prebennorholm
Posts: 7008
Joined: Tue Mar 21, 2000 6:25 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:31 am

Trump should talk to the weather bureau. Since he took office the weather in most of the U.S. has been well below average for the season.

Has Trump replied "Fake News"? If he has, then I think that this time he is actually right.

Here is some really fake news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyC7WnvLT4

No way does Mr. Trump have the power to keep Europeans, Japs and such out of his country.

And BTW, in this respect one certain Mr. Kjos in Norway has a lot more power than any POTUS will ever have.
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs
 
User avatar
N14AZ
Posts: 3872
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:19 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:41 am

BravoOne wrote:
When the Europeans start paying there way in this world I might change mind. In the meantime buy all the Airbus aircraft you want.

I am not sure if I understand this correctly. To what are you referring when saying "start paying"? The discussion about defence budgets?
 
nikeherc
Posts: 665
Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:40 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:07 am

ZuluTime wrote:
I may be in a minority of one here, but as a UK resident who has travelled to the US very extensively in recent years, I will do everything I can to avoid the USA for as long as Trump is President. If I have a work requirement that takes me there, I'll reluctantly have to go, but I will do all that I can to ensure meetings are in non-US venues. On that basis, it's not "fake news" because at least one overseas individual has clearly stated an intention not to travel to the USA. Whether there are thousands or millions of others like me, I cannot say - but I can express my own intentions.


As an American who has travelled extensively, I say please stay home if you have a problem with the United States. We welcome those who come here to experience the greatness of this country. Looking at the leadership of Europe and the U. K., I would think you'd probably be better off here than there, but that's up to you. Also, if your work requires you to travel here, get another job.
DC6 to 777 and most things in between
 
Wacker1000
Posts: 188
Joined: Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:36 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:13 am

prebennorholm wrote:
No way does Mr. Trump have the power to keep Europeans, Japs and such out of his country.


Ahhhhhh nothing like someone showing how enlightened they are by inadvertently throwing out a word that is a racial slur in most of the English speaking world.

Now what were you saying about Trump?
 
mcogator
Posts: 522
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:51 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:45 am

I don't see how the ME3 will survive this without making dramatic cuts in the US market. I can imagine it's tough out for people from India to visit the US, as most Americans think they're Muslim, when the majority are not.
“Traveling – it leaves you speechless, then turns you into a storyteller.” – Ibn Battuta
 
DLFREEBIRD
Posts: 1075
Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:07 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:07 am

Obviously a lot of you are not in the travel industry, when people book via credit card, the airlines don't get paid until after they fly. so we had strong bookings in December. before Trump announced his travel ban. Things looked up. Stock prices took off. When Trump announced the travel ban, i wondered to myself what would happen. Muslims are the second largest religion in the world. 1.6 billion followers. That's 23% of the global population, so when they said traffic was down 17% . to the U.S. You don't have to be a mathematician.to figure out what's going on. .

i'm surprised you all don't know who Arthur Frommer is. He is a well known travel authority. He's been in the business for a very long time If he is noticing a trend and is concerned enough to write about it, then a trend going on. Nobody should be surprised, but Trump, Bannon and Kellyanne

btw, they are estimating the loss at 3 billion a year.
 
L410Turbolet
Posts: 6095
Joined: Wed May 05, 2004 9:12 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:02 am

nikeherc wrote:
Looking at the leadership of Europe and the U. K., I would think you'd probably be better off here than there, but that's up to you.

Sure... Looking through the optics of Fox reporting I suppose? They are far from perfect, but at least they maintain some sort of decorum and have basic human decency. There are of course exceptions, such as the drunken, arrogant, vulgar and senile human scum residing at the Prague Castle at the moment. He is at least as much embarrasment for my country as Trumputin is for the US, but luckily for us the only button he has authority to press is the one that flushes a toilet.

nikeherc wrote:
I say please stay home if you have a problem with the United States.

I do agree it is extreme and unnecessary to project displeasure with the lunatic idiot in the White House and his circus on the rest of the country. After all only 25% of the population voted for the clown.
That being said, imposing bans overnight is what one would expect from some central Asian dictatorship or Trump's master in the Kremlin, not from the US that used to pride itself on 200 years of democratic continuity and system of checks and balances. Perhaps that's what makes people hesitant to travel? The total unpredictability and lack of credibility of the present government with clear authority tendencies. How many travel bans and against whom there will be before the summer season starts? There seems to be no guarantee that Trump does not get all mad at any given country just because he has seen something on Fox TV or the Himmler-like creeps around him feed him some bs which he takes at face value, because he has no f*cking clue about the world beyond his bubble.

nikeherc wrote:
We welcome those who come here to experience the greatness of this country.

Trump-style "greatness"?

crownvic wrote:
country just north of the USA learn how to tip and dont be so cheap. You will fit right in with the same folks who you are so dying to visit across the Atlantic, they're just as tight too.

People should respect local customs, even those they don't understand such as the US culture of institutionalized begging aka tipping.
 
User avatar
n229nw
Posts: 2035
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:19 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:09 am

Moose135 wrote:
These are great times in the stock market - largest percentage increase following a presidential election since 1928...


