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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:10 am

About as much as criminal idiot socialists in France circa 5/1968, which is nothing.
 
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:26 am

LOT767301ER wrote:
Actually that is the relevant discussion. How much of that 3,something% of the US GDP spent on military spending is America's contribution to a better and more free world and how much is the result of a bloated economic/military complex with an ever growing top brass getting banana republic dictator perks and the revolving door between the military and the Lockheed-Martins of the world.

All over the world militaries are getting leaner and better at specific jobs. Maybe it's time the US learns to take on those challenges like everyone else instead of relying on all those 3star+ generals basically working as full-time lobbyists to keep the money pipeline open.

And I won't get into the partisan discussions on reserve vs National Guard, why doesn't the Navy swallow the Coast Guard or the endless squabbling between army, marines and air force for missions and resources.


Are you suggesting the US military isnt the most specialized force on this planet? The US military probably invents and tests more new cutting edge weapons systems than the rest of the world combined.


Not just specialized. Leaner and more specialized.

Just throwing money is a lazy way to sustain the military. It's not a matter of spending this or that much, but spending it right.

That means downsizing somewhere, projects getting the axe and the kind of accountability that's usually missing from military projects.
 
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:38 am

Regarding the military, European partners have tried to shape their armies to make them more compatible with the US and the wishes of the US. Until the end of the Cold War it was an all local defence set-up with heavy weapons designed to stop the Soviet onslaught. Then the forces were re-designed to match the out-of-area needs and went smaller and lighter, now the evil Russian bear is back and suddenly the heavy forces are back in demand. No European army ever had the size of the US forces and they never had as much capabilities. Even the big armies like France and the UK always lacked in one regard or the other and neither was fully capable of expeditionary ops and fully capable of fielding large heavy forces in the same time.
 
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:49 am

Lot :
"About as much as criminal idiot socialists in France circa 5/1968, which is nothing."

Before we went forward, I'd like to clear something : my comment was addressed to Mercure's post.
As far as *poetry* is concerned, you, Lot, have failed, miserably.

And yes, your grasp of history is , to say the least, shaky : You claim US superiority on weapons and might, fine. You advocate the alliance, ok.
But, IIRC , there was a small conference in a small town called Yalta in the mid-forties in which three powers divided the world into slices between themselves and you were gifted to uncle Jo, didn't you ? ... with the blessing of FDR and WC if my senile memory is still there...
That's the ally you grovel to, the power for which you shamelessly beg money from the EU in order to buy their superior weaponry... we know.

But maybe things are changing : Donald doesn't seem to be really keen on defending you ( didn't say anything about article 5 of the Organisation, did he ?... and some circles in the EU are seriously 7 that would strip you of any voting rights for talking about a revision of the Cohesion funds and even a possibility of triggering a TFEU article for your non- adherence to democratic standards, especially the diminishing powers of your judiciary system.

Contrary to your post WW2 experience, the door of the EU is quite open, both ways : There is a feeling in quite a few EU spheres that they are coming close to exasperation with Poland and Hungary.

The least that could happen is a two-tier EU... You are quite free in your choice, really.

What I see is that for the past forty years, there is a very good chance of making some real, meaningful progress toward a united Europe... It will have to start with defence and the Eurozone... and I have to say, you aren't part of either... strange ... :scratchchin:

You know what ?
I understand your history, hence your feelings : you hate Russia, but it's not - any longer - the Soviet Union which disappeared in the early nineties... You hate Germany, but it's not, has never been, the third Reich... but you are ar§e-ki§§ing those countries which sold you into slavery, which haven't changed a bit in their policy since 1941... isn't there a little paradox ?
Now, these countries will not matter a lot for your defence...

I have a feeling there's a choice to make in the wise-grad countries.

Soon... very soon...
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:57 am

seahawk wrote:
Regarding the military, European partners have tried to shape their armies to make them more compatible with the US and the wishes of the US.


Not a lot has changed : for instance, in Belgium, there is still the possibility of the FAéB warplanes to carry nuclear weapons, possibility that only exists with US systems... so Belgium will be buying planes from the USA just for that extremely remote happening.
I guess the same reason exists for other countries, but I do not have sources.
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:18 am

LOT767301ER wrote:
I dont give a crap about one's words, I care about what someone does. There is far more precedence in the US saying its going to stay out of it and bailing someone in Europe out than the French saying that they will help and yet they sit around and watch whole swathes of Europe fall.


