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Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Sun May 28, 2017 7:24 pm

Europe can no longer "completely depend" on the US and UK following the election of President Trump and Brexit, German Chancellor Angela Merkel says.

Mrs Merkel said she wanted friendly relations with both countries as well as Russia but Europe now had to "fight for its own destiny".
It follows the G7's failure to commit to the 2015 Paris climate deal, talks Mrs Merkel said were "very difficult".
President Trump has said he will make a decision in the coming week.
"The times in which we could completely depend on others are on the way out. I've experienced that in the last few days," Mrs Merkel told a crowd at an election rally in Munich, southern Germany.



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40078183

Good for the EU, let's grow, internally and on the world stage. Trump's America clearly has its back to the world and isn't interested in it. So never waste a good crisis and make the EU work again for everyone. With Merkel and Macron at the helm, we are on the right path.
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Sun May 28, 2017 8:03 pm

It seems like Nato will Change in the future with members like US, UK, EU, NO etc if we read the signals correct.

EU after brexit will define its foreign policy and military it seem like.
 
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Sun May 28, 2017 8:53 pm

Trump has set in motion something that will be extremely detrimental to US interests in the future.
 
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Sun May 28, 2017 8:58 pm

salttee wrote:
Trump has set in motion something that will be extremely detrimental to US interests in the future.


True, but I think the next president might turn things around again, so might not be permanent damage.
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Sun May 28, 2017 9:20 pm

This sums it up.

"Thanks to Trump, Germany says it can’t rely on the United States. What does that mean?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... 3108a94647
 
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Sun May 28, 2017 10:38 pm

11725Flyer wrote:
This sums it up.

"Thanks to Trump, Germany says it can’t rely on the United States. What does that mean?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... 3108a94647


The article is labeled as "Analysis", which means it is the biased personal opinion of someone acceptable to the Washington Post.

I found it amusing that the photo accompanying the article shows Chancellor Merkel with her snout deep in a stein.
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Mon May 29, 2017 12:47 am

Merkel - "The times in which we could completely depend on others are on the way out."

Translation - "The times in which we could get away with not spending the treaty-obligated amount of money on our military are on the way out."

Good.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 12:55 am

Now we can all know exactly what it was like arguing with National Socialists in 1934.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 1:35 am

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Translation - "The times in which we could get away with not spending the treaty-obligated amount of money on our military are on the way out."

Good.


Which imaginary treaty are you talking about?

salttee wrote:
Now we can all know exactly what it was like arguing with National Socialists in 1934.


Maybe Trump has a bullet point version of "Mein Kampf"

Dutchy wrote:
salttee wrote:
Trump has set in motion something that will be extremely detrimental to US interests in the future.


True, but I think the next president might turn things around again, so might not be permanent damage.


Once the focus swings from NATO, non-binding defense group, to EU, binding mural defense requirement, that won't go back. Right now as per policy the EU doesn't dublicate NATO institutions. That may change and stay changed.

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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Mon May 29, 2017 1:35 am

BobPatterson wrote:
11725Flyer wrote:
This sums it up.

"Thanks to Trump, Germany says it can’t rely on the United States. What does that mean?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... 3108a94647


The article is labeled as "Analysis", which means it is the biased personal opinion of someone acceptable to the Washington Post.

I found it amusing that the photo accompanying the article shows Chancellor Merkel with her snout deep in a stein.


Fair enough. Here's an article that is not an "analysis."

"Merkel, After Discordant G-7 Meeting, Is Looking Past Trump"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/28/worl ... .html?_r=0
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 1:38 am

11725Flyer wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
11725Flyer wrote:
This sums it up.

"Thanks to Trump, Germany says it can’t rely on the United States. What does that mean?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... 3108a94647


The article is labeled as "Analysis", which means it is the biased personal opinion of someone acceptable to the Washington Post.

I found it amusing that the photo accompanying the article shows Chancellor Merkel with her snout deep in a stein.


Fair enough. Here's an article that is not an "analysis."

"Merkel, After Discordant G-7 Meeting, Is Looking Past Trump"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/28/worl ... .html?_r=0


Putin is probably going to die of liver malfunction, considering all the Champagne he must be having over the success of project Trump.

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Mon May 29, 2017 1:40 am

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Putin is probably going to die of liver malfunction, considering all the Champagne he must be having over the success of project Trump.

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It will be very interesting in the coming months as the investigations proceed concerning Russian influence in the recent U.S. elections. Fasten your seat belt.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 1:48 am

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. Fasten your seat belt.


