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A Classic, 1970 Airport Climax Landing

Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:46 pm

Since the northeast is under a snow storm , now would be a good time to bring out a classic snow landing.

1.Not CGI.
2.Yes kids, near the end of the runway that is a 707 skidding to a stop, the Flying Tiger pilots came in a little hot for the shot, so the story goes. Good thing the cameras were rolling...... Cool to see over and over.
3. Yes, there is some Hollywood in the sequence but they got the jargon right. Though I don't understand the "right rudder" reference, just say,"right brake" or the need for two pilot stand on the right brake, again there some Hollywood in the scenes.
4. How many pilots did this movie inspire?

So for those sitting on planes right now in the air or on the ground...............enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ244ligibk
 
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Re: A Classic, 1970 Airport Climax Landing

Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:15 pm

Why is a radar controlling clearing him to land!
 
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Re: A Classic, 1970 Airport Climax Landing

Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:23 pm

That was great. I wonder how many pilots still play that song during night time snow landings? And one third of the crew clearly shit-faced, no wonder he's standing on the right rudder, typical drunk driver move..anyway, when men were men and fancy FBW auto-landing was just a wet dream for the weak and pathetic, aaaargh matey!
 
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Re: A Classic, 1970 Airport Climax Landing

Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:38 pm

I was so attuned to the "Airplane" movie that I kept anticipating Johnny to unplug the runway lighting.

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Re: A Classic, 1970 Airport Climax Landing

Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:43 pm

I enjoy the gentle rocking the cockpit set does during the scene. Back and forth, back and forth.... soo soothing....

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Re: A Classic, 1970 Airport Climax Landing

Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:05 pm

william wrote:
Since the northeast is under a snow storm , now would be a good time to bring out a classic snow landing.

1.Not CGI.
2.Yes kids, near the end of the runway that is a 707 skidding to a stop, the Flying Tiger pilots came in a little hot for the shot, so the story goes. Good thing the cameras were rolling...... Cool to see over and over.
3. Yes, there is some Hollywood in the sequence but they got the jargon right. Though I don't understand the "right rudder" reference, just say,"right brake" or the need for two pilot stand on the right brake, again there some Hollywood in the scenes.
4. How many pilots did this movie inspire?

So for those sitting on planes right now in the air or on the ground...............enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ244ligibk


I guess "right rudder" was more 'Hollywood' than "right brake". Use of rudder is a good thing but loses it's effectiveness as you slow. The movie sure inspired me, at the tender young age of 15! BTW, There's a certain comment Dean Martin makes on approach when runway 29 is reopened that would never get past the censors nowadays...ah, the 70s :D
 
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Re: A Classic, 1970 Airport Climax Landing

Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:23 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Why is a radar controlling clearing him to land!


Because it's a PAR approach. Radar gives you instructions right until minimums. You don't get switched to the tower until you're on the ground.
 
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Re: A Classic, 1970 Airport Climax Landing

Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:03 pm

Definitely doesn't stand up to the test of time. How corny!

I love the models and effects though.
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Re: A Classic, 1970 Airport Climax Landing

Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:05 pm

deebee278 wrote:
I guess "right rudder" was more 'Hollywood' than "right brake". Use of rudder is a good thing but loses it's effectiveness as you slow. The movie sure inspired me, at the tender young age of 15! BTW, There's a certain comment Dean Martin makes on approach when runway 29 is reopened that would never get past the censors nowadays...ah, the 70s :D


Actually it looked like the pilots ground-looped the 707 prior to reaching the over-run. Using full right rudder will turn the nosewheel (nosewheel steering) up to 20 degrees or so. If that was their intention, then it worked pretty good.

Side note: Dino Martin (Dean's son) was a decent stick in the CA reserves. He flew F-4's out of March AB. Tragically, he bought the farm in the San Bernardino Mountains when his F-4 hit a peak in the weather.
 
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Re: A Classic, 1970 Airport Climax Landing

Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:09 am

32andBelow wrote:
Why is a radar controlling clearing him to land!

He asked for a PAR approach - Precision Approach Radar Approach (aka a radar talk down). Radar controller will give headings and heights throughout. Radar controller will also relay the landing clearance (Received from the VCR).
Old school, though still used often on military fields.
 
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Re: A Classic, 1970 Airport Climax Landing

Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:09 am

CCGPV wrote:
Definitely doesn't stand up to the test of time. How corny!

I love the models and effects though.


That 707 at the end was the real thing and not a model.
 
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Re: A Classic, 1970 Airport Climax Landing

Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:28 pm

RetiredWeasel wrote:
deebee278 wrote:
I guess "right rudder" was more 'Hollywood' than "right brake". Use of rudder is a good thing but loses it's effectiveness as you slow. The movie sure inspired me, at the tender young age of 15! BTW, There's a certain comment Dean Martin makes on approach when runway 29 is reopened that would never get past the censors nowadays...ah, the 70s :D


Actually it looked like the pilots ground-looped the 707 prior to reaching the over-run. Using full right rudder will turn the nosewheel (nosewheel steering) up to 20 degrees or so. If that was their intention, then it worked pretty good.


I agree about the nosewheel steering/rudder interaction. In real life, at that speed on that contaminated runway, I'm not sure it would be as effective as shown in the movie. If that had been an MD80 with it's smaller nosewheel tires, the 'mad dog' would have plowed right through the camera crew. (Personal experience, on a much smaller scale)
 
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Re: A Classic, 1970 Airport Climax Landing

Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:02 am

Wouldn't the pilots have to switch a few more buttons and to turn some knobs on finals? The only thing they do is moving the yoke around...
 
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Re: A Classic, 1970 Airport Climax Landing

Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:57 am

BartSimpson wrote:
Wouldn't the pilots have to switch a few more buttons and to turn some knobs on finals? The only thing they do is moving the yoke around...



I suppose they would have to for it to be a true Hollywood movie. In every movie there seems to be some magic button on the overhead that seems to do everything.

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