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THIS is why Trump will be re-elected

Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:13 am

Nothing to do with Sanders, or really, with Trump per se.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDTUfcAaRGY&t=921s

The Far Left has already made up its mind that if it doesn't get exactly its way, then they're going to torpedo the Dems.
Sure there's not many of them-- but there's enough. That's all it takes, especially in swing states.

That's how a man-child with less than 40% approval and not a clue what he's doing, will legitimately serve dual terms as President of the USA.

Right there. :irked:
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:43 am

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That's how a man-child with less than 40% approval

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Make America Eight Again.......


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Re: THIS is why Trump will be re-elected

Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:08 am

Isn't it there enough threads about Trump already?
 
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Re: THIS is why Trump will be re-elected

Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:18 am

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Isn't it there enough threads about Trump already?


Yes, there are a lot of threads on this. But decorum is just one issue, and it is not the #1 issue to voters. Citizens just want to make a good living; not everybody wants a full blown communist dictatorship run by government insiders. That is the whole disagreement ight now and it is how Trump/Sanders voters are still mad at the Democrats/Republicans. Yes, Trump could win again, and Sanders voters could vote for him, as some did already.

Trump is a small businessman at heart, and from what I can tell, institutions dislike him, government insiders dislike him and large corporation wealth dislikes him. He has actually been in a weak position all his life - holed up in his building with few institutions backing him. He is taking a lot of pride in annoying the powerful, on behalf of the (electoral college) majority. Political science in action. Why others didn't appeal to the the forgotten electoral college majority before - I have no idea. The point of my post is, unless you appeal to the voters, you will not win.
 
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Re: THIS is why Trump will be re-elected

Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:49 am

While this circus is going on in America, China is becoming a more and more dominant player while the US is isolating itself and burning bridges on a daily basis.
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:17 pm

787Driver wrote:
While this circus is going on in America, China is becoming a more and more dominant player while the US is isolating itself and burning bridges on a daily basis.


And entrenching its dictatorship in its leader... hey, but whatever floats your boat.
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:41 pm

Pyrex wrote:
787Driver wrote:
While this circus is going on in America, China is becoming a more and more dominant player while the US is isolating itself and burning bridges on a daily basis.


And entrenching its dictatorship in its leader... hey, but whatever floats your boat.


so basically what is happening in the US, only that they are further down the road...

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Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:23 pm

Bernie will be almost 80 in 2020 - he may decide not to seek re-election to the Senate next year. But still John McCain ran again....

This is more likely....

https://extranewsfeed.com/trump-will-resign-by-the-summer-heres-how-it-s-going-to-happen-f8e80ee4be1e
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Re: THIS is why Trump will be re-elected

Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:38 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
Pyrex wrote:
787Driver wrote:
While this circus is going on in America, China is becoming a more and more dominant player while the US is isolating itself and burning bridges on a daily basis.


And entrenching its dictatorship in its leader... hey, but whatever floats your boat.


so basically what is happening in the US, only that they are further down the road...

best regards
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Agreed
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:39 pm

Pyrex wrote:
787Driver wrote:
While this circus is going on in America, China is becoming a more and more dominant player while the US is isolating itself and burning bridges on a daily basis.


And entrenching its dictatorship in its leader... hey, but whatever floats your boat.


Yeah, OK. If you like dictatorships that's up to you.
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:53 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
Pyrex wrote:
787Driver wrote:
While this circus is going on in America, China is becoming a more and more dominant player while the US is isolating itself and burning bridges on a daily basis.


And entrenching its dictatorship in its leader... hey, but whatever floats your boat.


so basically what is happening in the US, only that they are further down the road...

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Baloney. I think Trump wishes he were a dictator. If anything, Trump has shown how limited the powers of the president are (even though they are still quite vast). He can't hardly get anything done despite majorities in both chambers of congress.
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Re: THIS is why Trump will be re-elected

Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:01 pm

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While this circus is going on in America, China is becoming a more and more dominant player while the US is isolating itself and burning bridges on a daily basis.