1928....that worked out real well long term, didn't it? :scratchchin:

L410Turbolet wrote:
nikeherc wrote:
Looking at the leadership of Europe and the U. K., I would think you'd probably be better off here than there, but that's up to you.

Sure... Looking through the optics of Fox reporting I suppose? They are far from perfect, but at least they maintain some sort of decorum and have basic human decency. There are of course exceptions, such as the drunken, arrogant, vulgar and senile human scum residing at the Prague Castle at the moment. He is at least as much embarrasment for my country as Trumputin is for the US, but luckily for us the only button he has authority to press is the one that flushes a toilet.

nikeherc wrote:
I say please stay home if you have a problem with the United States.

I do agree it is extreme and unnecessary to project displeasure with the lunatic idiot in the White House and his circus on the rest of the country. After all only 25% of the population voted for the clown.
That being said, imposing bans overnight is what one would expect from some central Asian dictatorship or Trump's master in the Kremlin, not from the US that used to pride itself on 200 years of democratic continuity and system of checks and balances. Perhaps that's what makes people hesitant to travel? The total unpredictability and lack of credibility of the present government with clear authority tendencies. How many travel bans and against whom there will be before the summer season starts? There seems to be no guarantee that Trump does not get all mad at any given country just because he has seen something on Fox TV or the Himmler-like creeps around him feed him some bs which he takes at face value, because he has no f*cking clue about the world beyond his bubble.

nikeherc wrote:
We welcome those who come here to experience the greatness of this country.

Trump-style "greatness"?

crownvic wrote:
country just north of the USA learn how to tip and dont be so cheap. You will fit right in with the same folks who you are so dying to visit across the Atlantic, they're just as tight too.

People should respect local customs, even those they don't understand such as the US culture of institutionalized begging aka tipping.


I agree 100% with everything you have written.

But I have an honest question (not meant to be a personal attack). Many of your posts say the same types of things as Trump and his supporters and Farage and his supporters (using right-wing tabloid dog-whistles to talk about Islam, immigration, multiculturalism, etc. etc.). So I'm actually surpised that you don't (as PVJIN does) love Trump and Farage and see them as truth-tellers. I would guess that the fact they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about when it comes to your own part of the world tips you off that they are idiots. But they take their info form the same type of sources you invoke when you use words like "multikulti cult" or "Londonistan" etc. Doesn't the fact that those sources are so ignorant (and so driven by their own prejudice and twisted ideology) about, say, Central/Eastern Europe, also make you note that they might be just as ignorant about their theories about Sharia law taking over Europe, etc.?
Last edited by n229nw on Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
All Glory to the Hypnotoad!
 
Hillis
Posts: 1307
Joined: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:19 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:21 am

Amazing that some of you think a downswing in travel is a good thing for the U.S.

There are many areas in this nation where travel is a huge economic driver. Florida, California, New York City, D.C., parts of Texas. All have huge travel and tourism businesses that rely, in large part, on foreign visitors. Just as Trumps proposed trade war with Mexico and China will have serious consequences for the U.S. economy, so will a precipitious drop in tourism from outside the country.

Look at it this way. Mexico right now is considering a bill that would halt the import of U.S. corn into their nation, and to import corn from Argentina and Brazil. And, if people from abroad would also take their money to other countries instead of the U.S., the economy will also suffer. Unfortunately, this sorry excuse for an administration is so driven by ignorance that they can't see beyond their nose when putting out this nationalistic garbage.
 
User avatar
Francoflier
Posts: 4935
Joined: Wed Oct 31, 2001 12:27 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:35 am

About the stock market references....:

The stock market, especially its short term variations, is NOT a direct indicator for how an economy is performing.
Stock market spikes only directly affect those who hold shares and make transactions with them. It does not necessarily translate into more or better jobs which would ultimately lead to a better economy, unless it turned out to be a long term trend.

About said spike: The markets have reacted very positively to Trump being elected, as they do whenever a Republican is voted in the WH.
In the case of Trump, stock holders were very happy about one thing and one thing only: Trump's promises to cut corporate taxes.
So far, Trump hasn't done anything about that, or about the economy, short of rolling back regulations for a few industries. He has, on the other hand, started to create quite a stir with talks of wild protectionism which is starting to have some of these businesses worried. The long term effects of Trump's evident unpredictability is a lot of volatility. Tax cutbacks would lead to increased profits across the board and more valuable stocks. Whether it will translate into these profits being used to invest in growth and create jobs remains to be seen. The immediate winners will be the traders and those who receive dividends and bonuses/profit sharing, i.e. not the average blue collar American who voted for Trump. Whether those tax cuts would eventually lead to enough job creation and internal economy growth to compensate for the increased budget deficit is dependent on how much a believer in 'trickle down economics' you are... It didn't seem to work very well last time around.

What's interesting is that people voted for the man who described the economy as 'failing', despite a constant increase in the market indices and an associated decrease in unemployment in the last 8 years since the GFC... Yet now the same man, before he's even done anything about it other than dubious promises, takes full credit in rising markets as the sign of a 'recovering' economy... Cognitive dissonance?

I'd be very cautious about banking on US stocks at the moment. The last period of massive deregulation and high volatility did not end well...

