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Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:31 am

What kind of ego requires faking magazine covers to demonstrate personal greatness?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 7b47e240b1

The framed fake cover has been found hanging at five courses in both the USA and Ireland.

Other Goodies:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... 267f740ac1

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... c156937415

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ear ... 14b7b52d40

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Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:53 am

"What kind of ego requires faking magazine covers to demonstrate personal greatness?" a small one.......

What's new with all the disasters that is called the Trump administration? Seems to me that there are more important things to focus on to let you distract by something small.
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Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:58 am

Well clearly, Time is conspiring against Trump and they removed all the Trump covers from circulation (even the one in your attic) and replaced them with fake ones because they are FAKE news. SAD!!
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Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:41 pm

Dutchy wrote:
"What kind of ego requires faking magazine covers to demonstrate personal greatness?" a small one.......

What's new with all the disasters that is called the Trump administration? Seems to me that there are more important things to focus on to let you distract by something small.


Coming from someone who seems to live on YouTube humor, that comment seems odd.

The truth is no small thing. Mr. Trump's aversion to it should always be front page news. The Washington Post and New York Times should have boxes on their front pages for the latest Trumpian Lies. They should be a standard feature on TV newscasts. And they should constantly be under discussion here.

Every promise he breaks represents a lie. Every lie he tells demeans his office and this nation.

He is a compulsive liar. The lies won't stop until we are rid of him.

It is not time to bank the coals. Stoke the flames, up the temperature. Get rid of Trump.
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Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:51 pm

BobPatterson wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
"What kind of ego requires faking magazine covers to demonstrate personal greatness?" a small one.......

What's new with all the disasters that is called the Trump administration? Seems to me that there are more important things to focus on to let you distract by something small.


Coming from someone who seems to live on YouTube humor, that comment seems odd.

The truth is no small thing. Mr. Trump's aversion to it should always be front page news. The Washington Post and New York Times should have boxes on their front pages for the latest Trumpian Lies. They should be a standard feature on TV newscasts. And they should constantly be under discussion here.

Every promise he breaks represents a lie. Every lie he tells demeans his office and this nation.

He is a compulsive liar. The lies won't stop until we are rid of him.

It is not time to bank the coals. Stoke the flames, up the temperature. Get rid of Trump.


Well, Bob, besides your personal attack, I agree.
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:41 am

Dutchy wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Seems to me that there are more important things to focus on to let you distract by something small.


Coming from someone who seems to live on YouTube humor, that comment seems odd.


Well, Bob, besides your personal attack, I agree.


Are you super-sensitive? How is my comment any more of a personal attack than the comment you made that prompted it?

Your litany of crying about ad hominems and personal attacks is pretty silly.

As Mrs. Palin was fond of saying, "Man up".
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:52 am

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Dutchy wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:

Coming from someone who seems to live on YouTube humor, that comment seems odd.


Well, Bob, besides your personal attack, I agree.


Are you super-sensitive? How is my comment any more of a personal attack than the comment you made that prompted it?

Your litany of crying about ad hominems and personal attacks is pretty silly.

As Mrs. Palin was fond of saying, "Man up".


Ad hominums are allowed in your book, duely noted :D
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:37 pm

I think it's quite humorous. Not a single person who voted for Trump cares. You still don't understand that we voted him in to change things drastically. BIGLY. We don't care if he has fake time covers in his hotels. And, we enjoy that you are triggered over it.

Consider this. The left has been in a 8 month orgy of hate and anger. They have ripped apart everything they can find that he and his family is involved in. They have gotten his daughters goods removed from stores. The list goes on and on and on.

This is the worst thing they found.


HahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahH
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:49 pm

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I think it's quite humorous. Not a single person who voted for Trump cares. You still don't understand that we voted him in to change things drastically. BIGLY. We don't care if he has fake time covers in his hotels. And, we enjoy that you are triggered over it.

Consider this. The left has been in a 8 month orgy of hate and anger. They have ripped apart everything they can find that he and his family is involved in. They have gotten his daughters goods removed from stores. The list goes on and on and on.

This is the worst thing they found.

HahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahH


It is by no means the worst of his lies or pettiness. But is it among the funniest, so we can all have a good laugh over it.

Think of it as perhaps the first thing he has done to unify the country. We are all laughing.

I think many people who voted for Trump disagree with you. They care about the truth while you apparently don't.

What has he done to change things BIGLY? Lie to his supporters?
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:04 pm

socalgeo wrote:
I think it's quite humorous. Not a single person who voted for Trump cares. You still don't understand that we voted him in to change things drastically. BIGLY. We don't care if he has fake time covers in his hotels. And, we enjoy that you are triggered over it.

Consider this. The left has been in a 8 month orgy of hate and anger. They have ripped apart everything they can find that he and his family is involved in. They have gotten his daughters goods removed from stores. The list goes on and on and on.

This is the worst thing they found.


HahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahH


Just wait till the Special Counsel completes it's investigation.....there will be many "worst" things....

And he hates "fake news"...
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:26 pm

BobPatterson wrote:
socalgeo wrote:
I think it's quite humorous. Not a single person who voted for Trump cares. You still don't understand that we voted him in to change things drastically. BIGLY. We don't care if he has fake time covers in his hotels. And, we enjoy that you are triggered over it.

Consider this. The left has been in a 8 month orgy of hate and anger. They have ripped apart everything they can find that he and his family is involved in. They have gotten his daughters goods removed from stores. The list goes on and on and on.

This is the worst thing they found.

HahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahH


It is by no means the worst of his lies or pettiness. But is it among the funniest, so we can all have a good laugh over it.

Think of it as perhaps the first thing he has done to unify the country. We are all laughing.

I think many people who voted for Trump disagree with you. They care about the truth while you apparently don't.

What has he done to change things BIGLY? Lie to his supporters?

With all due respect, no one gives a shit about some marketing materials that he placed in his overpriced hotels.