:checkmark:

China will be the dominant player, no matter what. 7% growth rate economically with 1,3bn population, in the end, human capital always wins. 17th century: the century of the Dutch, 18th century: the century of the French, 19th century: century of the English, 21st century: the century of China.
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:36 pm

If Democrats actually lose seats in the 2018 elections and it's due, in part, because voters either nominated a far-left candidate or decided to sit out the election because the current one was not anti-Trump enough, I will change my affiliation to Independent. Enough damage is being caused by those whose answer to the Tea Party radicalization is to become the polar opposite: "if you're not left enough, you're nothing". If that's the case, I will have lost all hope for the Democrats.

People talk a lot about the Republican Party leaving some behind, but the Democrats are also going through the same thing.
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:49 pm

787Driver wrote:
While this circus is going on in America, China is becoming a more and more dominant player while the US is isolating itself and burning bridges on a daily basis.


Or, a differing viewpoint: the US is taking back its sovereignty that's its abdicated for far too long on the global stage. Putting our own national interest first is and ought to be the exact thing EVERY nation should do. Time for us to stop being involved in every damn thing around this planet, militarily or otherwise.

And BTW, if you haven't been paying attention, China's ascendancy has been going on for a while. And the military secrets that the Clinton administration gave them is still one of the great crimes of the latter part of the 20th Century.
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:05 pm

slider wrote:
787Driver wrote:
While this circus is going on in America, China is becoming a more and more dominant player while the US is isolating itself and burning bridges on a daily basis.


Or, a differing viewpoint: the US is taking back its sovereignty that's its abdicated for far too long on the global stage. Putting our own national interest first is and ought to be the exact thing EVERY nation should do. Time for us to stop being involved in every damn thing around this planet, militarily or otherwise.

And BTW, if you haven't been paying attention, China's ascendancy has been going on for a while. And the military secrets that the Clinton administration gave them is still one of the great crimes of the latter part of the 20th Century.


Which military secrets were given to China by the Clinton administration?

Don't you think America's national interest is best served to engage the world community instead of turning its back to it? Remember that America has a trade deficit, just let it sink in what that means and how the world would react to your proposal.
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:10 pm

slider wrote:
Time for us to stop being involved in every damn thing around this planet, militarily or otherwise.

Behaving like North Korea (boosting military, ripping trade deals, withdrawing from international agreements, and vilifying friends and foes alike) is not exactly putting interests first.

Withdrawing from the Middle East and assuming pure neutrality on the Israel-Palestine issue serves WAY better, but tell that to a conservative today, and you'll find that they want America First, except expand presence in the Middle East, contain China and Russia, and support Israel no matter what.
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:16 pm

bmacleod wrote:
Bernie will be almost 80 in 2020 - he may decide not to seek re-election to the Senate next year. But still John McCain ran again....

This is more likely....

https://extranewsfeed.com/trump-will-resign-by-the-summer-heres-how-it-s-going-to-happen-f8e80ee4be1e


Well....that was written in March, and it says

Trump Will Resign By The Summer — Here’s How It’s Going To Happen

Aren't the leaves turning?
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:38 pm

Dutchy wrote:
787Driver wrote:
While this circus is going on in America, China is becoming a more and more dominant player while the US is isolating itself and burning bridges on a daily basis.


:checkmark:

China will be the dominant player, no matter what. 7% growth rate economically with 1,3bn population, in the end, human capital always wins. 17th century: the century of the Dutch, 18th century: the century of the French, 19th century: century of the English, 21st century: the century of China.

China is great and all, but if I were you, I'd keep my eye on India. Their population is growing even quicker if you're looking solely at human capital.

And since the Recession, China took a much larger hit than we think. Most consumer goods in the largest economies are made in China and during the last economic crisis people just bought much less consumer goods, reducing the demand for all goods, and having the largest impact on China than any other country in that regard. India is also more open to foreign business than China.

Once India starts getting more ambitious with their military, that's when they will be seen more as a threat than China. India is the current sleeping giant.

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Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:43 pm

727LOVER wrote:
bmacleod wrote:
Bernie will be almost 80 in 2020 - he may decide not to seek re-election to the Senate next year. But still John McCain ran again....

This is more likely....

https://extranewsfeed.com/trump-will-resign-by-the-summer-heres-how-it-s-going-to-happen-f8e80ee4be1e


Well....that was written in March, and it says

Trump Will Resign By The Summer — Here’s How It’s Going To Happen

Aren't the leaves turning?


I thought it said next summer -2018.

