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obelau24 wrote:Oh for gods sake, hardly an issue. You seriously want someone with “geopolitical” awareness to review everything the company does? It’s a private company, not Air Force One. A political gaffe but Tibet is a separate country regardless what the Chinese want you to believe.
obelau24 wrote:Oh for gods sake, hardly an issue. You seriously want someone with “geopolitical” awareness to review everything the company does? It’s a private company, not Air Force One. A political gaffe but Tibet is a separate country regardless what the Chinese want you to believe.
Atlwarrior wrote:From a objective point of view, very petty, and quite childish reaction.
Atlwarrior wrote:From a objective point of view, very petty, and quite childish reaction.
mcdu wrote:If DL wants to be more than a local carrier they need to be world aware. Obviously they aren’t with this lack of awareness.
x1234 wrote:Actually the only thing wrong is the Tibet listing. Tibet is part of China and there's no border controls between Tibet and e.g. Shanghai like state to state. Taiwan has ALWAYS been independent and uses its own currency, PART OF THE US Visa Waiver Program and needs its own page on delta.com. Or Delta can do what they do in the Olympics and label Taiwan without its flag or name it as "Chinese Taipei". Yeah people in Mainland China are shocked to know that Taiwan is part of the US VISA Waiver program when I tell them...
Super80Fan wrote:Delta should just tell China to take a hike.
x1234 wrote:Actually the only thing wrong is the Tibet listing. Tibet is part of China and there's no border controls between Tibet and e.g. Shanghai like state to state. Taiwan has ALWAYS been independent and uses its own currency, PART OF THE US Visa Waiver Program and needs its own page on delta.com. Or Delta can do what they do in the Olympics and label Taiwan without its flag or name it as "Chinese Taipei". Yeah people in Mainland China are shocked to know that Taiwan is part of the US VISA Waiver program when I tell them...
Super80Fan wrote:Delta should just tell China to take a hike.
cvgComair wrote:hopefully DL and other airlines learn a lesson from this.
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:People are too brittle these days. WHO CARES.
mcdu wrote:cvgComair wrote:hopefully DL and other airlines learn a lesson from this.
What other airlines have made this mistake?
atcsundevil wrote:Please stick to discussing the aviation side of this story. Political commentary belongs in the Non Aviation Forum .
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Sightseer wrote:the Chinese people take great pride in national unity, hence their reaction to any perceived slights that suggest a disunited China.
Super80Fan wrote:Delta should just tell China to take a hike.
smallvoyageur wrote:
Countries should always be careful when describing other nations, you only have to remember about Puerto Rico, Kosovo or the Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas).
scbriml wrote:atcsundevil wrote:Please stick to discussing the aviation side of this story. Political commentary belongs in the Non Aviation Forum .
✈️ atcsundevil
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tphuang wrote:[...], completely free movement between Tibet and other Chinese provinces.
scbriml wrote:Sightseer wrote:the Chinese people take great pride in national unity, hence their reaction to any perceived slights that suggest a disunited China.
I'd be willing to bet at least 90% of Chinese don't have a clue who or what "Delta" is.
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:People are too brittle these days. WHO CARES.
Super80Fan wrote:Delta should just tell China to take a hike.
c933103 wrote:tphuang wrote:[...], completely free movement between Tibet and other Chinese provinces.
Not true for foreigner travelling between the two area, I believe
cvgComair wrote:c933103 wrote:tphuang wrote:[...], completely free movement between Tibet and other Chinese provinces.
Not true for foreigner travelling between the two area, I believe
Correct, you must get a separate travel permit to visit Tibet and you are not allowed to travel on your own outside Lhasa. There is certainly not free movement between Tibet and the rest of China.
janders wrote:Yes pretty ignorant move by the companies that got called out. Certainly creating a public firestorm in China cant come to any good for them..
scbriml wrote:atcsundevil wrote:Please stick to discussing the aviation side of this story. Political commentary belongs in the Non Aviation Forum .
✈️ atcsundevil
Er...
Sightseer wrote:the Chinese people take great pride in national unity, hence their reaction to any perceived slights that suggest a disunited China.
I'd be willing to bet at least 90% of Chinese don't have a clue who or what "Delta" is.Super80Fan wrote:Delta should just tell China to take a hike.
