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Christmas love it or loath it

Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:27 am

Simple question, do you enjoy Christmas or do you wish it would all go away.
For me its the later.
I am an athiest so see no point in celebrating something I do not belive in.
The commercialism of it all, go buy lots of gifts and overspend on food drinks etc.
Christmas carols every where you go.
I have a group of freinds of the same ilk, we get together and eat and have a few drinks, but there is no tree no presents etc, its the way we prefer to spend the day.
Nothing against those that look forward to the day from a religous point of view , but its not for me

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Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:03 am

I enjoy getting together with friends and family, eating and drinking way too much.

The rest of it, I hate.
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Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:24 am

I'm like scbriml. In fact I have 4 dinners and 2 lunches planned already for the holidays, most with family, across two countries.

Getting presents for everyone is just not going to happen, though. Or maybe 0,001 bitcoins paperwallets for everyone.
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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:41 am

An767 wrote:
Simple question, do you enjoy Christmas or do you wish it would all go away.
For me its the later.
I am an athiest so see no point in celebrating something I do not belive in.
The commercialism of it all, go buy lots of gifts and overspend on food drinks etc.
Christmas carols every where you go.
I have a group of freinds of the same ilk, we get together and eat and have a few drinks, but there is no tree no presents etc, its the way we prefer to spend the day.
Nothing against those that look forward to the day from a religous point of view , but its not for me

So, you have found a way to "celebrate" peace, friendship and amity in a manner that differs somewhat from the practices of others.

But you wish the day to go away for the selfish reason that it means nothing to you?

Do you celebrate a National Day of Thanksgiving (standard in many countries, different dates)? If you do, do you loudly protest when someone offers up a prayer of thanksgiving because it is not "your thing"?

I am not a believer. Color me agnostic (not atheist, please). I will celebrate the social aspects of Xmas at least three times in different family groupings. And I expect that grace will be said at two meals. I might bow my head or stare straight ahead. I might even join in an Amen.

Do you wish to eliminate religious Christmas scenes from the grounds of city hall? I'm with you on that.

Do you want to rid my county of a 100-yr old Peace Memorial that commemorates our 42 honored WW 1 dead, because the Peace Cross Monument is in the shape of a cross? It sits in the median of a highway on "public" land. Atheists brought suit (and won) to have it removed. I'm not with you on that.

Do you want to be the Grinch who stole Christmas? Please go away, if only for one day.
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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:41 am

scbriml wrote:
I enjoy getting together with friends and family, eating and drinking way too much.

The rest of it, I hate.


Exactly. What I do hate is that they are public holidays. What a waste of free time, I rather have them added to my minimum paid leave, just like any other religious holiday.
Those single/two day are a complete waste, too short to get relaxation, can't get shopping or government stuff done, And on good Friday you can't even really go out, thanks to Christian Taliban.

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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:41 am

BobPatterson wrote:
An767 wrote:
Simple question, do you enjoy Christmas or do you wish it would all go away.
For me its the later.
I am an athiest so see no point in celebrating something I do not belive in.
The commercialism of it all, go buy lots of gifts and overspend on food drinks etc.
Christmas carols every where you go.
I have a group of freinds of the same ilk, we get together and eat and have a few drinks, but there is no tree no presents etc, its the way we prefer to spend the day.
Nothing against those that look forward to the day from a religous point of view , but its not for me

So, you have found a way to "celebrate" peace, friendship and amity in a manner that differs somewhat from the practices of others.

But you wish the day to go away for the selfish reason that it means nothing to you?
No the day can stay, but with the commercalism of the day has taken away the (true) meaning

Do you celebrate a National Day of Thanksgiving (standard in many countries, different dates)? If you do, do you loudly protest when someone offers up a prayer of thanksgiving because it is not "your thing"?
I do not celebrate thanksgiving . I live in Australia , no such day here . Australia day is a day that devides the country google for more info

I am not a believer. Color me agnostic (not atheist, please). I will celebrate the social aspects of Xmas at least three times in different family groupings. And I expect that grace will be said at two meals. I might bow my head or stare straight ahead. I might even join in an Amen.
Good for you . I will have lunch and dinner with friends but no Amens will be offered