Historically no POTUS since FDR has been re-elected in a year ending in 0. Trump is certainly no FDR. He was elected on Nov 8 which history hasn't treated POTUS well.

JFK - Nov 8 1960 - assassinated.

George HW Bush - Nov 8 1988 - defeated by Bill Clinton 1992.

Only FDR Nov 8 1932 has been re-elected and he died in office....
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:59 pm

bmacleod wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
bmacleod wrote:
Bernie will be almost 80 in 2020 - he may decide not to seek re-election to the Senate next year. But still John McCain ran again....

This is more likely....

https://extranewsfeed.com/trump-will-resign-by-the-summer-heres-how-it-s-going-to-happen-f8e80ee4be1e


Well....that was written in March, and it says

Trump Will Resign By The Summer — Here’s How It’s Going To Happen

Aren't the leaves turning?


I thought it said next summer -2018.

Historically no POTUS since FDR has been re-elected in a year ending in 0. Trump is certainly no FDR. He was elected on Nov 8 which history hasn't treated POTUS well.

JFK - Nov 8 1960 - assassinated.

George HW Bush - Nov 8 1988 - defeated by Bill Clinton 1992.

Only FDR Nov 8 1932 has been re-elected and he died in office....


While true, it also depends entirely on who the Democrats push as their 2020 candidate. If it's someone who unites the Democratic party/someone most of them can get behind, then Trump will have an uphill battle. If it's a complete nutcase or someone not progressive/modern enough (like Clinton), they'll easily lose to Trump.

Basically, the Democratic party has to go back to their 2008 roots when they had Barack Obama instead of the 2016 fiasco where the party basically fell apart.
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:03 pm

Flighty wrote:
Trump is a small businessman at heart, and from what I can tell, institutions dislike him, government insiders dislike him and large corporation wealth dislikes him. He has actually been in a weak position all his life - holed up in his building with few institutions backing him. He is taking a lot of pride in annoying the powerful, on behalf of the (electoral college) majority. Political science in action. Why others didn't appeal to the the forgotten electoral college majority before - I have no idea. The point of my post is, unless you appeal to the voters, you will not win.


Trump isn't the first to pit the 'average joe' against the 'elites'. It's very much out of the Nixon playbook. Richard Nixon was the one that came up with the term 'silent majority' and rode it to victory in 1968. He was also very much like Trump in believing the press was his enemy and painting the picture of a media beholden to the 'liberal elites' being out to get him while he fought for the everyday citizen. While Trump doesn't seem to have the analytical firepower that Nixon had, there are certainly some similarities between Trump's populism and how Nixon viewed politics. Not policy, just politics.
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:22 pm

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the 2016 fiasco where the party basically fell apart.

ummmm Clinton won the popular vote.
You're trying to sell fake news.
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:32 pm

salttee wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
the 2016 fiasco where the party basically fell apart.

ummmm Clinton won the popular vote.
You're trying to sell fake news.


Yes, and who is in the White House right now?

That's what I thought. The Democratic party in 2016 made a bad move.

Go take several seats.
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:10 pm

Super80 you don't have an argument, you only have an attitude.
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:14 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
slider wrote:
Time for us to stop being involved in every damn thing around this planet, militarily or otherwise.

Behaving like North Korea (boosting military, ripping trade deals, withdrawing from international agreements, and vilifying friends and foes alike) is not exactly putting interests first.

Withdrawing from the Middle East and assuming pure neutrality on the Israel-Palestine issue serves WAY better, but tell that to a conservative today, and you'll find that they want America First, except expand presence in the Middle East, contain China and Russia, and support Israel no matter what.


It absolutely is. The Iran deal was a farce if not an illegal act anyhow they way it was conducted and it absolutely not in our best interest. Trump's speech at the UN--rocket man comment notwithstanding--was pitch perfect and he was 100% correct in reasserting sovereignty.

Boosting military effectiveness is important. We've had some bad strategy here for a while (especially with the F-35, the Navy Littoral ships, etc).

As far as vilification goes, I remember when Reagan called out the Soviets and everyone thought he was a crazy nuclear cowboy. Turns out he was visionary and called things for what they are. That sort of leadership is refreshing. Now, I do totally concur with the sense that I wish Trump were more statesmanlike, no one would dispute that.

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Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:01 pm

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The Iran deal was a farce if not an illegal act anyhow they way it was conducted and it absolutely not in our best interest.