But when you support Trump, I suppose you need to grasp at whatever few straws are within reach...
I'll do my own airline. With Blackjack. And hookers. In fact, forget the airline.
 
Nouflyer
Posts: 315
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2014 9:38 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:43 am

jupiter2 wrote:
My daughters dance school were scheduled to do a tour of the U.S. next year, it's been cancelled because many of the parents were just too afraid of what sort of restrictions would be in place for foreign visitors. Now we are talking about a group of 60-70 people from Australia, many of whom did a similar trip 2 years ago and loved it. It's a shame, as on a whole Australians love the U.S. but a lot of people I know just sit back and look at what's going on and think "not for me, not until someone sane is seemingly running the show".

I don't think many Americans realise what a fool Trump makes himself look like in the international community, nor may they care, but the reality is, he scares a lot of people with his antics and knee jerk, simplistic reactions to complex problems. I for one would not be in the slightest bit surprised that tourism to the U.S takes a big hit for foreign visitors, but who knows, maybe all the Americans too scared to leave their own country will holiday domestically and make up for the shortfall.

I don't have a particular opinion on US politics, but the people yelling "Fake News" in this thread probably need to wake up to this issue.

The problem in terms of a real or imagined "Trump Slump" is not travel from Muslim countries.

The real problem is that people - predominantly white people - living in the nations which are America's closest allies (places like the UK and Australia) overwhelmingly and across party lines have a low opinion of him and fear the consequences of his policies on the wider world. Disapproval of Trump and fear of his policies is just as high in supporters of our mainstream conservative parties as our liberal and socialist ones, if not higher.

The people in places like Australia and the UK who do discretionary or business travel to the USA are themselves almost all in the higher demographics in terms of income. And all of us in these countries are used to hearing daily why our friends or colleagues are not going to visit the USA.

I love the USA. I love the American people. I'm still going to travel there, not least because I don't feel that it is my place to have an opinion on US domestic politics.

But I'm well aware that many Australian, British and European prospective visitors will stay away for now. And I've been lucky enough to buy deeply discounted tickets to the USA for later this year, presumably as a result.
 
tommy1808
Posts: 11294
Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:24 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:26 am

Moose135 wrote:
These are great times in the stock market - largest percentage increase following a presidential election since 1928...


About what you expect to see when you have a US president in the White House that is on record saying he thinks it is a good idea for the US to default on its debt.

10 year note yields:

Image

What you see is tax payers money being poured in shareholders pockets. We are all shareholders in one way, but still... nothing reeeeealy to see in the stock market.

Best regards
Thomas
This Singature is a safe space......
 
WIederling
Posts: 8887
Joined: Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:15 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:51 am

mcogator wrote:
I don't see how the ME3 will survive this without making dramatic cuts in the US market. I can imagine it's tough out for people from India to visit the US, as most Americans think they're Muslim, when the majority are not.


Ever so "Well Educated".
What is their position on Pakistani and Bangladeshi?
Murphy is an optimist
 
melpax
Posts: 1930
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:13 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:10 am

jupiter2 wrote:
Wacker1000 wrote:
jupiter2 wrote:
I don't think many Americans realise what a fool Trump makes himself look like in the international community, nor may they care, but the reality is, he scares a lot of people with his antics and knee jerk, simplistic reactions to complex problems. I for one would not be in the slightest bit surprised that tourism to the U.S takes a big hit for foreign visitors, but who knows, maybe all the Americans too scared to leave their own country will holiday domestically and make up for the shortfall.


I assume you're an Australian citizen holding an Australian passport - so you cancel your trip based solely on passport holders from seven countries with dysfunctional governments not being allowed in the US for 90 days and Trump is the fool?


The threat of being denied entry for foreigners, of any background is all too true unfortunately. Read today of a 70 year old Australian children's book author being questioned for 2 hours at LAX by authorities, she has visited the U.S. 116 times. She complained to the Australian Embassy in the U.S and the U.S Embassy in Australia, she got an official apology from the Embassy, but the damage is done and she won't be going back. Or Muhammad Ali's son in Fort Lauderdale being question for 2 hours because he was muslim and they wanted to know where he got his name from !! Come on, it's becoming a joke.......but then again it's probably just fake news.


Mem Fox is a much-loved Children's author here, and was headed to Milwaukee for a confrerence. These sorts of events are making Australians think twice about travelling to The States if this is the sort of treatment they'll get on arrival (especially for a 70 year old woman who was reduced to tears), much less hassle going to Thailand or Bali instead........

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-25/m ... ls/8303366
 
diverted
Posts: 1242
Joined: Sat May 17, 2014 3:17 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:20 pm

crownvic wrote:
Skywatcher wrote:
I have been travelling to the states 3 or 4 times a year for decades. I don't mean to offend anybody and I'm sure most Americans don't care or might even figure "good riddance" but I'll be visiting the Caribbean and Europe for the foreseeable future instead. Lots to experience there for sure. Many Canadians feel a little more unwelcome in the states these days.



Good riddance...If you are from the country just north of the USA learn how to tip and dont be so cheap. You will fit right in with the same folks who you are so dying to visit across the Atlantic, they're just as tight too.