As far as your question on his BIGLY accomplishments, we supporters understand that he's only been in office for 5 months, and that he is being obstructed at every turn. Yet, he was still able to:
prevent the disaster that would have been the Hillary Clinton presidency, for which a Nobel Humanitarian prize is in order.
pull out of the TPP
pull out of the Paris Treaty
Gorsuch appointed to SCOTUS
January 2, 2017, Signed Legislation - S. 583 - American Law Enforcement Heroes Act of 2017
January 2, 2017, Signed Legislation - S. 419 - Public Safety Officers’ Benefits Improvement Act of 2017
January 6, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 375 - An Act to designate the Federal building and United States courthouse located at 719 Church Street in Nashville, Tennessee, as the “Fred D. Thompson Federal Building and United States Courthouse”.
January 6, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 366 - DHS Stop Asset and Vehicle Excess Act or the DHS SAVE Act
January 14, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 657 - Follow the Rules Act
January 20, 2017, Executive Order -Minimizing the Economic Burden of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Pending Repeal
January 20, 2017, Signed Legislation - S.84 - A bill to provide for an exception to a limitation against appointment of persons as Secretary of Defense within seven years of relief from active duty as a regular commissioned officer of the Armed Forces.
January 23, 2017, Signed Legislation - S. 1094 - Department of Veterans Affairs Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act of 2017
January 24, 2017, Executive Order -Expediting Environmental Reviews and Approvals For High Priority Infrastructure Projects
January 25, 2017, Executive Order - Border Security and Immigration Enforcement Improvements
January 25, 2017, Executive Order - Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States
January 27, 2017, Executive Order - PROTECTING THE NATION FROM FOREIGN TERRORIST ENTRY INTO THE UNITED STATES
January 27, 2017, Signed Legislation - S. 1083 - An Act to amend section 1214 of title 5, United States Code, to provide for stays during a period that the Merit Systems Protection Board lacks a quorum
January 28, 2017, Executive Order - ETHICS COMMITMENTS BY EXECUTIVE BRANCH APPOINTEES
January 30, 2017, Executive Order - on Reducing Regulation and Controlling Regulatory Costs
January 30, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 1238 - Securing our Agriculture and Food Act
January 31, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R.72 - GAO Access and Oversight Act of 2017
February 3, 2017, Executive Order - on Core Principles for Regulating the United States Financial System
February 9, 2017 Executive Order Providing an Order of Succession Within the Department of Justice
February 9, 2017, Executive Order - on Enforcing Federal Law with Respect to Transnational Criminal Organizations and Preventing International Trafficking
February 9, 2017, Executive Order - on Preventing Violence Against Federal/State/Tribal/and Local Law Enforcement Officers
February 9, 2017, Executive Order - on a Task Force on Crime Reduction and Public Safety
February 14, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.J.Res.41 - Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of a rule submitted by the Securities and Exchange Commission relating to "Disclosure of Payments by Resource Extraction Issuers".
February 16, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.J.Res.38 - Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of the Interior known as the Stream Protection Rule.
February 24, 2017, Executive Order - on Enforcing the Regulatory Reform Agenda
February 28, 2017, Executive Order - on The White House Initiative to Promote Excellence and Innovation at Historically Black Colleges and Universities
February 28, 2017, Executive Order - on Restoring the Rule of Law/Federalism/and Economic Growth by Reviewing the "Waters of the United States" Rule
February 28, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 321 - Inspiring the Next Space Pioneers, Innovators, Researchers, and Explorers (INSPIRE) Women Act
February 28, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 255 - Promoting Women in Entrepreneurship Act
February 28, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.J.Res. 40 - Joint Resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Social Security Administration relating to Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007.
March 6, 2017, Executive Order -Protecting The Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into The United States
March 13, 2017, Executive Order - on a Comprehensive Plan for Reorganizing the Executive Branch
March 13, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R.609 - To designate the Department of Veterans Affairs health care center in Center Township, Butler County, Pennsylvania, as the "Abie Abraham VA Clinic".
March 21, 2017, Signed Legislation - S.442 - National Aeronautics and Space Administration Transition Authorization Act of 2017
March 27, 2017, Executive Order - on the Revocation of Federal Contracting Executive Orders
March 27, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.J.Res.57 - Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Department of Education relating to accountability and State plans under the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965.
March 27, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.J. Res. 58 - Joint Resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Department of Education relating to teacher preparation issues.
March 27, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.J. Res. 44 - Joint Resolution disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of the Interior relating to Bureau of Land Management regulations that establish the procedures used to prepare, revise, or amend land use plans pursuant to the Federal Land
March 27, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.J. Res. 37 - Joint Resolution disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Defense, the General Services Administration, and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration relating to the Federal Acquisition Regulation.
March 28, 2017, Executive Order - on Promoting Energy Independence and Economic Growth
March 28, 2017, Signed Legislation - S. 305 - Vietnam War Veterans Recognition Act of 2017
March 29, 2017, Executive Order - Establishing the President’s Commission on Combating Drug Addiction and the Opioid Crisis
March 31, 2017, Executive Order - on Establishing Enhanced Collection and Enforcement of Antidumping and Countervailing Duties and Violations of Trade and Customs Laws
March 31, 2017, Executive Order - on Providing an Order of Succession Within the Department of Justice
March 31, 2017, Executive Order - Regarding the Omnibus Report on Significant Trade Deficits
March 31, 2017, Signed Legislation - S.J.Res.1 - Joint Resolution approving the location of a memorial to commemorate and honor the members of the Armed Forces who served on active duty in support of Operation Desert Storm or Operation Desert Shield.
March 31, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R.1362 - An Act to name the Department of Veterans Affairs community-based outpatient clinic in Pago Pago, American Samoa, the Faleomavaega Eni Fa'aua'a Hunkin VA Clinic.
March 31, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.J.Res.42 - Joint Resolution disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Labor relating to drug testing of unemployment compensation applicants.
April 3, 2017, Signed Legislation - S.J.Res. 34 - Joint Resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Federal Communications Commission relating to “Protecting the Privacy of Customers of Broadband...
April 3, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 1228 - An Act to provide for the appointment of members of the Board of Directors of the Office of Compliance to replace members whose terms expire during 2017, and for other purposes.
April 3, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.J.Res. 83, which nullifies the Department of Labor's rule titled Clarification of Employer's Continuing Obligation to Make and Maintain an Accurate Record of Each Recordable Injury and Illness; and
April 3, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.J.Res. 69, which nullifies the Department of the Interior's Fish and Wildlife Service's final rule relating to non-subsistesnce takings of wildlife on National Wildlife Refuges in Alaska
April 13, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.J.Res. 67 - Joint Resolution disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Labor relating to savings arrangements established by qualified State political subdivisions for non-governmental employees.
April 13, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.J.Res. 43 - Joint Resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the final rule submitted by Secretary of Health and Human Services relating to compliance with title X requirements by project...
April 18, 2017, Executive Order - on Buy American and Hire American
April 18, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 353 - Weather Research and Forecasting Innovation Act of 2017
April 19, 2017, Signed Legislation - S.J.Res. 36 - Joint Resolution providing for the appointment of Roger W. Ferguson as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution.
April 19, 2017, Signed Legislation - S.J.Res. 35 - Joint Resolution providing for the appointment of Michael Govan as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution.
April 19, 2017, Signed Legislation - S.J.Res. 30 - Joint Resolution providing for the reappointment of Steve Case as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution.
April 19, 2017, Signed Legislation - S. 544 - An Act to amend the Veterans Access, Choice, and Accountability Act of 2014 to modify the termination date for the Veterans Choice Program, and for other purposes.
April 21, 2017, Executive Order - on Identifying and Reducing Tax Regulatory Burdens
April 25, 2017, Executive Order - on Promoting Agriculture and Rural Prosperity in America
April 26, 2017, Executive Order - on Enforcing Statutory Prohibitions on Federal Control of Education
April 26, 2017, Executive Order - on the Review of Designations Under the Antiquities Act
April 27, 2017, Executive Order - on Improving Accountability and Whistleblower Protection at the Department of Veterans Affairs
April 28, 2017, Executive Order - Implementing an America-First Offshore Energy Strategy
April 28, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.J.Res. 99 - Joint Resolution making further continuing appropriations for fiscal year 2017, and for other purposes.
April 29, 2017, Executive Order - Addressing Trade Agreement Violations and Abuses
April 29, 2017, Executive Order - on Establishment of Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy
May 1, 2017, Executive Order - on the Establishment of the American Technology Council
May 4, 2017, Executive Order - Promoting Free Speech and Religious Liberty
May 5, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 244 - Consolidated Appropriations Act/2017
May 8, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 534 - U.S. Wants to Compete for a World Expo Act
May 11, 2017, Executive Order - on the Establishment of Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity
May 11, 2017, Executive Order - on Strengthening the Cybersecurity of Federal Networks and Critical Infrastructure
May 12, 2017, Signed Legislation - S. 496 -An Act to repeal the rule issued by the Federal Highway Administration and the Federal Transit Administration entitled “Metropolitan Planning Organization Coordination and Planning Area Reform”.
May 16, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 274 - Modernizing Government Travel Act
May 17, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.J.Res. 66 - Joint Resolution disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Labor relating to savings arrangements established by States for non-governmental employees.
June 15, 2017, Executive Order - Expanding Apprenticeships in America
June 21, 2017, Executive Order - Amending Executive Order 13597