You seriously need to explain yourself here; do you even know what words like "farce" and "illegal" mean?

Do you think war with Iran is in our interest (especially after the losing wars in Vietnam and Iraq)?
 
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:23 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
787Driver wrote:
While this circus is going on in America, China is becoming a more and more dominant player while the US is isolating itself and burning bridges on a daily basis.


:checkmark:

China will be the dominant player, no matter what. 7% growth rate economically with 1,3bn population, in the end, human capital always wins. 17th century: the century of the Dutch, 18th century: the century of the French, 19th century: century of the English, 21st century: the century of China.

China is great and all, but if I were you, I'd keep my eye on India. Their population is growing even quicker if you're looking solely at human capital.

And since the Recession, China took a much larger hit than we think. Most consumer goods in the largest economies are made in China and during the last economic crisis people just bought much less consumer goods, reducing the demand for all goods, and having the largest impact on China than any other country in that regard. India is also more open to foreign business than China.

Once India starts getting more ambitious with their military, that's when they will be seen more as a threat than China. India is the current sleeping giant.

http://www.ft.com/video/e6c98758-814b-3 ... d42e2623d7


Agreed, India will be a giant as well. India is a democracy (with all its faults) and China a state-controlled economy, so China has the advantage here, China can be more adaptive in their economy and they really push originals designs and innovation, bulk goods are still the vast majority, but change is coming. In the long term, India will "win": younger population and a democracy which will be more stable in the end.
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:42 pm

Flighty wrote:
L410Turbolet wrote:
Isn't it there enough threads about Trump already?



Trump is a small businessman at heart, and from what I can tell, institutions dislike him, government insiders dislike him and large corporation wealth dislikes him. He has actually been in a weak position all his life - holed up in his building with few institutions backing him. He is taking a lot of pride in annoying the powerful, on behalf of the (electoral college) majority. Political science in action. Why others didn't appeal to the the forgotten electoral college majority before - I have no idea. The point of my post is, unless you appeal to the voters, you will not win.

Don't know of you're joking or trolling with this......
For starters -I don't know many small businessmen who are billionaires. This guy was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.
Annoying the powerful? You mean with every executive order or proposal he's made since taking office that does nothing but help big business and the wealthy? OK, sure.
And have you ever heard of a guy named Rex Tillerson? Yeah, he's secretary of state, came from a little startup called Exxon Mobil. I'm sure the Donald doesn't have friends in Corporate Wealth.
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:57 am

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Isn't it there enough threads about Trump already?

Perhaps.

But you know what there isn't? ...anything forcing you to click or comment thereupon, if it bothers you.



salttee wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
the 2016 fiasco where the party basically fell apart.

ummmm Clinton won the popular vote.
You're trying to sell fake news.

In case you weren't aware: winning the popular vote has the same effect in Presidential elections as winning "best dressed" or "miss congeniality"-- none.

The party developed an enormous schism that Hillary was very much contributory toward:
  • She didn't go to all of the places she should've
  • She she woefully underestimated the effect of social media, especially when used maliciously
  • She let personal allegiances (e.g. Debbie Wasserman Schultz) undermine efforts to heal the party rift
  • She picked an absolutely WORTHLESS running mate who didn't help with that effort at all either

....and worst of all,
She apparently believed that she didn't need any of the above, to win.

And scarily enough, what's changed?
There's still completely tone-deaf establishment Dems, squaring off against ideological purists like this Jimmy Dore ass-munch who'll gleefully torpedo everyone else if they can't get EVERYTHING that they want upfront at once.
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:26 am

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It absolutely is. The Iran deal was a farce if not an illegal act anyhow they way it was conducted and it absolutely not in our best interest.


There is nothing illegal about them, much rather the sanction in itself have been illegal. Every nation has the RIGHT to have nuclear weapons, the NTP says so and that has been signed and ratified by the US.

If international relations would be governed by normal rules, and not by consensus dictatorship of five, even suggesting to bring the sanctions back would probably face large damage charges against the US.

Trump's speech at the UN--rocket man comment notwithstanding--was pitch perfect and he was 100% correct in reasserting sovereignty.


sovereignty over countries that are not the US isn´t sovereignty, it is despotism. Article 51 doesn´t mention that an attack has to be done by military force, sanctions could construe an act of war under the UN Charta, if you physically try blocking trade i.e. blockage, it isn´t even up for debate, that is an act of war.

