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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 1:18 pm

oly720man wrote:
Past experience would suggest the sort who is brainwashed into believing that is the key to a better next life.


Probably somebody should tell them the 1:72 model is not sustainable and there is an acute shortage of virgins in heaven, and these are headed to hell anyway.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 1:31 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
oly720man wrote:
Past experience would suggest the sort who is brainwashed into believing that is the key to a better next life.


Probably somebody should tell them the 1:72 model is not sustainable and there is an acute shortage of virgins in heaven, and these are headed to hell anyway.


When we live in a world where kids can be persuaded over FB to carry out ever more extreme acts before killing themselves

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Whale_(game)

anyone IMPRESSIONABLE ENOUGH will probably believe any old crap from a manipulator, and it only needs one person here and one there.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 1:35 pm

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He has the the vocabulary of a ninth grader

That's an insult to ninth graders far beyond their school year.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 1:38 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
oly720man wrote:
Past experience would suggest the sort who is brainwashed into believing that is the key to a better next life.


Probably somebody should tell them the 1:72 model is not sustainable and there is an acute shortage of virgins in heaven, and these are headed to hell anyway.



There is a seriuos misunderstanding among the IS loosers: its not 72 virgins in heaven for them, its one 72 year old virgin in hell. Maybe someone should tell them.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 7:06 pm

Salman Abedi, 22, was identified as the man who detonated an improvised explosive device at about 10:30 p.m. local time Monday, killing more than 20 people, some of them children, and injuring dozens more, Manchester police confirmed in a news conference on Tuesday. At least 12 children under the age of 16 were injured, emergency responders said. An 8-year-old girl was among the dead.

A European security official told the Associated Press that Abedi was British. No additional details about Abedi were immediately available.

ISIS claimed on Tuesday that "a soldier of the caliphate planted bombs in the middle of Crusaders gatherings" then detonated them, but Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats said that the U.S. had not yet verified that the terror group was responsible.

Officials believe the device was packed with shrapnel, built to inflict as much human damage as possible, according to U.S. law enforcement sources. Manchester police said one of their priorities is to investigate whether the attacker acted alone or had some kind of support.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/23 ... abedi.html
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 7:21 pm

Another Islamist terror event.

And once again, Steven Crowder nails it in the quick response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... UD4Td9hjKw

islam is and will be incompatible with the West as currently constituted. And it can't be reformed because it makes their prophet fallible. So we're back to square one.

Prayers for the victims but I'm tired of hollow gestures of solidarity. Time for action.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 7:28 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
A European security official told the Associated Press that Abedi was British. No additional details about Abedi were immediately available.


This is becoming a common problem across Europe - so-called "Home-Grown Terrorism". It is far harder to prevent than it is to prevent extremists from entering the country. You can't prevent the ideology from entering the country if it has been born and bred there. The situation is such that someone may spend their entire life in, say, Birmingham; never going further "abroad" than Yorkshire, and yet still they have become influenced by, and filled with, hatred. The question is how to prevent it? The simple answer: Better integration. But of course people have to want to integrate - you can give a man a fishing rod, but you can't make him use it. "Better integration" is a useful phrase to bandy about, but it is a whole lot more complicated than that.

And of course, the concept of Freedom of Religion is also important. From what I've read, it is particularly important to current British-PM Theresa May; and she has a point. Once you start targeting one religion, then the door is opened (maybe not right away, but perhaps further down the line) to someone else targeting your own. So there's a fine balance to be struck between preserving the right of people to worship as they so choose, but also preventing extremism.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 9:42 pm

slider wrote:
Another Islamist terror event.
islam is and will be incompatible with the West as currently constituted. And it can't be reformed because it makes their prophet fallible. So we're back to square one.


True words. But almost all of the leaders of the western world are afraid to acknowledge that, even denying it, thus making matters worse by strenghtening the far right.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 9:44 pm

slider wrote:
Another Islamist terror event.
Time for action.

Great, why don't you join any army fighting in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, or you are all talk?
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 9:52 pm

KLDC10 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
A European security official told the Associated Press that Abedi was British. No additional details about Abedi were immediately available.


This is becoming a common problem across Europe - so-called "Home-Grown Terrorism". It is far harder to prevent than it is to prevent extremists from entering the country. You can't prevent the ideology from entering the country if it has been born and bred there. The situation is such that someone may spend their entire life in, say, Birmingham; never going further "abroad" than Yorkshire, and yet still they have become influenced by, and filled with, hatred. The question is how to prevent it? The simple answer: Better integration. But of course people have to want to integrate - you can give a man a fishing rod, but you can't make him use it. "Better integration" is a useful phrase to bandy about, but it is a whole lot more complicated than that.

