tommy1808 wrote:Nope, it couldn´t be said about those.
Yes it could. I just did.
tommy1808 wrote:Yup, so just as with taxes, they are gone once you paid them.
I totally agree - that was my point. But now, magically, the EU seems to think that they are not membership fees but contributions to specific spending. Can't have it both ways.
tommy1808 wrote:If the UK doesn´t like it, they can take it up with the ECJ.
If we get to the end of the 2 year notice period without agreement, I can just see the EU going running to the ECJ with all of their demands for payments. Funny this, the UK will no longer be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ at that point.
tommy1808 wrote:For the liabilities the UK has created and agreed to pay for. Not a dime beyond that.
But we haven't. The EU has created the liabilities and agreed to pay them. The UK has only agreed to pay a membership fee, as you agreed above.
tommy1808 wrote:The public servants who´s pensions you will pay for did work on your behalf.
They were employed by, and did work for, the EU. Does the golf club expect me to pay their employees pensions after I have left, just because they cut the grass for me to play on? No.
tommy1808 wrote:with your aggressive barking attack politicians on the UK side, that haven´t uttered a single reasonable proposal yet
The most aggressive politician so far has clearly been Junckers and, if you actually read the letter that Theresa May wrote to trigger this whole process, you will find a number of proposals in there. Just because you don't like the proposals that the UK has made so far, does not mean that they do not exist.
tommy1808 wrote:, it is only a matter of time until the letter for letter by treaty and law approach of the EU will be over, and some will go into full "you know what, screw you" mode. With all 27 having to agree to the treaty, your bleak outlook could become true, but do to the vastly different scales it will of course hit the UK much harder.
I think you are right about the "screw you" - our "leaders" really are that stupid, as Junckers is very ably demonstrating at the moment. But I'm sure you are wrong about which side will be harder hit. Too many of the EU economies are far too fragile to withstand the fallout and I very much doubt that any of the stronger ones are going to be willing to prop things up any more than they already are doing. It will mean the end of the EU in its present form. Independent forecasts have estimated the impact on the UK as roughly equal to the GFC, which we survived.
tommy1808 wrote:I would not be surprised at all if all of this is just theoretic to get an election win, and poor Ms. May will tell her voters afterwards "we have to go for the Norwegian model, because that is the only agreement we can reach"
She knows that she has no hope whatsoever of getting away with that. Despite what you seem to think, the UK electorate is not that stupid.