Um, that was a bit uncalled for. For the record, 15-20% is common here too. Your tip amounts may be a product of the service you provide, which, judging from the way your post reads, might explain a few things.

But yeah, for the record, a lot of us are doing the same. By no means am I refusing to go to the US, but I've definitely reconsidered a few vacations I had planned. Travelling to the US is becoming such a hassle, and it's not strictly Trump. Being told to unlock my cell phone so some dim wit CBP officer can go through it? Being treated like I need to validate my reasoning for getting on a flight by the TSA? Security theatre is out of hand.

And then you have the current administration driving a wedge in the country. It's not that Trump is the reason people are more fearful, but it's because he's brought out a huge divide in the country. It's crazy how a "united" country can have so much division, hate, and xenophobia. Pure, hatred, for no other reason than political differences. Of course it's nothing new, but it seems pretty unprecedented. When you have politicians who say their goal is to block anything the president does (regardless of whether the POTUS is Trump or Obama) something's wrong. It's not a game, it's running the damn country. Settle your differences, make compromises, and do what's best for the country.

Instead of hoping Donald will "make America great again," everyone should take a look through history and realize what made America great in the first place, why so many people were willing to uproot their lives for a chance at a new life. How an untamed wilderness became the most powerful country in the world in such a short span of time, with innovation, invention, skill, and the will to succeed.

Now it's a struggle just to fund maintenance on infrastructure. Politicians only seem to care about pleasing their donors, and setting themselves up for life in the private sector after they retire from government.

Image
 
ltbewr
Posts: 14422
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2004 1:24 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:03 pm

I would also like to know if there has been a decline in travel by Americans to outside the USA including Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean over the last year or 2. I wouldn't be surprised if there has been.
The USA requires its citizens to get a full passport or passport card event to travel to Canada and Mexico so with its cost to get one discouraging some travelers. I would note from my casual observations the long lines in particular on Saturdays of persons of Hispanic/Latino and those from Islamic dominate countries by birth or heritage at selected US Post Offices where one applies for their 1st Passports. I suspect that is more for a safe ID rather than to travel.
More likely is that many Americans have declining incomes so cannot afford to travel, are scared off by crime (for example with Mexico), terrorism (certain areas of Europe and ME), have far less desire due to bad media coverage and ignorance of the world outside the USA.
For all travelers from outside the USA, beyond the factors cited by other posters here, I suspect fear of crime, especially our high rates of gun murder, our internal political divisions, ignorance of others, high costs for tourists related services (hotels, car rentals) in part due to fewer cheap options or high fees/taxes added on to base costs many mean seeking cheaper non-USA options.
 
photopilot
Posts: 3101
Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2002 11:16 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:21 pm

I can tell you with absolute certainty that when I use the popular airline travel booking sites, I specifically look for flights that don't have layovers/connections within the USA.

The absolute HASSLE of clearing (or pre-clearing) US Customs/Border Control here in Canada because I have to change planes somewhere in the USA just isn't worth it. I'll route myself thru other international airline hubs to route around the USA. For example, when I book for Ecuador, instead of routing thru DFW or MIA, I'll book flights thru MEX, PTY etc.

As to actually vacationing in the USA, not going to happen. I simply WILL NOT let USCBP data-dump my cellphone or laptop and require me to give up my passwords just so I can spend my money in your country. LOTS of other countries are happy and welcoming to tourists, which the USA is apparently not concerned with. Ok, so let's see where the jobs go.
 
User avatar
sassiciai
Posts: 1093
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:26 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:40 pm

Seems that Trump is actually "Making America grate again!" :lol:

"America first" is good in, er, America <read USA>. That translates straight into "USA second (or worse) everywhere else".

The protectionist stance of The Donald is at least 100-years out-of-date. Whatever he enacts, USA will suffer just as much (or more) as the countries he is targeting. Pacific on the West, Atlantic on the East, The Great Wall of Mexico on the south - WTF, has he forgotten the Canadians, or what?

As many above have pointed out, and summing them up in an oversimplified way, the answer to the OP point is that air travel to/from the USA is already under pressure and will most likely worsen.

Other than air travel, it is interesting to speculate on the world's airlines perception of Boeing as an international player as we go forward.

Last point - it seems that The Donald nor his entourage yet reads airliners.net! So we can say what we want!!!!!
 
Wacker1000
Posts: 188
Joined: Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:36 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:08 pm

jupiter2 wrote:
Read today of a 70 year old Australian children's book author being questioned for 2 hours at LAX by authorities, she has visited the U.S. 116 times. She complained to the Australian Embassy in the U.S and the U.S Embassy in Australia, she got an official apology from the Embassy, but the damage is done and she won't be going back. Or Muhammad Ali's son in Fort Lauderdale being question for 2 hours because he was muslim and they wanted to know where he got his name from !!


Is "2 hours" the magic number everyone uses when complaining about being "detained"? So they were spoken with for two hours and they got offended? Not beaten? Not arrested? Not jailed? No waterboarding? I've stood in line nearly that long after a morning arrival and wasn't happy about being delayed getting to the hotel to shower. Next time I'll throw a hissy fit so I get media coverage.


jupiter2 wrote:
Come on, it's becoming a joke.......but then again it's probably just fake news.


Its a joke what people choose to whine and complain over.
 
