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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:05 am

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Ha ha, confidence in western values. I'm a westerner, but I'm not an idiot.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own ineptitude; without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence.

Hey didn't your momma ever tell you two wrongs don't make a right?

Saying the US, or in this thread we should be talking about the UK, should just bend over and take it is ludicrous, regardless of past transgressions. In fact, it reeks of the hallmarks of Russian agitprop.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:22 am

- RT broadcasting might be revoked
- Olichargs or Russia love to invest their money in the UK and EU, these might be seized by the UK government, so that might hurt the inner circle of Putin.
- Apparently, the Russian media says that the UK is doing this because they lost out for the organization of the World cup............

Freakysh wrote:
I'm a westerner, but I'm not an idiot.


You could have fooled me :roll:
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:18 am

Actual news on this, reportedly the agent was slipped in the daughters suitcase in moscow.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:37 am

Dutchy wrote:
- RT broadcasting might be revoked
- Olichargs or Russia love to invest their money in the UK and EU, these might be seized by the UK government, so that might hurt the inner circle of Putin.
- Apparently, the Russian media says that the UK is doing this because they lost out for the organization of the World cup............

Freakysh wrote:
I'm a westerner, but I'm not an idiot.


You could have fooled me :roll:



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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:03 am

Jouhou wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Ha ha, confidence in western values. I'm a westerner, but I'm not an idiot.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own ineptitude; without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence.

Hey didn't your momma ever tell you two wrongs don't make a right?

Saying the US, or in this thread we should be talking about the UK, should just bend over and take it is ludicrous, regardless of past transgressions. In fact, it reeks of the hallmarks of Russian agitprop.


Who said they should just take it?

My stance from the beginning has been show me the evidence it was the Russians. Amazing that within hours it's concluded it was definitely the Russian government. That's some investigative work. Don't know about you, but such an instant conclusion rings alarm bells for me.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:41 am

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Amazing that within hours it's concluded it was definitely the Russian government. That's some investigative work.


It was considered highly likely that it was the Russians....

Don't know about you, but such an instant conclusion rings alarm bells for me.


Right, because there are so many other people that murder Russian spies with Russian nerve agents on foreign soil..... motive, means, opportunity.... exactly how any other investigation gets it suspects... Oh yeah, they are also repeat offenders, considering this is the 3rd "unpleasant" person they have murdered in the UK.

The UK government has been amazingly diplomatic about the acts of war committed on their soil by Russia: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 87616.html

For all i care, the UK can kill whoever in Russia they can´t get extradited. They have every right to. Considering that a Weapon of mass destruction was used, they could nuke Moscow, as by international consensus you can retaliate to an WMD attack with WMDs.They are showing amazing restrained in their fairly meager reasction.

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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:44 am

tommy1808 wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Amazing that within hours it's concluded it was definitely the Russian government. That's some investigative work.


It was considered highly likely that it was the Russians....

Don't know about you, but such an instant conclusion rings alarm bells for me.


Right, because there are so many other people that murder Russian spies with Russian nerve agents on foreign soil..... motive, means, opportunity.... exactly how any other investigation gets it suspects... Oh yeah, they are also repeat offenders, considering this is the 3rd "unpleasant" person they have murdered in the UK.

The UK government has been amazingly diplomatic about the acts of war committed on their soil by Russia: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 87616.html

For all i care, the UK can kill whoever in Russia they can´t get extradited. They have every right to. Considering that a Weapon of mass destruction was used, they could nuke Moscow, as by international consensus you can retaliate to an WMD attack with WMDs.They are showing amazing restrained in their fairly meager reasction.

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Please feel free to list the actual proof you have the Russians did it. Which version of novichok was used in this particular attack?
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:12 am

Freakysh wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Amazing that within hours it's concluded it was definitely the Russian government. That's some investigative work.


It was considered highly likely that it was the Russians....

Don't know about you, but such an instant conclusion rings alarm bells for me.


Right, because there are so many other people that murder Russian spies with Russian nerve agents on foreign soil..... motive, means, opportunity.... exactly how any other investigation gets it suspects... Oh yeah, they are also repeat offenders, considering this is the 3rd "unpleasant" person they have murdered in the UK.