Do you wish to eliminate religious Christmas scenes from the grounds of city hall? I'm with you on that.
No as I said I hold nothing against those that do, but its not for me

Do you want to rid my county of a 100-yr old Peace Memorial that commemorates our 42 honored WW 1 dead, because the Peace Cross Monument is in the shape of a cross? It sits in the median of a highway on "public" land. Atheists brought suit (and won) to have it removed. I'm not with you on that.
I do not want to rid your country or any other of a memorial to the dead. That is not what my post was about

Do you want to be the Grinch who stole Christmas? Please go away, if only for one day.

I do not want to steal christmas ,but those who know me realise that i do not celebrate the way many others do, they respect that.
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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:45 am

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[b]No the day can stay, but with the commercalism of the day has taken away the (true) meaning


True meaming? A made up woman, after being raped by a made up character, gives birth to a made up kid on a made up date, stolen from pagan religious celebrations including some of its symbols?

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Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:46 pm

For two years in a row I managed to get 1 week more vacation out of it though.

The week between Christmas and New Year is mandatory vacation in my company, but our client want somebody on call in case something happens. So I'm on call, but nothing will probably happen, or even if it does it won't be more than some hours of work. Meanwhile I'll be able to take that week of vacation later. I also get paid more for that week of "work" spent at home !
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Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:49 pm

Bah humbug.

Christmas is about family, friends, giving, receiving, charity and resting. It’s about the magic of children and Father Christmas.

Don’t let commercialisation get to you...

If you are religious, there is a spiritual aspect aspect to it too.
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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:49 pm

I've realized I'm becoming a bit of a Scrooge with the holiday, but I think it's because I have yet to find my other half to share it with. I like getting together with friends, but I'm starting to hate being the only single person in the room (it doesn't help that NYD and Valentine's Day are just around the corner as reminders of it).

Christmas lost its meaning to me years ago. To me, it's just another regular day.
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Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:13 pm

Love it, despite being solidly in the atheist camp. It adds a nice dose of light and festivities to an otherwise drab and depressing part of the year, where we only have 6 hours of daylight, and the clouds more often than not are heavy and shut out most of the sunlight. But I can understand if people in more temperate parts of the world think otherwise.

But Christmas in December as I see it isn't really a christian thing anyway. It is more a christian appropriation/compromise of various old northern european festivities that did exactly what I just described. In most of Scandinavia we never even bothered to change the name of it all, it's still called "Yule".
 
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Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:35 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
I've realized I'm becoming a bit of a Scrooge with the holiday, but I think it's because I have yet to find my other half to share it with. I like getting together with friends, but I'm starting to hate being the only single person in the room (it doesn't help that NYD and Valentine's Day are just around the corner as reminders of it).

Christmas lost its meaning to me years ago. To me, it's just another regular day.


To each their own, but I love being single as my friends have either struggled or are struggling with relationships.

As for Christmas, I only celebrate the getting together with family and friends, having meals, and of course gifts. The past two I like that St. Paul, the capital of Minnesota, as made efforts to bring people together with a European style Christmas market at Union Depot, plus Canadian Pacific brings their Holiday Train very close to my part of town so I go see it and donate food. A few years ago it was always the case where my family and I had to go to church. On the way home the conversation was on our beliefs and I stated that I'm more agnostic, and my dad got pissed. Since then I've never been to church and have no plans to do so, but I will pretend I'm praying for the family meals. So I celebrate the non-religious and commercial part of the holidays (but not Black Friday, screw that).
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Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:00 pm

I like Christmas as an excuse to try and find my friends/family the "perfect" gift.

I'm usually happy if I can manage to find a "perfect" gift for one person.
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Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:03 pm

In Russia Christmas is a religious holiday and is celebrated from January 7. This is due to the calendar difference in the new style calendar in Russia, shifted by two weeks, since before 1918 in Russia was the Julian calendar.In Russia Christmas is a religious holiday and is celebrated from January 7. This is due to the calendar difference in the new style calendar in Russia, shifted by two weeks, since before 1918 in Russia was the Julian calendar.
And there's a calendar style 'Orthodox Orthodox' (or old Orthodox, in Russia they are called old believers, аthough in reality the term 'old believers' is more suited to those who adhere to the pre-Christian Slavic beliefs.), so, according to the calendar of the old believers now comes 7525 year from the creation of the Earth.

