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I’m sure if you and your family were fishermen/women you would have different view.

Also don’t forget not everything should revolve around the city of london.


Of course I care, but are the 0.5% of fisherman are worth more than the 80% of families in services?

You are showing your ignorance here - services is nationwide from jet engines to banks to Digital to insurance... this is not London centred.

There is a reason why the north of England will be worst hit in hard Brexit scenarios.....
 
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Arion640 wrote:
I’m sure if you and your family were fishermen/women you would have different view.

Also don’t forget not everything should revolve around the city of london.


Of course I care, but are the 0.5% of fisherman are worth more than the 80% of families in services?

You are showing your ignorance here - services is nationwide from jet engines to banks to Digital to insurance... this is not London centred.

There is a reason why the north of England will be worst hit in hard Brexit scenarios.....


The UK service economy is very London centric, you know this yourself....
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:55 pm

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The UK service economy is very London centric, you know this yourself....


Incorrect

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/blog.ons ... ports/amp/
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:01 pm

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"No trade"? Clearly says "meaningful new trade deal to make up for the loss of access to the SM". Doesn't say anything about no trade.

Not sure if you don't read before responding or if you're trying to create a straw man.

Well if you go back and read all the threads, it does sound as if the UK will have no trade if they are not in the Single Market, Customs Union and on and on it goes, hence my question about how trade is conducted between the EU and third countries, which the UK would be if they do have Brexit.

I assumed that the discourse here would be above the Project Fear mantra since there are no voters to be won over.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:05 pm

I should have added, one does not have to be in the Single Market or the Customs Union to trade with the EU.
Maybe the issue is how much friction is involved in preparing paperwork to present at border post, the funny thing is, people look at the paper more than they actually look at the actual goods that are being shipped.
 
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Arion640 wrote:
The UK service economy is very London centric, you know this yourself....


Incorrect

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/blog.ons ... ports/amp/


Gosh, look at that - 50% of exported services from the NE go to the EU. Good job the Brexiteers have so many good ideas about dealing with services. Oh wait...
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Well, one has to wonder where these folks were with all their numbers / data prior to the actual referendum, where they held back from providing this information, is so by whom, should an investigation similar to what was done for financing be launched and will it find that the Big Red Bus sponsors had this info shut away.
 
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Great to see Donald Trump in the UK tonight. Top bloke, lets get that trade deal done.
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Great to see Donald Trump in the UK tonight. Top bloke, lets get that trade deal done.


You can't, you are still in the EU......
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...and one article 50 is revoked you will always be....in the EU that is.....
 
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Great to see Donald Trump in the UK tonight. Top bloke, lets get that trade deal done.


You can't, you are still in the EU......


Until 31 March 2019 when we start transition. You have to start planning these things now.
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:46 pm

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Great to see Donald Trump in the UK tonight. Top bloke, lets get that trade deal done.


Unfortunately, as per Trump, the UK is at then of the line!! After all, the size of the UK is a much bigger fish to catch.
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:50 pm

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Great to see Donald Trump in the UK tonight. Top bloke, lets get that trade deal done.


And flip the conversation to something else.... Brexiter gold!!

Anyhow if you insist, we are, under the new white paper (released on day trump arrives - “bury bad news!”), aligning with EU on regulations not the US.

Trade deal will be difficult, vulnerable to trump spasms, risk the NHS, lower food standards and would not in any event make up for lost EU trade.

Might make certain Brexiter politicians rather rich though.... gosh, did I just say that?
 
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Anyhow if you insist, we are, under the new white paper (released on day trump arrives - “bury bad news!”), aligning with EU on regulations not the US.
Trade deal will be difficult, vulnerable to trump spasms, risk the NHS, lower food standards and would not in any event make up for lost EU trade.

Trump is taking on NATO I wonder why he is not taking on the EU and their standards while he tries to make America great again, why just pick on the UK who are a small cog in the EU wheel, and yes I know he did hit the EU on tariffs.

I thought the Brexiters were pushing WTO, guess they also had a change of heart.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:10 pm

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Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Great to see Donald Trump in the UK tonight. Top bloke, lets get that trade deal done.


You can't, you are still in the EU......


Until 31 March 2019 when we start transition. You have to start planning these things now.


Alright, so you have the date set 1 April 2019. Planning done.
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...and one article 50 is revoked you will always be....in the EU that is.....


Best laugh I’ve had all day.
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https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/0 ... -of-reach/

I'd rather not lower food safety standards just to get trade deals with the likes of India, would you?