The UK government has been amazingly diplomatic about the acts of war committed on their soil by Russia: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 87616.html

For all i care, the UK can kill whoever in Russia they can´t get extradited. They have every right to. Considering that a Weapon of mass destruction was used, they could nuke Moscow, as by international consensus you can retaliate to an WMD attack with WMDs.They are showing amazing restrained in their fairly meager reasction.

best regards
Thomas


Please feel free to list the actual proof you have the Russians did it. Which version of novichok was used in this particular attack?


I'm sure the scientists at Porton Down Defence Science and Technology Laboratory would have thoroughly investigated the Novichok used in this assassination attempt, and determined it's origins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porton_Down

I would also think that GCHQ and the Security Services (I.E. MI6) would have sources/informants.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:20 am

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My stance from the beginning has been show me the evidence it was the Russians.


It is quite astonishing that the Government hasn't given you a personal briefing into this highly sensitive matter. :sarcastic:
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:20 pm

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Please feel free to list the actual proof you have the Russians did it.


For we get to see those Russia needs to agree to hold an actual extradition treaty, which they won´t do for the same reason Trump won´t sue any of his accusers for libel. They both now they are guilty and never, ever want a court to rule on it.

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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:25 pm

Why are you guys taking the bait from this idiot ? Just ignore him and continue your discussion about this act of war/terrorism on British soil.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:09 pm

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Jouhou wrote:
Wtf does that prove, kremlebot? How does this justify Russian actions? Hint: it doesn't.


:lol:

So what are you crying about? You can give it but can't take it, is that it?

Someone plays America's game and suddenly the sky's falling in. Grow some balls soy boy. :wave:


If I remember correctly, they are talking about Eltzin hiring US media and PR specialists to help with his election campaign. And not about Americans secretly intervening in the Russian election to prop Eltzin up. But I am sure you already knew it, comrade.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:00 pm

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Why are you guys taking the bait from this idiot ? Just ignore him and continue your discussion about this act of war/terrorism on British soil.


Because it's the only way to counter agitprop. It's not to win an argument with this guy, it's for people who don't recognize it for what it is.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:20 pm

Dogman wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
Wtf does that prove, kremlebot? How does this justify Russian actions? Hint: it doesn't.


:lol:

So what are you crying about? You can give it but can't take it, is that it?

Someone plays America's game and suddenly the sky's falling in. Grow some balls soy boy. :wave:


If I remember correctly, they are talking about Eltzin hiring US media and PR specialists to help with his election campaign. And not about Americans secretly intervening in the Russian election to prop Eltzin up. But I am sure you already knew it, comrade.



Hey comrade, you may want to refresh your memory and remember it more correctly.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:21 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Please feel free to list the actual proof you have the Russians did it.


For we get to see those Russia needs to agree to hold an actual extradition treaty, which they won´t do for the same reason Trump won´t sue any of his accusers for libel. They both now they are guilty and never, ever want a court to rule on it.

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This makes no sense. The UK can put up their proof or shut up. This isn't some little woman with everything to lose.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:24 pm

scbriml wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
My stance from the beginning has been show me the evidence it was the Russians.


It is quite astonishing that the Government hasn't given you a personal briefing into this highly sensitive matter. :sarcastic:


I know right!

Fancy for not wanting to just take the UK governments word on it. I reckon GWB could get back in power and you'd be happy to go into war with some phony claim on WMD.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:39 am

Freakysh wrote:
SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Why? You haven't noticed the ramped up anti Russia sentiment over the last 18 months? :lol:

Absolutely!
The question is this; have you noticed all the things Russia has done to provoke anti-Russian sentiment in the last 18 mths (& before...)?

Hey Sheikh.

No, I haven't.

You haven't? Not one thing?
In that case, I can only conclude you must have the attention span of a goldfish, and are fiercely proud of it....so here's a cool joke for you;

There are two kinds of people in this world:

1) Those that can extrapolate from incomplete data.
..


I'm betting you wish we would all forget that piece of recent history with the same great fervour that you employ in conveniently forgetting any crimes Russia has committed.

Let me remind you how it ended
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This place really isn't for me, time to move on

Well said. :yes:
And make sure the door doesn't hit you on the ass as you leave. :wave:
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:44 am

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Absolutely!
The question is this; have you noticed all the things Russia has done to provoke anti-Russian sentiment in the last 18 mths (& before...)?

