I have been reading these posting for some time now and have decided to chip in my two penny worth now, so here goes
It has been stated here that--- why would any one want to leave an organization that is negotiating trade deals with other countries such as Australia/ new Zealand etc Well One country [UK] can negotiate it's own deal probably quicker, because it is between just two countries not 27 as would be a deal with the EU. Ask the Canadians how long it takes to agree a deal with the EU. I mean can you see the French accepting cheap lamb from New Zealand or the wine making countries of Europe accepting cheap wine from Australia, I doubt it.
A few things, trade deals take a long time to negotiate. True the EU take a perhaps a little longer, as there are more voices to be heard (and EU system is of course democratic, so all states have to agree). However you must also take into consideration that the EU is the worlds largest trading block, as such it has much better bargaining power to reach new deals with fewer compromises.
Look at the UK position now, we are faced with concessions on NHS privatisation and chlorinated chicken for deals with the USA just to give some well known examples.
Trade deals are not quick and easy for anyone.
If the EU is so keen to agree trade deals with other countries , why are they not talking to their nearest big market which is what the UK would be when it leaves?
This is what the meetings have been about since the divorce bill and Irish issue was agreed (sort of). The problem is that the UK has not set out clearly what it wants from negotiations, only the "red lines" of what it doesn't want.
The EU has been clear from the set go what the options are on us leaving and what would be acceptable to them:
Now to the Irish border, we all know that a border does not have to be a line of barb wire fencing with armed border controls. Large packages of goods can be pre-cleared at point of shipping and so can cross the border with no hindrance, it just means the shipping company getting clearance, and i believe that Germany has such an agreement with something like 6000 companies.
There are two distinct things here:
Carnets are documents that are used to document goods for import, however these still need to get checked at points of entry, so does not remove need for customs checks. Carnets also cost a lot of money so add to the costs of trade and will be a prohibiting factor in trade with the UK.
There is also the question of import duties and VAT which are further issues to be resolved
With pre-authorisation you may refer to the max-fac option - this is essentially where the UK collects all EU taxes on their behalf to smooth imports/exports. however the EU have already said that (understandably) they would not want the UK to be responsible for the collection of their revenues (just look at China shoes complaint under current system to see why)
There was a recent radio show with a trader discussing these issues and how he took this up with Rees-Mogg who did not have any substantive answers: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... t-12620627
This must also be the case in big ports such as Rotterdam where the shipping containers are pre-cleared before arrival so as to facilitate the rapid departure from the port.
Dealing with containers on a cargo ship which takes weeks to get here and have stacking proceedures in place is very differnent to the current drive through models on RoRo ferries and the channel tunnel, which are currently straight through with no infrastructure in place to stack or process imports/exports.
Also remember a lot of current UK non-EU imports come through Rotterdam, and once cleared there they currently travel freely into the UK. Brexit will give a further barrier to these goods and cause further delays as they then reach the UK border.
Now with the Irish border, the same as the Polish / Russia border, there is local activity between the local population [traditional] and this was covered, and any problems over come, by a mutual agreement in 2006 by the " Cross Border Co-operation agreement" . So given good will on both sides and agreement could be achieved.
The Poland-Russia cross border participation programme is not a trade agreement and does not remove borders. Instead it deals with areas such as culture, heritage, climate, border infrastructure - details : https://www.plru.eu/en/pages/9
There is a legal agreement in place called the Good Friday agreement , part of which states there will be no border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Whilst good will is needed here, there are also legal requirements to protect the agreement and the EU also has a requirement to protect the single market and its own trade deals - eg prohibit chlorinated chicken to use the well publicised example.
The UK has tried to give technology as an example of how this could help, however no such technology exists elsewhere in the world and it is unlikely to be a robust or acceptable solution in relation to either maintaining the single market (from the EU's perspective) or the Good Friday agreement. the UK has also not even contacted any tech companies to develop any solutions in this area or give guidance.
However in the last 2 years I have to say there has not been much interest in negotiation from the EU , but rather how they can punish the UK for daring to want to leave, and I have to say some dithering from the UK for what conditions they want , but the EU tactics are to make it as difficult as possible in the hope that there will be a 2nd referendum which might or might not vote to leave ,
I have to disagree.
The EU laid out the timetable at the outset of things which must be done and in what order - eg Northern Ireland and Divorce payment, then trade deal. As per slide above EU have been clear in trade deals and what is acceptable to them. The UK on the other hand is still having internal battles over this and a white paper may finally be ready only in two weeks time - a rush to get something intime for the European Council meeting on 28/29 June. But even here it is not clear the Prime Minister will get agreement on the white paper from her cabinet and/or back benches.
Remember the UK is leaving the EU - the EU have said all along that the UK cannot cherry pick what it wants on leaving.
The UK as a country has never really been happy being in the EU and i think for both sides it would be better to accept the UK vote and try and negotiate
a deal which is of mutual benifit
As the Luxembourg PM said recently "Before, they were in and they had many opt-outs; now they want to be out with many opt-ins."
That quote sums it up really.
The UK in my view had a great deal in the EU with the rebate, no euro and no Schengen. We could have gone further and adopted EU rules on immigration but the UK chose not to.
On leaving the EU it is not clear where we will end up - Brexit is now a damage limitation exercise, where the promises of the referendum will not be delivered, hence the argument to have final say once the facts are known.