What did the US do in 1914 ? Nothing.

What did the US do in 1939 ? Nothing.

When did the US liberate Poland ? Never.
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:04 pm

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LOL Europe is where it's always been, at center stage. It's currently the US that's the diminishing entity. Asia is rising, Europe expands as the old comintern countries gain their footing, while the US declines in significance; that's the reality.


I don't know what Europe you live in, but in mine the continent is rapidly on the decline.

If for no other reason we are shrinking demographically and economically compared to others. Europe's place in has long come and gone and no longer center stage except in the desperate minds of folks like Merkel.

Fault the US as you wish, I still see it as a significantly more dynamic nation with much more important presence on world stage and economic power.
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:52 pm

Meanwhile in the Netherlands, prisons are closing because the country is so safe!
In 2013, 19 prisons in the Netherlands closed because the country didn't have enough criminals to fill them. Now, five more are slated to close their doors by the end of the summer, according to internal documents obtained by The Telegraaf.

While these closures will result in the loss of nearly 2,000 jobs, only 700 of which will transition into other unknown roles within Dutch law enforcement, the trend of closing prisons follows a steady drop in crime since 2004.

A number of factors underlie the Netherlands' ability to keep its crime rate so low, namely, relaxed drug laws, a focus on rehabilitation over punishment, and an electronic ankle monitoring system that allows people to re-enter the workforce.

These measures all add up to an unbelievably low incarceration rate: Although the Netherlands has a population of 17 million, only 11,600 people are locked up. That's a rate of 69 incarcerations per 100,000 people. The US, meanwhile, has a rate of 716 per 100,000 — the highest in the world. It's marked largely by its lack of attention to social services and rehabilitation programmes once prisoners finish their sentences.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... ebook-post

What a hell hole! :rotfl:

tommy1808 wrote:
Oh, that is why she gets reelected all the time. Because she is so bad.... right...


A 60% approval rating after ten years in office is mighty impressive! Meanwhile LOT767's beloved Donnie is can't even make 40% despite being in office less than 200 days. :rotfl:

Date 10.03.2017

A poll for public broadcaster ARD found Chancellor Angela Merkel's approval rating hit its highest point since her 2015 decision to open the country's borders to refugees.
According to the monthly "Deutschlandtrend" survey published on Thursday the CDU leader gained five percentage points to reach a 60 percent approval rating.


http://www.dw.com/en/chancellor-merkels ... a-37882442

tommy1808 wrote:
We have plenty of Airports that are open 24/7 thank you very much.

Can confirm; flew into CDG well after midnight a few weeks ago (thanks SAS :roll:).

LOT767301ER wrote:
the hilarity that is FRA's curfew.

Even despite being closed six hours(?) each night, FRA still manages to be a significantly better airport than any major hub in North America. :rotfl: It's efficiency (and that of its primary occupant) is truly remarkable.

JJJ wrote:
Actually that is the relevant discussion. How much of that 3,something% of the US GDP spent on military spending is America's contribution to a better and more free world and how much is the result of a bloated economic/military complex with an ever growing top brass getting banana republic dictator perks and the revolving door between the military and the Lockheed-Martins of the world.


Donald just wants more European taxpayer dollars to be channelled into the coffers of the organisations you mention.


JJJ wrote:
All over the world militaries are getting leaner and better at specific jobs. Maybe it's time the US learns to take on those challenges like everyone else instead of relying on all those 3star+ generals basically working as full-time lobbyists to keep the money pipeline open.

Maybe someone should audit the Pentagon. :duck:

mercure1 wrote:
Donald Rumsfeld had it right in 2003 with his remark regarding "old Europe".

If we're going to talk about "old europe" and "new europe", then lets talk about the ever wise "old europe", lead by Chirac, who didn't blindly follow Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld into the Iraqi quagmire and lets talk about "new europe", led by Britain, who did. If you're in Europe want to see a sinking ship, go to Calais and look in a North Westerly direction. But be careful of all the illegal migrants who are trying to get there. :lol:

salttee wrote:
LOL Europe is where it's always been, at center stage. It's currently the US that's the diminishing entity. Asia is rising, Europe expands as the old comintern countries gain their footing, while the US declines in significance; that's the reality.

:checkmark:

salttee wrote:
Yea, Rumsfeld was doing great work in 2003 eh? He was creating the human, political and military disaster that currently exists in Mesopotamia and now the Europeans are stuck with the cleanup of his mess.

