never use any of the above. Its publicly funded parliamentary governments for the most part.
 
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Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:10 am

Why should any of us scatter for this "Economist Intelligence Unit" anyway? The U.S. <I>is</I> a full democracy; says the Airstud Institute.

There.
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I vote for Oligarchy myself, Once a Republic.
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The election of Trump was a resounding democratic action.

Oligarchy? The Oligarchy we had was Hillary, and they are still howling about their loss.

The Economist doesn't want democracy, they want oligarchy / globalism. They are very about the global order that they want. And democracy is not an honest word for it.
 
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Saying "Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims"


Which is a statement of fact, that is quite obviously not true and can therefore only be said to incite hate against a certain group.

wouldn't have given you a sentence 10 years ago, but now it does even though the law has not changed.


You are perfectly right to be upset, it should have been punished 10 years ago as well. But pretty much all countries turn a blind eye to right wing terrorism and hate, glad to hear that has gotten somewhat less in Finnland.

Yet at the same time you are free to call white men disgusting pigs who deserve to die without any issues from the legal system.


Because that is not a statement of fact, but an opinion. A particularly stupid one, but still an opinion. And you can have all the factually unsupported opinion's that you like and express them. You can simply tell by yourself not being imprisoned.

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Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:30 am

Flighty wrote:
The election of Trump was a resounding democratic action.

Oligarchy? The Oligarchy we had was Hillary, and they are still howling about their loss.

The Economist doesn't want democracy, they want oligarchy / globalism. They are very about the global order that they want. And democracy is not an honest word for it.


The oligarchy you have is not limited to one party or candidate. It's both main parties and all candidates in recent history.

Financiers are doing well right now, stock market at record highs, no sign of the oligarchy losing sleep over Trump.
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tommy1808 wrote:
Which is a statement of fact, that is quite obviously not true and can therefore only be said to incite hate against a certain group.


Many other untrue things are also said. Feminists often say males are privileged compared to women, even though by all measures that's not true in the modern society. Why aren't they charged for hate speech that hurts men? Where do you draw a line between "hate speech" and something that isn't hate speech?

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You are perfectly right to be upset, it should have been punished 10 years ago as well. But pretty much all countries turn a blind eye to right wing terrorism and hate, glad to hear that has gotten somewhat less in Finnland.


Nice to see you don't really believe in freedom of speech either.

tommy1808 wrote:
Because that is not a statement of fact, but an opinion. A particularly stupid one, but still an opinion. And you can have all the factually unsupported opinion's that you like and express them. You can simply tell by yourself not being imprisoned.


What if somebody calls all Muslim men disgusting pigs? Is it then just an opinion or a statement of fact? I'm certain calling all Muslim men disgusting pigs can get you prosecuted for hate speech crime.

Where's the line between "a statement of fact" and an opinion?

Realistically speaking in our system what's relevant isn't what you say, but who you say it to. Certain groups are protected from insults while others are not. Nobody will give a damn if you spam #killallmen hashtag on social media, but change it to #killallwomen or #killallmuslims and you'll soon be in trouble for sure. Our legal system sucks as in practice it doesn't treat all cases equal.
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Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:45 pm

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Oligarchy? The Oligarchy we had was Hillary, and they are still howling about their loss.

I doubt it. Clinton and her team may be licking their wounds but as the old saying goes, plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Looking at Trump's appointment we haven't seen any ordinary working people elevated to positions of responsibility. We have several oligarchs, just not the same faces that appeared in the previous administration. It includes (among others) an oil company CEO, a property developer, a former Goldman Sachs partner and OneWest bank owner, a person whose family connections include Amway and Blackwater. According to the Washington Post, Trump is forming a cabinet that is the richest ever in US history.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 362dd4b328


So sure: some faces have gone. Some career politicians and advisers are no longer in favour, but it is a bit far fetched to suggest the oligarchy has been cast aside in favour of a more plebeian democracy.
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Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:15 pm

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Instead, dwindling trust in government, elected representatives and political parties is to blame.

"Trust in political institutions is an essential component of well-functioning democracies. Yet surveys by Pew, Gallup and other polling agencies have confirmed that public confidence in government has slumped to historic lows in the U.S. This has had a corrosive effect on the quality of democracy," the report found.



All true, and if that's their criteria, then so be it.

In today's news, one 'leader' of a major political party is telling whites to sit down and shutup. The proposed new leader of that same political party is a black separatist.
 
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mham001 wrote:
In today's news, one 'leader' of a major political party is telling whites to sit down and shutup.


So he is copying Bannon's advice to the media?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... hut-threat
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Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:13 am

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mham001 wrote:
In today's news, one 'leader' of a major political party is telling whites to sit down and shutup.


So he is copying Bannon's advice to the media?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... hut-threat


Distrust of the media by the public is probably another good reason for a down-ranking. They did that to themselves.
 
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Re: US is no longer a full democracy, EIU warns

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All true, and if that's their criteria, then so be it.

In today's news, one 'leader' of a major political party is telling whites to sit down and shutup. The proposed new leader of that same political party is a black separatist.


Playing the victim card again?
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