And of course, the concept of Freedom of Religion is also important. From what I've read, it is particularly important to current British-PM Theresa May; and she has a point. Once you start targeting one religion, then the door is opened (maybe not right away, but perhaps further down the line) to someone else targeting your own. So there's a fine balance to be struck between preserving the right of people to worship as they so choose, but also preventing extremism.


The problem of too many muslims in Europe is that they actively refuse to integrate and assimilate. They want their (backward-thinking) way of life to be established here, and not live like liberal Westerners. Big mistake, its like showing your hosts the middlefinger! Just an example: when members of my family emigrated to the US 150 years ago (!) they did not name their kids Heinrich or Wilhelm, no, it was John and Charles. Today the children of third generation muslims here are still named Ahmed or Mohammed. A very bad sign. Stubborness and deliberate isolation is never a good way to be accepted anywhere.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 10:06 pm

Thinking of all those parents whove spent the last day living out their worst nightmare.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 10:19 pm

na wrote:
The problem of too many muslims in Europe is that they actively refuse to integrate and assimilate. They want their (backward-thinking) way of life to be established here, and not live like liberal Westerners. Big mistake, its like showing your hosts the middlefinger! Just an example: when members of my family emigrated to the US 150 years ago (!) they did not name their kids Heinrich or Wilhelm, no, it was John and Charles. Today the children of third generation muslims here are still named Ahmed or Mohammed. A very bad sign. Stubborness and deliberate isolation is never a good way to be accepted anywhere.


I agree, and that goes back to the point that they have to want to integrate. And if certain people don't want to integrate into a society, it begs the question "why join that society in the first place?"

Furthermore; if first generation immigrants do not make an effort to integrate, then that likely means that they do not encourage their children to integrate, which means that the cycle is perpetuated and those children are living in something akin to a bubble, in which they're far more susceptible to falling victim to extremist ideologies because they know little about the society in which they live. Ultimately, they haven't been brought up as a full member of society, but have instead been almost completely insulated from it.

And I fully agree that it is incumbent upon those immigrants to make the effort to integrate. As you suggested, naming their children in line with the norm in their new country is an important first step. If you're going to join a society, then you have to commit to it 100%.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 10:38 pm

I don't know if you guys have noticed, but majority of these lone wolf attacks are committed by second generation refugees and/or immigrants who migrated upon humanitarian grounds. The first generation moves in and still thinks that they live in the country they just escaped persecution from. They don't teach their kids how to integrate and are even abusive towards their kids. Then, their second generation begin to grow up and face an identity crisis and don't think they belong to their new countries. This makes them easy to be brainwashed completely and commit such astrocities. Brainwashing is so easy when you have social media and other ways of communication to recruit such deranged people. All these acts are signs of horrible mental illnesses.

Once again, President Donald Trump is right. There are millions of people from China, Vietnam, India, Japan and other nations who immigrate and grow up to be great citizens. Yet, those from certain middle eastern nations and North African nations are usually behind such terrible acts of violence. The ban needs to come back. Even Europe should do a temporary ban on people from these high-risk nations. They have taken simply too many people who refuse to integrate and are hell bent on continuing their backwards traditions. After thinking about it, you will never know the impact of so many refugees moving into Europe until their kids become young adults.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 11:22 pm

I will repeat but Trump is totally wrong. The problem is Saudi Arabia, and he doesn't acknowledge that. Muslims in North Africa are more secular than some muslims in France whose parents or grandparents came from North Africa, why ? Because of clerics sent by Saudi Arabia.

Of course the US can't really admit that as it encourages doing the same sort of thing with crazy evangelicals corrupting African and Asian nations.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 11:28 pm

na wrote:
The problem of too many muslims in Europe is that they actively refuse to integrate and assimilate. They want their (backward-thinking) way of life to be established here, and not live like liberal Westerners. Big mistake, its like showing your hosts the middlefinger! Just an example: when members of my family emigrated to the US 150 years ago (!) they did not name their kids Heinrich or Wilhelm, no, it was John and Charles. Today the children of third generation muslims here are still named Ahmed or Mohammed. A very bad sign. Stubborness and deliberate isolation is never a good way to be accepted anywhere.


This is made worse by the enablers in society who say that immigrants need not assimilate.

KLDC10 wrote:
I agree, and that goes back to the point that they have to want to integrate. And if certain people don't want to integrate into a society, it begs the question "why join that society in the first place?"


