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Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Thu May 03, 2018 8:22 pm

Simple question and I think it applies here as much as anywhere nowadays across teh internets....

Why do people love trolling? Why do some many on the internet and a few particular people on this site so love to just troll topics, groups, and people? It happens a lot as we all know and disrupts threads or sites etc. Often these people start a thread and then disappear while the thread rumbles along only to reappear from time to time to push it along, keep it going by saying the same thing over again or some outrageous (often unsubstantiated or made up) thing.

And then there are those (and yes I am one too sometimes) that absolutely must respond and even get into debates with the people, the topic even though no one really agrees. I do know the feeling, I want to respond. And when others are responding and I think I can make the point better.... ohhh i just itch to respond. And sometimes I give in and do. But nowadays when I see threads or replies by certain people I know better and normally just ignore things.

This is a fairly decent scale problem on the internet, the anonymity of it allows morons to really be extreme morons and allow hostile and sometimes vulgar people to put trash out there and basically sit back and enjoy the havok they create. They are basically useless people but this is what they enjoy.

And then there are the troll farms, both state backed but often just hobby-groups that enjoy things like this.

Is there any solution? I suspect no but who knows.

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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Thu May 03, 2018 8:39 pm

There are natural trolls and there are astroturfers (paid trolls). Natural trolls have strong opinions and astroturfers have clients to defend on the internet. So they create 100s of forum accounts to go after natural trolls or anyone with opposing view. Astroturfers motivation is only money and no stance on the actual issue..

There is no end to this until client stops paying astroturers because the social media image goals are not achieved, or PR budget need to be cut.
 
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Thu May 03, 2018 8:39 pm

No, there is no solution.

I like the "joined X years ago" on profiles. SOMETIMES that shows who is a troll and who is not.

I suspect that some trolls are simply wanting to get a rise out of people so they can say "I knew your side was completely bonkers! You people can not be taken seriously because you are unhinged!"
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Thu May 03, 2018 9:51 pm

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Thu May 03, 2018 11:32 pm

Why are obviously blatant trolling posts allowed to stay up?

It's like, my neighbor has a four year old who talks over everyone else.
The reason he talks over everyone else is that he is allowed to.
 
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Thu May 03, 2018 11:55 pm

Some people take the internet way too seriously. Others know the correct use of apostrophes.
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Fri May 04, 2018 12:05 am

As noted above, some are "professionals" but most are attention-starved sad sacks who just want someone to take notice of them. The sage advise of "don't feed the troll" should be adhered to and they'll get bored and go back to trying to hack the passwords on daddy's bookmarked porn sites. I never waste a keystroke replying to their kind, why give them the fuel they need to keep going? It's gotten pretty bad on a.net ever since the geniuses at Demand Media decides to make membership free. I've been here for about 15 years and boy, can I ever tell the difference. I don't want to sound like the grumpy old man yelling "hey you kids get off my lawn" but it's really annoying and it's hard to have rational discourse anymore especially in non-av
 
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Fri May 04, 2018 1:33 am

Its an oft studied issue and I don't think I've ever seen a concrete answer for why they exist or why people respond to them so often.

I think most of them are just losers with nothing better to do than to try and ruin everyone else's good time.
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Fri May 04, 2018 5:40 am

stlgph wrote:
Some people take the internet way too seriously. Others know the correct use of apostrophes.


And the difference between to, too, and two and their, there, and they're.
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Fri May 04, 2018 5:43 am

CCGPV wrote:
Its an oft studied issue and I don't think I've ever seen a concrete answer for why they exist or why people respond to them so often.

I think most of them are just losers with nothing better to do than to try and ruin everyone else's good time.


I wondered if you guys* were going to respond. This was the post I was waiting for. Now I can go to bed. Have a good night!

*I still have doubt that you are just one person. I genuinely enjoy your posts, whether you are one person or a group. :wave:
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Fri May 04, 2018 8:45 am

I used to overtly troll the internet. I think I did it to figure out how other people think. I don't feel compelled to troll for the sake of trolling now that I get how most other people think. It was an exploratory phase. I'm sure there's a wide spectrum of motives.
 
