Here`s the thing, it happened in turn 3.
Which makes no difference. It's still right at the start of the race. The tires haven't gotten warmer, the field hasn't spread out.
And no, there were not "10 cars in one turn".
Hyperbole my friend. Not meant to be taken literally.
Oh, I realized the hyperbole....therefore I used the quotation marks in "10 cars".
But it does matter you see, some leniency is given in turn 1 due to the simple fact that "10 cars" (see what I did there?) all claim a tiny bit of asphalt so the risk of coming together is simply higher. Everybody knows and understands that I guess.
But then you go on and say:
It wasn't punished because the stewards don't punish incidents at the start of the race. This has been a convention for many years now, and is widely understood and supported by almost everybody who watches F1.
And that is simply not true!
Turn 1 incidents have been punished, and only recently if I may add.
I went through the trouble of getting you 2 recent examples:https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alon ... sk-928736/https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/04/03/316829/
Furthermore, Turn 1 and Turn 3 are NOT the same.
Again in Mexico, Turn 3 saw a lot less traffic than Turn 1.
In fact, there were only 3 cars close to each other, BOT was behind them. Cold tires are no excuse, they may be a factor but I have never heard stewards not penalizing an accident because "the poor chap just came out of the pits". Cold tires are a factor that needs to be managed by the driver.
VET was to blame for this coming together. Not punished because of a World Championship at stake and VET screwing his own race in the crash anyway.....that is my opinion.
If he had punctured HAM without destroying his own front wing I HOPE the stewards would have penalized VET, but I don`t know anymore.
Also look at this, a pretty thorough analysis:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiOGSiEwHM0
Where do you draw the line? Cold tires exonerate the drivers up to Turn 4? Up to Turn 8, or Turn 1 in lap 2 perhaps?
The rules don`t work that way I´m afraid ZCKLS04, and history shows that!
Plenty of incidents have been punished in Lap 1.
VER in Budapest, weren`t his tires cold; ZCKLS04?http://en.f1i.com/news/275068-2017-hung ... eport.html
Here`s another one:http://en.espn.co.uk/spain/motorsport/story/157847.html
The list goes on.......
Your opinion is actually still a mystery to me. Can you explain how you think it should work?
You know what ZCKLS04, I respectfully bow out of this discussion.
We have done more laps going round and round and round than the actual cars did this last fortnight.
Look:https://www.thenational.ae/sport/commen ... x-1.669528
The call was "marginal", according to this piece.
RAI lost 4,9 seconds in the last couple of turns, hardly the behaviour of a man that felt robbed of a position.
More like a beaten man, NOT expecting a penalty for the overtaking party!
I watch and read the news from 4 different countries in 3 different languages, and so I mulled the opinions of many experts in the business.
The opinions vary from your point of view up to "RAI forced VER off the track".
Personally, I am just surprised that they jumped to this decision within 19 seconds while other track infringements were not penalized at all.
They could have debriefed the drivers in question first. The penalty would have appeared a lot more convincing if they would have looked at all the circumstances, which is impossible in such a short time scope. Yes, previous incidents in the same weekend matter while making a call IMHO!
They had NOT been penalizing any track excursions WITH advantage the whole weekend, for instance, this:http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... n-briefing
And then suddenly punishing one within such a short time strikes me, and maaaany others from maaaany countries; as odd.
It`s not so much the fact that VER was demoted to P4, it was the way in which it was done.
The notion on this thread that "there`s no discussion possible" on this incident has worn me down.
Discussions everywhere what I can see, but on here it is an open and shut case.....at least according to some.
Not trying to get the last word in, please reply ZCKLS04; but I am not going to go over this for the umpteenth time.
I hope the stewards will be more consistent in the remaining 2 races, that is my last word on this.
I love F1 and I quite enjoy SCBRIML´s F1 thread so I don`t want to get annoyed too much.
I thank you for a respectful discussion, probably catch you around Brazil!
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P.S: What does ZCKLS04 stand for please?
I have trouble getting it right, every time I am trying to type it.
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