As much as I disagree with the World kowtowing to the "One China" bullshit, if DL did tell China to take a hike, then China would probably tell Delta to do likewise.
DDR wrote:Agree with all of scbriml's points. It is too bad we have to bow down to China regarding Taiwan. There is no denying that Taiwan is a completely separate country. If you don't believe me, then ask a member of the government in Taipei.
tommy1808 wrote:I agree with you tommy. What would be really great is if we could get Americans to stop buying cheaply made products from China. Without exports, the whole Chinese economy would come crashing down.DDR wrote:Agree with all of scbriml's points. It is too bad we have to bow down to China regarding Taiwan. There is no denying that Taiwan is a completely separate country. If you don't believe me, then ask a member of the government in Taipei.
Or the people living there.
It's bad enough that embassy are in Bejing and not in Taipei, where any democratics countries embassy belongs.
The way I see it, we can tell China to take a hike now, where it hurts a little, or wait 20 more years and it really hurts... or the PRC citizens tell their local junta to take a hike, and elect a government.
Best regards
Thomas
DDR wrote:I agree with you tommy. What would be really great is if we could get Americans to stop buying cheaply made products from China. Without exports, the whole Chinese economy would come crashing down.
NichCage wrote:What is the Chinese government doing? Going on airlines websites to make sure Taiwan isn't considered an separate country?
Also, the Chinese government does some weird things as well. For example, KL needs an Asia brand to fly to Taiwan while AF, TK, and EK don't seem to need it. They just launched TPE and they didn't mind at all.
dlflynhayn wrote:OMG you all probably call Hawaii a part of the United States when legally it is wrong,it was an illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy(Thanks to Sanford B. Dole)yes the DOLE company that has raped Hawaii clean.An illegal annexation of Hawaii was wrong so really Hawaii is part of or still the Hawaiian Kingdom.Just saying theres conflict every where in this world but you can't get mad at someone just cause they didn't know just educate them.Anyways since DL is pretty big in china they will apologize just like Bill Clinton did to the Hawaiian People 50 plus years later...
NichCage wrote:Also, the Chinese government does some weird things as well. For example, KL needs an Asia brand to fly to Taiwan while AF, TK, and EK don't seem to need it. They just launched TPE and they didn't mind at all.
NichCage wrote:What is the Chinese government doing? Going on airlines websites to make sure Taiwan isn't considered an separate country?
I'm sure there are other airlines that list Taiwan as an separate country who don't get in any trouble, or not even noticed at all.
Also, the Chinese government does some weird things as well. For example, KL needs an Asia brand to fly to Taiwan while AF, TK, and EK don't seem to need it. They just launched TPE and they didn't mind at all.
zakuivcustom wrote:Super80Fan wrote:Delta should just tell China to take a hike.
If only things are so easy. At least DL is lucky to not have you as their COO or something like that. At the end of the day, money talks, and (mainland) China is a huge market full of gold mines that's just hard to ignored. And like it or not, if you're in ANY business, you'll have to deal with unreasonable, unpleasant customers.
neomax wrote:zakuivcustom wrote:Super80Fan wrote:Delta should just tell China to take a hike.
If only things are so easy. At least DL is lucky to not have you as their COO or something like that. At the end of the day, money talks, and (mainland) China is a huge market full of gold mines that's just hard to ignored. And like it or not, if you're in ANY business, you'll have to deal with unreasonable, unpleasant customers.
For an airline that wants to tap into lucrative markets, Delta really doesn’t care anywhere as much about China as they say they do. They serve PVG, possibly PEK, and that’s about it. That’s “commitment” in a nutshell.
neomax wrote:zakuivcustom wrote:Super80Fan wrote:Delta should just tell China to take a hike.
If only things are so easy. At least DL is lucky to not have you as their COO or something like that. At the end of the day, money talks, and (mainland) China is a huge market full of gold mines that's just hard to ignored. And like it or not, if you're in ANY business, you'll have to deal with unreasonable, unpleasant customers.
For an airline that wants to tap into lucrative markets, Delta really doesn’t care anywhere as much about China as they say they do. They serve PVG, possibly PEK, and that’s about it. That’s “commitment” in a nutshell.