Very sad for all those burdened by a mess that was entirely created by White House incompetence (a relative term now, lol).

seahawk wrote:
No European army ever had the size of the US forces

Well d'uh, no European nation comes close to the size of the USA.

Pihero wrote:
What I see is that for the past forty years, there is a very good chance of making some real, meaningful progress toward a united Europe... It will have to start with defence and the Eurozone...

Macron was quite vocal on this during the election campaign, which I really like. Whilst Britain is busy having shot themselves in the foot, America lead by a six year old and with Putin rearing his ugly head in the background and with two excellent leaders in the form of Macron and Merkel, I'm confident that the circumstances will lead to much more European unity. In spite of Putin's efforts to the contrary.
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:10 pm

LOT767301ER wrote:
Europe expands as the old comintern countries gain their footing, while the US declines in significance; that's the reality.


What are you blabbering about? There is not an economic nor military statistic that proves your theory.


Please learn how to use the "Quote" feature so that, in every case, the person you are quoting is properly identified in your posts.

Unattributed quotes make almost impossible the intelligent reading of these threads.

Thank you.
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:53 pm

Now Trump has retracted the American pledge to the Paris agreement, Europe has to lead now.
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:09 pm

Get out your checkbooks and prepare to raise taxes. Being the world 'leader' is expensive.
 
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:52 pm

salttee wrote:
Trump has set in motion something that will be extremely detrimental to US interests in the future.


So has the migrants policy of Merkel.
 
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:53 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Now Trump has retracted the American pledge to the Paris agreement, Europe has to lead now.


haha europe doesn't have the courage or stones to lead anything. They can't even stop tens of thousands of africans from violating their borders weekly.
 
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:16 pm

AAPilot wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Now Trump has retracted the American pledge to the Paris agreement, Europe has to lead now.


haha europe doesn't have the courage or stones to lead anything. They can't even stop tens of thousands of africans from violating their borders weekly.


Yes stupid us for not letting thousands of people drown in the Meditaranian and our commitment to international refugee treaties.
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Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:26 pm

AAPilot wrote:
salttee wrote:
Trump has set in motion something that will be extremely detrimental to US interests in the future.


So has the migrants policy of Merkel.

umm, that problem was created by George W, Bush, not Merkel.
 
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:23 pm

salttee wrote:
AAPilot wrote:
salttee wrote:
Trump has set in motion something that will be extremely detrimental to US interests in the future.


So has the migrants policy of Merkel.

umm, that problem was created by George W, Bush, not Merkel.


George Bush wasn't in power when Libya and Syria fell apart.

Of course, if the Soviet Union hadn't kept certain strong men in power for decades........
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:06 am

LOT767301ER wrote:
Lastly, the USCG is part of the Navy...not sure what you want here, for them to repaint their ships so visually they are the same?


Only in time of war, and if so directed by the President.

The U.S. Coast Guard is now part of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Prior to being reassigned there is was, since 1946, part of the Dept. of Commerce. It previously had several other administrative assignments within the U. S. Government.

Coast Guard history: https://www.uscg.mil/history/web/USCGbriefhistory.asp
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:11 am

UltimoTiger777 wrote:
George Bush wasn't in power when Libya and Syria fell apart.

The troubles in Syria all trace directly back to Bush's blunder in Iraq.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:13 am

LOT767301ER wrote:
Lastly, the USCG is part of the Navy.

No it isn't
What part of Kansas are you from?
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:37 am

salttee wrote:
UltimoTiger777 wrote:
George Bush wasn't in power when Libya and Syria fell apart.

The troubles in Syria all trace directly back to Bush's blunder in Iraq.


No they don't. They are traced to the Arab Spring.

Believe it or Not, Iraq wasn't as big of a deal internationally as liberals cry and whine it to be.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:39 am

Dutchy wrote:
AAPilot wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Now Trump has retracted the American pledge to the Paris agreement, Europe has to lead now.


haha europe doesn't have the courage or stones to lead anything. They can't even stop tens of thousands of africans from violating their borders weekly.


Yes stupid us for not letting thousands of people drown in the Meditaranian and our commitment to international refugee treaties.


What wars are these people fleeing from? Germany is full of people from Pakistan, Morocco, Egypt, Mali and Algeria. No wars exist in these places, they aren't Syrian. They are opportunist migrants, not refugees.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:12 am

salttee wrote:
LOT767301ER wrote:
Lastly, the USCG is part of the Navy.