Imagine what the US is going to try and push......
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:28 pm

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Great to see Donald Trump in the UK tonight. Top bloke, lets get that trade deal done.


What trade deal? Do keep up, Arion640. Trump's already said May's BRINO makes a trade deal with America "much less likely". What's plan B?
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https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/07/12/brexit-uk-india-trade-review-out-of-reach/

I'd rather not lower food safety standards just to get trade deals with the likes of India, would you?

Imagine what the US is going to try and push......


Yep, those naively expecting a cosy trade deal with the US need to understand what the American version of free trade looks like. "Food health and safety, detailed food labelling? Er, we'd rather not, thanks."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... 92006.html
The issue is much deeper than the debate around chlorine-washed chicken would suggest. The UK, as part of the EU, does not get its own section in the USTR report, but the 47-page chapter devoted to America’s gripes about the EU, points to where trade negotiations between the two partners in the “special relationship” might head.

Few industries are left untouched. The USTR rails against the burden of EU food labelling as well as restrictions on cosmetics and pesticides.

It bemoans the fact that accreditation bodies for product standards must be public and nonprofit, when private American firms could do the job.

It complains about the widely recognised CE safety mark, so expect that to go.

On chemicals, the EU’s regulations impose “extensive registration, testing and data requirements on all chemicals manufactured or imported into the EU in quantities greater than a metric ton”; something that most British citizens probably support. The USTR says it does too, but argues that some requirements are overly onerous or “simply unnecessary”.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44815359

Brilliant news. The time for global britain is now.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44815359

Brilliant news. The time for global britain is now.


Take off the rose-tinted specs, man. Trump already slapped May down and told her a trade deal was unlikely.

There's none so blind as those that will not see. :shakehead:
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:03 pm

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44815359

Brilliant news. The time for global britain is now.


errrrr. hello? we are already "global britain" we have lots of trade worldwide - including the USA.

Trump is only doing deals where they are good for the USA (it's MAGA not MUKGA), ergo, trade wars with us, and with China, Canada, Mexico etc.... so if you're expecting a free lunch trade deal, think again - it could have consequences on our industry and standards, which may not be paletable.

Brexit and the UK/EU relationship also has to be resolved before any US trade deal.... so forget March 2019, becuase unless you have an answer on Northern Ireland, nothing is happening yet.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:10 pm

anyway Arion640, you've moved away from conversation on services.. are you happy that 80% of our economy throughout the UK is at threat through Brexit, and how do you square that with caring so much about the fishing industry in isolation?

Come to that, why is USA trade more important to you than EU trade?

You triumph a reduction in the trade deal in the white paper today, whilst simultaneously cheering on new potential deal with USA.

Double standards?
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:12 pm

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44815359

Brilliant news. The time for global britain is now.


I guess you missed the news item where Trump said what he thinks of the Chequers deal. He said : “If they do a deal like that, we would be dealing with the European Union instead of dealing with the UK, so it will probably kill the deal.”
 
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anyway Arion640, you've moved away from conversation on services.. are you happy that 80% of our economy throughout the UK is at threat through Brexit, and how do you square that with caring so much about the fishing industry in isolation?

Come to that, why is USA trade more important to you than EU trade?

You triumph a reduction in the trade deal in the white paper today, whilst simultaneously cheering on new potential deal with USA.

Double standards?


Like all the Brexiteers, he doesn't actually have answers or solutions, just flag-waving, sound bites and ludicrous hashtags. Or in Sevenair's case, memes.
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:26 pm

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Great to see Donald Trump in the UK tonight. Top bloke, lets get that trade deal done.


Trump: Brexit plan 'will probably kill' US trade deal

Oops.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44815558
Donald Trump has said the UK will "probably not" get a trade deal with the US, if the prime minister's Brexit plan goes ahead.

He told The Sun the PM's plan would "probably kill the deal" as it would mean the US "would be dealing with the European Union" instead of with the UK.

Theresa May has been making the case for a US free trade deal with Mr Trump, on his first UK visit as president.
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:52 pm

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anyway Arion640, you've moved away from conversation on services.. are you happy that 80% of our economy throughout the UK is at threat through Brexit, and how do you square that with caring so much about the fishing industry in isolation?

Come to that, why is USA trade more important to you than EU trade?

You triumph a reduction in the trade deal in the white paper today, whilst simultaneously cheering on new potential deal with USA.

Double standards?


