vc10 wrote:and believe me it wasnot the common market/EU that stopped the European Countries going to war , but rather that the countries were all broke, their industries ruined,.their populations were weary after two world wars
That has never stopped European countries from going at war with each other. You also vastly overstate the damage to the economy, ruined industries was basically a mostly German issue, for obvious reasons.
and they were all dependant on the country with the money to help them recover and that was the USA.
The money was just nice to have, but the whole marshal plan was just a touch above 100 billion in today's money. Even by that time that wasn't all that much. And the countries getting it had to pay in Keynsian free trade agreements. The French Les Trente Glorieuses for example started before the Marshall plan even was the law.
but no the EU politicians push and push some more even if a large section of their population do not want to proceed so fast
Funny that the EU reacted to Brexit with faster integration, and is fairly popular. EU citizens trust the EU consistently more than their own national parliaments and governments, and have done so for decades, and the number of Europeans seeing the EU as positive has been rising since Brexit, and is twice as high as the number of people seeing the EU as negative. Their number is down by about 1/3 since 2013. Negative views make up just 20% and about 1/3 see it neutral. The only country with a plurality, not majority, of citizens seeing the EU negative is Greece. Can't blame them.
Most politicians and governments would gladly give their first born to get numbers comparable to the EU's
So in the UK there is a large part of the population who do not like the speed at which the integration is going and and could not slow it down, so when given the opportunity they voted to leave
As you can see in the poll data given up threat, the option most akin to staying in the EU is the most popular in the UK, the option "take art 50 back" wasn't given in the poll.
It rather seems to be a fairly loud minority that doesn't like the EU, and they know they need to lie and promise paradise to get their votes.