This is about 85 accomplishments in 5 months. That's about 4 accomplishments per week.

I think this is pretty damn great. It's called winning!
 
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By the way Bob, if you are as conservative as you say you are then I'd expect you to be pretty G-D thrilled about many of the exec orders and signed legislation in that list. Check it out...
 
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socalgeo wrote:
January 2, 2017, Signed Legislation - S. 583 - American Law Enforcement Heroes Act of 2017
January 2, 2017, Signed Legislation - S. 419 - Public Safety Officers’ Benefits Improvement Act of 2017
January 6, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 375 - An Act to designate the Federal building and United States courthouse located at 719 Church Street in Nashville, Tennessee, as the “Fred D. Thompson Federal Building and United States Courthouse”.
January 6, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 366 - DHS Stop Asset and Vehicle Excess Act or the DHS SAVE Act
January 14, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 657 - Follow the Rules Act


Come on. Seriously? Are you that desperate?
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:47 pm

Trump and republicans are a bunch of hypocrites! When Obama signed a executive order Trump and republicans complained to no end. Now that list that socalgeo posted is nothing but executive orders!
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By the way Bob, if you are as conservative as you say you are then I'd expect you to be pretty G-D thrilled about many of the exec orders and signed legislation in that list. Check it out...


I considered starting a thread by posting that list a couple of weeks ago. I was particularly impressed by Mr. Trump bragging about this kind of stuff:

Signed on June 6, 2017
H.R. 375 - An Act to designate the Federal building and United States courthouse located at 719 Church Street in Nashville, Tennessee, as the “Fred D. Thompson Federal Building and United States Courthouse”.

Signed on April 19, 2017
S.J.Res. 30 - Joint Resolution providing for the reappointment of Steve Case as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution.

Signed on March 13, 2017
H.R.609 - To designate the Department of Veterans Affairs health care center in Center Township, Butler County, Pennsylvania, as the "Abie Abraham VA Clinic".

You mentioned that he was changing things BIGLY.

Can you point out the BIGLY items for us on the big list?

BTW, how conservative have I said I am?
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Mir wrote:
socalgeo wrote:
January 2, 2017, Signed Legislation - S. 583 - American Law Enforcement Heroes Act of 2017
January 2, 2017, Signed Legislation - S. 419 - Public Safety Officers’ Benefits Improvement Act of 2017
January 6, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 375 - An Act to designate the Federal building and United States courthouse located at 719 Church Street in Nashville, Tennessee, as the “Fred D. Thompson Federal Building and United States Courthouse”.
January 6, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 366 - DHS Stop Asset and Vehicle Excess Act or the DHS SAVE Act
January 14, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 657 - Follow the Rules Act


Come on. Seriously? Are you that desperate?

Desperate? Not so much. Trumps been president for 5 months and he has already had a huge impact. I was asked what he accomplished so I provided the complete list of his legislative and executive orders. It's not really that complicated.

These are the things that Trumps supporters want to see.

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socalgeo wrote:
By the way Bob, if you are as conservative as you say you are then I'd expect you to be pretty G-D thrilled about many of the exec orders and signed legislation in that list. Check it out...


I considered starting a thread by posting that list a couple of weeks ago. I was particularly impressed by Mr. Trump bragging about this kind of stuff:

Signed on June 6, 2017
H.R. 375 - An Act to designate the Federal building and United States courthouse located at 719 Church Street in Nashville, Tennessee, as the “Fred D. Thompson Federal Building and United States Courthouse”.

Signed on April 19, 2017
S.J.Res. 30 - Joint Resolution providing for the reappointment of Steve Case as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution.

Signed on March 13, 2017
H.R.609 - To designate the Department of Veterans Affairs health care center in Center Township, Butler County, Pennsylvania, as the "Abie Abraham VA Clinic".

You mentioned that he was changing things BIGLY.

Can you point out the BIGLY items for us on the big list?

BTW, how conservative have I said I am?