But in Russia in General is more common secular holiday called "New Year" celebrated on the night of 31 December to 1 January.
And this year we will have holidays from December 30 to January 8 - these days all over the country are officially announced by the weekend.
 
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Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:42 pm

Love it. I love the lights and all the b.s. that goes with it. Bring it on.
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Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:32 pm

I have no problem with it - neither love it nor hate it.

We will see friends, family and enjoy good food. I had to buy only one gift, so no consumer stress involved. And since I don't turn on the radio - I prefer to select the background noise as I want it - I don't even have to endure all those horrid christmas songs ("Last Christmas" - Urrgh...).
 
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Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:01 pm

I tend to think that Christmas should be whatever you want it to be. Some people say to me that it is just like any other day - argument back is that it is only like any other day because you treat it like one.

I am not religious at all but love Christmas as a time to catch up with family and friends and to carry on long family traditions. OUr "Christmas" lasts from Christmas Eve until the day after boxing day with gifts, games, food and drink all done with friends and families.
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Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:02 pm

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Love it. I love the lights and all the b.s. that goes with it. Bring it on.

Yup, same here. Enjoy it very much.

Sure it can be stressful and is the end of another year and has a lot going on, but there is something very special and enjoyable about it all. I look forward to it each year and miss it when its gone (and then look forward to it in the next year :santahat: ). Love it.

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Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:53 pm

I love the holiday season.

It's a time to put on the red and green festive lights all over the house. I also get to wear my limited edition IZOD Advantage Polos in Away-in-a-manger pink and Mary-really-was-a-virgin red. For Christmas dinner I will wear my Premium Essentials plaid button down in Rudolph's-little-nose red.

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Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:07 am

I love it myself and look forward to it every year. A great time when people seem to behave better towards each other when shopping. No on line shopping for us. :santahat:
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Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:17 am

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Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:25 am

I enjoy Christmas with family and friends. Love the foods and drinks.
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:59 am

Suffice to say if you want to bash Christianity then Christmas is not for you. As fr being to commericial stores are just taking advantage of the hoom in sales. I don't get into it as much as others because I don't have children but it's a time to be thankful for what one has.
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Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:42 am

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Suffice to say if you want to bash Christianity then Christmas is not for you. As fr being to commericial stores are just taking advantage of the hoom in sales. I don't get into it as much as others because I don't have children but it's a time to be thankful for what one has.


But there are some who are against the modern interpretation of Christmas who remain Christians. Take this priest from Northern Ireland who argues that it has lost all meaning and it is time that Christians drop the word "Christmas". Is he "bashing Christianity"?

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news ... 27677.html
 
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Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:28 pm

I have no problems celebrating Saturnalia!
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:53 am

RoySFlying wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Suffice to say if you want to bash Christianity then Christmas is not for you. As fr being to commericial stores are just taking advantage of the hoom in sales. I don't get into it as much as others because I don't have children but it's a time to be thankful for what one has.


But there are some who are against the modern interpretation of Christmas who remain Christians. Take this priest from Northern Ireland who argues that it has lost all meaning and it is time that Christians drop the word "Christmas". Is he "bashing Christianity"?

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news ... 27677.html


Christmas has lost its meaning for him... that priest.... Northern Ireland christianty can be
extreme in its thinking - the Christian Alabama of Europe in someways.
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:16 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Suffice to say if you want to bash Christianity then Christmas is not for you.

Yes, because nothing says "Christian" like an overweight man who lives in a workshop in the North Pole where elves slave away making iPhones and PS and bikes, all to be delivered in one night on a sleigh with 8 flying reindeer and a 9th bright red nosed reindeer.

Then again, Christians also believe a talking snake convinced a woman made from a rib to eat from a forbidden tree and as such we are eternally cursed, so why not?