To reap all the benefits, like healthcare and public assistance. There are, of course, lots of folks who aren't so cynical/selfish and legitimately want to make a better life. But there are also a lot who simply want a free ride.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 11:30 pm

KLDC10 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
A European security official told the Associated Press that Abedi was British. No additional details about Abedi were immediately available.


This is becoming a common problem across Europe - so-called "Home-Grown Terrorism". It is far harder to prevent than it is to prevent extremists from entering the country. You can't prevent the ideology from entering the country if it has been born and bred there. The situation is such that someone may spend their entire life in, say, Birmingham; never going further "abroad" than Yorkshire, and yet still they have become influenced by, and filled with, hatred. The question is how to prevent it? The simple answer: Better integration. But of course people have to want to integrate - you can give a man a fishing rod, but you can't make him use it. "Better integration" is a useful phrase to bandy about, but it is a whole lot more complicated than that.

And of course, the concept of Freedom of Religion is also important. From what I've read, it is particularly important to current British-PM Theresa May; and she has a point. Once you start targeting one religion, then the door is opened (maybe not right away, but perhaps further down the line) to someone else targeting your own. So there's a fine balance to be struck between preserving the right of people to worship as they so choose, but also preventing extremism.


So, tell me, why is it in the West that we're the ones saddled with this great burden of striking a fine balance between preserving the right of people to worship as they so choose, but also preventing extremism, when we do not see the great country of Saudi Arabia struggling to strike a fine balance between preserving the right of people to worship as they so choose, but also preventing extremism....????
 
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Tue May 23, 2017 11:36 pm

AirplaneWizard wrote:
I don't know if you guys have noticed, but majority of these lone wolf attacks are committed by second generation refugees and/or immigrants who migrated upon humanitarian grounds. The first generation moves in and still thinks that they live in the country they just escaped persecution from. They don't teach their kids how to integrate and are even abusive towards their kids. Then, their second generation begin to grow up and face an identity crisis and don't think they belong to their new countries. This makes them easy to be brainwashed completely and commit such astrocities. Brainwashing is so easy when you have social media and other ways of communication to recruit such deranged people. All these acts are signs of horrible mental illnesses.

Once again, President Donald Trump is right. There are millions of people from China, Vietnam, India, Japan and other nations who immigrate and grow up to be great citizens. Yet, those from certain middle eastern nations and North African nations are usually behind such terrible acts of violence. The ban needs to come back. Even Europe should do a temporary ban on people from these high-risk nations. They have taken simply too many people who refuse to integrate and are hell bent on continuing their backwards traditions. After thinking about it, you will never know the impact of so many refugees moving into Europe until their kids become young adults.


Yes, US Immigration controls need to be reset to ONLY bringing in those from countries that have already shown that they assimilate well. As in, what's best for America, and *not* what's best for the immigrant!!!!
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Tue May 23, 2017 11:55 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
So, tell me, why is it in the West that we're the ones saddled with this great burden of striking a fine balance between preserving the right of people to worship as they so choose, but also preventing extremism, when we do not see the great country of Saudi Arabia struggling to strike a fine balance between preserving the right of people to worship as they so choose, but also preventing extremism....????


That's a good question. I suppose it is a case of trying to extend a greater level of tolerance to immigrants than they might extend the other way round. Of course that's a concept which has been quite rightly challenged, but I think it is also about preserving Freedom of Religion in general. The US Constitution does not discriminate between religions.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 12:18 am

On the one hand, it's incredibly moving to see how the city has tried to come together after this.

But on the other hand, I just can't take the calls for us to "carry on as normal" seriously anymore. How do you carry on as normal when someone born and raised in your own city blows himself up outside a concert full of kids and teenagers?

We have the army on the street, we're made to live in a paranoid straitjacket of security that eclipses anything we've seen since the Second World War. The government wants to be able to intrude on virtually all our communication (and boy will that case be even stronger after this). We've already had one revenge attack on a mosque. We daren't travel to certain places anymore for fear we'll be mown down with machine gun.

Face it, the terrorists have already won part of the battle. We live in fear and our country is going to become even more bitter and divided. Our precious liberties will be further eroded and we'll still have to live with the threat of individuals BORN AND RAISED in this country becoming so utterly corrupted they will commit the most abominably sinful acts.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 1:11 am

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I will repeat but Trump is totally wrong. The problem is Saudi Arabia, and he doesn't acknowledge that. Muslims in North Africa are more secular than some muslims in France whose parents or grandparents came from North Africa, why ? Because of clerics sent by Saudi Arabia.
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Aesma, with all due respect, i am not denying the role of the Madrassah in Pakistan, Afghanistan etc... in raising some of those extremists, but i don't recall KSA sending any clerics to Europe

The main responsible party is the UK government, they gave refuge to the leaders of the Muslim brotherhood, the Egyptian government warn them and requested that the UK send them back, to no avail. MB are the core of extremists specially in the UK.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 1:18 am

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GDB wrote:
In breaking news Police have sealed off a large shopping centre in Manchester, some reports of people hearing 'shots'. Too early to say if this is linked.
The PM says the identity of the attacker is thought to be known. (Which might mean 'was on the security services radar').