Well Bob, my recollection is that you are a republican who did not vote for Trump. So I think that you are more conservative that a typical democratic. If I am incorrect then I apologize.

As to the other stuff, sure you can cherry pick some things that aren't groundbreaking. But the keystone pipeline, pulling out of the TPP, pulling out of Paris are significant. There are several other things that are quite significant- the review of the EPA water rule (which will soon be reversed) and the reduction of the EPAs budget are big, as well as the organizational changes going on at the USDA. These are just a couple of things.

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socalgeo wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
socalgeo wrote:
By the way Bob, if you are as conservative as you say you are then I'd expect you to be pretty G-D thrilled about many of the exec orders and signed legislation in that list. Check it out...


I considered starting a thread by posting that list a couple of weeks ago. I was particularly impressed by Mr. Trump bragging about this kind of stuff:

Signed on June 6, 2017
H.R. 375 - An Act to designate the Federal building and United States courthouse located at 719 Church Street in Nashville, Tennessee, as the “Fred D. Thompson Federal Building and United States Courthouse”.

Signed on April 19, 2017
S.J.Res. 30 - Joint Resolution providing for the reappointment of Steve Case as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution.

Signed on March 13, 2017
H.R.609 - To designate the Department of Veterans Affairs health care center in Center Township, Butler County, Pennsylvania, as the "Abie Abraham VA Clinic".

You mentioned that he was changing things BIGLY.

Can you point out the BIGLY items for us on the big list?

BTW, how conservative have I said I am?


Well Bob, my recollection is that you are a republican who did not vote for Trump. So I think that you are more conservative that a typical democratic. If I am incorrect then I apologize.

As to the other stuff, sure you can cherry pick some things that aren't groundbreaking. But the keystone pipeline, pulling out of the TPP, pulling out of Paris are significant. There are several other things that are quite significant- the review of the EPA water rule (which will soon be reversed) and the reduction of the EPAs budget are big, as well as the organizational changes going on at the USDA. These are just a couple of things.

Cheers


Much of what you are talking about is the reversal of previous executive actions, not really big stuff then and not now.

When he gets HIS health care package passed and when he gets HIS plan for tax revisions passed, then you might be able to talk about BIGLY stuff.

It really doesn't look like HIS party will pass HIS programs. In fact, he never really has had a though out program to call HIS.

I am a social liberal (lots of take care of the people stuff, infrastructure) and a fiscal conservative. I would decrease our defense spending by at least 1/3 and devote the funds to debt reduction and social programs (mainly healthcare).
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Mir wrote:
socalgeo wrote:
January 2, 2017, Signed Legislation - S. 583 - American Law Enforcement Heroes Act of 2017
January 2, 2017, Signed Legislation - S. 419 - Public Safety Officers’ Benefits Improvement Act of 2017
January 6, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 375 - An Act to designate the Federal building and United States courthouse located at 719 Church Street in Nashville, Tennessee, as the “Fred D. Thompson Federal Building and United States Courthouse”.
January 6, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 366 - DHS Stop Asset and Vehicle Excess Act or the DHS SAVE Act
January 14, 2017, Signed Legislation - H.R. 657 - Follow the Rules Act


Come on. Seriously? Are you that desperate?

Desperate? Not so much. Trumps been president for 5 months and he has already had a huge impact. I was asked what he accomplished so I provided the complete list of his legislative and executive orders. It's not really that complicated.


You are apparently desperate enough to list his accomplishments that you even included some legislation that was signed before he became president.
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When he gets HIS health care package passed and when he gets HIS plan for tax revisions passed, then you might be able to talk about BIGLY stuff.


Though, if that happens, it will have to come with the asterisk that it is historically unpopular and had to be crafted in secret in the most partisan manner possible.
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Mir wrote:
socalgeo wrote:
Mir wrote:

Come on. Seriously? Are you that desperate?

Desperate? Not so much. Trumps been president for 5 months and he has already had a huge impact. I was asked what he accomplished so I provided the complete list of his legislative and executive orders. It's not really that complicated.


You are apparently desperate enough to list his accomplishments that you even included some legislation that was signed before he became president.

No, just messed up the dates.....
 
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Trump has accomplished something? Damn, now that is news to me.
 
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I'm not tired of the winning!


In what possitive way did your life change in the last 5 mounths by acts of your president? What did you win?
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Dutchy wrote:
socalgeo wrote:
I'm not tired of the winning!


In what possitive way did your life change in the last 5 mounths by acts of your president? What did you win?


He's turned America into the laughing stock of the world. BIGLY!

He has also made America weaker on the world stage due to his incompetence. This makes the US vulnerable.

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In what possitive way did your life change in the last 5 mounths by acts of your president? What did you win?

Well, it looks like renaming buildings was really something he wanted. And those EOs that he hated under Obama are suddenly his favorites.

The stock market went up because a building and an avenue in BFE was renamed.

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No, just messed up the dates.....

Sure...and I won the Miss Universe pageant the other day.
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WOW...with all those accomplishments....no wonder he's @ 75% approval rating

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Dutchy wrote:
socalgeo wrote:
I'm not tired of the winning!


In what possitive way did your life change in the last 5 mounths by acts of your president? What did you win?


Interesting question. But in my opinion very telling. I didn't vote for Trump because I felt that there would be some personal benefit to me, especially in the 5 month time frame. I voted for him because I felt he would be better for the country in the long term.
 
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socalgeo wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
socalgeo wrote:
I'm not tired of the winning!


In what possitive way did your life change in the last 5 mounths by acts of your president? What did you win?


Interesting question. But in my opinion very telling. I didn't vote for Trump because I felt that there would be some personal benefit to me, especially in the 5 month time frame. I voted for him because I felt he would be better for the country in the long term.


You said you aren't tired of the winning. So what have you won? Or in what why do you expect America to benefit from the Trump presidency in say 4 years or 10 years.
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Dutchy wrote:
socalgeo wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

In what possitive way did your life change in the last 5 mounths by acts of your president? What did you win?


Interesting question. But in my opinion very telling. I didn't vote for Trump because I felt that there would be some personal benefit to me, especially in the 5 month time frame. I voted for him because I felt he would be better for the country in the long term.


You said you aren't tired of the winning. So what have you won? Or in what why do you expect America to benefit from the Trump presidency in say 4 years or 10 years.


Well, I listed many many things in a previous post. But the first few items in the list are pretty great.
1) Hillary is not the president.
2) Conservative control of the SCOTUS
3) Pulling out of TPP and Paris.
4)Approval of energy projects - an energy policy that is focused on American dominance.
5) reducing EPA regulations to promote business growth.