You know which culture truly puts Christ in Christmas? Hispanics. Their "Christmas" doesn't have Santa, but rather a nativity set with an empty manger. On the 25th, parents place a baby Jesus in the manger and surround it with presents. I have yet to see American households follow this tradition. It's always about Santa.

And as for "Christmas is not for you if you bash Christianity", the season is whatever you make it to be. I'm an atheist, I will criticize the double standards set forth by religion (like I just did), but even I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to get together with friends and family and exchange gifts. I'm pretty certain that in an opposite manner there are Christians who don't partake in the festivities because of how commercialized it has become.
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:16 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
I enjoy getting together with friends and family, eating and drinking way too much.

The rest of it, I hate.


Exactly. What I do hate is that they are public holidays. What a waste of free time, I rather have them added to my minimum paid leave, just like any other religious holiday.
Those single/two day are a complete waste, too short to get relaxation, can't get shopping or government stuff done, And on good Friday you can't even really go out, thanks to Christian Taliban.

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:shock:



:lol:

You sound like a great guy. FMD, complaining about getting 2 days off.

We've got a awesome guy at work just like you. Not many people talk to him.

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Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:01 pm

Freakysh wrote:
You sound like a great guy. FMD, complaining about getting 2 days off.


you sound like your reading skills are not as good as you think they are, because i never said i am complaining about two days off.

Happy Saturnalia!

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Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:11 pm

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True meaming? A made up woman, after being raped by a made up character, gives birth to a made up kid on a made up date, stolen from pagan religious celebrations including some of its symbols?


Witness the person whose religion is atheism. He is compelled to, not only comment, but to ridicule those of faith and their religion/faith.

An767 wrote:
Simple question, do you enjoy Christmas or do you wish it would all go away.


The Christmas season? I love it. My wife and I love to entertain, and our biggest season is the holiday season, starting with Thanksgiving and ending with New Year's Day.

I love the decorations and the lights. I love having friends and family over, or going over to their place. I love wandering or driving the neighborhoods. I used to run in the evening in different neighborhoods, just to see the lights.

My kids are older (the Boy has finally given up his belief in Santa), so the magic of Christmas morning has dimmed. But, it's still a special time, when the kids (and the wife) realize I have been paying attention all year long to their wishful utterances.

Commercialism? You know what? Like just about anything in life, if you choose to become upset with something, it's your own fault. Choose not to be a victim, you'll be happier for it.

The religious significance? I'd say I'm not really an Agnostic, more of a Theist. I know something is out there, just not sure what. I will go to church (Catholic) on Christmas Eve for the fellowship with friends and family. Truth is, I prefer to go to an Orthodox Church for the ritual. There is something soothing about it, but I settle for a Catholic church, which I consider "Orthodox lite".

Who cares? It's the holiday season. I say Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, interchangeably. And, I thoroughly enjoy myself this time of year.

So, to all on A-Net, and everywhere else:

Merry Christmas
Joyful Kwanzaa
Chanukah Sameach
Happy Winter Solstice
In short, Happy Holidays & may they be safe and joyous.
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:41 pm

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tommy1808 wrote:
True meaming? A made up woman, after being raped by a made up character, gives birth to a made up kid on a made up date, stolen from pagan religious celebrations including some of its symbols?


Witness the person whose religion is atheism. He is compelled to, not only comment, but to ridicule those of faith and their religion/faith.


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Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:46 am

Christmas - the time of the year where you have to pretend to be nice to the people you can't stand for the rest of the year. I don't get the point of expected and socially obligated gift giving. I have no interest in the Pagan rituals associated with Christmas. It all seems so contrived and unnecessary. Thankfully I usually have to work on Christmas Day. Personally, I reckon they should scrap mandatory public holidays and just give everyone additional annual leave to individuals to take whenever.

With all that said, I love to spend time with the people that I want to spend time with, and that isn't any different for me from the rest of the year really., but we will eat and drink more special foods/drinks than usual. The Good thing about the Southern Hemisphere is that it is Summer, so the days are long and warm so if you really can't be bothered spending time with others you can go for a walk/run/swim/drive. I just wish that it wasn't a mandatory public holiday which forced shops and restaurants closed
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Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:56 am

bagoldex wrote:
Are you twelve? What did you expect, respect?