Hey Sheikh.

No, I haven't.

You haven't? Not one thing?
In that case, I can only conclude you must have the attention span of a goldfish, and are fiercely proud of it....so here's a cool joke for you;

There are two kinds of people in this world:

1) Those that can extrapolate from incomplete data.
..


I'm betting you wish we would all forget that piece of recent history with the same great fervour that you employ in conveniently forgetting any crimes Russia has committed.

Let me remind you how it ended
Freakysh wrote:
This place really isn't for me, time to move on

Well said. :yes:
And make sure the door doesn't hit you on the ass as you leave. :wave:


Ha ha, wow, that's really your response?

I still agree that this place isn't for me, but I have an addictive personality.

When you feel like discussing my original response to you, give me a buzz :wave:

Ps...what is the other type of person? Like the first time I replied to it, the poster forgot to finish it off. TIA
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:50 am

Freakysh wrote:
SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Freakysh wrote:

Hey Sheikh.

No, I haven't.

You haven't? Not one thing?
In that case, I can only conclude you must have the attention span of a goldfish, and are fiercely proud of it....so here's a cool joke for you;

There are two kinds of people in this world:

1) Those that can extrapolate from incomplete data.
..


I'm betting you wish we would all forget that piece of recent history with the same great fervour that you employ in conveniently forgetting any crimes Russia has committed.

Let me remind you how it ended
Freakysh wrote:
This place really isn't for me, time to move on

Well said. :yes:
And make sure the door doesn't hit you on the ass as you leave. :wave:


Ha ha, wow, that's really your response?

I still agree that this place isn't for me, but I have an addictive personality.

When you feel like discussing my original response to you, give me a buzz :wave:

Ps...what is the other type of person? Like the first time I replied to it, the poster forgot to finish it off. TIA




As they say on the television police shows here, let us just say that Putin is a person of interest. Can we agree on that?
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:17 am

WarRI1 wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
SheikhDjibouti wrote:
You haven't? Not one thing?
In that case, I can only conclude you must have the attention span of a goldfish, and are fiercely proud of it....so here's a cool joke for you;



I'm betting you wish we would all forget that piece of recent history with the same great fervour that you employ in conveniently forgetting any crimes Russia has committed.

Let me remind you how it ended

Well said. :yes:
And make sure the door doesn't hit you on the ass as you leave. :wave:


Ha ha, wow, that's really your response?

I still agree that this place isn't for me, but I have an addictive personality.

When you feel like discussing my original response to you, give me a buzz :wave:

Ps...what is the other type of person? Like the first time I replied to it, the poster forgot to finish it off. TIA




As they say on the television police shows here, let us just say that Putin is a person of interest. Can we agree on that?


No worries, he's a person of interest, an interesting person, whatever you want.

I don't really give a crap about Putin. What I do care about is this conclusion to how something happened before the smoke has even cleared. Call me cynical, but I'm not just going to swallow what is rammed down my throat without at least some logic. Circumstantial evidence doesn't cut it for me.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:16 am

Freakysh wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:
Freakysh wrote:

Ha ha, wow, that's really your response?

I still agree that this place isn't for me, but I have an addictive personality.

When you feel like discussing my original response to you, give me a buzz :wave:

Ps...what is the other type of person? Like the first time I replied to it, the poster forgot to finish it off. TIA




As they say on the television police shows here, let us just say that Putin is a person of interest. Can we agree on that?


No worries, he's a person of interest, an interesting person, whatever you want.

I don't really give a crap about Putin. What I do care about is this conclusion to how something happened before the smoke has even cleared. Call me cynical, but I'm not just going to swallow what is rammed down my throat without at least some logic. Circumstantial evidence doesn't cut it for me.


Those in the know aren't cleared to tell you. You're gonna have to wait 30 years or so for things to get fully declassified to know the full story... The things that are going on are historic enough to merit declassification in the future.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:43 am

Jouhou wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:



As they say on the television police shows here, let us just say that Putin is a person of interest. Can we agree on that?


No worries, he's a person of interest, an interesting person, whatever you want.