Add to these the reversing of Obamas open border policy and you have an excellent list of accomplishments that are VERY good for the long term future of the US and A.

I'm not going to spend any time going into the benefits of each of these things. You can do that research yourself.

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I think it's quite humorous. Not a single person who voted for Trump cares. You still don't understand that we voted him in to change things drastically. BIGLY. We don't care if he has fake time covers in his hotels. And, we enjoy that you are triggered over it.


(Of course you do not. He is a big faker, so what does that say about his blind followers.)


Consider this. The left has been in a 8 month orgy of hate and anger. They have ripped apart everything they can find that he and his family is involved in. They have gotten his daughters goods removed from stores. The list goes on and on and on.


(When it reaches eight years in time, then maybe you will have some legitimacy with your complaint about hate and anger, what the hell hole were you in for the last eight years of hate and anger by the Republican nut jobs who flooded the email system with hate and vitriol of the worst kind, and trump is continuing the practice with his rants.)



This is the worst thing they found.


HahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahH




(Not a very classy reply, but of course neither are Trumps Tweets.)
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3) Pulling out of TPP and Paris.

The TPP was dead with or without Trump. No credit for this. Americans will meet or exceed our goals stated in of the Paris Agreement, but might save some money. The nation and its businesses are not following Trump on climate change or global warming.

socalgeo wrote:
4)Approval of energy projects - an energy policy that is focused on American dominance.

America may become energy independent as a result of national and world economies. We are certainly not going to dominate anything or anyone with respect to energy. Trump's position on drilling in the Arctic or on the Continental Shelf will have no impact unless the price of oil doubles to $85 or more per barrel.

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Add to these the reversing of Obamas open border policy.......

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Dutchy wrote:
socalgeo wrote:

Interesting question. But in my opinion very telling. I didn't vote for Trump because I felt that there would be some personal benefit to me, especially in the 5 month time frame. I voted for him because I felt he would be better for the country in the long term.


You said you aren't tired of the winning. So what have you won? Or in what why do you expect America to benefit from the Trump presidency in say 4 years or 10 years.


Well, I listed many many things in a previous post. But the first few items in the list are pretty great.
1) Hillary is not the president.
2) Conservative control of the SCOTUS
3) Pulling out of TPP and Paris.
4)Approval of energy projects - an energy policy that is focused on American dominance.
5) reducing EPA regulations to promote business growth.

Add to these the reversing of Obamas open border policy and you have an excellent list of accomplishments that are VERY good for the long term future of the US and A.

I'm not going to spend any time going into the benefits of each of these things. You can do that research yourself.

Cheers!


Tell us how more pollution and lower pay is better? Tell us how a woman who has political and leadership experience and won the popular vote would be worse? Tell us how setting up manufacturing jobs for green energy is bad? There are so many shuttered plants in this country that can easily convert to green energy suppliers and put people to work. "Conservatives" have shown they are only willing to make government bigger and more intrusive for us. How is any of that better?
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socalgeo wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

You said you aren't tired of the winning. So what have you won? Or in what why do you expect America to benefit from the Trump presidency in say 4 years or 10 years.


Well, I listed many many things in a previous post. But the first few items in the list are pretty great.
1) Hillary is not the president.
2) Conservative control of the SCOTUS
3) Pulling out of TPP and Paris.
4)Approval of energy projects - an energy policy that is focused on American dominance.
5) reducing EPA regulations to promote business growth.

Add to these the reversing of Obamas open border policy and you have an excellent list of accomplishments that are VERY good for the long term future of the US and A.

I'm not going to spend any time going into the benefits of each of these things. You can do that research yourself.

Cheers!


Tell us how more pollution and lower pay is better? Tell us how a woman who has political and leadership experience and won the popular vote would be worse? Tell us how setting up manufacturing jobs for green energy is bad? There are so many shuttered plants in this country that can easily convert to green energy suppliers and put people to work. "Conservatives" have shown they are only willing to make government bigger and more intrusive for us. How is any of that better?


I don't really care how you feel or what you think about any of this stuff. I have no interest in convincing you of anything. I was asked what I consider to be Trumps successes since January and I have provided a clear set of examples. Multiple examples in fact. I promise you that 99% of the people who voted for Trump feel the same. I'm not looking for your validation, and believe me, there is nothing that you can say that will change my mind.

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Well, I listed many many things in a previous post. But the first few items in the list are pretty great.
1) Hillary is not the president.
2) Conservative control of the SCOTUS
3) Pulling out of TPP and Paris.
4)Approval of energy projects - an energy policy that is focused on American dominance.
5) reducing EPA regulations to promote business growth.


1) I agree with your assessment that Mrs. Clinton would not be a great president either but given the final choice.
2) SCOTUS refears to the Supreme Court of United States, I presume. So I can see that if you are a conservative that you are happy that they have e more conservative judge.
3) TTP: I can follow that argument in relation to big business vs small businesses. But what do you see as a benefit from this?
The Paris agreement is important for all mankind, pulling out of this is a bad thing.
4) America will not dominate the energy markets, sorry for that. The world moves to renewable energies and Trump is focused on coal (on its way out) and gas & oil, also on its way out.
5) Lifting environmental protection for business growth is a near-term strategy which will work, less cost, in the long term there will be more costly to clean up the mess again and in health cost. I see this as promoting benefits for the few (owners of the business) at the expense of the many.

socalgeo wrote:
I'm not going to spend any time going into the benefits of each of these things. You can do that research yourself.


I can imagine some kind of benefits for some specific groups, but I am far more interested in how you see this in the long term. I am interested in a genuine dialogue about this.
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I think it's quite humorous. Not a single person who voted for Trump cares.


So you are saying that Trump got into office via widespread voter fraud? Because that clear minority that likes his golf performance can't be everybody that voted for him.
In your "not a single person" do you include those that just found out that Obamacare and the ACA are the same thing and that they are going to lose their health care or really have their premiums exploding don't care? Not are single one of them?
Are you really sure that not are single Trup voter that voted for him to get Wallstreet out of DC regrets that vote now that Trump put Wallstreet in charge of running your economy?

But then again, the average Trump voter seems to be dimmer witted enough, after all these days he even gets standing ovations for telling them he found a way to make the wall cheaper ... for the Mexicans. By spending lots of tax payer money on solar power, which puts his beloved miners out of work....