Putin has enough of the Republican party in his pocket as well, there won't be much happening before the mid terms.
But then again, Trump said himself that 2nd ammendment people can do something about traitors, maybe that will backfire.

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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Mon May 29, 2017 1:52 am

11725Flyer wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
11725Flyer wrote:
This sums it up.

"Thanks to Trump, Germany says it can’t rely on the United States. What does that mean?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... 3108a94647


The article is labeled as "Analysis", which means it is the biased personal opinion of someone acceptable to the Washington Post.

I found it amusing that the photo accompanying the article shows Chancellor Merkel with her snout deep in a stein.


Fair enough. Here's an article that is not an "analysis."

"Merkel, After Discordant G-7 Meeting, Is Looking Past Trump"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/28/worl ... .html?_r=0


That is certainly not a straight news story, if that is what you are trying to imply. It contains "analysis" or, perhaps better stated as, "opinion". It was purposely written to achieve a goal. The article did do a decent job of reporting French President Macron's views which were less strident than those of Mrs. Merkel.
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Mon May 29, 2017 2:41 am

NATO's original intents were to unify Western Europe to keep out the USSR. It has always been effectively controlled by the USA for pretty much since it creation since shortly after the end of WWII. With the fall of the USSR it has taken almost all of the former USSR republics and countries they controlled and occupied in Eastern Europe and beyond with Turkey. Still the USA wants to control what is left of the USSR, that is modern Russia, for its political and economic interests. \
That is in conflict with most of Europe, that relies on Russia for much of their natural gas and wants to do business with Russia without the USA putting in sanctions for its interests. Most of the EU doesn't want to expand to include Turkey. Basically Germany and other EU countries want to push of the control of the USA via NATO as to their business with Russia. At the end, that is Merkel's goal. It is also good for Merkel to look strong in her and her party's election this fall to look like the EU can be in control, not the USA, of Europe.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 3:11 am

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Still the USA wants to control what is left of the USSR, that is modern Russia, for its political and economic interests.

That is an extreme falsehood. There is no faction in the US that gives a shit about Russia per se. However Russia's continuing paranoid behavior coupled with their invasion of a neighbor has gained it attention recently. The United States does have an interest in places like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Sweden and therefore the Baltic republics. Russia's recent behavior has called attention to itself as being a possible threat to nations we do care about.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 3:38 am

Nothing lasts forever, not even the earth and stars. The relationship between europe and the US may well have simply run its course. I think its high time that NATO be disbanded and the EU take over all of their foreign policy and military affairs. The continent represents an increasingly heavy burden with continually diminishing returns for the US and apparently the euros aren't happy anymore either. Lets cut bait and move on. I know that long term the US is better off without europe. I don't know if the reverse is true but I don't really care either. No doubt feelings are mutual on the other side of the pond as well.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 3:51 am

NoTime wrote:
Merkel - "The times in which we could completely depend on others are on the way out."

Translation - "The times in which we could get away with not spending the treaty-obligated amount of money on our military are on the way out.
Good.


Not so good. Until Deadbeat Donald won the Electoral College it was possible for Europe (and a lot of other countries) to have a level of confidence in the US. Not only did Europe benefit, but the US benefitted as well, plus we did not have WW III.

Now we have the most unreliable national leader in the world and many dangers have been put back on the table, starting with Korea and extending to Europe.

One hopes that the UK and Europe put on very aggressive marketing program (with special pricing) to bring in more and more US tourists. I am a strong believer (from experience) that we become closer to countries when we take the time to visit them. And those trips can reinforce our relations with nations - like when we visited the American Cemetery at Normandy last year.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 4:18 am

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With the fall of the USSR it has taken almost all of the former USSR republics
The USSR split into 15 republics, out of which only 3 are currently NATO members (Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania) and a further 2 are being courted as members (Georgia and Ukraine). I'm guessing you're referring to the former Warsaw Pact out of which the USSR was a member with several "independent" republics which then joined NATO (Albania, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania, and if we're gonna get technical, East Germany).
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Mon May 29, 2017 4:28 am

einsteinboricua wrote:
, and if we're gonna get technical, East Germany).


Practically, as the territory or the GDR is now within NATO, techically the GDR seized to exist.

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Mon May 29, 2017 4:36 am

Flaps wrote:
Nothing lasts forever, not even the earth and stars. The relationship between europe and the US may well have simply run its course. I think its high time that NATO be disbanded and the EU take over all of their foreign policy and military affairs. The continent represents an increasingly heavy burden with continually diminishing returns for the US and apparently the euros aren't happy anymore either. Lets cut bait and move on. I know that long term the US is better off without europe. I don't know if the reverse is true but I don't really care either. No doubt feelings are mutual on the other side of the pond as well.
So you're happy with the US flushing its influence in European affairs down the toilet. What a forward thinking policy guy you are!