No it isn't
What part of Kansas are you from?


The one where Im not going to asterisk every single sentence with the caveat (during wartime) because I assume you know it has been in the past and can be transferred at a whim during war operations.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:22 am

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Believe it or Not, Iraq wasn't as big of a deal internationally as liberals cry and whine it to be.

LOL
You must be joking.
Nobody is that stupid.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:29 am

salttee wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
Believe it or Not, Iraq wasn't as big of a deal internationally as liberals cry and whine it to be.

LOL
You must be joking.
Nobody is that stupid.


It wasn't. Look at how tame it was during the surge 06-08. Obama showed up, pulled out and it went to shit again.

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Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:44 am

Varsity1 wrote:
What wars are these people fleeing from? Germany is full of people from Pakistan, Morocco, Egypt, Mali and Algeria. No wars exist in these places, they aren't Syrian. They are opportunist migrants, not refugees.


Hmmm?

German census results (31.12.2015)

Immigrants from:

Pakistan - 61,720
Morocco - 72,129
Egypt - 22,979
Mali - Not specified
Algeria - 20,505

In total, immigrants from four of the five countries you've named account for 0.2% of Germany's population, while the 5th is so statistically insignificant it doesn't even warrant mentioning. "Germany is full of them", eh?

As for stability, Pakistan (one of the higher sources in your list) has been in the list of 20 most fragile/failed states for over a decade now. It was at number 14 in 2016 - less stable than Zimbabwe and Eritrea. It's plagued by some of the worst terrorism and sectarian violence in the world. Egypt and Mali have hardly been models of stability either.

Look, I don't know if you're wilfully misrepresenting reality, or you genuinely don't know what you're talking about, but please stop insulting everyone's intelligence by trying to pass made-up nonsense as fact.

And while you're at it, maybe give some thought to how long it will take a group that (according to your own intelligence agency) accounts for all of 2% of the EU's population to take over the EU.

Quite the invasion.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:59 am

ElPistolero wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
What wars are these people fleeing from? Germany is full of people from Pakistan, Morocco, Egypt, Mali and Algeria. No wars exist in these places, they aren't Syrian. They are opportunist migrants, not refugees.


Hmmm?

German census results (31.12.2015)

Immigrants from:

Pakistan - 61,720
Morocco - 72,129
Egypt - 22,979
Mali - Not specified
Algeria - 20,505

In total, immigrants from four of the five countries you've named account for 0.2% of Germany's population, while the 5th is so statistically insignificant it doesn't even warrant mentioning. "Germany is full of them", eh?

As for stability, Pakistan (one of the higher sources in your list) has been in the list of 20 most fragile/failed states for over a decade now. It was at number 14 in 2016 - less stable than Zimbabwe and Eritrea. It's plagued by some of the worst terrorism and sectarian violence in the world. Egypt and Mali have hardly been models of stability either.

Look, I don't know if you're wilfully misrepresenting reality, or you genuinely don't know what you're talking about, but please stop insulting everyone's intelligence by trying to pass made-up nonsense as fact.

And while you're at it, maybe give some thought to how long it will take a group that (according to your own intelligence agency) accounts for all of 2% of the EU's population to take over the EU.

Quite the invasion.


Your census is from 2015, the influx was just getting started. Try again.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:21 am

Varsity1 wrote:
ElPistolero wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
What wars are these people fleeing from? Germany is full of people from Pakistan, Morocco, Egypt, Mali and Algeria. No wars exist in these places, they aren't Syrian. They are opportunist migrants, not refugees.


Hmmm?

German census results (31.12.2015)

Immigrants from:

Pakistan - 61,720
Morocco - 72,129
Egypt - 22,979
Mali - Not specified
Algeria - 20,505

In total, immigrants from four of the five countries you've named account for 0.2% of Germany's population, while the 5th is so statistically insignificant it doesn't even warrant mentioning. "Germany is full of them", eh?

As for stability, Pakistan (one of the higher sources in your list) has been in the list of 20 most fragile/failed states for over a decade now. It was at number 14 in 2016 - less stable than Zimbabwe and Eritrea. It's plagued by some of the worst terrorism and sectarian violence in the world. Egypt and Mali have hardly been models of stability either.

Look, I don't know if you're wilfully misrepresenting reality, or you genuinely don't know what you're talking about, but please stop insulting everyone's intelligence by trying to pass made-up nonsense as fact.