The rapist could probably get standing ovations for saying "the crayon is purple".....

And of course, as per Fox news poll 7% of all Trump voters would not for him if the vote was when asked.

7% is clearly a lot more than "no one" and voting for someone else is a clear a sign of beingdisappointed as it gets.
Or are you just talking about Trump voters that are not too ashamed to admit they voted for the toddler, then you may be right.

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I think it's quite humorous. Not a single person who voted for Trump cares.


So you are saying that Trump got into office via widespread voter fraud? Because that clear minority that likes his golf performance can't be everybody that voted for him.
In your "not a single person" do you include those that just found out that Obamacare and the ACA are the same thing and that they are going to lose their health care or really have their premiums exploding don't care? Not are single one of them?
Are you really sure that not are single Trup voter that voted for him to get Wallstreet out of DC regrets that vote now that Trump put Wallstreet in charge of running your economy?

But then again, the average Trump voter seems to be dimmer witted enough, after all these days he even gets standing ovations for telling them he found a way to make the wall cheaper ... for the Mexicans. By spending lots of tax payer money on solar power, which puts his beloved miners out of work....

The rapist could probably get standing ovations for saying "the crayon is purple".....

And of course, as per Fox news poll 7% of all Trump voters would not for him if the vote was when asked.

7% is clearly a lot more than "no one" and voting for someone else is a clear a sign of beingdisappointed as it gets.
Or are you just talking about Trump voters that are not too ashamed to admit they voted for the toddler, then you may be right.

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socalgeo wrote:
seb146 wrote:
socalgeo wrote:

Well, I listed many many things in a previous post. But the first few items in the list are pretty great.
1) Hillary is not the president.
2) Conservative control of the SCOTUS
3) Pulling out of TPP and Paris.
4)Approval of energy projects - an energy policy that is focused on American dominance.
5) reducing EPA regulations to promote business growth.

Add to these the reversing of Obamas open border policy and you have an excellent list of accomplishments that are VERY good for the long term future of the US and A.

I'm not going to spend any time going into the benefits of each of these things. You can do that research yourself.

Cheers!


Tell us how more pollution and lower pay is better? Tell us how a woman who has political and leadership experience and won the popular vote would be worse? Tell us how setting up manufacturing jobs for green energy is bad? There are so many shuttered plants in this country that can easily convert to green energy suppliers and put people to work. "Conservatives" have shown they are only willing to make government bigger and more intrusive for us. How is any of that better?


I don't really care how you feel or what you think about any of this stuff. I have no interest in convincing you of anything. I was asked what I consider to be Trumps successes since January and I have provided a clear set of examples. Multiple examples in fact. I promise you that 99% of the people who voted for Trump feel the same. I'm not looking for your validation, and believe me, there is nothing that you can say that will change my mind.

Cheers!


Also, the TPP negotiations were started under Obama and very few people wanted it in the first place. That will be a disaster for this country.

Ooops... I mean a yuge success for Trump....
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Dutchy wrote:
socalgeo wrote:
Well, I listed many many things in a previous post. But the first few items in the list are pretty great.
1) Hillary is not the president.
2) Conservative control of the SCOTUS
3) Pulling out of TPP and Paris.
4)Approval of energy projects - an energy policy that is focused on American dominance.
5) reducing EPA regulations to promote business growth.


1) I agree with your assessment that Mrs. Clinton would not be a great president either but given the final choice.
2) SCOTUS refears to the Supreme Court of United States, I presume. So I can see that if you are a conservative that you are happy that they have e more conservative judge.
3) TTP: I can follow that argument in relation to big business vs small businesses. But what do you see as a benefit from this?
The Paris agreement is important for all mankind, pulling out of this is a bad thing.
4) America will not dominate the energy markets, sorry for that. The world moves to renewable energies and Trump is focused on coal (on its way out) and gas & oil, also on its way out.
5) Lifting environmental protection for business growth is a near-term strategy which will work, less cost, in the long term there will be more costly to clean up the mess again and in health cost. I see this as promoting benefits for the few (owners of the business) at the expense of the many.

socalgeo wrote:
I'm not going to spend any time going into the benefits of each of these things. You can do that research yourself.


I can imagine some kind of benefits for some specific groups, but I am far more interested in how you see this in the long term. I am interested in a genuine dialogue about this.


OK Dutchy, since this is the second time that you have said that you want a genuine discussion, ill try to provide one or two points for each that reflect my thinking. I apologize for the long post...

Dutchy Wrote: I agree with your assessment that Mrs. Clinton would not be a great president either but given the final choice.
My Response: President Trump represents a reversal of course from the last 8 years of many Obama policies, some of which are discussed below. In addition to being totally corrupt, Mrs. Clinton represented a continuation of the last 8 years. 1 year of Trump and impeachment would be light years better than 1 minute of Clinton. Not that Trump will be impeached.

Dutchy Wrote: SCOTUS refers to the Supreme Court of United States, I presume. So I can see that if you are a conservative that you are happy that they have a more conservative judge.
My Response: Not just one judge, I suspect that Trump will be able to install an additional 2 more before the end of his first term.

Dutchy Wrote: TTP: I can follow that argument in relation to big business vs small businesses. But what do you see as a benefit from this?
My Response: TPP erodes the constitution: It would turn over US sovereignty to rule on US commerce laws to an international tribunal with no outside appeal on their decisions. There is unlimited liability on the amount of our tax dollars the government can be ordered to pay. Additionally, TPP is bad for the US economy: The Wall Street Journal calculates that by 2025, the deal would increase the U.S. trade deficit in manufacturing, car assembly and car parts by $55.8 billion a year. Also, TPP fails to address the main reason for our large trade deficit: currency manipulation by other countries.

Dutchy Wrote: The Paris agreement is important for all mankind, pulling out of this is a bad thing.
My Response: For starters, this is a treaty, and as such, it needed to be ratified by the US Senate, as required by the US Constitution. By ignoring this important law President Obama broke the law himself. Additionally, this treaty placed the largest burden onto the American taxpayer, and would have cost the US trillions of dollars. At the same time the US is paying trillions of dollars and losing millions of jobs, China and India, countries responsible for the greatest amount of carbon dioxide emissions, and countries with huge trade deficits with the US, were exempt from taking action until 2030. These countries would continue to increase carbon emissions while the U.S. would bear the burden of compliance with the agreement. Just a ridiculously stupid deal. If this treaty was so important to China and India we could have negotiated a far better deal.