So, only a child should expect civility and respect?

aerorobnz wrote:
the time of the year where you have to pretend to be nice to the people you can't stand for the rest of the year


Only if you buckle to some contrived social constraint. Personally, if I won't associate with you during the year, I see even less reason to associate with you during the holidays.

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gift giving


This afternoon, I wrapped all the presents I've gathered. Put them under the tree, and waited for the wife and children to get home. This year my gifts were the first ones under the tree...yes, we do tend to procrastinate.
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Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:47 am

fr8mech wrote:
bagoldex wrote:
Are you twelve? What did you expect, respect?


So, only a child should expect civility and respect?


For believing in a god, yes. There's no excuse once one hits middle school. It's the single most successful con in history.
 
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Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:18 am

fr8mech wrote:
bagoldex wrote:
Are you twelve? What did you expect, respect?


So, only a child should expect civility and respect?.


i don´t see what is civil about reinforcing delusions in people having them.

And civility and respect? Come back when "Atheist" can´t be used a swearword anymore. http://www.theblaze.com/news/2011/12/02 ... do-rapists

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Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:52 am

I enjoy the time off, I enjoy the get togethers. I find people are a bit kinder around this time of year and seem to give more, not sure if they feel obligated to or whether its just they actually feel better and happier. Its also a time of year of stress and financial burden for some. The fact this holiday was made up to celebrate the birth of Jesus is the confusing part to me, as nowhere in the Bible does it say to celebrate his birth just his death. Do I love it... No, I just enjoy this time of year in general and not really for any one reason. Anyone celebrating it for there own reasons is OK with me, how you celebrate it is a personal preference..... Now were did I put that drink. :santahat:
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:37 am

My grandkids continue to grow up too fast, but I still have had two generations of kids to share the Holidays with. Since teenagers can still get excited about Christmas I can still look forward to a great day, happy grandkids and good food.

I'm behind getting the lights and other stuff up this year thanks to a nasty chest infection, but a dozen threads are up - just before cold weather hit. The large tree is still in hte storage unit, but a small pink tree has been put up by the wife. Works for me.
 
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:07 am

fr8mech wrote:
Who cares? It's the holiday season. I say Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, interchangeably.


This is what I find hilarious and, I hate to say it, the only thing I agree with Trump on - it's Christmas. It's not "the holiday season" (whatever the heck that means). No Muslim says "happy holiday" at Eid, jews don't say "happy holiday" when it's hanukkah. I'm a complete atheist but I'll wish people happy Christmas and Eid mubarak, etc. Happy holiday? :banghead:

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And civility and respect? Come back when "Atheist" can´t be used a swearword anymore.


Add "leftie" and "liberal" to that list. :rotfl:
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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:06 am

scbriml wrote:
It's not "the holiday season"


Of course it is. Several holidays, of different cultures come together, starting with Thanksgiving and ending with New Year's Day, or The Epiphany as the case may be. Why not call it The Holiday Season and say Happy Holidays?
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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:26 pm

I have mixed feelings as to Christmas. It is a benchmark that reminds us of the past year for better or worse. There can be be family and personal issues that it can bring out and really don't want to deal with but also you love as don't see some family often. There is too much set on gifts and commercialism, not enough on caring with our fellow humans but it can be an opportunity to do good with donations of time and money. Politics over the past year have also affected me and many others this particular holiday season.
 
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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:32 pm

I am not a Christian, but I don't mind *most* of Christmas, the lights, the trees, the parties, the eggnog. It's rather fun even if I don't celebrate it. One thing I hate is the damned Christmas music blaring incessantly from early November on.

By the time Dec. 25th rolls around, you've heard "Walking in a Winter Wonderland" about 37,000 times.
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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:37 pm

scbriml wrote:
fr8mech wrote:
Who cares? It's the holiday season. I say Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, interchangeably.