IPFreely
Posts: 2469
Joined: Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:26 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:31 pm

crownvic wrote:
Good riddance...If you are from the country just north of the USA learn how to tip and dont be so cheap. You will fit right in with the same folks who you are so dying to visit across the Atlantic, they're just as tight too.


I would agree....but all of these people posting that they will not travel to the US are about as believable as all the so-called celebrities who announced they were giving up their citizenship and moving to other countries. Unfortunately they are all still here. And these posters will unfortunately come, too, while reveling in stories like "my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw someone with a passport unfairly asked questions at an airport".
 
User avatar
Aesma
Posts: 12011
Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:14 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:32 pm

Before the election Donald Trump talked about "extreme vetting" and that included Western Europe, some of us remember this.
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
 
User avatar
pvjin
Posts: 3614
Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:52 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:07 pm

I hope to visit the the US within Trump's first term just to annoy angry liberals.
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." - Martin Luther King Jr
 
ltbewr
Posts: 14422
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2004 1:24 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:17 pm

pvjin wrote:
I hope to visit the the US within Trump's first term just to annoy angry liberals.

And we will appreciate your choice to spend time here and hopefully be around a cross section of Americans to understand us better.
 
User avatar
Aesma
Posts: 12011
Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:14 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:29 pm

My family and I weren't planning any trip to the US, however if we would go it would be to visit NYC and its sights and museums, maybe Boston too.

Would visiting these places that overwhelmingly rejected Donald Trump count as friendly towards him ?

Food for thought ah ah.
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
 
DLFREEBIRD
Posts: 1075
Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:07 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:55 pm

those planning on visiting, great! and thank you. But, if you aren't muslin. then your missing the point on who's not coming here to visit/vacation.
 
coolian2
Posts: 2483
Joined: Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:34 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:09 am

I'm part of this. I was going to go to the US for the U2 Joshua Tree tour.

Now? Quite happy to sit at home. I'm sorry America, and to my friends and family who want to travel with me, but you're boycotted.
Q300/ATR72-600/737-200/-300/-400/-700/-800/A320/767-200/-300/757-200/777-300ER/
747-200/-300/-400/ER/A340-300/A380-800/MD-83/-88/CRJ-700/-900
 
mham001
Posts: 5639
Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:52 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:48 am

coolian2 wrote:
I'm part of this. I was going to go to the US for the U2 Joshua Tree tour.

Now? Quite happy to sit at home. I'm sorry America, and to my friends and family who want to travel with me, but you're boycotted.


See there, we are better off for it after all.
 
User avatar
seb146
Posts: 21025
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 1999 7:19 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:10 am

pvjin wrote:
I hope to visit the the US within Trump's first term just to annoy angry liberals.


Kansas is the perfect vacation destination for you! Or Florida:

http://latest.com/2017/02/gay-couple-at ... p-country/
You bet I'm pumped!!! I just had a green tea!!!
 
ltbewr
Posts: 14422
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2004 1:24 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:11 am

Beyond if being of the Islamic faith, I would also be concerned about traveling to the USA if a GLTBQ, Hispanic/Latino or Chinese person considering the attitudes and polices of President Trump*', most Republicans and their supporters as to such persons for well known reasons.
 
tofur
Posts: 79
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:51 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:20 am

Travel is having the opportunity to forge new adventures, make new friends and open our minds to how people live their lives outside of our perceived reality. I am fortunate enough to have had a few decades worth of this experience.

One day during our welcome announcement, the purser said; "Today we are pleased to be of service in English, French, Italian, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Hindi and Punjabi." Each language qualified crew member makes a small welcome announcement. It is a very nice gesture to welcome all passengers in their language as there are many connections aboard our flights.

During final cabin checks for departure, a passenger I had chatted with during boarding asked me a question. She was so excited to be going on a European adventure with her family for the first time. She said; "I know Fraanch and Eye Talian but what is Hinni and Panoochi? It was cute and I wanted to smile, but then remembered this was her first big trip, I said, "Oh madam those are two of the many official languages of India". She smiled and said "Cool". I loved her innocence from that moment.

We engaged in conversation throughout the flight and I offered her many sightseeing and restaurant recommendations. I told her of a Persian restaurant in London as well as a great place for fish and chips, an Indian restaurant in Amsterdam as well as a great place for Dutch fries and mayonnaise, and an Arab cafe in Paris as well as my opinion as the best place to buy croissants and baguettes. She was so excited and I was for her too. I never thought I would be able to hear of her adventures.

Two weeks later she was going home and I was on her flight! I was so pleased to see her! She had a wonderful time and was so excited to tell me about her trip. Of course she loved the sites, but even more she loved the Iranian Jewish place in London, the north Indian Punjabi Sikh place in Amsterdam, and the Algerian cafe in Paris. The people who own these establishments opened her mind to a world of new tastes, friendships and views and I am fortunate to call them friends. She said she would never had tried these types of restaurants at home or be interested in their countries, now she would like to visit all these places.

Travel is powerful! Let us not cut the ties that make it available!
 
coolian2
Posts: 2483
Joined: Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:34 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:39 am

mham001 wrote:
coolian2 wrote:
I'm part of this. I was going to go to the US for the U2 Joshua Tree tour.