Dutchy Wrote: America will not dominate the energy markets, sorry for that. The world moves to renewable energies and Trump is focused on coal (on its way out) and gas & oil, also on its way out.
My Response: This remains to be seen. One thing that people don’t realize is that the US has by far the largest reserves of hydrocarbons of any country on the planet. Now that we are learning how to exploit them we need to use them to our advantage. Trumps policy is to work for US dominance in energy. A very valid goal that is important to the US national interest. Just because you think it won’t be achieved is not a reason to abandon it.

Dutchy Wrote: Lifting environmental protection for business growth is a near-term strategy which will work, less cost, in the long term there will be more costly to clean up the mess again and in health cost. I see this as promoting benefits for the few (owners of the business) at the expense of the many.
My Response: Fair enough, as long as those environmental protections actually help the environment. The expansion of the Waters of the United States rule by the EPA under Obama represented a massive increase in onerous environmental regulation, with a massive impact on business and agriculture that went far beyond what was intended by the Clean Water Act. This is one of the regulations being rolled back by Trump. Also, consider this. As long as all of the countries that have large trade deficits with the US have weak, or no environmental policies US industries will be at a disadvantage. So, we have no choice. If one really cared about the environment he or she would advocate for tariffs on imported goods that reflect the price difference due to weak environmental and labor laws as well as corruption in the source country. China's goods would be far more expensive than US made goods if we used this calculus. But alas, neither Paris nor the TPP did this because neither of those treaties is about the environment. They are about reducing America’s competitiveness to the benefit of the rest of the world. Screw ‘em.

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I'm not looking for your validation, and believe me, there is nothing that you can say that will change my mind.

Cheers!


I don't doubt the latter, but I question why you are wasting your time with us if you aren't looking for validation. You're obviously in the very small minority on here, no matter how much you would like to pretend otherwise.
 
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Additionally, this treaty placed the largest burden onto the American taxpayer, and would have cost the US trillions of dollars. At the same time the US is paying trillions of dollars and losing millions of jobs, China and India, countries responsible for the greatest amount of carbon dioxide emissions, and countries with huge trade deficits with the US, were exempt from taking action until 2030. These countries would continue to increase carbon emissions while the U.S. would bear the burden of compliance with the agreement. Just a ridiculously stupid deal. If this treaty was so important to China and India we could have negotiated a far better deal.


You are shockingly ill-informed about the Paris Agreement.
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socalgeo wrote:
I'm not looking for your validation, and believe me, there is nothing that you can say that will change my mind.

Cheers!


I don't doubt the latter, but I question why you are wasting your time with us if you aren't looking for validation. You're obviously in the very small minority on here, no matter how much you would like to pretend otherwise.


I believe that democracy dies in darkness. And there is no place as dark as a liberal echo chamber on the internet. Im simply shedding some light into this particular dark echo chamber. It is healthy to hear viewpoints that are at variance with ones own.
 
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Mir wrote:
socalgeo wrote:
Additionally, this treaty placed the largest burden onto the American taxpayer, and would have cost the US trillions of dollars. At the same time the US is paying trillions of dollars and losing millions of jobs, China and India, countries responsible for the greatest amount of carbon dioxide emissions, and countries with huge trade deficits with the US, were exempt from taking action until 2030. These countries would continue to increase carbon emissions while the U.S. would bear the burden of compliance with the agreement. Just a ridiculously stupid deal. If this treaty was so important to China and India we could have negotiated a far better deal.


You are shockingly ill-informed about the Paris Agreement.

How so? China and India can't increase thei emissions until 2030? Or that it won't cost the US any money?
 
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Another Trump accomplishment:

Direct foreign investments minus 40%. Considering that about 2/3 of new jobs in the United States stem from foreign investments that is bad news.

http://app.wiwo.de/politik/konjunktur/d ... 03472.html
(Didn't find English language source yet).

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I believe that democracy dies in darkness. And there is no place as dark as a liberal echo chamber on the internet. I'm simply shedding some light into this particular dark echo chamber. It is healthy to hear viewpoints that are at variance with one's own.


Wow! I didn't know you were a fan of the Washington Post. I was at first irate that they put that slogan on the masthead where I was forced to see it every day.

But then I spent some time thinking about it.........

Everyone needs to hear minority viewpoints. That goes for you and me, too.

I disagree with many of your positions, but you raise some good points in your responses to Dutchy.

Don't be dismayed by the fact that you are not often going to change the positions of folks who regularly post here. The discussions are being watched by a very large contingent of silent observers whose minds are not yet closed to competing ideas.
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[Dutchy Wrote: I agree with your assessment that Mrs. Clinton would not be a great president either but given the final choice.
My Response: President Trump represents a reversal of course from the last 8 years of many Obama policies, some of which are discussed below. In addition to being totally corrupt, Mrs. Clinton represented a continuation of the last 8 years. 1 year of Trump and impeachment would be light years better than 1 minute of Clinton. Not that Trump will be impeached.

Why do you say, Mrs. Clinton is totally corrupt? If you look at the scandals, Donald J. Trump clearly is the winner in this category. The main thing for you would be reversing Obama's policies? Fair enough if you don't agree with them. Which specific ones would you like to be reversed and why? (apart from the ones discussed below).

socalgeo wrote:
[Dutchy Wrote: SCOTUS refers to the Supreme Court of United States, I presume. So I can see that if you are a conservative that you are happy that they have a more conservative judge.
My Response: Not just one judge, I suspect that Trump will be able to install an additional 2 more before the end of his first term.

Alright, but why is it so important to you?

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[Dutchy Wrote: TTP: I can follow that argument in relation to big business vs small businesses. But what do you see as a benefit from this?
My Response: TPP erodes the constitution: It would turn over US sovereignty to rule on US commerce laws to an international tribunal with no outside appeal on their decisions. There is unlimited liability on the amount of our tax dollars the government can be ordered to pay. Additionally, TPP is bad for the US economy: The Wall Street Journal calculates that by 2025, the deal would increase the U.S. trade deficit in manufacturing, car assembly and car parts by $55.8 billion a year. Also, TPP fails to address the main reason for our large trade deficit: currency manipulation by other countries.

Ok, I see your point about these international tribunals, I feel the same way (TTIP was regulated in the same way).
Which countries manipulate their currencies? China seems to be off the Trump list, although this has been a long time issue. I think the main reason for the large trade deficit is that the American manufacturing industry largely isn't compatitive. The car manufacturing business is a prime example, other countries are simply putting a better product to the marked. When you make a car which is good, Tesla for example, people will buy it.