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Fri May 04, 2018 9:20 am

Lets identify the trolls and stone them to internet death!!
 
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Fri May 04, 2018 2:42 pm

seb146 wrote:
CCGPV wrote:
Its an oft studied issue and I don't think I've ever seen a concrete answer for why they exist or why people respond to them so often.

I think most of them are just losers with nothing better to do than to try and ruin everyone else's good time.


I wondered if you guys* were going to respond. This was the post I was waiting for. Now I can go to bed. Have a good night!

*I still have doubt that you are just one person. I genuinely enjoy your posts, whether you are one person or a group. :wave:


I'm glad you enjoy my (or is it our) insightfulness and opinions. I strive to raise the quality of discussion here every day. We all have our part to play.

Have a blessed day.
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Fri May 04, 2018 5:51 pm

From what I have observed I have noticed to kinds of trolls. One is the "You need to get educated because you are one of the sheeple". That type is the kind that believes every conspiracy theory and no amount of discussion will change their mind about how educated they are. The other type of trolls is the "tough guy" who likes to argue with people or bully them, but in real life they aren't the kind to confront anyone.
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Fri May 04, 2018 9:03 pm

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As noted above, some are "professionals" but most are attention-starved sad sacks who just want someone to take notice of them. The sage advise of "don't feed the troll" should be adhered to and they'll get bored and go back to trying to hack the passwords on daddy's bookmarked porn sites. I never waste a keystroke replying to their kind, why give them the fuel they need to keep going? It's gotten pretty bad on a.net ever since the geniuses at Demand Media decides to make membership free. I've been here for about 15 years and boy, can I ever tell the difference. I don't want to sound like the grumpy old man yelling "hey you kids get off my lawn" but it's really annoying and it's hard to have rational discourse anymore especially in non-av


I was told by someone in another topic that membership has always been free, so which is it? Because I've been lurking since 2005 and somewhere back then when I tried to sign up I remember it being a paid subscription.
 
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Fri May 04, 2018 9:55 pm

Andre3K wrote:
I was told by someone in another topic that membership has always been free, so which is it? Because I've been lurking since 2005 and somewhere back then when I tried to sign up I remember it being a paid subscription.

I paid to join back in 2006 (I had the "middle" level if recall) after lurking for about two years. And yes, it certainly cut down the flaming and trolling since you could actually be kicked off and if you wanted back in then you had to pay again (and create a new identity, fictitious or otherwise). I would love them to institute something like that again, almost any small amount would be OK.

I think some people confuse the fact you could read always read it for free, and if your lurking years extended into the free time it may seem like "it was always..."

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Fri May 04, 2018 10:06 pm

Tugger wrote:
Andre3K wrote:
I was told by someone in another topic that membership has always been free, so which is it? Because I've been lurking since 2005 and somewhere back then when I tried to sign up I remember it being a paid subscription.

I paid to join back in 2006 (I had the "middle" level if recall) after lurking for about two years. And yes, it certainly cut down the flaming and trolling since you could actually be kicked off and if you wanted back in then you had to pay again (and create a new identity, fictitious or otherwise). I would love them to institute something like that again, almost any small amount would be OK.

I think some people confuse the fact you could read always read it for free, and if your lurking years extended into the free time it may seem like "it was always..."

Tugg


Plus there's more accountability to your userbase when they've invested in your product directly. We'd never see commitment to a community like that again. Once a company that specializes in advertising and data mining buys your forum you're done for in that regards. They have all they need.
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Fri May 04, 2018 11:17 pm

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ER757 wrote:
As noted above, some are "professionals" but most are attention-starved sad sacks who just want someone to take notice of them. The sage advise of "don't feed the troll" should be adhered to and they'll get bored and go back to trying to hack the passwords on daddy's bookmarked porn sites. I never waste a keystroke replying to their kind, why give them the fuel they need to keep going? It's gotten pretty bad on a.net ever since the geniuses at Demand Media decides to make membership free. I've been here for about 15 years and boy, can I ever tell the difference. I don't want to sound like the grumpy old man yelling "hey you kids get off my lawn" but it's really annoying and it's hard to have rational discourse anymore especially in non-av


I was told by someone in another topic that membership has always been free, so which is it? Because I've been lurking since 2005 and somewhere back then when I tried to sign up I remember it being a paid subscription.