A lone wolf does seem unlikely at this stage, as this report points out;


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-40012208


The attack was carried out by one person more than likely. It doesn't mean that their wasn't help in making the bomb or financing it. As ISIS has taken the credit, as they always do, we will have to dig in and see if this was a more organized attack, or a just a lone wolf attack with unaffiliated aid.

Apparently they have already learned that it was a sophisticated bomb so they highly suspect that he had a bomb making accomplice.

No surprises what nationality/religion he is... born in the UK to Libyan refugee's... but go on EU let another million in+wait 20 years and you'll get wonderful results like this :banghead:
 
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Wed May 24, 2017 4:33 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
AirplaneWizard wrote:
I don't know if you guys have noticed, but majority of these lone wolf attacks are committed by second generation refugees and/or immigrants who migrated upon humanitarian grounds. The first generation moves in and still thinks that they live in the country they just escaped persecution from. They don't teach their kids how to integrate and are even abusive towards their kids. Then, their second generation begin to grow up and face an identity crisis and don't think they belong to their new countries. This makes them easy to be brainwashed completely and commit such astrocities. Brainwashing is so easy when you have social media and other ways of communication to recruit such deranged people. All these acts are signs of horrible mental illnesses.

Once again, President Donald Trump is right. There are millions of people from China, Vietnam, India, Japan and other nations who immigrate and grow up to be great citizens. Yet, those from certain middle eastern nations and North African nations are usually behind such terrible acts of violence. The ban needs to come back. Even Europe should do a temporary ban on people from these high-risk nations. They have taken simply too many people who refuse to integrate and are hell bent on continuing their backwards traditions. After thinking about it, you will never know the impact of so many refugees moving into Europe until their kids become young adults.


Yes, US Immigration controls need to be reset to ONLY bringing in those from countries that have already shown that they assimilate well. As in, what's best for America, and *not* what's best for the immigrant!!!!


Isn't that the whole reason behind allowing immigrants, you want the best people you can get to benefit you, you don't want immigrants who will be a burden on the host country!
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 4:59 am

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islam is and will be incompatible with the West as currently constituted. And it can't be reformed because it makes their prophet fallible.


Go tell that to all the Muslims just going about their lives peacefully in the UK who would never think of doing a thing like this. Tell it to the Muslim nurses and doctors in Manchester who cared for the wounded. Tell it to the Muslim taxi drivers who showed up to make sure people got home and didn't charge them a thing. They'd probably tell you go to hell (though, being Mancunians, they might use less diplomatic language than that).
 
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Wed May 24, 2017 5:18 am

Mir wrote:
slider wrote:

islam is and will be incompatible with the West as currently constituted. And it can't be reformed because it makes their prophet fallible.


Go tell that to all the Muslims just going about their lives peacefully in the UK who would never think of doing a thing like this. Tell it to the Muslim nurses and doctors in Manchester who cared for the wounded. Tell it to the Muslim taxi drivers who showed up to make sure people got home and didn't charge them a thing. They'd probably tell you go to hell (though, being Mancunians, they might use less diplomatic language than that).


Quite. There are plenty on here who seem to want to do the terrorist's job for them.
And how is that 'I'll destroy ISIS in 30 days' coming from Trump, (though he's shut up about killing their families). Not the place we'll take advice on terrorism from. 43 years ago the IRA created carnage by blowing up pubs, (still dismissed by some in the US today as 'they broke a few windows in England').

Putting troops in to support the police is a new development but one in the planning since the attacks in Paris and Brussels, this however reflects that the UK remains a mostly unarmed force, the military personnel will be under Police command and will free up specialist anti terror officers for more direct tasks, such as street patrols and raids. The military will guard key points.
(Making the police fully armed would be an example of giving in the paranoia and a real 'win' for the terrorists).
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 7:31 am

We're all supposed to be surprised when a country that has an open door immigration policy and forces integration sees this sort of thing happen.
 
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Wed May 24, 2017 8:27 am

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Quite. There are plenty on here who seem to want to do the terrorist's job for them.
And how is that 'I'll destroy ISIS in 30 days' coming from Trump, (though he's shut up about killing their families).

Not the place we'll take advice on terrorism from.