Boosting military effectiveness is important. We've had some bad strategy here for a while (especially with the F-35, the Navy Littoral ships, etc).


out of the ten nations that have surpassed the US in GDP per Capita, just one, Singapore, can be considered an effective military force.Most countries seem to do just fine with defending themselves w/o considering having to fight all the worlds armies at the same time. So what is boosting military effectiveness important for? Subdue the rest of the world?

As far as vilification goes, I remember when Reagan called out the Soviets and everyone thought he was a crazy nuclear cowboy. Turns out he was visionary and called things for what they are. That sort of leadership is refreshing. Now, I do totally concur with the sense that I wish Trump were more statesmanlike, no one would dispute that..


Oh wow.. he learned a Russian proverb and used it..... how impressive. I never though actors could do something like that.

And more impressive, what was the Russians violation? Building a phased array early warning radar. You know, like the one the US was operating since 1980 with the AN/FPS-115.

Another round of Cuba Crisis "you can´t do what we do", nothing more.

And btw, when will the US fullfil its legally binding commitment to a world without nukes, including its own?

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Re: THIS is why Trump will be re-elected

Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:35 am

LAX772LR wrote:
salttee wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
the 2016 fiasco where the party basically fell apart.

ummmm Clinton won the popular vote.
You're trying to sell fake news.

In case you weren't aware: winning the popular vote has the same effect in Presidential elections as winning "best dressed" or "miss congeniality"-- none.


If you think that getting the most people to vote for you in an election is a trivial fact and doesn't lend itself to rebutting a charge that "the party basically fell apart", then we just have to disagree.

LAX772LR wrote:
The party developed an enormous schism that Hillary was very much contributory toward:
I put that schism on Bernie Sanders who never had a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination and who would have done worse against any conservative opponent in the general election.
The pattern is well known: George Wallace, John Anderson, Ross Perot, Ralph Nader and now little Mr. self centered Bernie.
LAX772LR wrote:
She didn't go to all of the places she should've
Great Monday morning quarterbacking there my friend.
LAX772LR wrote:
She she woefully underestimated the effect of social media, especially when used maliciously
Alternatively she underestimated the voting public's appetite for maliciousness and bad taste.
LAX772LR wrote:
She let personal allegiances (e.g. Debbie Wasserman Schultz) undermine efforts to heal the party rift
IMO the whole "Wasserman Schultz knew the questions" was just another bogus attack ala Whitewater, Vince Foster, Seth Rich, Benghazi, and E-mails. All of that was Hype. Schultz did nothing that almost any political operative in any election campaign wouldn't have done.

BTW
Wasn't the Wasserman Shultz story generated by Russian E-Mail hacking? Where's your outrage about that?
LAX772LR wrote:
She picked an absolutely WORTHLESS running mate who didn't help with that effort at all either[/list]
Again, great Monday morning quarterbacking.

LAX772LR wrote:
....and worst of all,
She apparently believed that she didn't need any of the above, to win.
No, worst of all to people like you is the fact that she has fat ankles.
LAX772LR wrote:
There's still completely tone-deaf establishment Dems, squaring off against ideological purists like this Jimmy Dore ass-munch who'll gleefully torpedo everyone else if they can't get EVERYTHING that they want upfront at once.
Jimmy Dore ?
 
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:17 am

salttee wrote:
If you think that getting the most people to vote for you in an election is a trivial fact and doesn't lend itself to rebutting a charge that "the party basically fell apart", then we just have to disagree.

The point of the statement was that winning the popular vote does NOTHING toward the ultimate goal of any serious Presidential campaign: becoming President.


salttee wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
She didn't go to all of the places she should've

Great Monday morning quarterbacking there my friend.

Much more apt description for that: it's called a fact.


salttee wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
She she woefully underestimated the effect of social media, especially when used maliciously

Alternatively she underestimated the voting public's appetite for maliciousness and bad taste.

Indeed, that's exactly what I'm saying, and that was a costly fuck-up on her behalf.


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Wasn't the Wasserman Shultz story generated by Russian E-Mail hacking? Where's your outrage about that?