BTW
NATO is no "burden" on the US taxpayer. The US is committed to being the premier military power on the planet, withdrawing from NATO isn't going to change that. If anything it will add the the US self imposed military burden.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 4:51 am

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Merkel - "The times in which we could completely depend on others are on the way out."

Translation - "The times in which we could get away with not spending the treaty-obligated amount of money on our military are on the way out."

Good.


There is no such treaty and no such binding agreement. Sorry, but Americans have been purposly misled to beleave this for so long that you actually think that this is true. It's not.

Might add:

The USA ows alot of money to many of it's NATO alies that Trump just insultet. Many of these NATO allies are actually considerable creditors. It's not only Saudi Arabia, China and Russia, the USA lends money from, yet Trump is only chummy with the Saudis and Russians ...

http://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/mfh.txt
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 5:00 am

Good news, if it means the US taxpayer must no longer pay for the defence of Germany. Think what you want about Trump, but he is getting things done.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 5:11 am

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Good news, if it means the US taxpayer must no longer pay for the defence of Germany. Think what you want about Trump, but he is getting things done.


... the US tax payer may be a little surprised if the rent free, bases build on the Germans taxpayers dime time is over, which is the ultimate consequence of Trumps (lack of) negotiating skills. Heck, even his weird handshakes are on the level of a 14 year old boy that can't get laid and turn to "how to be a player" tutorials on Youtube.

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Mon May 29, 2017 5:15 am

Dutchy wrote:
salttee wrote:
Trump has set in motion something that will be extremely detrimental to US interests in the future.


True, but I think the next president might turn things around again, so might not be permanent damage.


I don't think this is reversible.
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Mon May 29, 2017 5:25 am

tommy1808 wrote:
seahawk wrote:
Good news, if it means the US taxpayer must no longer pay for the defence of Germany. Think what you want about Trump, but he is getting things done.


... the US tax payer may be a little surprised if the rent free, bases build on the Germans taxpayers dime time is over, which is the ultimate consequence of Trumps (lack of) negotiating skills. Heck, even his weird handshakes are on the level of a 14 year old boy that can't get laid and turn to "how to be a player" tutorials on Youtube.

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If Trump says the US is paying, it must be true.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 6:14 am

HoooH WheeeEEh !
I have this warm and fuzzy feeling this morning that - at last - things are moving the way I hoped they would : Europe is back !
Thank you, thank you thank you Donald and Theresa, you managed to do what thousands of us militant Europeans haven't been able to achieve : push the EU policy toward a tighter union, more cooperation around a common, well defined defence policy.
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Mon May 29, 2017 6:42 am

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Good news, if it means the US taxpayer must no longer pay for the defence of Germany. Think what you want about Trump, but he is getting things done.


LOL, what a joke. The US bases in Germany do Little to nothing concerning the defence of Germany. Ramstein and Spangdahlem are logistic bases, necessary for the Support of other bases in not so political stable and secure areas like western Europe. Same goes for the Army HQ in Wiesbaden.
Germany is a politically stable Country with excellent Relations to it's immediate neighbours. We are neither over policed not overly militarized. We had that and we don't want to have that again.

trump has accomplished a lot of things on his first trip outside the country as POTUS:

He fuelled the unstable political Region in the ME by supporting Saudi Arabia and further alienating Iran, not realizing the signes send out by the vors.

He has made a fool of him self by fnding Yad Vashem "amazing"

He made a fool of himself in Brussels as a bully Boy, shoving way his pers. He could at least have asked or sid "' 'cuse me".

He kicked himself out of the G7 Group, which now is G6 plus one.

He has amazingly little knowledge of how internaional relations and Business works. He does not listen which is bad since he could larn a lot if he would consider different opinions. His "Make America Great Again" can easily turn against the USA that way. He should know that the US car makers have a 18% market share in Germany whilst German car makers have only less than 8% in the US. He should be Aware that BW, to mentione one, is the biggest exprter of cars in the USA and that German industry Investments in the US (that is Money flowng back from DE to US) is by far larger than US Investment in Germany

The next Meeting will be thG20 summit a Hamburg in July. Or may be the G19 plus one or just the G19. We ll see. Mrs. Merkels reaction was excellent and a quick result based on the stupid behaviour of the US President
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Mon May 29, 2017 6:51 am

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Now we can all know exactly what it was like arguing with National Socialists in 1934.