I'd say that Trump Travel Ban, which did include Libya, would have been good advice for the UK.

If the immigrants to the UK aren't going to assimilate, then why bring them in the first place.

Salman Abedi had over 20 years to assimilate!!!!

Your so-called moderate Muslims in the UK, "just living ordinary lives", will likely remain "moderate", with respect to non-Muslims, until such a time as Muslim Hard Liners take control. Muslim takeover in the 21st Century is about Campaigns that last, not for years, but for Generations. When they reach that "critical mass" in the UK, with their birth rates, whenever that turns out to be, well, then it will be too late for the non-Muslims to even think about reversing course.
 
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Wed May 24, 2017 10:17 am

The take-over of the UK is in full-swing. The government and local councils are aiding and abetting by building new homes for them ("housing crisis") and dishing out benefits, Halal-only takeaways are everywhere and women draped in a black sheet are allowed to freely walk the streets. The country is doomed.
 
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Wed May 24, 2017 10:31 am

SOBHI51 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
I will repeat but Trump is totally wrong. The problem is Saudi Arabia, and he doesn't acknowledge that. Muslims in North Africa are more secular than some muslims in France whose parents or grandparents came from North Africa, why ? Because of clerics sent by Saudi Arabia.
.



Aesma, with all due respect, i am not denying the role of the Madrassah in Pakistan, Afghanistan etc... in raising some of those extremists, but i don't recall KSA sending any clerics to Europe

The main responsible party is the UK government, they gave refuge to the leaders of the Muslim brotherhood, the Egyptian government warn them and requested that the UK send them back, to no avail. MB are the core of extremists specially in the UK.



Saudi Arabia is a big part of why Islamic terrorism is such a problem. The ideology that ISIS uses comes from there. I get that you don't want to be overly critical of your own country, but I think you have to acknowledge that there is more they could do to prevent extremists from being 'inspired'.

The UK may share some blame for some of the terrorism, but if they are to blame for what you say they are, why are there attacks everywhere? The situation doesn't really change compared to France or Germany, Muslims are born there, some of them become terrorists. Other religions don't have anywhere near as many problems integrating, so it's something about Islam that has to be looked at.
 
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Wed May 24, 2017 10:41 am

There's no chance of the UK severing ties with KSA as they won't buy our arms or planes anymore. The utter hypocrisy of our government is astounding.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 11:00 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:

I'd say that Trump Travel Ban, which did include Libya, would have been good advice for the UK.


But the guy who did this was from the UK.

Also, his parents had fled from Qaddafi. Why? Maybe we should blame these hardline leaders for making people leave and come here.

winterlight wrote:
The take-over of the UK is in full-swing. The government and local councils are aiding and abetting by building new homes for them ("housing crisis") .


The housing crisis goes way beyond the issue of how many Muslims live here.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 1:26 pm

UltimoTiger777 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:

I'd say that Trump Travel Ban, which did include Libya, would have been good advice for the UK.


But the guy who did this was from the UK.

Also, his parents had fled from Qaddafi. Why? Maybe we should blame these hardline leaders for making people leave and come here.

winterlight wrote:
The take-over of the UK is in full-swing. The government and local councils are aiding and abetting by building new homes for them ("housing crisis") .


The housing crisis goes way beyond the issue of how many Muslims live here.


It's true.. All the housing in the UK is given to Islamo European Lesbo Disabled people...

Also the perp was born in the Uk so the travel ban wouldn't have applied to him anyway.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 2:37 pm

SOBHI51 wrote:
slider wrote:
Another Islamist terror event.
Time for action.

Great, why don't you join any army fighting in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, or you are all talk?


Not my fight. My fight is to keep those people from coming to MY homeland.

Everyone in that sandbox can tear each other to shreds as far as I'm concerned. We've already spilled too much blood and not another single hair on another American head need be harmed. We already know you've had a long track record of sympathizing with the devil, so there's no reasoning with you on this stuff. We'll forever agree to disagree on this and that's fine. The war for Western Civilization is coming due.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 2:39 pm

Mir wrote:
slider wrote:

islam is and will be incompatible with the West as currently constituted. And it can't be reformed because it makes their prophet fallible.


Go tell that to all the Muslims just going about their lives peacefully in the UK who would never think of doing a thing like this. Tell it to the Muslim nurses and doctors in Manchester who cared for the wounded. Tell it to the Muslim taxi drivers who showed up to make sure people got home and didn't charge them a thing. They'd probably tell you go to hell (though, being Mancunians, they might use less diplomatic language than that).



Taqqiya.