Now? Quite happy to sit at home. I'm sorry America, and to my friends and family who want to travel with me, but you're boycotted.


See there, we are better off for it after all.

A little unnecessary. I know we go after each other a lot on these forums, but at least we go after what each other says, no who we are.
Q300/ATR72-600/737-200/-300/-400/-700/-800/A320/767-200/-300/757-200/777-300ER/
747-200/-300/-400/ER/A340-300/A380-800/MD-83/-88/CRJ-700/-900
 
tommy1808
Posts: 11294
Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:24 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:03 am

pvjin wrote:
I hope to visit the the US within Trump's first term just to annoy angry liberals.


You hope? What is stopping you?

Best regards
Thomas
This Singature is a safe space......
 
tommy1808
Posts: 11294
Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:24 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:08 am

coolian2 wrote:
Now? Quite happy to sit at home. I'm sorry America, and to my friends and family who want to travel with me, but you're boycotted.


Exactly. SInce 1999 I have been in the US every other year, even under war criminal Bush. But for the next four years I take my money elsewhere.
With you people in Europe being desintrested in visiting the US anyways, they much rather go to asia or south america, us tourism may be in for hard times

Best regards
Thomas
This Singature is a safe space......
 
tommy1808
Posts: 11294
Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:24 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:17 am

tofur wrote:
Travel is powerful! Let us not cut the ties that make it available!


And the important seats seem to feel the punch too:
Image

Orlando and Chicago are also available for 55k miles, so basically for free.

best regards
Thomas
This Singature is a safe space......
 
User avatar
Boeing717200
Posts: 1926
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:26 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:10 am

exFWAOONW wrote:
What "experts"? If they are experts, name them so they can take credit if they are right. Sounds like more biased, wishful thinking, disguised as news.


Experts looking for an excuse to explain their loses. I find it amusing they don't look at bookings in both directions. Europe is a bit of a mess right now, like it or not. It's most certainly not on our list of places to visit this year.

http://time.com/4607481/europe-terroris ... -brussels/
240 years and the top two candidates are named Dumb and Dumber. Stay classy!
 
sbworcs
Posts: 806
Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:19 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:34 am

crownvic wrote:
Skywatcher wrote:
I have been travelling to the states 3 or 4 times a year for decades. I don't mean to offend anybody and I'm sure most Americans don't care or might even figure "good riddance" but I'll be visiting the Caribbean and Europe for the foreseeable future instead. Lots to experience there for sure. Many Canadians feel a little more unwelcome in the states these days.



Good riddance...If you are from the country just north of the USA learn how to tip and dont be so cheap. You will fit right in with the same folks who you are so dying to visit across the Atlantic, they're just as tight too.


Not tight - just not willing to tip for bad service. If servic is good I tip well if not I don't
The best way forwards is upwards!
 
tommy1808
Posts: 11294
Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:24 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:53 am

Boeing717200 wrote:
It's most certainly not on our list of places to visit this year.


Well, since Europe is still almost an order of magnitude saver then the US, that is of course just unfounded paranoia speaking.
And the only risk to tourism in Europe from the US is Trump wrecking the economy bad enough that you can´t afford coming here anymore.

Image

And since the vast majority of Trump supporters doesn´t even have a Passport.....

best regards
Thomas
This Singature is a safe space......
 
User avatar
pvjin
Posts: 3614
Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:52 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:29 am

tommy1808 wrote:
pvjin wrote:
I hope to visit the the US within Trump's first term just to annoy angry liberals.


You hope? What is stopping you?

Best regards
Thomas


Work mainly, and limited amount of money in a world full of interesting destinations.
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." - Martin Luther King Jr
 
tommy1808
Posts: 11294
Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:24 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:46 am

pvjin wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
pvjin wrote:
I hope to visit the the US within Trump's first term just to annoy angry liberals.


You hope? What is stopping you?

Best regards
Thomas


Work mainly, and limited amount of money in a world full of interesting destinations.


5 weeks paid vacation plus 11 holidays and yet your dreamland is so much less interesting than so many other places you hope to go to and you are worried about money for the trip?
Is a low paid job the reason why you are so full of hate?

Best regards
Thomas
This Singature is a safe space......
 
User avatar
Boeing717200
Posts: 1926
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:26 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:58 pm

prebennorholm wrote:
Trump should talk to the weather bureau. Since he took office the weather in most of the U.S. has been well below average for the season.

Has Trump replied "Fake News"? If he has, then I think that this time he is actually right.

Here is some really fake news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyC7WnvLT4

No way does Mr. Trump have the power to keep Europeans, Japs and such out of his country.

And BTW, in this respect one certain Mr. Kjos in Norway has a lot more power than any POTUS will ever have.


Chill. He's fixing climate change too.
240 years and the top two candidates are named Dumb and Dumber. Stay classy!
 
User avatar
BobPatterson
Posts: 3416
Joined: Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:18 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:44 pm

prebennorholm wrote:
Trump should talk to the weather bureau. Since he took office the weather in most of the U.S. has been well below average for the season.

Has Trump replied "Fake News"? If he has, then I think that this time he is actually right.

Here is some really fake news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyC7WnvLT4

No way does Mr. Trump have the power to keep Europeans, Japs and such out of his country.