1) What "the" Wasserman Schultz story?
2) No, even if it was; which in totality it wasn't.
3) Still doesn't change that she should not have allowed personal allegiances to let her retain an albatross


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She picked an absolutely WORTHLESS running mate who didn't help with that effort at all either[/list]

Again, great Monday morning quarterbacking.

Again, see the previous response to such a ridiculous retort :roll:


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No, worst of all to people like you is the fact that she has fat ankles.

What on Earth are you blabbering about? I could not care less about her physicality, I just wanted her to win.


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There's still completely tone-deaf establishment Dems, squaring off against ideological purists like this Jimmy Dore ass-munch who'll gleefully torpedo everyone else if they can't get EVERYTHING that they want upfront at once.

Jimmy Dore ?

Ever consider actually reading the OP?
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:39 am

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winning the popular vote does NOTHING toward the ultimate goal of any serious Presidential campaign: becoming President.
If you say so.

LAX772LR wrote:
What "the" Wasserman Schultz story?
You didn't know that there was a whole media brouhaha when hacked emails showed that Wasserman Schultz "showed bias" against Bernie Sanders? You never heard that the world found out about Wasserman Schultz's bias because the Russians hacked the Democratic convention's E-mail account?
Maybe you have Wasserman Shultz mixed up with Huma Abedin.

LAX772LR wrote:
What on Earth are you blabbering about? I could not care less about her physicality, I just wanted her to win.
You come off like her worst enemy. But maybe that's just your natural disposition.


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Ever consider actually reading the OP?
I read the OP; but I never ever click on Youtube videos posted by people who are too lazy to write out a post in an internet forum. You might notice that while I responded to Super80, I never responded to your OP.
 
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:04 pm

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bmacleod wrote:
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Well....that was written in March, and it says

Trump Will Resign By The Summer — Here’s How It’s Going To Happen

Aren't the leaves turning?


I thought it said next summer -2018.

Historically no POTUS since FDR has been re-elected in a year ending in 0. Trump is certainly no FDR. He was elected on Nov 8 which history hasn't treated POTUS well.

JFK - Nov 8 1960 - assassinated.

George HW Bush - Nov 8 1988 - defeated by Bill Clinton 1992.

Only FDR Nov 8 1932 has been re-elected and he died in office....


While true, it also depends entirely on who the Democrats push as their 2020 candidate. If it's someone who unites the Democratic party/someone most of them can get behind, then Trump will have an uphill battle. If it's a complete nutcase or someone not progressive/modern enough (like Clinton), they'll easily lose to Trump.

Basically, the Democratic party has to go back to their 2008 roots when they had Barack Obama instead of the 2016 fiasco where the party basically fell apart.


Assuming he survives this term and somehow manages to get renominated: How about Trump vs Kamala Harris in 2020?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:11 pm

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Super80 you don't have an argument, you only have an attitude.


Oh dear, how ignorant. The one without an argument here is YOU. The electoral college elects the president, not the popular vote. The Democrats should've won this election easily. The right was (and still is if you haven't noticed) divided by those who support the man currently in power and the more conservative faction. The Democrats won in 2008 and 2012 easily with a person who united their party. In 2016, the Democrats chose someone who divided the party.

Here's hoping they learn their lesson in 2020, because clearly you haven't.
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:13 pm

bmacleod wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
bmacleod wrote:

I thought it said next summer -2018.

Historically no POTUS since FDR has been re-elected in a year ending in 0. Trump is certainly no FDR. He was elected on Nov 8 which history hasn't treated POTUS well.

JFK - Nov 8 1960 - assassinated.

George HW Bush - Nov 8 1988 - defeated by Bill Clinton 1992.

Only FDR Nov 8 1932 has been re-elected and he died in office....


While true, it also depends entirely on who the Democrats push as their 2020 candidate. If it's someone who unites the Democratic party/someone most of them can get behind, then Trump will have an uphill battle. If it's a complete nutcase or someone not progressive/modern enough (like Clinton), they'll easily lose to Trump.

Basically, the Democratic party has to go back to their 2008 roots when they had Barack Obama instead of the 2016 fiasco where the party basically fell apart.