And while you're at it, maybe give some thought to how long it will take a group that (according to your own intelligence agency) accounts for all of 2% of the EU's population to take over the EU.

Quite the invasion.


Your census is from 2015, the influx was just getting started. Try again.


Haha, no. If you can't substantiate your own claims, that's your problem.

Sorry bruh, your credibility is shot.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:21 am

Spanish will be the main language in the US long before the refugees become a real threat to EU.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:28 am

Varsity1 wrote:
salttee wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
Believe it or Not, Iraq wasn't as big of a deal internationally as liberals cry and whine it to be.

LOL
You must be joking.
Nobody is that stupid.


It wasn't. Look at how tame it was during the surge 06-08. Obama showed up, pulled out and it went to shit again.

You point up the difference between a bullshitter and a liar. A liar knows the truth is and intentionally claims something other than the truth; a bullshitter spews a line that has no relation whatsoever to reality, let alone truth.

You're not joking and you're not just lying; you're a bullshitter. You probably couldn't find Mesopotamia on a map that wasn't labeled.
You're a waste of time.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:30 am

I always find it funny that a nation made of immigrants like the US suddenly tells Europe that immigration is bad and wants to free itself from immigration.

In the end many people in Germany are sceptical about the immigrants but the good thing is, that the German politicians do accept those worries as valid and work on a balance between moral and legal obligations and the desire for security of the people. Not everything is rosy, far from it, but the system adjusts not even that slowly and if it allows us to keep those willing to integrate and to become a valuable member of society and remove those not willing to do so, it might not turn out that bad in the end. Not every refugee is a IS terrorist. I would say that the homosexual Syrian barber is very unlikely to blow himself up for IS.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:47 am

DLFREEBIRD wrote:
I guess someone should memo Trump that he's no longer leader of the free world. This makes me sad, but what can one expect when the US puts someone like Trump into office. What a disaster. At least Merkel is competent and i wish her success in her new role as leader of the free world.


Disaster? No trump has been very good so far with his domestic policies. I wouldn't call! Merkel a great leader especially since she has been the cause of the millions of migrants that have flooded Europe.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:50 am

salttee wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
Believe it or Not, Iraq wasn't as big of a deal internationally as liberals cry and whine it to be.

LOL
You must be joking.
Nobody is that stupid.

There were more murders in Chicago in 2008 than Iraq.
 
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Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:08 am

And despite the fact that americans kill way more americans each year than people are killed by the terrorism in Europe your only concern is the later...
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:54 am

LOT767301ER wrote:
salttee wrote:
LOT767301ER wrote:
Lastly, the USCG is part of the Navy.

No it isn't
What part of Kansas are you from?


The one where Im not going to asterisk every single sentence with the caveat (during wartime) because I assume you know it has been in the past and can be transferred at a whim during war operations.


You're missing the point. If the USCG depends on the Navy why do they need their full complement of top brass? Surely they can do just like most Western nations and give CG duties to a mixture of Navy and civilian law enforcement without their own admiral cadre?

I read this once on another forum (by someone in the US military so I assume it must be correct, apologies if it isn't)

three- and four-star ranks have increased twice as fast as one- and two-star general and flag officers, three times as fast as the increase in all officers and almost ten times as fast as the increase in enlisted personnel.

That's the kind of bloat I was talking about. National Guard/Reserve is another one.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:56 am

AAPilot wrote:
DLFREEBIRD wrote:
I guess someone should memo Trump that he's no longer leader of the free world. This makes me sad, but what can one expect when the US puts someone like Trump into office. What a disaster. At least Merkel is competent and i wish her success in her new role as leader of the free world.


Disaster? No trump has been very good so far with his domestic policies. I wouldn't call! Merkel a great leader especially since she has been the cause of the millions of migrants that have flooded Europe.


what domestic policies? he can't even fill his cabinet. We are still living under Obama budget, Trump's budget won't take affect until Sep,

It seems to me Trump makes his decision based on what will be the most controversial. He is not a complex man, He's just a T.V. entertainer the more outrageous he act the more attention he gets and that is what he thrives on. attention
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:55 am

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DLFREEBIRD wrote:
I I wouldn't call! Merkel a great leader especially since she has been the cause of the millions of migrants that have flooded Europe.


yeah, sure. She sent a personal Invitation to each and everyone of them. Fact is, the Stampede would have happened with or without Merkel. What choice did Germany have, put them up in camps? No one is happy about the way this Invasion was handled, there was no alternative. Merkel is, contrary your personal opinion, viewed as the current leader of the western Democracies.