And BTW, in this respect one certain Mr. Kjos in Norway has a lot more power than any POTUS will ever have.


Please be kind enough to avoid the use of derogatory or insulting terms such as "Japs." Japanese, Orientals, Muslims are easy enough to use and spell properly.

Thank you.
Facts are fragile things. Treat them with care. Sources are important. Alternative facts do not exist.
 
User avatar
BobPatterson
Posts: 3416
Joined: Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:18 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:09 pm

Aesma wrote:
My family and I weren't planning any trip to the US, however if we would go it would be to visit NYC and its sights and museums, maybe Boston too.

Would visiting these places that overwhelmingly rejected Donald Trump count as friendly towards him ?

Food for thought ah ah.


New Yawkers would be delighted to have you. It would help pay for the $500,000 per day is it costing for New York's Finest to police the area around Trump Towers.

C'mon ovah.
Facts are fragile things. Treat them with care. Sources are important. Alternative facts do not exist.
 
User avatar
pvjin
Posts: 3614
Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:52 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:13 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
5 weeks paid vacation plus 11 holidays and yet your dreamland is so much less interesting than so many other places you hope to go to and you are worried about money for the trip?
Is a low paid job the reason why you are so full of hate?



Actually I was referring to study related work, student's benefits here aren't that big. Because Germany has ruined our economy by keeping the euro too strong the employment chances in this country seem rather bad, thus I need to study extra hard to have hope for the future. I would be certainly significantly less hateful if you euroliberals didn't do your best to make me and other young people's lives as difficult as possible.
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." - Martin Luther King Jr
 
User avatar
BobPatterson
Posts: 3416
Joined: Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:18 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:21 pm

pvjin wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
pvjin wrote:
I hope to visit the the US within Trump's first term just to annoy angry liberals.


You hope? What is stopping you?

Best regards
Thomas


Work mainly, and limited amount of money in a world full of interesting destinations.


Fly into BWI on WOW (or possibly Norwegian, soon), bring whatever Rubles or Euros you can manage. I'll buy your first beer and pretzels and drive you into D.C.

Come visit!
Facts are fragile things. Treat them with care. Sources are important. Alternative facts do not exist.
 
tommy1808
Posts: 11294
Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:24 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:10 pm

pvjin wrote:
Because Germany has ruined our economy by keeping the euro too strong the employment chances in this country seem rather bad,


As I have explained to you before, lowering wages has exactly the same effect than devaluating your own currency. It has exactly the same effect on your personal wealth and purchasing power as well.
So, instead of complaining about the high Euro, complaining that you can't become more competitive by devaluating* you currency, why don't you chose the equivalent solution and lower your wages by 10% to let's say German levels?

Best regards
Thomas

*thinking about it, devaluating your currency is worse than a pay cut, since it makes it more volatile and that increases the interest rates. Your government would have to pay more for loans and have less for useful work.
P.S. to that: you can see the effect with France, the mere chance of Le Pen being elected with the remote chance of France leaving the EURO already is enough to drive up their interest rate and the demand for German bonds up that much that the German treasury made some 600 Million EURO profit on *borrowed* money
This Singature is a safe space......
 
User avatar
pvjin
Posts: 3614
Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:52 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:25 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
pvjin wrote:
Because Germany has ruined our economy by keeping the euro too strong the employment chances in this country seem rather bad,


As I have explained to you before, lowering wages has exactly the same effect than devaluating your own currency. It has exactly the same effect on your personal wealth and purchasing power as well.
So, instead of complaining about the high Euro, complaining that you can't become more competitive by devaluating* you currency, why don't you chose the equivalent solution and lower your wages by 10% to let's say German levels?

Best regards
Thomas

*thinking about it, devaluating your currency is worse than a pay cut, since it makes it more volatile and that increases the interest rates. Your government would have to pay more for loans and have less for useful work.
P.S. to that: you can see the effect with France, the mere chance of Le Pen being elected with the remote chance of France leaving the EURO already is enough to drive up their interest rate and the demand for German bonds up that much that the German treasury made some 600 Million EURO profit on *borrowed* money


Unfortunately lowering wages is not an option as Finland has extremely strong trade unions opposing anything like that, and a lot of dumb voters who wouldn't oppose devaluating the currency that much, but will always oppose lowering their wages. Our gov is having a very difficult time making us more competitive in this kind of an environment.

Thus devaluating was a very useful tool for countries like Finland. It is no coincidence all other Nordic countries with very similar economic history are now doing much better without euro.
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." - Martin Luther King Jr
 
tommy1808
Posts: 11294
Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:24 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:39 pm

pvjin wrote:
Unfortunately lowering wages is not an option as Finland has extremely strong trade unions opposing anything like that


Germany has strong unions too thank you very much. Yet, when it became apparent that Germany could not hope to compete once the Euro was there given its cost structure, unions played along accepting several rounds of low to no raise without making much, economically damaging, fuzz about it.

And it is good to see that you think of a majority of finns as being dumb compared to you, who of course gets the reality of the wage/currency relationship. And that is a perfectly good reason to lie to them to make those dumb sheep vote for the alternative they are just smart enough to understand...