I don't really give a crap about Putin. What I do care about is this conclusion to how something happened before the smoke has even cleared. Call me cynical, but I'm not just going to swallow what is rammed down my throat without at least some logic. Circumstantial evidence doesn't cut it for me.


Those in the know aren't cleared to tell you. You're gonna have to wait 30 years or so for things to get fully declassified to know the full story... The things that are going on are historic enough to merit declassification in the future


Yep, like WMDs in Iraq, but by which time it will probably be too late as the West is hell bent on creating another war
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:55 am

Freakysh wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
Freakysh wrote:

No worries, he's a person of interest, an interesting person, whatever you want.

I don't really give a crap about Putin. What I do care about is this conclusion to how something happened before the smoke has even cleared. Call me cynical, but I'm not just going to swallow what is rammed down my throat without at least some logic. Circumstantial evidence doesn't cut it for me.


Those in the know aren't cleared to tell you. You're gonna have to wait 30 years or so for things to get fully declassified to know the full story... The things that are going on are historic enough to merit declassification in the future


Yep, like WMDs in Iraq, but by which time it will probably be too late as the West is hell bent on creating another war


I don't want a war. I want us to remove all leverage they have on us. I want business ties severed, organized crime and money laundering schemes prosecuted, cyber security Enhancements and a counter-propaganda effort.

Why the hell is the US slapping tariffs on Europe(and everyone else) when we should instead be working to reduce Russian imports?
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:06 am

Jouhou wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Jouhou wrote:

Those in the know aren't cleared to tell you. You're gonna have to wait 30 years or so for things to get fully declassified to know the full story... The things that are going on are historic enough to merit declassification in the future


Yep, like WMDs in Iraq, but by which time it will probably be too late as the West is hell bent on creating another war


I don't want a war. I want us to remove all leverage they have on us. I want business ties severed, organized crime and money laundering schemes prosecuted, cyber security Enhancements and a counter-propaganda effort.



I agree with your first sentence. But why the rest? How big a trading partner is Russia to you? Bet they aren't even in the top ten. You really have had a lovely boogeyman created for you. :lol:
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:22 am

Freakysh wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
Freakysh wrote:

Yep, like WMDs in Iraq, but by which time it will probably be too late as the West is hell bent on creating another war


I don't want a war. I want us to remove all leverage they have on us. I want business ties severed, organized crime and money laundering schemes prosecuted, cyber security Enhancements and a counter-propaganda effort.



I agree with your first sentence. But why the rest? How big a trading partner is Russia to you? Bet they aren't even in the top ten. You really have had a lovely boogeyman created for you. :lol:


They aren't a big trading partner. They have leverage over certain corporations that lobby our government. It gives them leverage. We need to take away that leverage.

Our president is bending over backwards to downplay Russian actions. Who exactly is creating this boogeyman? It's not our leadership, that's for sure.
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:06 am

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unique chemical weapons which only Russia knows how to produce.


Come on dude, you saying there are no chemists out there smart enough to work it out? It's not the colonel's secret herbs and spices. You do realise we know the chemical compositions of the variety of versions of novichok.

FFS you live in some sweet fantasy land
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:14 am

Freakysh wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
unique chemical weapons which only Russia knows how to produce.


Come on dude, you saying there are no chemists out there smart enough to work it out? It's not the colonel's secret herbs and spices. You do realise we know the chemical compositions of the variety of versions of novichok.

FFS you live in some sweet fantasy land


And what would be the motive, besides Russia?
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:20 am

Dutchy wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
unique chemical weapons which only Russia knows how to produce.


Come on dude, you saying there are no chemists out there smart enough to work it out? It's not the colonel's secret herbs and spices. You do realise we know the chemical compositions of the variety of versions of novichok.

FFS you live in some sweet fantasy land


And what would be the motive, besides Russia?


To. Pin. It. On. Russia.

"Hey, let's kill a dissedent by using a nerve agent that only "we" produce. No one will know it us!"

Are we suggesting that Putin is that arrogant?
 
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:31 am

Ah yes, the classic Russian argument, everybody is against poor old Russia. :lol:

And why would Putin's government not that arrogant? We have seen shameless acts of them.
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:39 am

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Ah yes, the classic Russian argument, everybody is against poor old Russia. :lol:

And why would Putin's government not that arrogant? We have seen shameless acts of them.