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[Dutchy Wrote: The Paris agreement is important for all mankind, pulling out of this is a bad thing.
My Response: For starters, this is a treaty, and as such, it needed to be ratified by the US Senate, as required by the US Constitution. By ignoring this important law President Obama broke the law himself. Additionally, this treaty placed the largest burden onto the American taxpayer, and would have cost the US trillions of dollars. At the same time the US is paying trillions of dollars and losing millions of jobs, China and India, countries responsible for the greatest amount of carbon dioxide emissions, and countries with huge trade deficits with the US were exempt from taking action until 2030. These countries would continue to increase carbon emissions while the U.S. would bear the burden of compliance with the agreement. Just a ridiculously stupid deal. If this treaty was so important to China and India we could have negotiated a far better deal.

I am not up to date with your constitution and laws, so I don't know, sorry.
The treaty itself was a nice balance between the polluters and whom should reduce the most, America still is, per capita, a very large polluter, so they needed to do the most to get to a 95% reduction in CO2 in 2050. And yes developing countries - India and China do have 4 times the population of the US - could pollute a bit more to develop their economies a bit further, but not nearly to the level of the current US pollution levels, from 2030 they need to reduce as well. Which burden was placed at the US taxpayer? The 3bn out of the 100bn fund or countries most affected by climate change, ironically mostly the poorest countries whom don't pollute that much. That is 32nd in the world looking at GDP per person, hardly the largest burden I would say. The energy wende, yes, that will cost a lot (and thus a lot of economic opportunities), but that needs to be done anyway. Why would the US get a better deal then everybody else? Why do you feel that the US is entitled to pollute - per person - more then the rest of the world?

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[Dutchy Wrote: America will not dominate the energy markets, sorry for that. The world moves to renewable energies and Trump is focused on coal (on its way out) and gas & oil, also on its way out.
My Response: This remains to be seen. One thing that people don’t realize is that the US has by far the largest reserves of hydrocarbons of any country on the planet. Now that we are learning how to exploit them we need to use them to our advantage. Trump's policy is to work for US dominance in energy. A very valid goal that is important to the US national interest. Just because you think it won’t be achieved is not a reason to abandon it.

Well yes, it remains to be seen, but then again look at where the world is heading to, the Middle East countries are diversifying, moving away from fossil fuels a bit and venture in other means of income. So saying that America will achieve world dominance in hydrocarbons is the same as saying that America wants to achieve world dominance in horse and carriage delivering system. It is a yesterday's world, all the signs are there. No one in their right mind will invest in the coal industry. China in the meantime has decided not to build 100 planned coal plants and is creating a world dominance in renewable energies.

Dutchy Wrote: Lifting environmental protection for business growth is a near-term strategy which will work, less cost, in the long term there will be more costly to clean up the mess again and in health cost. I see this as promoting benefits for the few (owners of the business) at the expense of the many.
My Response: Fair enough, as long as those environmental protections actually help the environment. The expansion of the Waters of the United States rule by the EPA under Obama represented a massive increase in onerous environmental regulation, with a massive impact on business and agriculture that went far beyond what was intended by the Clean Water Act. This is one of the regulations being rolled back by Trump. Also, consider this. As long as all of the countries that have large trade deficits with the US have weak, or no environmental policies US industries will be at a disadvantage. So, we have no choice. If one really cared about the environment he or she would advocate for tariffs on imported goods that reflect the price difference due to weak environmental and labor laws as well as corruption in the source country. China's goods would be far more expensive than US made goods if we used this calculus. But alas, neither Paris nor the TPP did this because neither of those treaties is about the environment. They are about reducing America’s competitiveness to the benefit of the rest of the world. Screw ‘em.[/quote]
Oh, I agree that legislation needs to be effective, of course, that needs to be. But wasn't it? And if it wasn't, change the legislation, not abandon it. Or do you feel that no legislation is needed?
Products need to reflect their true cost, including the enviriountal cost, I agree, but advocate that.

As far as those agreements are tailormade to screw America is a bit odd. Why would the rest of the world?
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Another Trump accomplishment:

Direct foreign investments minus 40%. Considering that about 2/3 of new jobs in the United States stem from foreign investments that is bad news.

(Didn't find English language source yet).


Maybe this will help, but you might not like it.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-sta ... investment
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socalgeo wrote:
jetero wrote:
socalgeo wrote:
I'm not looking for your validation, and believe me, there is nothing that you can say that will change my mind.

Cheers!


I don't doubt the latter, but I question why you are wasting your time with us if you aren't looking for validation. You're obviously in the very small minority on here, no matter how much you would like to pretend otherwise.


I believe that democracy dies in darkness. And there is no place as dark as a liberal echo chamber on the internet. Im simply shedding some light into this particular dark echo chamber. It is healthy to hear viewpoints that are at variance with ones own.


Hear hear, hearing from someone from outside your bubble is healthy for everyone.
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:56 pm

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Maybe this will help, but you might not like it.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-sta ... investment


Why would I not like it, considering how inconsistent your link is, considering that the text doesn't match the graph provided.

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Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:21 pm

socalgeo wrote:
jetero wrote:
socalgeo wrote:
I'm not looking for your validation, and believe me, there is nothing that you can say that will change my mind.

Cheers!


I don't doubt the latter, but I question why you are wasting your time with us if you aren't looking for validation. You're obviously in the very small minority on here, no matter how much you would like to pretend otherwise.


I believe that democracy dies in darkness. And there is no place as dark as a liberal echo chamber on the internet. Im simply shedding some light into this particular dark echo chamber. It is healthy to hear viewpoints that are at variance with ones own.


Can you please explain to me how a sincerely held feeling that "democracy dies in darkness" is evidenced by a self-admitted attitude of "you're not going to change my mind no matter what you say"?

Claiming that 99% of people who voted for Trump feel the same way ("believe me," right?) suggests you spend a lot of time in either online forums of like-minded Trumpists like yourself or in the echo chamber of your own head.

But in any case, may God bless you for your selfless public service. I, for one, would be quite happy to go without your light.
 
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:12 pm

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BobPatterson wrote:
Maybe this will help, but you might not like it.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-sta ... investment


Why would I not like it, considering how inconsistent your link is, considering that the text doesn't match the graph provided.

Try comparing 2nd quarter of 2017 vs. earlier years.

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