What exactly do you mean with your reference to NAZI Germany? Who is who and how does your parallel work?
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Mon May 29, 2017 6:52 am

I think the criticism of Trump is wrong. He is a unique politician, probably the US president many have been waiting for since decades. He is a president who is changing the way the world is seeing the US and it is amazing. Nobody has done more to move away from the post cold war monopolar world than Trump in the short time he is president.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 6:56 am

Back from holidays in Corsica to discover that Trump is the biggest gift the EU could get. He will make us save several years building the EU :)

I watched him talking to the us military base in Sicily the other day and it was as good as 5 years old doing a trip advisor report.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 7:09 am

seahawk wrote:
I think the criticism of Trump is wrong. He is a unique politician, probably the US president many have been waiting for since decades. He is a president who is changing the way the world is seeing the US and it is amazing. Nobody has done more to move away from the post cold war monopolar world than Trump in the short time he is president.


You may be right. Finally the vast majority of the US population have a president who shares their intellectual level. That is, indeed, unique.
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Mon May 29, 2017 7:14 am

PanHAM wrote:
seahawk wrote:
I think the criticism of Trump is wrong. He is a unique politician, probably the US president many have been waiting for since decades. He is a president who is changing the way the world is seeing the US and it is amazing. Nobody has done more to move away from the post cold war monopolar world than Trump in the short time he is president.


You may be right. Finally the vast majority of the US population have a president who shares their intellectual level. That is, indeed, unique.


Well, I would put it differently, Trump achieves with ease in weeks what G.W. Bush failed to achieve during his whole term. That is quite amazing.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 7:19 am

What did he achieve? If you talk about the NATO budget you are as gullible as the average redneck. The deal was made in 2014 to reach the 2 % budget for each country in 2024. Nothing has changed.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 7:33 am

I think he has achieved many things that most would have seen as impossible a year ago. Now, if the wall gets built and immigration gets under control, he has done more than I ever hoped for. His term will be remembered as the presidency which changed the world.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 7:49 am

...the presidency which changed the world.
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Mon May 29, 2017 7:59 am

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What did he achieve? If you talk about the NATO budget you are as gullible as the average redneck. The deal was made in 2014 to reach the 2 % budget for each country in 2024. Nothing has changed.


And even less binding than the Paris agreement, as it wasn't "2% by 2024", but "working towards a goal of 2% within 10 years".

Pihero wrote:
...the presidency which changed the world.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Well.. its not wrong. It is already changing the world, China got more powerful and will probavly be the lead nation in whatever replaces TPP, and needing and/or relaying on the US or defense less will probably change a lot in the EU-US relations. Bilateral investment treaties may be enforced stricker than they are today. Trump making policies that harm EU investments in the US... the US taxpayer may end up paying for the damage done, overerflight and staging rights may be handled much striker and so on...

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Mon May 29, 2017 8:03 am

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...the presidency which changed the world.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


More than any other since president since Lincoln.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 8:17 am

Your understanding of history is tremendously / awsomely incredible, seahawk.
I'm flabbergasted.

Tommy1808 :
" It is already changing the world, China got more powerful and will probavly be the lead nation in whatever replaces TPP, and needing and/or relaying on the US or defense less will probably change a lot in the EU-US relations."
Yes, seen that way, you are quite right...

Now, I have to ,go out to do some flyers distribution for our general election : if we could give Macron a majority, he'll manage his plans for the country and prepare France for a stronger EU. Our relative weakness, economy-wise is the only obstacle I can see.
Let's do something about it.
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Mon May 29, 2017 8:24 am

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I think the criticism of Trump is wrong. He is a unique politician, probably the US president many have been waiting for since decades. He is a president who is changing the way the world is seeing the US and it is amazing. Nobody has done more to move away from the post cold war monopolar world than Trump in the short time he is president.


You got one of these statements correct, however I think you'd like to think he's making a postive impact on the outside world, making American great again, but all he's really done is turn the Office of The President and the US into a laughing stock, the butt of late night tv comedians, nobody takes him or the US seriously anymore.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 8:34 am

I understand Trump finds it 'bad, very bad' that German companies are selling cars in the US. More cars, it would seem, than US companies do in Europe. Apart from the not so insignificant fact, of course, that GM owns Opel, which sell rather a lot of cars in Germany. But, never mind that, something needs to be done to all those Audi's, BMW's, Merc's and Porsche's!