I have no doubt there are peaceful practitioners of Islam, but the core tenets of their faith are not compatible with that either, so sayeth their own prophet. Until then, it's a rope-a-dope. And I'm not buying it.
 
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Wed May 24, 2017 3:39 pm

While most Muslims are moderate and harmless, just living their daily lives, that actually makes them "bad Muslims" in the eyes of Islam. They don't abide their everyday life "by the book". It's just like how most Christians all of a sudden become religious around Easter or some other holiday. In other words, they don't follow the religion that deeply. The terrorist groups that literally follow the core teachings of Islam are all deeply religious, and would be the perfect Muslim in the eyes of their prophet. The religion is incompatible, and the fact that most Muslims in Western countries choose not to follow every literal thing it teaches is a good thing for us. If they were all "good Muslims" the way the book teaches, they would all be terrorists.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 4:22 pm

The western countries, especially US & UK need to stop "bringing democracy" and "colour revolutions" to other countries. Libya, Iraq, Syria etc might be dictatorships, but at least they kept the extremists at bay. You go there and topple them under false pretexts, and the islamists sensing an opportunity make a grab for it. Result is endless civil wars, hundreds of thousands killed and refugees streaming into Europe. And what exactly was achieved by toppling those dictatorships? Just brought refugees prone to mindless brainwashing to your doorsteps.

Saudi Arabia is a prime wahabbi evangelist, funding mosques and imams across the world, in India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Europe etc. And their rabid form of islam will lead to consequences like these. They don't allow any other religion into their country, and also fund their radical ideology in all democratic countries taking advantage of the system.

The US join with Saudis to rant against Iran. What an irony! The 9/11, taliban in Afghanistan , supporting rebels and ISIS in Syria and Iraq, everywhere you find Saudi fingerprints. And US calls Iran as terrorist sponsoring country?? Ridiculous that Iran and N Korea were in axis of evil, while the islamic fundamentalists were actually supported by likes of Saudis, Pakistani terrorists, Al-quaida which is fundamentally sunni etc. Go figure!
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 5:15 pm

UltimoTiger777 wrote:
Also, his parents had fled from Qaddafi. Why? Maybe we should blame these hardline leaders for making people leave and come here.

I bet Gaddafi had a good reason to try arrest them. Don't blame the dead dictator when you can blame British officials for letting them in.

blrsea wrote:
The western countries, especially US & UK need to stop "bringing democracy" and "colour revolutions" to other countries. Libya, Iraq, Syria etc might be dictatorships, but at least they kept the extremists at bay. You go there and topple them under false pretexts, and the islamists sensing an opportunity make a grab for it. Result is endless civil wars, hundreds of thousands killed and refugees streaming into Europe. And what exactly was achieved by toppling those dictatorships? Just brought refugees prone to mindless brainwashing to your doorsteps.

Saudi Arabia is a prime wahabbi evangelist, funding mosques and imams across the world, in India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Europe etc. And their rabid form of islam will lead to consequences like these. They don't allow any other religion into their country, and also fund their radical ideology in all democratic countries taking advantage of the system.

The US join with Saudis to rant against Iran. What an irony! The 9/11, taliban in Afghanistan , supporting rebels and ISIS in Syria and Iraq, everywhere you find Saudi fingerprints. And US calls Iran as terrorist sponsoring country?? Ridiculous that Iran and N Korea were in axis of evil, while the islamic fundamentalists were actually supported by likes of Saudis, Pakistani terrorists, Al-quaida which is fundamentally sunni etc. Go figure!


Well said, The Western policy in Islamic world has been truly disastrous for world peace. Western people should rise against their governments to stop this bullshit which is making Europe less safe and increasing the popularity of radical Islam all around the world.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 6:05 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Your so-called moderate Muslims in the UK, "just living ordinary lives", will likely remain "moderate", with respect to non-Muslims, until such a time as Muslim Hard Liners take control. Muslim takeover in the 21st Century is about Campaigns that last, not for years, but for Generations. When they reach that "critical mass" in the UK, with their birth rates, whenever that turns out to be, well, then it will be too late for the non-Muslims to even think about reversing course.


If my country was taken over by religious extremists like the USA is, or Israel, I would be very worried too.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 6:17 pm

Aesma wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
Your so-called moderate Muslims in the UK, "just living ordinary lives", will likely remain "moderate", with respect to non-Muslims, until such a time as Muslim Hard Liners take control. Muslim takeover in the 21st Century is about Campaigns that last, not for years, but for Generations. When they reach that "critical mass" in the UK, with their birth rates, whenever that turns out to be, well, then it will be too late for the non-Muslims to even think about reversing course.


If my country was taken over by religious extremists like the USA is, or Israel, I would be very worried too.