Assuming he survives this term and somehow manages to get renominated: How about Trump vs Kamala Harris in 2020?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris


Could happen, and she would be a much stronger candidate than Hillary was. Not only would most (if not all) of the Democratic party stand behind her, but she'd also get the vote of independents and those from the right who don't like Trump.
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:35 pm

Super80Fan wrote:
bmacleod wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:

While true, it also depends entirely on who the Democrats push as their 2020 candidate. If it's someone who unites the Democratic party/someone most of them can get behind, then Trump will have an uphill battle. If it's a complete nutcase or someone not progressive/modern enough (like Clinton), they'll easily lose to Trump.

Basically, the Democratic party has to go back to their 2008 roots when they had Barack Obama instead of the 2016 fiasco where the party basically fell apart.


Assuming he survives this term and somehow manages to get renominated: How about Trump vs Kamala Harris in 2020?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris


Could happen, and she would be a much stronger candidate than Hillary was. Not only would most (if not all) of the Democratic party stand behind her, but she'd also get the vote of independents and those from the right who don't like Trump.


Senator Harris also has a resemblance to POTUS Barack Obama - her eyes/her smile. Maybe its just me but others might take note....
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:05 pm

Dutchy wrote:
787Driver wrote:
While this circus is going on in America, China is becoming a more and more dominant player while the US is isolating itself and burning bridges on a daily basis.


:checkmark:

China will be the dominant player, no matter what. 7% growth rate economically with 1,3bn population, in the end, human capital always wins. 17th century: the century of the Dutch, 18th century: the century of the French, 19th century: century of the English, 21st century: the century of China.


What did the Dutch do to warrant them getting there own century, I’d say the 17th, 18th and 19th were all century’s where the British dominated.
 
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:41 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
787Driver wrote:
While this circus is going on in America, China is becoming a more and more dominant player while the US is isolating itself and burning bridges on a daily basis.


:checkmark:

China will be the dominant player, no matter what. 7% growth rate economically with 1,3bn population, in the end, human capital always wins. 17th century: the century of the Dutch, 18th century: the century of the French, 19th century: century of the English, 21st century: the century of China.


What did the Dutch do to warrant them getting there own century, I’d say the 17th, 18th and 19th were all century’s where the British dominated.


Dealing in slaves, exploiting other nations and it's original people ah well, the usual stuff the Europeans did.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:20 pm

I would count ANYTHING until Mr. Mueller has finished his work...when his campaign director has the FBI tossing his house...it really does not look good either up or down that food chain...
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:44 pm

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Senator Harris also has a resemblance to POTUS Barack Obama - her eyes/her smile. Maybe its just me but others might take note....

Senator Harris is also from a fairly safe blue state which means Democrats would be playing it safe while Republicans hammer away at Democrats for having another "liberal elite" who has never set foot in rural America. You wanna give Trump a run for his money? Jason Kander from MO. Young, served in the military, was twice elected MO's Secretary of State, and only narrowly lost election to the Senate in a state that Trump carried by a larger margin.

THAT'S the kind of Democrat I want on the 2020 ticket. And get Pelosi off leadership in the House. We're never gonna win it back if she's still around. The same goes for Schumer: we need to shake up leadership. Be around for guidance and mentoring, but let younger folks lead the caucuses in both chambers. Imagine having Tim Ryan from OH becoming leader of the Democrats and having Jon Tester or Sherrod Brown being leader in the Senate.
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Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:25 am

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Assuming he survives this term and somehow manages to get renominated: How about Trump vs Kamala Harris in 2020?


The Bernie Bros are already warming up the attack machine for Kamala Harris. I'm seeing all sorts of attacks on social media. Presumably Bernie will run again in 2020, so I suspect the Democratic vote will be split. Odds on he'll be out of the picture by 2024, so it's probably better for Harris to wait until then.
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I would count ANYTHING until Mr. Mueller has finished his work

Why? What's Mueller actually going to accomplish, regardless of what he finds?

...he could legitimately come out with the most damning and corroborated evidence against Trump tomorrow, and half the country would call it "fake news."

The House Republicans would probably ignore it; and even IF they drafted articles of impeachment, there's no way in hell that 67 Senators would agree on anything, much less a vote to convict.

We're just too polarized for it to matter. :(
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Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:57 pm

One name to worry about: Elizabeth Warren. Having "war" in her name might be disconcerting to some.