Like all the Brexiteers, he doesn't actually have answers or solutions, just flag-waving, sound bites and ludicrous hashtags. Or in Sevenair's case, memes.


I’ve spent plenty of time in the past 6 months answering posts but the pro EU clan are so blinded and think it’s the EU is the be all and end all you can’t even accept perfectly valid points. Then there’s a few on this thread who haven’t even lived in the UK (or even visited perhaps?) and know nothing about the impact the EU has had on the UK, but they still think they know best.

So instead i’ll take a different approach and I’ll just enjoy myself by sharing all those fantastic news articles you all should read.
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:58 pm

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So instead i’ll take a different approach and I’ll just enjoy myself by sharing all those fantastic news articles you all should read.


And you should go read this:

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2018/07 ... om-no.html
 
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So is it a given that the EU will accept the UK's latest proposal? Somehow I don't think it removes TM's red lines far enough, and with Trumps opinion all the more reason for the EU to demand even more concessions....leverage, its all about leverage in negotiations...the EU could balance its budget and clear its pension obligation in one fell swoop.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:19 am

We’ll head towards a no deal scenario.
 
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Who is we.....the parliament is in charge and the majority are on the remain side and are willing to pay the price to remain.
The issue for the UK is that EU has been united in one voice from the start, in the UK however, some seemed to think it's the Tories, Labour, Brexiters, Remain, Lords, elites, etc etc etc. to the Eu they are one.....UK...
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:12 am

Trump made it clear that only the hard Brexit is the way forward. And Trump knows how to make deals. May is too weak and should be replaced by Johnson who would make a great PM.
 
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Trump made it clear that only the hard Brexit is the way forward. And Trump knows how to make deals. May is too weak and should be replaced by Johnson who would make a great PM.


You're not actually serious right? I mean, you don't actually believe this, do you?

It's like a healthy person saying "You know what'll improve my health? If i shoot myself in the gut."
 
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Arion640 wrote:

So instead i’ll take a different approach and I’ll just enjoy myself by sharing all those fantastic news articles you all should read.


And you should go read this:

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2018/07 ... om-no.html


Not a verified news site so i’m not really a fan.
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I’ve spent plenty of time in the past 6 months answering posts but the pro EU clan are so blinded and think it’s the EU is the be all and end all you can’t even accept perfectly valid points.


Well apologies, I must have missed your solution to the NI border question. Can you remind me? Thanks.
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seahawk wrote:
Trump made it clear that only the hard Brexit is the way forward. And Trump knows how to make deals. May is too weak and should be replaced by Johnson who would make a great PM.


You're not actually serious right? I mean, you don't actually believe this, do you?

It's like a healthy person saying "You know what'll improve my health? If i shoot myself in the gut."


President Trump thinks otherwise: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44815558
 
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So Supreme Leader Juncker decided to turn up to the NATO Sumit drunk. If I did that I would be sacked. Not the type of person you want running an organisation like the EU.

And the shocking thing is you can’t even get rid of him.
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Well apologies, I must have missed your solution to the NI border question. Can you remind me? Thanks.


The EU has to cave in and accept a border that only consists out of some electronic gadgets .... you know, the whole "we want to take control over our borders back and you need to support us by not having a border with us" tag line...

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So Supreme Leader Juncker decided to turn up to the NATO Sumit drunk. If I did that I would be sacked. Not the type of person you want running an organisation like the EU.

And the shocking thing is you can’t even get rid of him.


haha, quite an accomplishment to tell so much untruths in a few sentences.

1. Supreme Leader, nice frame, but he isn't the real power lies with the council of government leaders, not with the European Commision
2. It is said that his back was acting up and he wasn't drunk (although he is known for his drinking habits)
3. He is not running the EU, see point 1.
4. Sure you can get rid of him, if you wanted to. You just have to get rid of the whole commission.

Quite a lot of frames and half-truths in there.
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Arion640 wrote:
So Supreme Leader Juncker decided to turn up to the NATO Sumit drunk. If I did that I would be sacked. Not the type of person you want running an organisation like the EU.

And the shocking thing is you can’t even get rid of him.


haha, quite an accomplishment to tell so much untruths in a few sentences.

1. Supreme Leader, nice frame, but he isn't the real power lies with the council of government leaders, not with the European Commision
2. It is said that his back was acting up and he wasn't drunk (although he is known for his drinking habits)
3. He is not running the EU, see point 1.
4. Sure you can get rid of him, if you wanted to. You just have to get rid of the whole commission.