We'll have the Last Laugh over you..
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 6:32 pm

vrbarreto wrote:
UltimoTiger777 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:

I'd say that Trump Travel Ban, which did include Libya, would have been good advice for the UK.


But the guy who did this was from the UK.

Also, his parents had fled from Qaddafi. Why? Maybe we should blame these hardline leaders for making people leave and come here.

winterlight wrote:
The take-over of the UK is in full-swing. The government and local councils are aiding and abetting by building new homes for them ("housing crisis") .


The housing crisis goes way beyond the issue of how many Muslims live here.


It's true.. All the housing in the UK is given to Islamo European Lesbo Disabled people...

Also the perp was born in the Uk so the travel ban wouldn't have applied to him anyway.


I stand corrected, The Trump Travel Ban would not have automatically prevented the terrorists return. Perhaps Extreme vetting would have picked up something...
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 6:45 pm

God, some of the paranoid rantings above really do the job of the terrorists for them. You really don't get it, plus you seem scared of your own shadows.

As expected, the 'take over' one is from the usual suspect, for whom the world seems just shapes, colours and noises.
What o
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 7:39 pm

Home Secretary Amber Rudd has publicly rebuked US Authorities for leaking classified information with regards to this attack. That was yesterday, and now pictures from the crime scene have been leaked. This is disgraceful, and it is putting lives at risk by jeopardizing an ongoing operation.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 8:12 pm

slider wrote:
SOBHI51 wrote:
slider wrote:
Another Islamist terror event.
Time for action.

Great, why don't you join any army fighting in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, or you are all talk?


Not my fight. My fight is to keep those people from coming to MY homeland.

Everyone in that sandbox can tear each other to shreds as far as I'm concerned. We've already spilled too much blood and not another single hair on another American head need be harmed. We already know you've had a long track record of sympathizing with the devil, so there's no reasoning with you on this stuff. We'll forever agree to disagree on this and that's fine. The war for Western Civilization is coming due.


A lie if i ever read one, i challenge you to show where i sympathized with the devil.
Your bigotry is well known, i would not try to reason with you either. But don't accuse me of being something i am not so you can justify your hatred.
am all for fighting against those fundamentalists not only for the future of western civilization but for the future of the world not only
I want to add one thing, With your way of thinking, you forgot that there is more to the world than western civilization, the fight should be against all kind of fundamentalism.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 8:37 pm

MrHMSH wrote:
SOBHI51 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
I will repeat but Trump is totally wrong. The problem is Saudi Arabia, and he doesn't acknowledge that. Muslims in North Africa are more secular than some muslims in France whose parents or grandparents came from North Africa, why ? Because of clerics sent by Saudi Arabia.
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Aesma, with all due respect, i am not denying the role of the Madrassah in Pakistan, Afghanistan etc... in raising some of those extremists, but i don't recall KSA sending any clerics to Europe

The main responsible party is the UK government, they gave refuge to the leaders of the Muslim brotherhood, the Egyptian government warn them and requested that the UK send them back, to no avail. MB are the core of extremists specially in the UK.



Saudi Arabia is a big part of why Islamic terrorism is such a problem. The ideology that ISIS uses comes from there. I get that you don't want to be overly critical of your own country, but I think you have to acknowledge that there is more they could do to prevent extremists from being 'inspired'.

The UK may share some blame for some of the terrorism, but if they are to blame for what you say they are, why are there attacks everywhere? The situation doesn't really change compared to France or Germany, Muslims are born there, some of them become terrorists. Other religions don't have anywhere near as many problems integrating, so it's something about Islam that has to be looked at.


I agree in part to what you say, KSA must do more to stop the spread of , i hope that what was agreed with president Trump lately will really be implemented, one thing for sure that must be done is to stop any funds from getting to ISIS.

I don't like to talk about other religions, but if you look around you will notice that they also have problems integrating. Jews for example, with all due respect.
With all the new ways of communication, ideas spread all over the world fast. A control on those will also help.
It's not easy but we all should unit to fight ISIS and whoever uses religion to commit acts of violence, KSA has a big part in this war.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Wed May 24, 2017 9:10 pm

pvjin wrote:
I bet Gaddafi had a good reason to try arrest them. Don't blame the dead dictator when you can blame British officials for letting them in.


Be very careful with that argument. While it may be the case he did, in countries like that, just not agreeing with the person running it is considered a "good reason".
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Thu May 25, 2017 4:19 am

KLDC10 wrote:
Home Secretary Amber Rudd has publicly rebuked US Authorities for leaking classified information with regards to this attack. That was yesterday, and now pictures from the crime scene have been leaked. This is disgraceful, and it is putting lives at risk by jeopardizing an ongoing operation.