It couldn't possible have anything to do with the fact that the US3 cars are, by and large, utterly inferior in an international competition and that the German autoindustry, on the other hand, produce the finest cars this planet has on offer? I wonder if a ban would be enough, or if another wall is in need of being built?
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Mon May 29, 2017 8:43 am

Kiwirob wrote:
seahawk wrote:
I think the criticism of Trump is wrong. He is a unique politician, probably the US president many have been waiting for since decades. He is a president who is changing the way the world is seeing the US and it is amazing. Nobody has done more to move away from the post cold war monopolar world than Trump in the short time he is president.


You got one of these statements correct, however I think you'd like to think he's making a postive impact on the outside world, making American great again, but all he's really done is turn the Office of The President and the US into a laughing stock, the butt of late night tv comedians, nobody takes him or the US seriously anymore.


Change is neutral. Some might fancy his position, some might hate it, but the world will be different after his term. If he should do 2 terms, the world will be very different at the end of the second term. America and America´s role in the world will be different. What imho is certain, is that the monopolar US centric world will be over.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 8:44 am

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I understand Trump finds it 'bad, very bad' that German companies are selling cars in the US. More cars, it would seem, than US companies do in Europe. Apart from the not so insignificant fact, of course, that GM owns Opel, which sell rather a lot of cars in Germany. But, never mind that, something needs to be done to all those Audi's, BMW's, Merc's and Porsche's!

It couldn't possible have anything to do with the fact that the US3 cars are, by and large, utterly inferior in an international competition and that the German autoindustry, on the other hand, produce the finest cars this planet has on offer? I wonder if a ban would be enough, or if another wall is in need of being built?


and don´t forget that Germany (or basically European Car Manufacturers) have all those rules, policies and taxes that according to republican wisdom, an Oxymoron i know, make an economy noncompetitive.

And of course it has nothing to do with Volkswagen spending about as much money on R&D as GM and Ford do combined, with Daimler spending about as much as Ford on top and BMW trailing little behind.

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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Mon May 29, 2017 8:52 am

I guess someone should memo Trump that he's no longer leader of the free world. This makes me sad, but what can one expect when the US puts someone like Trump into office. What a disaster. At least Merkel is competent and i wish her success in her new role as leader of the free world.
 
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Mon May 29, 2017 9:10 am

DLFREEBIRD wrote:
I guess someone should memo Trump that he's no longer leader of the free world. This makes me sad, but what can one expect when the US puts someone like Trump into office. What a disaster. At least Merkel is competent and i wish her success in her new role as leader of the free world.


Already done ;-)

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ump-214924
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Mon May 29, 2017 9:15 am

tommy1808 wrote:
and don´t forget that Germany (or basically European Car Manufacturers) have all those rules, policies and taxes that according to republican wisdom, an Oxymoron i know, make an economy noncompetitive.


Well not anymore, the EU can and will start testing cars, cars whom aren't up to standard, the manufacturer can be fined up to 30k per car. Good for the EU
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Mon May 29, 2017 9:37 am

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Merkel - "The times in which we could completely depend on others are on the way out."

Translation - "The times in which we could get away with not spending the treaty-obligated amount of money on our military are on the way out."

Good.


The question being, is the time of US military bases sparkled all over Europe also on the way out ?
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Mon May 29, 2017 9:38 am

Aesma wrote:
NoTime wrote:
Merkel - "The times in which we could completely depend on others are on the way out."

Translation - "The times in which we could get away with not spending the treaty-obligated amount of money on our military are on the way out."

Good.


The question being, is the time of US military bases sparkled all over Europe also on the way out ?


They can start with the nuclear weapons on Dutch soil, at Volkel AB.
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Mon May 29, 2017 10:01 am

Dutchy wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
and don´t forget that Germany (or basically European Car Manufacturers) have all those rules, policies and taxes that according to republican wisdom, an Oxymoron i know, make an economy noncompetitive.


Well not anymore, the EU can and will start testing cars, cars whom aren't up to standard, the manufacturer can be fined up to 30k per car. Good for the EU


Extremely good for the EU. However, it seems that the cheating software was not used because standards couldn't be matched otherwide, but to make production a few cents cheaper, as the fix is a software patch and few cents plastic part to improve the air flow.
And I was more refering to high income and effective corporate taxes, extensive welfare system, universal healthcare, highly unionised industry, expensive energy, free education and such...

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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Mon May 29, 2017 11:44 am

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What exactly do you mean with your reference to NAZI Germany?

Look at the two posts preceding that post, it should be obvious.

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