Quite a lot of frames and half-truths in there.


He’s known for drinking but his back was playing up, that’s one of the funniest things I’ve heard. Dutchy trying to cover up for his Supreme? The EU can do no wrong!!
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Arion640 wrote:
So Supreme Leader Juncker decided to turn up to the NATO Sumit drunk. If I did that I would be sacked. Not the type of person you want running an organisation like the EU.

And the shocking thing is you can’t even get rid of him.


haha, quite an accomplishment to tell so much untruths in a few sentences.

1. Supreme Leader, nice frame, but he isn't the real power lies with the council of government leaders, not with the European Commision
2. It is said that his back was acting up and he wasn't drunk (although he is known for his drinking habits)
3. He is not running the EU, see point 1.
4. Sure you can get rid of him, if you wanted to. You just have to get rid of the whole commission.

Quite a lot of frames and half-truths in there.


He’s known for drinking but his back was playing up, that’s one of the funniest things I’ve heard. Dutchy trying to cover up for his Supreme? The EU can do no wrong!!


That's what pm Rutte said and he helped him. But let me reverse that argument: Arion trying to attack the EU. The EU can do no good!!

BTW a lot of things wrong with the EU, just more things are right and working together is better than doing things differently.
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haha, quite an accomplishment to tell so much untruths in a few sentences.

1. Supreme Leader, nice frame, but he isn't the real power lies with the council of government leaders, not with the European Commision
2. It is said that his back was acting up and he wasn't drunk (although he is known for his drinking habits)
3. He is not running the EU, see point 1.
4. Sure you can get rid of him, if you wanted to. You just have to get rid of the whole commission.

Quite a lot of frames and half-truths in there.


Well, isn´t the pattern clear? The most avid supporters of a hard Brexit show massive lack of knowledge regarding the inner workings and rules of the EU, and refuse to memorize the bits they get from those more knowledgeable.

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haha, quite an accomplishment to tell so much untruths in a few sentences.

1. Supreme Leader, nice frame, but he isn't the real power lies with the council of government leaders, not with the European Commision
2. It is said that his back was acting up and he wasn't drunk (although he is known for his drinking habits)
3. He is not running the EU, see point 1.
4. Sure you can get rid of him, if you wanted to. You just have to get rid of the whole commission.

Quite a lot of frames and half-truths in there.


Well, isn´t the pattern clear? The most avid supporters of a hard Brexit show massive lack of knowledge regarding the inner workings and rules or the EU, and refuse to memorize the bits they get from those more knowledgeable.

best regards
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:59 am

Remoaners triggered!!
 
Arion640
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:01 am

seahawk wrote:
Remoaners triggered!!


#meltdown :bouncy:
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:09 am

Services, fish, Northern Ireland, Arion640??

Or just name calling and sound bites?
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:13 am

Good morning EU

We'd like to stay with you.

Signed, Independent Scotland :D
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
 
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:19 am

Arion640 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
haha, quite an accomplishment to tell so much untruths in a few sentences.

1. Supreme Leader, nice frame, but he isn't the real power lies with the council of government leaders, not with the European Commision
2. It is said that his back was acting up and he wasn't drunk (although he is known for his drinking habits)
3. He is not running the EU, see point 1.
4. Sure you can get rid of him, if you wanted to. You just have to get rid of the whole commission.

Quite a lot of frames and half-truths in there.


Well, isn´t the pattern clear? The most avid supporters of a hard Brexit show massive lack of knowledge regarding the inner workings and rules or the EU, and refuse to memorize the bits they get from those more knowledgeable.

best regards
Thomas



And you all get so frustrated and wound up about it. Which is brilliant.


CHeck, you are just a troll, explains a lot.
Many happy landings, greetings from The Netherlands!
 
Arion640
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:57 am

Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

Well, isn´t the pattern clear? The most avid supporters of a hard Brexit show massive lack of knowledge regarding the inner workings and rules or the EU, and refuse to memorize the bits they get from those more knowledgeable.

best regards
Thomas



And you all get so frustrated and wound up about it. Which is brilliant.


CHeck, you are just a troll, explains a lot.


Am I? I’ve certainly engaged in plenty of discussion with you in the time this thread has been running. I’m only apparently a troll because I don’t agree with your view point. Infact me or Sevenair opposing anything the EU does or even saying the EU is a bad thing is us being trolls.
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Re: Brexit EU position Phase 2

Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:11 am

The funny thing is that only brexiters care about Juncker. A man who will be retired next year....

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