So only Syrian gassing "crime scenes" should be widely played???
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Thu May 25, 2017 7:14 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
KLDC10 wrote:
Home Secretary Amber Rudd has publicly rebuked US Authorities for leaking classified information with regards to this attack. That was yesterday, and now pictures from the crime scene have been leaked. This is disgraceful, and it is putting lives at risk by jeopardizing an ongoing operation.


So only Syrian gassing "crime scenes" should be widely played???


No. You miss the point by a wide mark. The US leaked the bombers name to the media before U.K. Authorities were ready for this information to be made public as raids on connections with the bomber were still being carried out, could and may have significantly hampered the ongoing investigation, losing the initiative. And publishing sensitive images of the bomb and details of where the victims were standing when they were killed achieves nothing.

Anyway, it's on all the UK TV networks right now that UK intelligence sharing regarding this terror investigation has now ceased with immediate effect. Well done USA!!!
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Thu May 25, 2017 7:31 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
KLDC10 wrote:
Home Secretary Amber Rudd has publicly rebuked US Authorities for leaking classified information with regards to this attack. That was yesterday, and now pictures from the crime scene have been leaked. This is disgraceful, and it is putting lives at risk by jeopardizing an ongoing operation.


So only Syrian gassing "crime scenes" should be widely played???


No, it is about trust and now the lack of it. From Trump blurting stuff out, to what is in effect an interference in the investigations by the British police and security service by a bunch of show-boating from across the pond. It perhaps should not be surprising given that the White House is in chaos, with many unfilled posts and many of the filled ones going to idiots, the war between the WH and the intelligence services in the US - now THAT should worry people in the US about their security.

As well as the fact that this like many investigations is spreading across nations, so requires intel agencies to work together - something that has prevented many previous attacks. Lose that trust, we are all more vulnerable.

If this situation was reversed there would be genuine anger from more sensible US lawmakers, as well as screams for 'Brit Boycotts' and more from the clowns as lawmakers.
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Thu May 25, 2017 11:02 am

winterlight wrote:
The take-over of the UK is in full-swing.
News to me and I spend a lot of time in the UK.
winterlight wrote:
The government and local councils are aiding and abetting by building new homes for them ("housing crisis")
The same housing crisis brought about mainly by an increased divorce rate and the resulting increase in single person households? Or is this a different housing crisis?
winterlight wrote:
and dishing out benefits,
yes, it is true that the level of Muslim employment in the UK is lower than that for the general population, Would you employ a Muslim? if not you are simply furthering that statistic.
winterlight wrote:
Halal-only takeaways are everywhere
I have not seen one. Do other peoples diets scare you?
winterlight wrote:
and women draped in a black sheet are allowed to freely walk the streets.
Freely walking the streets in clothing that they choose to wear????/!!!!! How dare they take advantage of this freedom malarkey their men folk should lock them away!!!
winterlight wrote:
The country is doomed.
Oh dear, it may well be but its more than likely due to pr1ck5 like you!

My thoughts of course are with those having to deal with the devastating losses and life changing injuries both mental and physical, those feeling will last a long time and we need to ensure that the support is there for the future and not just while it rolls along the bottom of whichever rolling news channel we are watching.

Fred
 
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Re: Fatal blasts at Manchester Arena

Thu May 25, 2017 3:28 pm

SOBHI51 wrote:
slider wrote:
SOBHI51 wrote:
Great, why don't you join any army fighting in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, or you are all talk?


Not my fight. My fight is to keep those people from coming to MY homeland.

Everyone in that sandbox can tear each other to shreds as far as I'm concerned. We've already spilled too much blood and not another single hair on another American head need be harmed. We already know you've had a long track record of sympathizing with the devil, so there's no reasoning with you on this stuff. We'll forever agree to disagree on this and that's fine. The war for Western Civilization is coming due.


A lie if i ever read one, i challenge you to show where i sympathized with the devil.
Your bigotry is well known, i would not try to reason with you either. But don't accuse me of being something i am not so you can justify your hatred.
am all for fighting against those fundamentalists not only for the future of western civilization but for the future of the world not only
I want to add one thing, With your way of thinking, you forgot that there is more to the world than western civilization, the fight should be against all kind of fundamentalism.


Nice slander. Appreciate that. And the mods let you spew your rhetoric and vitriol like this.

Fundamentalism isn't the problem, BTW, if you're an advocate of fundamental liberty, freedom and human rights. Islam is diametrically opposed to that notion by its very nature. THIS is what you refuse to comprehend and deny.

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