This is what I find hilarious and, I hate to say it, the only thing I agree with Trump on - it's Christmas. It's not "the holiday season" (whatever the heck that means). No Muslim says "happy holiday" at Eid, jews don't say "happy holiday" when it's hanukkah. I'm a complete atheist but I'll wish people happy Christmas and Eid mubarak, etc. Happy holiday? :banghead: ./quote]

Imo saying that its called Christmas is an Anglo-centric thing, expectinge everyone to use your name for the holidays. Most non Anglican countries have their own name for the holidays and tradition. You don't even celebrate on the the right day/for the right reason.

Therefore calling it the holidays is imo better than saying Christmas.
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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:28 pm

Wow I guess we have lost the month long December snow fall on the home page for the holidays this year.

Global Warming? :melting:


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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:59 am

scbriml wrote:
fr8mech wrote:
Who cares? It's the holiday season. I say Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, interchangeably.


This is what I find hilarious and, I hate to say it, the only thing I agree with Trump on - it's Christmas. It's not "the holiday season" (whatever the heck that means). No Muslim says "happy holiday" at Eid, jews don't say "happy holiday" when it's hanukkah. I'm a complete atheist but I'll wish people happy Christmas and Eid mubarak, etc. Happy holiday? :banghead:

tommy1808 wrote:
And civility and respect? Come back when "Atheist" can´t be used a swearword anymore.


Add "leftie" and "liberal" to that list. :rotfl:


I am amazed at the amount of Atheists on this board. I am probably more of an Agnostic than a true Atheist but I too love Christmas I have a lot of fond memories growing up with family that have now all passed away. What I totally resent is people who feel that they can bitch and force other people to take their nativity scenes down or whatever. I believe in letting people show whatever faith they want and live the life you want as long as you're not hurting anyone. I am not religious but let people live and let live I am tired of all the butthurt as long as you're not forcing your life and religion on others let people have the things that make them happy.
 
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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:45 am

stratosphere wrote:
I am amazed at the amount of Atheists on this board.


Why? Even in the US non believers tamham Catholics, and this is an international forum with members from many countries there the majority is non-religious.
Why do you think religious groups cry for the government to help them maintain relevant? Bush's faith based initiative or those billions of tax payer money for religious indoctination in schools DeVos even wants to expand...

I am probably more of an Agnostic than a true Atheist but I too love Christmas I have a lot of fond memories growing up with family that have now all passed away.


Yup, we all quite fond of our traditions.

What I totally resent is people who feel that they can bitch and force other people to take their nativity scenes down or whatever. I believe in letting people show whatever faith they want and live the life you want as long as you're not hurting anyone.


On private property anyone should be able to do whatever they want.

I am not religious but let people live and let live I am tired of all the butthurt as long as you're not forcing your life and religion on others let people have the things that make them happy.


Children usually get religious lifestyle forced upon them by their parents. Up and including school choice to the point where even supreme court confirmed that Amish kids don't have a right to a full education, because religious tradition.
Children almost always happen to have the religion of their parents, out of the millions of religions they can chose from. Free choice isn't involved and believe should be freely chosen.

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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:25 am

Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
Imo saying that its called Christmas is an Anglo-centric thing, expectinge everyone to use your name for the holidays. Most non Anglican countries have their own name for the holidays and tradition. You don't even celebrate on the the right day/for the right reason.

Therefore calling it the holidays is imo better than saying Christmas.


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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:42 pm

I used to love Christmas, now it's just another day. We used to go visiting family, now no one want to go anymore (I still want to go). It's December 26th and my sister is taking down the decorations already :mad: We used to leave them up until after new years.
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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:26 pm

It really is not about spending lots of money on gifts for whoever. I think that Christmas is a time to spend with family by eating a meal together, by being in the same room on the same part of the world (when possible or SKYPEing / Face-timing). And for those who say that Jesus is the reason for the season, going to church as a extended family.
 
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Re: Christmas love it or loath it

Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:30 pm

Hey guys,
Christmas is a time of celebrating the ties that bind, be they friendship, family, religious, cultural, whatever.
Let people celebrate whatever Christmas means to them in whatever way they feel they want to.
Let people celebrate whatever important religious or non-religious occasion means to them in whatever way they feel they want to.
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