Then show the proof. Pin it on him. What's the big secret, why does it need to be classified? They want him, go get him.
 
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:49 am

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Dutchy wrote:
Ah yes, the classic Russian argument, everybody is against poor old Russia. :lol:

And why would Putin's government not that arrogant? We have seen shameless acts of them.


Then show the proof. Pin it on him. What's the big secret, why does it need to be classified? They want him, go get him.


Ahh, that's the problem, the Brittish government didn't give you a secret briefing.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:55 am

Dutchy wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Ah yes, the classic Russian argument, everybody is against poor old Russia. :lol:

And why would Putin's government not that arrogant? We have seen shameless acts of them.


Then show the proof. Pin it on him. What's the big secret, why does it need to be classified? They want him, go get him.


Ahh, that's the problem, the Brittish government didn't give you a secret briefing.


Yes, therein lies the problem.

Theresa May wrote:
It is highly likely the Russians did it because they have been making novichok since the 80s


That's it. Am I missing something? This is what you are putting your trust in? There's no mention that they have critical info that links Russia to it. Just the above. Oh and Russia haven't explained what has happened. lol

I wish my day to day life worked like that, there's a few people at work I'd like to see disappear too :lol:
 
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:18 pm

yes you are missing something, google is your friend.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:27 pm

Dutchy wrote:
yes you are missing something, google is your friend.


I have googled and I genuinely haven't found anything else. Please help me if you have further information.
 
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:33 pm

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don't believe you....


Check mate.
 
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:33 pm

don't believe you....
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:36 pm

Freakysh wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
don't believe you....


Check mate.


indeed, thank you :D
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:45 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
don't believe you....


Check mate.


indeed, thank you :D


So you are just trolling. Should have known better than to get trolled by a dutchy.

Gotta go, hopefully when I'm back, someone can point me towards the am I missing something smoking gun.

Till next time..
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:08 pm

Freakysh wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Freakysh wrote:

Check mate.


indeed, thank you :D


So you are just trolling. Should have known better than to get trolled by a dutchy.

Gotta go, hopefully when I'm back, someone can point me towards the am I missing something smoking gun.

Till next time..


And another strange conclusion you are making..........
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:28 pm

zkojq wrote:
LAH1 wrote:
The UK will expel 23 Russian diplomats after Moscow refused to explain how a Russian-made nerve agent was used on a former spy in Salisbury, the PM says.

Theresa May said the diplomats, who have a week to leave, were identified as "undeclared intelligence officers".

She also revoked an invitation to Russia's foreign minister, and said the Royal Family would not attend the Fifa World Cup later this year. BBC

Well, it's a start.....

That's....pathetic.

When someone uses wmds on your soil, it is not the time to go out of your way to be restrained. Stop issuing visas to Russian citizens, give all Russian passport holders 30 days to leave the UK, cancel all flights between UK and RU, prohibit Russian trawlers from docking at UK ports, put a 500% tariff on Russian alcoholic beverages or maybe prohibit Russian citizens/businesses/trusts from holding equities in British firms and owning British real estate (that would be fun :lol: ) . Could they really not think of anything more substantial?

Would be nice if the EU and UK united together, declared that their athletes would not be attending the world cup and organised a one-off replacement tournament instead. Alternatively if they worked together to get Russia disconnected from SWIFT that might be useful.


You know, I agree with most of your points actually.
Banning Russians from entering the UK and buying properties there would make these oligarghs invest money in Russia, so I am all for it, 100%.

Disconnecting Russia from SWIFT would be shooting yourselves in the foot as you guys need Russian exports more than we need you, so it would look kinda funny with EU sending trucks of gold to Russia to pay for anything they buy.
Remember what happened when Visa stopped workibg for a few days in Russia in 2014? We developed our own transaction system (Mir) and forced Visa to put a couple billion $ on the Russian Central bank's account as collateral. Which they did. So there again you screwed yourselves.