Best regards
Thomas
This Singature is a safe space......
 
User avatar
seb146
Posts: 21025
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 1999 7:19 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:45 am

pvjin wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
pvjin wrote:
Because Germany has ruined our economy by keeping the euro too strong the employment chances in this country seem rather bad,


As I have explained to you before, lowering wages has exactly the same effect than devaluating your own currency. It has exactly the same effect on your personal wealth and purchasing power as well.
So, instead of complaining about the high Euro, complaining that you can't become more competitive by devaluating* you currency, why don't you chose the equivalent solution and lower your wages by 10% to let's say German levels?

Best regards
Thomas

*thinking about it, devaluating your currency is worse than a pay cut, since it makes it more volatile and that increases the interest rates. Your government would have to pay more for loans and have less for useful work.
P.S. to that: you can see the effect with France, the mere chance of Le Pen being elected with the remote chance of France leaving the EURO already is enough to drive up their interest rate and the demand for German bonds up that much that the German treasury made some 600 Million EURO profit on *borrowed* money


Unfortunately lowering wages is not an option as Finland has extremely strong trade unions opposing anything like that, and a lot of dumb voters who wouldn't oppose devaluating the currency that much, but will always oppose lowering their wages. Our gov is having a very difficult time making us more competitive in this kind of an environment.


The United States has unions opposed to low wages, too. However, business runs the government, so, government does what is best for business and not We The People. You Finns are lucky that you all still have the votes and minds to keep your lifestyle. We Americans voted away all of that for us starting in 1980.
You bet I'm pumped!!! I just had a green tea!!!
 
User avatar
pvjin
Posts: 3614
Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:52 pm

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:38 pm

seb146 wrote:
The United States has unions opposed to low wages, too. However, business runs the government, so, government does what is best for business and not We The People. You Finns are lucky that you all still have the votes and minds to keep your lifestyle. We Americans voted away all of that for us starting in 1980.


For every couple of Finns who are paid well thanks to the unions you have at least one who is unemployed or doing unpaid slave labour in some government program because businesses can't afford employing as many people as they could in the US or Germany. The system is good only for those who have managed to get employed, for the rest it sucks.

In the good old days if you were smart you could just get an university level education and be guaranteed to find some good paying work that you're qualified for. Then came the socialists whose only goal is to supply as large portion of the population as possible with university level degrees of any kind. As a result education in most fields is worth nothing nowadays as there are several times more graduates than the businesses and government can actually employ.

The future prospects of living on government welfare forever or working at Mcdonald's even though I have a master's degree don't exactly make me hopeful of my future in Finland. I would much rather take a 30% pay cut to have a proper job. Finland is truly a horrible place if you are poor - the climate sucks, the government gives you just enough money to allow you to survive but not enough to actually enjoy life. Because you have enough money to survive you won't even find a purpose to life from daily struggle like in a lot of developing world. How boring, this is why a lot of the refugees who arrive here eventually return even to places like Iraq, at least there life isn't a passive social democratic dystopia with no purpose.
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." - Martin Luther King Jr
 
User avatar
seb146
Posts: 21025
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 1999 7:19 am

Re: 'Trump slump' hitting air travel

Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:49 pm

pvjin wrote:
seb146 wrote:
The United States has unions opposed to low wages, too. However, business runs the government, so, government does what is best for business and not We The People. You Finns are lucky that you all still have the votes and minds to keep your lifestyle. We Americans voted away all of that for us starting in 1980.


For every couple of Finns who are paid well thanks to the unions you have at least one who is unemployed or doing unpaid slave labour in some government program because businesses can't afford employing as many people as they could in the US or Germany. The system is good only for those who have managed to get employed, for the rest it sucks.

In the good old days if you were smart you could just get an university level education and be guaranteed to find some good paying work that you're qualified for. Then came the socialists whose only goal is to supply as large portion of the population as possible with university level degrees of any kind. As a result education in most fields is worth nothing nowadays as there are several times more graduates than the businesses and government can actually employ.

The future prospects of living on government welfare forever or working at Mcdonald's even though I have a master's degree don't exactly make me hopeful of my future in Finland. I would much rather take a 30% pay cut to have a proper job. Finland is truly a horrible place if you are poor - the climate sucks, the government gives you just enough money to allow you to survive but not enough to actually enjoy life. Because you have enough money to survive you won't even find a purpose to life from daily struggle like in a lot of developing world. How boring, this is why a lot of the refugees who arrive here eventually return even to places like Iraq, at least there life isn't a passive social democratic dystopia with no purpose.


And in the United States, companies do not pay wages or benefits like they do in Germany. They pay as little as possible, both to their workers and to the government. Wal-Mart, McDonalds, Target, etc. use infrastructure much more than those who work for them, yet those companies get rebates and refunds every year from the government and pay no taxes because their profits are all held off shore. Workers here can not even hope to have enough money to even just survive because profit is more important.

Keep in mind that these same people who put profit ahead of people are the same people who support the party of Christianity. You know: being selfless, giving all to God, greed is bad, sick people should be healed, etc.
You bet I'm pumped!!! I just had a green tea!!!

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: aerlingus747, David_itl, Google Adsense [Bot], KL785, Number6, vhqpa and 17 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos