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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

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#DespiteBrexit


#BrexitHasNotHappenedYet
 
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sevenair wrote:
#DespiteBrexit


#BrexitHasNotHappenedYet


#ItsPointlessEvenTrying :wink2:
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#WeWerePromisedMassUnemploymentHousePriceCrashesAndRecessionImmediatelyAfterTheVote
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Wed May 16, 2018 7:03 am

Registered for postal voting today so I did.

GE18 is brewing. I can feel it my waters. Ireland's desperate attempt to keep us in the EU and the remain ultras indulgence of thei' attempts hasn't stopped Brexit tragically.

We need the remoaners out. Real Brexiteers to deliver a real Brexit. Call it 'hard Brexit', 'Cliff Edge Brexit' or 'crashing out' if you much but get on with it.

#LeaveMeansLeave #BrexitMeansBrexit #CrashingOut #GetOnWithIt #PivotAway #JRM4PM
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 7:38 am

sevenair wrote:
Registered for postal voting today so I did.

GE18 is brewing. I can feel it my waters. Ireland's desperate attempt to keep us in the EU and the remain ultras indulgence of thei' attempts hasn't stopped Brexit tragically.

We need the remoaners out. Real Brexiteers to deliver a real Brexit. Call it 'hard Brexit', 'Cliff Edge Brexit' or 'crashing out' if you much but get on with it.

#LeaveMeansLeave #BrexitMeansBrexit #CrashingOut #GetOnWithIt #PivotAway #JRM4PM


But you were extremely pleased when the transition period was agreed, yet now want to crash out?

Have you changed your mind sevenair?
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 8:07 am

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/eu ... a-z-index/

Maybe something to read and consider. Who created theses myths and why ?
 
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Wed May 16, 2018 8:18 am

Theresa May is planning another way to kick the can further down the road....

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According to an article from RTE, a "third option" on the customs union, which basically involves continuing with it, but calling it something different, in order to look like she has not caved and also to buy more time to sort out an alternative.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/051 ... oms-union/

looks like more fudge from TM heading our way!

The BBC also had a good article on customs checks elsewhere on EU's borders - worth a look to help understand the issues.
 
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Wed May 16, 2018 8:22 am

Olddog wrote:
https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/

Maybe something to read and consider. Who created theses myths and why ?


excellent link Olddog - thanks.

Boris Johnson no less made up a lot of them. He was based in Brussels when working for the Telegraph, who basically understood that such myths sold copy in the UK
 
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Wed May 16, 2018 1:48 pm

Still the Irish border is being used despite there being fiscal differences, differing tax levels, different currencies, different speed limits all on the same island they're claiming that Brexit can't happen! The remain ultras, the EU and Irish are all using it to keep us in the EU. It's the Irish I feel for. They're going to suffer when we 'crash out' without any trade agreement.

Has anyone figured out where Ryanair's 100+ UK based aircraft are going to pivot away to?
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Wed May 16, 2018 1:49 pm

Still the Irish border is being used despite there being fiscal differences, differing tax levels, different currencies, different speed limits all on the same island they're claiming that Brexit can't happen! The remain ultras, the EU and Irish are all using it to keep us in the EU. It's the Irish I feel for. They're going to suffer when we 'crash out' without any trade agreement.

Has anyone figured out where Ryanair's 100+ UK based aircraft are going to pivot away to?
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Wed May 16, 2018 2:21 pm

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Still the Irish border is being used despite there being fiscal differences, differing tax levels, different currencies, different speed limits all on the same island they're claiming that Brexit can't happen! The remain ultras, the EU and Irish are all using it to keep us in the EU.


What nonsense. The same can be said for many borders within the EU. Each state is sovereign and for example sets its own levels of tax.

The border issue is about the flow of trade, origin status, tariffs, quotas and border checks, connected also of course to the Good Friday agreement which we have signed up to.

Currency, speed limits, internal taxation have nothing to do with it. :lol:

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It's the Irish I feel for. They're going to suffer when we 'crash out' without any trade agreement.


Yes they would suffer by having a hard border, separating them form schools and shops etc. But hang on, how can you feel for the Irish when you now want a hard Brexit (having been pleased at punch at transition instead only weeks ago)??!

Meanwhile Dublin can benefit from our stupidity, e.g. winning Thomson Reuters foreign exchange derivative trading business (where $300 billion a day is traded) from London - more of your "project fear" slowly coming true sevenair?

http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-thomson ... ?r=US&IR=T

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Has anyone figured out where Ryanair's 100+ UK based aircraft are going to pivot away to?


pay attention sevenair, air treaties post Brexit have not been agreed or signed up as yet - so no-one knows for sure currently, but it is hoped things will be okay eventually.
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 2:51 pm

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Has anyone figured out where Ryanair's 100+ UK based aircraft are going to pivot away to?


They don't have to go anywhere. Moreover, setting up an UK subsidiary and re-register the aircraft shouldn't be a big problem. You do know that easyJet has re- registered around 100 aircraft to the Austrian register due to Brexit? Ryanair can easily re-register some 738s to the UK register when needed.
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 2:56 pm

If the Irish want no border, they are free to join the UK.
 
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Has anyone figured out where Ryanair's 100+ UK based aircraft are going to pivot away to?


They don't have to go anywhere. Moreover, setting up an UK subsidiary and re-register the aircraft shouldn't be a big problem. You do know that easyJet has re- registered around 100 aircraft to the Austrian register due to Brexit? Ryanair can easily re-register some 738s to the UK register when needed.


Tongue in cheek my friend. I know fine well that Ryanair will continue to operate as normal just like EasyJet will and that flights will continue much like they do today.
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Wed May 16, 2018 3:10 pm

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If the Irish want no border, they are free to join the UK.


Could anyone imagine if we remaining in the EU and the Irish wanted to join the Schengen Disaster Zone and we told them they could leave because of the Irish border. It would be different then wouldn’t it?

The Irish border is just a desperate attempt to get us to stay in and to indulge the anglophobes in Ireland.
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Wed May 16, 2018 3:22 pm

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Could anyone imagine if we remaining in the EU and the Irish wanted to join the Schengen Disaster Zone and we told them they could leave because of the Irish border. It would be different then wouldn’t it?

The Irish border is just a desperate attempt to get us to stay in and to indulge the anglophobes in Ireland.


You must have missed that weeks homework sevenair!

Ireland specifically negotiated an opt-out of Schengen (along with the UK) in order to honour the Common Travel Area. i.e. they made concessions to honour the existing agreement with the UK.

Now we should do the same and honour the CTA and the Good Friday agreement by ensuring no hard border in our negotiations.

p.s. Have you changed your mind from loving transition a few weeks ago?
 
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Wed May 16, 2018 3:25 pm

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Meanwhile Dublin can benefit from our stupidity, e.g. winning Thomson Reuters foreign exchange derivative trading business (where $300 billion a day is traded) from London - more of your "project fear" slowly coming true sevenair?

http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-thomson ... ?r=US&IR=T


and another:

M&G shifting £34.2 billion of investment funds form UK to Luxembourg

https://www.ftadviser.com/investments/2 ... m_content=

#BecauseOfBrexit
#ProjectFearIsReal
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Wed May 16, 2018 9:38 pm

A lot has been written about the possibility of a free trade agreement between the UK and US.

This Harvard Kennedy School article provides an interesting analysis:

The purpose of this research paper is to attempt to cut through the rhetoric on both sides of the Atlantic to examine whether a US-UK FTA is likely to happen and what the potential benefits might be for both countries. The research is based on interviews with senior officials in the US, UK and EU, companies that might benefit from an FTA, and a wide range of trade, academic, and sectoral experts, plus a review of existing literature on the topic.

Finding 1: The UK needs a deal, but it is unclear how committed the US is

Finding 2: There is a clear power imbalance between the US and UK

Finding 3: The UK must strike a deal with the EU before it can negotiate an FTA with the US

Finding 4: The UK will have little to gain and will have to concede more on tariff reductions than the EU offered in the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (“TTIP”)

Finding 5: The US demands on non-tariff and regulatory issues will be politically contentious and difficult for the UK to meet

Finding 7: The US cannot, or will not, concede on many British non-tariff and regulatory objectives

Conclusion: Both US and UK officials are doubtful that a meaningful deal can be reached.


https://www.hks.harvard.edu/sites/defau ... 0FINAL.pdf
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 17, 2018 12:09 am

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Tongue in cheek my friend. I know fine well that Ryanair will continue to operate as normal just like EasyJet will and that flights will continue much like they do today.


Well, easyJet is currently transferring their planes to "easyJet Europe" and re-registering them all in Austria. :scratchchin:
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Thu May 17, 2018 7:30 am

US trade deals are not looking rosy for the UK

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Reported in the Daily Express (of all places) that US intends to use negotiations to increase UK drug prices for the NHS to benefit the US consumer.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/96095 ... ion-prices
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 3fb50c4848

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Thu May 17, 2018 8:11 am

If drug companies are ripping off US consumers because they lack the buying power of the NHS, perhaps the US needs to create it’s own Government buying organisation.
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 17, 2018 9:30 am

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If drug companies are ripping off US consumers because they lack the buying power of the NHS, perhaps the US needs to create it’s own Government buying organisation.

The problem is the US Government doesn't buy pharmaceutical products. That is down to the hospitals and pharmacy chains and what they negotiate from the drug company/distributor.
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 17, 2018 10:52 am

sevenair wrote:
Registered for postal voting today so I did.

GE18 is brewing. I can feel it my waters. Ireland's desperate attempt to keep us in the EU and the remain ultras indulgence of thei' attempts hasn't stopped Brexit tragically.

We need the remoaners out. Real Brexiteers to deliver a real Brexit. Call it 'hard Brexit', 'Cliff Edge Brexit' or 'crashing out' if you much but get on with it.

#LeaveMeansLeave #BrexitMeansBrexit #CrashingOut #GetOnWithIt #PivotAway #JRM4PM


Did you feel this your waters too?

"Britain prepared to stay tied to customs union beyond 2021 after Theresa May 'outguns' Brexiteers"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... on-beyond/

Beyond 2021 is what... 5+ years since the Brexit vote?
 
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Thu May 17, 2018 10:52 am

Duplicate.
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 17, 2018 11:06 am

The Republic of Ireland are saying that no agreement is remotely close on the Irish border and that a hard Brexit is looking like a "serious possibility"

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so much for the referendum lie "They need us more than we need them" and the pledges that a deal with the EU will be easy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 55591.html

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Thu May 17, 2018 12:59 pm

Richard28 wrote:
Richard28 wrote:
Meanwhile Dublin can benefit from our stupidity, e.g. winning Thomson Reuters foreign exchange derivative trading business (where $300 billion a day is traded) from London - more of your "project fear" slowly coming true sevenair?

http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-thomson ... ?r=US&IR=T


and another:

M&G shifting £34.2 billion of investment funds form UK to Luxembourg

https://www.ftadviser.com/investments/2 ... m_content=



and another

Columbia Threadneedle moving £6.2billion of investment funds out of the UK

https://www.ftadviser.com/investments/2 ... exit-lead/

#exitBrexit
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 17, 2018 8:18 pm

Seems like UK want to stay inside Custom union (without calling it Custom Union) until further notice;

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit- ... ompromise/

So this solves Ireland border, border troubles UK France etc.

I read it like Uk government finally surrenders ;-)
 
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Fri May 18, 2018 10:07 am

olle wrote:
Seems like UK want to stay inside Custom union (without calling it Custom Union) until further notice;

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit- ... ompromise/

So this solves Ireland border, border troubles UK France etc.

I read it like Uk government finally surrenders ;-)


As always more Fudge!

They don't want "the" customs union, so will call it something else, that does exactly the same thing, to look like they've done something different, whilst they continue to work on "new technology" which has got nowhere in the last two years, has never got anywhere elsewhere in the world, and will likely not get anywhere in the near future either.

The lunacy is even more apparent when you consider why Theresa May doesn't want "The" Customs Union.... it's to drop the common external tariff so we can do our "own" trade deals... the side effect of which will involve chucking out 65 perfectly functioning ones, and many more new ones that will no doubt be in place by the time this farce ends.

Political idealism gone mad.

The Customs Union is good for business, good for borders (but not the whole answer), good for trade deals. Its just bad for the likes of JRM who wants to play with his own toys (and sod the consequences)

time to re-think this nonsense!

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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Fri May 18, 2018 10:15 am

Speaking of borders, is there any plans to deal with the queues when the French start doing full checks at Dover (For those that don't know the Dover/Folkestone to Calais Ferry/Train uses a form of pre-clearance where passport/immigration formalities are carried out prior to boarding the train/boat). Last time they decided to check all passports the queues went back to Maidstone. Is it down to the ports to expand the facilities for Border Force/French Police or the responsibility of BF/French Police?
 
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Fri May 18, 2018 11:53 am

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Speaking of borders, is there any plans to deal with the queues when the French start doing full checks at Dover (For those that don't know the Dover/Folkestone to Calais Ferry/Train uses a form of pre-clearance where passport/immigration formalities are carried out prior to boarding the train/boat). Last time they decided to check all passports the queues went back to Maidstone. Is it down to the ports to expand the facilities for Border Force/French Police or the responsibility of BF/French Police?


That's Le Touquet agreement on juxtaposed border controls. Costs are shared, on both sides of the channel.

UK to pay extra £44.5m for Calais security in Anglo-French deal
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rench-deal
 
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Mon May 21, 2018 8:58 am

Back to Northern Ireland. Quite an extensive survey.

https://www.qub.ac.uk/sites/brexitni/Br ... 734,en.pdf

The short of it is, support for remain has risen up to 69% (up from 56% on the referendum), people still want to remain British by a wide margin and most people don't think the camera-based border will work and have very little faith on either of the governments actors (Westminster, DUP) or the opposition (SF, Labour) to work it out.
 
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Mon May 21, 2018 11:46 am

The atricle is behind a paywall, so I cant read the rest of it, however Gove says that:

" Britain is now one of the countries with the “warmest attitude to migration” in Europe and said that the Brexit vote has “boosted liberalism”. "

what planet is this man living on? :roll:

Brexit is all about controlling Immigration (even though we could have done that in the EU) and liberal, no - it is not a coincidence that UKIP and the Brexit faction of the Tory party are on the far right of the party. Blimey!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... acks-snps/
 
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Mon May 21, 2018 11:38 pm

In France our right-wing party is very similar to the Tories, vowing to "liberate" the economy from rules, taxes etc. However they never had a Thatcher and every time they were in power, they didn't really do that. Their candidate for last year election was seen as a kind of Thatcher promising to really do it this time.

Now a liberal (not just economically, but in all the senses) president is in power, and is passing liberal laws. All of a sudden the right-wing party is much less liberal, wants more spending here and there, more protection, criticizes the president for giving too much to the rich, it's frankly astonishing/ridiculous.

Meanwhile the French people are still far from being liberal, but at this point they seem ready to try it.
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Wed May 23, 2018 12:14 pm

Just having a conversation with two 'Hard Brexiters' at the moment.. They think that Britain should have a hard Brexit because the EU isn't caving into Britain's demands for exit. They also claim that it is unfair that British companies won't be able to bid on EU contracts which are reserved for Eu companies.. Other rubbish like too many foreigners and that Britain can't control it's own borders.. Also that Britain pays for everything in Europe and that Europe will be screwed once Britain leaves...
 
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Wed May 23, 2018 8:49 pm

Yet more evidence on how crazy Brexit is and that the big red bus was nothing but a lie:
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44229606

so instead of the Customs Union:

  • "Max Fac" option would cost us £17bn- £20bn a year
  • Theresa Mays "Customs Partnership" would cost us £3.4bn a year.

Or of course, we could keep the current Customs Union * that we already have.

* Special offer! : The Customs Union comes with 65 fully functioning trade deals! PLUS New Zealand and Australia trade deals NEW from 2019!!


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Thu May 24, 2018 5:25 am

The sad part is that if the Uk government members were not so busy fighting between them, the negotiation would be so much easier.
 
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Thu May 24, 2018 6:44 am

It is all the EU´s fault - always hasbeen.
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 24, 2018 6:47 am

oups :
Theresa May wants a special Brexit transition period for customs that could last until 2023,


https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/theresa-may/news/95447/theresa-may-will-ask-eu-new
 
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Thu May 24, 2018 7:58 am

Olddog wrote:
oups :
Theresa May wants a special Brexit transition period for customs that could last until 2023,


https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/theresa-may/news/95447/theresa-may-will-ask-eu-new


This extension is going to have to happen, as we cannot realistically leave at the end of 2020 as:

1) Doubtful that new trade deals will be signed up and ready to go by then
2) No current government policy maintains the Good Friday agreement, or is currently acceptable to the EU side.
3) Technology, personnel and infrastructure are not in place to deal with any new arrangements (or lack thereof)

Until these things are sorted, leaving the current structure is futile.
 
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Thu May 24, 2018 8:01 am

Then UK need to start to negotiate this with EU and do that fast.

The clock is ticking!
 
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Thu May 24, 2018 11:15 am

Olddog wrote:
The sad part is that if the Uk government members were not so busy fighting between them, the negotiation would be so much easier.


I could understand battles with HM Loyal Opposition (after all that's the opposition's job), but the Tory party is busy fighting with itself
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Thu May 24, 2018 3:33 pm

FabDiva wrote:
I could understand battles with HM Loyal Opposition (after all that's the opposition's job), but the Tory party is busy fighting with itself


The same problem that caused the vote in the first place. Cameron wanting the back benchers to shut up or put up as there were defections and constant bickering (UKIP being the other reason), except he lost.

Current "Opposition" leaders seemingly want out of the EU as well, just not a hard Brexit is seems. It really doesn't help matters. And the majority of the Parliamentary Labour Party clearly wants to stay in as is.


If you have a moment give this a listen: https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/ ... by-brexit/ Explains exactly why a hard Brexit is utterly, utterly stupid in this day and age and why the UK needs a free trade deal with the EU at the absolute least. best case trash the whole useless, waste of time endeavour. Some of us knew most of this type of problem all along but of course it's project fear right.
 
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Fri May 25, 2018 11:47 am

vrbarreto wrote:
Just having a conversation with two 'Hard Brexiters' at the moment.. They think that Britain should have a hard Brexit because the EU isn't caving into Britain's demands for exit. They also claim that it is unfair that British companies won't be able to bid on EU contracts which are reserved for Eu companies.. Other rubbish like too many foreigners and that Britain can't control it's own borders.. Also that Britain pays for everything in Europe and that Europe will be screwed once Britain leaves...


Filed under 'it didn't happen'. For every moronic brexiteer I can find you a remoaner spouting nonsense about fascism, the NHS collapsing, house prices collapsing and then telling us that house price falls are actually a good thing when houses lrices continue to rise, war, AIDS, cancer, terrorism, flights stopping, visas for Benidorm, paying to cross the channel etc etc.

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FabDiva wrote:
Speaking of borders, is there any plans to deal with the queues when the French start doing full checks at Dover (For those that don't know the Dover/Folkestone to Calais Ferry/Train uses a form of pre-clearance where passport/immigration formalities are carried out prior to boarding the train/boat). Last time they decided to check all passports the queues went back to Maidstone. Is it down to the ports to expand the facilities for Border Force/French Police or the responsibility of BF/French Police?


15 mile queues I believe we will have.
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Fri May 25, 2018 11:58 am

Why would you. Let the French deal with the problem.
 
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Fri May 25, 2018 12:09 pm

sevenair wrote:
FabDiva wrote:
Speaking of borders, is there any plans to deal with the queues when the French start doing full checks at Dover (For those that don't know the Dover/Folkestone to Calais Ferry/Train uses a form of pre-clearance where passport/immigration formalities are carried out prior to boarding the train/boat). Last time they decided to check all passports the queues went back to Maidstone. Is it down to the ports to expand the facilities for Border Force/French Police or the responsibility of BF/French Police?


15 mile queues I believe we will have.


Ah so shorter then in 2016 then when the French started ID checks on all vehicles - so they must be doing something to sort it ;) - In 2016 Operation Stack was back to Maidstone and the resulting diversions of Channel bound traffic caused chaos with my employer's Kent operations with many customer complaints about delays.
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Fri May 25, 2018 12:41 pm

seahawk wrote:
Why would you. Let the French deal with the problem.


Thing is French checks take place before boarding on the UK side, this was something set up so the UK could vet those crossing from France before they board the boats/trains - Think US Preclearance but in both directions.

In reality as an EU-EU frontier the French have usually just waved most passenger vehicles through with passport checks on 'random' passenger vehicles. The Facility and waiting area are sized around them doing this. Occassionally they do stricter checks in response to terror threats etc and queues quickly build up and back out into the town of Dover.

If things get bad at the port (Either through immigration/security or Weather cancelling boats), then the Police implement "Operation Stack" where the M20 Motorway is closed and is used to park trucks waiting to cross**. Cars, Buses and Trucks for domestic destinations are diverted onto local roads, which obiviously causes problems for local residents and businesses.

That's why I asked if there had been any progress between the UK and France on expanding the French border posts in Dover* and if there were any plans to deal with the queues that may build up if the French start checking more vehicles (based on what has happened in previous years)


*Dover Port is state owned hence why the UK Gov would be involved, it's also quite a space constrained site on a slither of land at the foot of the cliffs.

** The police will issue all trucks in the "stack" with a ticket, trucks that turn up at the port without a police ticket will be denied boarding and sent to the back of the line.
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Fri May 25, 2018 6:59 pm

sevenair wrote:
vrbarreto wrote:
Just having a conversation with two 'Hard Brexiters' at the moment.. They think that Britain should have a hard Brexit because the EU isn't caving into Britain's demands for exit. They also claim that it is unfair that British companies won't be able to bid on EU contracts which are reserved for Eu companies.. Other rubbish like too many foreigners and that Britain can't control it's own borders.. Also that Britain pays for everything in Europe and that Europe will be screwed once Britain leaves...


Filed under 'it didn't happen'. For every moronic brexiteer I can find you a remoaner spouting nonsense about fascism, the NHS collapsing, house prices collapsing and then telling us that house price falls are actually a good thing when houses lrices continue to rise, war, AIDS, cancer, terrorism, flights stopping, visas for Benidorm, paying to cross the channel etc etc.

Brexit Regards,
Sevenair.


Ha.. The King Canute speaks... There are legions of moronic brexiters.. Head buried in the sand.. too proud or xenophobic to change their minds.. And no one has been going about AIDS or cancer or flights stopping.. it's just in the (tiny) minds of those who think Brexit will be the best thing for Britain.. and by Britain they mean themselves.. even if it isn't true.
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Sun May 27, 2018 10:59 am

Im going to suggest a 2nd Abortion referendum in Ireland. I want to make sure people know what they voted for.
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