As far as the WC goes, maybe if your guys boycott, Russia's sorry excuse for football will have a chance to make it out of the qualifiers. In 2018 and 2022 since you will be banned from the next tournament aswell for the boycott :lol:

So go ahead. Nice that you want to help Russia so much. ;)
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:48 pm

tu204 wrote:
zkojq wrote:
LAH1 wrote:
The UK will expel 23 Russian diplomats after Moscow refused to explain how a Russian-made nerve agent was used on a former spy in Salisbury, the PM says.

Theresa May said the diplomats, who have a week to leave, were identified as "undeclared intelligence officers".

She also revoked an invitation to Russia's foreign minister, and said the Royal Family would not attend the Fifa World Cup later this year. BBC

Well, it's a start.....

That's....pathetic.

When someone uses wmds on your soil, it is not the time to go out of your way to be restrained. Stop issuing visas to Russian citizens, give all Russian passport holders 30 days to leave the UK, cancel all flights between UK and RU, prohibit Russian trawlers from docking at UK ports, put a 500% tariff on Russian alcoholic beverages or maybe prohibit Russian citizens/businesses/trusts from holding equities in British firms and owning British real estate (that would be fun :lol: ) . Could they really not think of anything more substantial?

Would be nice if the EU and UK united together, declared that their athletes would not be attending the world cup and organised a one-off replacement tournament instead. Alternatively if they worked together to get Russia disconnected from SWIFT that might be useful.


You know, I agree with most of your points actually.
Banning Russians from entering the UK and buying properties there would make these oligarghs invest money in Russia, so I am all for it, 100%.

Disconnecting Russia from SWIFT would be shooting yourselves in the foot as you guys need Russian exports more than we need you, so it would look kinda funny with EU sending trucks of gold to Russia to pay for anything they buy.
Remember what happened when Visa stopped workibg for a few days in Russia in 2014? We developed our own transaction system (Mir) and forced Visa to put a couple billion $ on the Russian Central bank's account as collateral. Which they did. So there again you screwed yourselves.

As far as the WC goes, maybe if your guys boycott, Russia's sorry excuse for football will have a chance to make it out of the qualifiers. In 2018 and 2022 since you will be banned from the next tournament aswell for the boycott :lol:

So go ahead. Nice that you want to help Russia so much. ;)


Again you are saying that Putin has failed you, well here is your chance vote him out of office tomorrow :lol:
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:53 pm

A spokesperson for the Russian Foreign Ministry had said earlier in the day against television channel Rossija 24 that Great Britain itself, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, the United States or Sweden are the possible countries of origin of the nerve gas.


There you go fictive Russian propaganda for Russians.

In Dutch: https://www.nu.nl/buitenland/5181560/zw ... uwgas.html

So I guess our resident Russians will condemn these charges with the same vengeance as they condemn the UK allegations against Russia.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:06 pm

Dutchy wrote:
A spokesperson for the Russian Foreign Ministry had said earlier in the day against television channel Rossija 24 that Great Britain itself, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, the United States or Sweden are the possible countries of origin of the nerve gas.


There you go fictive Russian propaganda for Russians.

In Dutch: https://www.nu.nl/buitenland/5181560/zw ... uwgas.html

So I guess our resident Russians will condemn these charges with the same vengeance as they condemn the UK allegations against Russia.


How the hell does someone believe that Sweden of all places would be producing the nerve agent?
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:19 pm

Jouhou wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
A spokesperson for the Russian Foreign Ministry had said earlier in the day against television channel Rossija 24 that Great Britain itself, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, the United States or Sweden are the possible countries of origin of the nerve gas.


There you go fictive Russian propaganda for Russians.

In Dutch: https://www.nu.nl/buitenland/5181560/zw ... uwgas.html

So I guess our resident Russians will condemn these charges with the same vengeance as they condemn the UK allegations against Russia.


How the hell does someone believe that Sweden of all places would be producing the nerve agent?


USSR propaganda technique: just create a lot of noise and the truth gets a white out.
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:03 pm

Dutchy wrote:
A spokesperson for the Russian Foreign Ministry had said earlier in the day against television channel Rossija 24 that Great Britain itself, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, the United States or Sweden are the possible countries of origin of the nerve gas.


There you go fictive Russian propaganda for Russians.

In Dutch: https://www.nu.nl/buitenland/5181560/zw ... uwgas.html

So I guess our resident Russians will condemn these charges with the same vengeance as they condemn the UK allegations against Russia.