That is a Position normally filled by the POTUS automatically. However, even then, such a Position must be earned. The Person currently acting as president simply is not "Presidential". A vocabulary of a few hundred words of which "America first" and "Make Amerrica great again" are used inflationary, simply don't fill the expectation. There may have been other Presidents who where not the brightest bulb in the box, but at least they could behave themselves. Trump simply is a disgrace for your great Country.
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:39 am

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Fact is, the Stampede would have happened with or without Merkel.

Exactly! And I may even add that many people - including a certain Mr. Donald Trump - think that the route source of this Stampede is the destabilization of the Middle East caused by the second Iraq War.

Sorry for being so resentful...

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Trump simply is a disgrace for your great Country.

I hope we all will manage to differentiate between the president and the country itself. It's actually not the first time that we have some differences. Remember when Bush jr. started above mentioned Iraq war? We did not agree with his justification and did not join the alliance (it didn't help that this happened during an election campaign in Germany...). But this episode is over and did not hurt the friendship between the two countries.

By the way, the Marshall plan became 70 years today! Thank you USA! I, personally, will not forget it.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:49 am

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AAPilot wrote:
haha europe doesn't have the courage or stones to lead anything. They can't even stop tens of thousands of africans from violating their borders weekly.


Yes stupid us for not letting thousands of people drown in the Meditaranian and our commitment to international refugee treaties.


What wars are these people fleeing from? Germany is full of people from Pakistan, Morocco, Egypt, Mali and Algeria. No wars exist in these places, they aren't Syrian. They are opportunist migrants, not refugees.


Pakistan, pretty much in a continuous state of war at the frontier with Afghanistan.
Morocco : there is the Sahara trouble but no war (I regularly go there)
Egypt : war in the Sinai, countless attacks on the military, civilians, Christians in particular.
Algeria : some troubles.

Mali : definitely a war there, in fact the US is participating with intelligence operations.
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:35 am

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Yes stupid us for not letting thousands of people drown in the Meditaranian and our commitment to international refugee treaties.


What wars are these people fleeing from? Germany is full of people from Pakistan, Morocco, Egypt, Mali and Algeria. No wars exist in these places, they aren't Syrian. They are opportunist migrants, not refugees.


Pakistan, pretty much in a continuous state of war at the frontier with Afghanistan.
Morocco : there is the Sahara trouble but no war (I regularly go there)
Egypt : war in the Sinai, countless attacks on the military, civilians, Christians in particular.
Algeria : some troubles.

Mali : definitely a war there, in fact the US is participating with intelligence operations.


Doesn't matter which reasons they have to migrate to Europe. The point was, we need to rescue these people, otherwise, they will drown. Within the EU, they get a chance to ask for asylum, as per the treaty to protect refugees. If they don't qualify for asylum, then they have to leave the EU again or will be forced out. Off course they can try their luck and become illegal aliens, but that is quite harsh within the EU, no protection from the law.
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:36 pm

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haha europe doesn't have the courage or stones to lead anything. They can't even stop tens of thousands of africans from violating their borders weekly.


Kinda like how the USA can't stop the tens of thousands of Central Americans from violating their borders weekly.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:39 pm

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DLFREEBIRD wrote:
I guess someone should memo Trump that he's no longer leader of the free world. This makes me sad, but what can one expect when the US puts someone like Trump into office. What a disaster. At least Merkel is competent and i wish her success in her new role as leader of the free world.


Disaster? No trump has been very good so far with his domestic policies. I wouldn't call! Merkel a great leader especially since she has been the cause of the millions of migrants that have flooded Europe.



WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? his domestic polices are wealthcare. period.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:18 pm

Airontario wrote:
AAPilot wrote:
haha europe doesn't have the courage or stones to lead anything. They can't even stop tens of thousands of africans from violating their borders weekly.


Kinda like how the USA can't stop the tens of thousands of Central Americans from violating their borders weekly.


The net influx has dropped to nearly zero.

Let me know when they round up and sexually assault 500 women in a single go.

Europe's limp-wristed policies are going to get them steamrolled on the world stage.
 
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Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:23 am

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Obama showed up, pulled out and it went to shit again.


Thank you for proving his point. You may want to check when the "U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement" was signed.
You have just yourself assigned the blame to Bush.

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Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:24 am

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Let me know when they round up and sexually assault 500 women in a single go.


Trump is going to visit the Border?

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