Not to mention she's on the Armed Service Committee but if the direction the world seems headed continues - she may push for reinstatement of the draft should she manage to get elected POTUS in 2020.

zckls04 wrote:
Presumably Bernie will run again in 2020, so I suspect the Democratic vote will be split.


Highly likely the GOP vote will also be split if Cruz or Rubio run again. Assuming he doesn't get kicked out of office Trump may decide to leave the GOP and run as an independent. :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:32 am

Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. However, they both have very different ways of accomplishing their goals.

Republicans take a "my way or the highway" and "party before country" approach.
Democrats take a "let's get everyone involved" approach.
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Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:34 am

bmacleod wrote:
zckls04 wrote:
Presumably Bernie will run again in 2020, so I suspect the Democratic vote will be split.


Highly likely the GOP vote will also be split if Cruz or Rubio run again. Assuming he doesn't get kicked out of office Trump may decide to leave the GOP and run as an independent. :rotfl: :rotfl:


I doubt Bernie will run again for president. However, I can see Cruz or Rubio beating tRump and tRump mounting a "you losers better vote for me or else" campaign, thereby handing the White House to whatever Democrat happens to be nominated.
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Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:44 am

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Highly likely the GOP vote will also be split if Cruz or Rubio run again. Assuming he doesn't get kicked out of office Trump may decide to leave the GOP and run as an independent. :rotfl: :rotfl:


The GOP vote wasn't split in 2016, so I don't see why it would be split in 2020 with the same candidates. Remember that the right always unite around their candidate, no matter how far away he is from their ideals. The left are the only ones dumb enough to bicker about how ideologically pure their candidates are. It's because the right are a bit older and wiser. They know that getting half of something is better than getting all of nothing.
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Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:18 am

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The Far Left has already made up its mind that if it doesn't get exactly its way, then they're going to torpedo the Dems.


I just read this again and I am reminded that this is how the "tea party" came to be. The difference is: the "far left" Democrats actually lay out a plan to help the average Joe. The "tea party" says that but give to the rich.
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Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:23 am

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Highly likely the GOP vote will also be split if Cruz or Rubio run again. Assuming he doesn't get kicked out of office Trump may decide to leave the GOP and run as an independent. :rotfl: :rotfl:


The GOP vote wasn't split in 2016, so I don't see why it would be split in 2020 with the same candidates. Remember that the right always unite around their candidate, no matter how far away he is from their ideals. The left are the only ones dumb enough to bicker about how ideologically pure their candidates are. It's because the right are a bit older and wiser. They know that getting half of something is better than getting all of nothing.


They were split in 2016. Remember the clown car that was the nomination process? The time that was actually given to hand size during serious debates? The problem was that the mantra of "party before country" was so ingrained into Republicans that they actually believe it is okay for a Republican to treat women poorly and for a president to sound like a 10 year old. Party before country. White is right.

Democrats need something similar. About how America is great when we all do well. But, the right has already conditioned many of us to believe we are doing well if we just give everything to the rich....
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Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:35 am

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I just read this again and I am reminded that this is how the "tea party" came to be. The difference is: the "far left" Democrats actually lay out a plan to help the average Joe. The "tea party" says that but give to the rich.

There's a far more fundamental difference than that:

The Far Right hates government, so the idea of a shut-it-down (or burn-it-down) campaign platform fits right in with their general ideology.

Even if they lose control of government due to their candidates' oddities/incompetence, as they so often did with the likes of Sharron "Second Amendment Remedies" Angle, Christine "I'm Not A Witch" O'Donnell, and Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin)-- they can still limit, obstruct, mitigate, and even shut down government simply by serving as the wrench in its cogs.

In contrast, the whole ideology of the Democratic Socialism-embracing Far Left, is belief in the power of government as a force for the betterment of human rights/life/fortune/etc. Which is why constantly fucking up elections that should've gone to the Democrats, acting as a spoiler in general, or thinking that $27 donations would ever effectively counter multi-billion donors in the era of Citizens United--- ain't working for them. And probably never will.



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zckls04 wrote:
The GOP vote wasn't split in 2016

They were split in 2016. Remember the clown car that was the nomination process?

No they weren't.

The whole point of a nomination process is to take split support and narrow it down to one-- they very successfully did just that. By the time of the election, there was certainly no split. Trump had the same 81% approval by Republicans that he currently has now.
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