Absolutely, it's all just allegations with no evidence.

I don't see Russia threatening those countries though. They've been backed into a corner, especially if they are not responsible, what do you expect them to do?
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:46 pm

Who has been "backed into a corner"?
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:28 am

Freakysh wrote:
Ha ha, wow, that's really your response?

I still agree that this place isn't for me, but I have an addictive personality.
Addictive? In about the same way that certain things stick to the bottom of one's shoes. :lol:

Freakysh wrote:
When you feel like discussing my original response to you, give me a buzz :wave:
When you feel like changing that response to my original point with something better than "No, I haven't", we'll have something to discuss.

Freakysh wrote:
Ps...what is the other type of person? Like the first time I replied to it, the poster forgot to finish it off. TIA
The "other" type of person is rather like Russia's crimes; everybody else here knows what the answer is, but you can't see it because you have you eyes shut. :rotfl:

BTW - what's your interest in the Bangla Airlines 211 crash at TIA?
Nothing to see here; move along please.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:30 am

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Ha ha, wow, that's really your response?

I still agree that this place isn't for me, but I have an addictive personality.
Addictive? In about the same way that certain things stick to the bottom of one's shoes. :lol:

Freakysh wrote:
When you feel like discussing my original response to you, give me a buzz :wave:
When you feel like changing that response to my original point with something better than "No, I haven't", we'll have something to discuss.

Freakysh wrote:
Ps...what is the other type of person? Like the first time I replied to it, the poster forgot to finish it off. TIA
The "other" type of person is rather like Russia's crimes; everybody else here knows what the answer is, but you can't see it because you have you eyes shut. :rotfl:

BTW - what's your interest in the Bangla Airlines 211 crash at TIA?


1. I think you don't understand the meaning of addictive

2. My answer still stands. No I haven't

3. So there's people that can extrapolate data and there's Russia's crimes. I don't get it

4. I have no interest in this crash.

Good chatting to you sheikh :D
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:44 pm

Freakysh wrote:
1. I think you don't understand the meaning of addictive
I totally understand addictive, but that was your choice of word to describe yourself. I see you more as something sticky that you find on the bottom of your shoe. It comes down to how you view yourself, versus how the rest of the world sees you.

Freakysh wrote:
2. My answer still stands. No I haven't {noticed any transgressions by Russia}

3. So there's people that can extrapolate data and there's {people who cannot see} Russia's crimes. I don't get it

There is an obvious link between those two answers.

Freakysh wrote:
4. I have no interest in this crash {Bangla Airlines 211 crash at TIA}.
Or indeed any aviation matter whatsoever.
Exhibit A; To date Freakysh = 147 posts. All 147 non-aviation. The absolute definition of a troll.

I'm having fun; are you? :wave:
Nothing to see here; move along please.
 
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Re: Attempted spy assasination in UK?

Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:44 pm

tu204 wrote:
Banning Russians from entering the UK and buying properties there would make these oligarghs invest money in Russia, so I am all for it, 100%.

:rotfl: Hardly. They'll put in in the next taxhaven that gives them the best return.

tu204 wrote:
you guys need Russian exports more than we need you

:rotfl: :rotfl:

tu204 wrote:
Remember what happened when Visa stopped workibg for a few days in Russia in 2014? We developed our own transaction system (Mir) and forced Visa to put a couple billion $ on the Russian Central bank's account as collateral. Which they did.

Nope. Rules were relaxed because Visa and Mastercard threatened to pull out. Seems Russia needs them more than they need Russia. ;)

Both companies considered quitting Russia after President Vladimir Putin signed the rules into law in early May, but said they would stay after officials showed a willingness to relax the requirements.


https://www.reuters.com/article/russia- ... IG20140618

Dutchy wrote:
A spokesperson for the Russian Foreign Ministry had said earlier in the day against television channel Rossija 24 that Great Britain itself, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, the United States or Sweden are the possible countries of origin of the nerve gas.


There you go fictive Russian propaganda for Russians.

The important thing here is that the Russian population will lap this up. Multiple generations of government population control where critical thinking is discouraged will do that. Same with China.

Dutchy wrote:
USSR propaganda technique: just create a lot of noise and the truth gets a white out.

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