As Tugger pointed out, it was always free to read the forums but you had to join in order to post - it was a one-time fee of $25.00 or you could upgrade and pay a yearly fee to have the site appear ad-free. As he also noted, if you constantly posted inflammatory remarks you could get banned and the only way back in was pay to create a new identity. Not many takers (although there were certainly a few that I can recall).
These days any bozo can come in here and post any crap he wants and if by some chance the mods do give them the heave-ho, they just come back the next day with another user name. So, what we have now is trolls in non-av and unabashed fan boys in civ-av, both of whom post all sorts of nonsense
 
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Fri May 04, 2018 11:50 pm

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As Tugger pointed out, it was always free to read the forums but you had to join in order to post - it was a one-time fee of $25.00 or you could upgrade and pay a yearly fee to have the site appear ad-free.
That's not always been the case. Before Demand Media, in the good old days of Johan, you could get a free account. Those users remained free through all ownership changes.
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Fri May 04, 2018 11:53 pm

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So, what we have now is trolls in non-av and unabashed fan boys in civ-av, both of whom post all sorts of nonsense

I don't know about the fan boys, but I haven't seen much correlation between trolling and new accounts here in non-av. There is one troll here with a 9 month old handle, but afik that's the only recently assigned trolling handle. Two of the worst recent trolls have 14 and 11 year old handles respectively.

Your logic sounds right, but I don't see it in practice.
 
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Sat May 05, 2018 1:41 am

I also wonder if some people are not trolls so much as having lived in the echo chamber for so long that is all they have to debate? "Repeat a lie enough times...." and "half a truth is still a lie" and so on.

It is just a theory about a few so-called "trolls" and not a point about anyone in particular.
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Sat May 05, 2018 1:58 am

I think it is a way to get attention, and stir the poo plain and simple.
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Sat May 05, 2018 3:35 am

Remember the days when non-aviation had threads about winning a girl over with a snow globe? Good times.
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Sat May 05, 2018 6:05 am

And the not so good days of lawyergal, who ended up in prison.

Yes the trolling has intensified since free membership has returned. I find myself responding.
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Sat May 05, 2018 6:46 am

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No, there is no solution.

I like the "joined X years ago" on profiles. SOMETIMES that shows who is a troll and who is not.

I suspect that some trolls are simply wanting to get a rise out of people so they can say "I knew your side was completely bonkers! You people can not be taken seriously because you are unhinged!"


I wouldn't be surprised if some of these well aged accounts that bloom into trolling haven't been taken over ( or were created as "sleeper accounts" some time back).
Also look at posting times: if some one solely posts local 9 to 5 it is doing a job ?

Then there are those who think dialog is accusing some one with a reasonable but counter position as "putin troll".
Look at how close a poster adheres to the Schopenhauer Rules for winning an argument.
( which is a core differentiator: some here come for the dialog, some for winning an argument, for fun, as a job :-)
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Sat May 05, 2018 7:14 am

WIederling wrote:
seb146 wrote:
No, there is no solution.

I like the "joined X years ago" on profiles. SOMETIMES that shows who is a troll and who is not.

I suspect that some trolls are simply wanting to get a rise out of people so they can say "I knew your side was completely bonkers! You people can not be taken seriously because you are unhinged!"


I wouldn't be surprised if some of these well aged accounts that bloom into trolling haven't been taken over ( or were created as "sleeper accounts" some time back).
Also look at posting times: if some one solely posts local 9 to 5 it is doing a job ?

Then there are those who think dialog is accusing some one with a reasonable but counter position as "putin troll".
Look at how close a poster adheres to the Schopenhauer Rules for winning an argument.
( which is a core differentiator: some here come for the dialog, some for winning an argument, for fun, as a job :-)


I wonder how we can weed out the trolls and bots? I may not agree with everyone, but I really enjoyed before when I would be mentally challenged and thinking and researching things. Superfly was good for that.
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Sat May 05, 2018 8:19 am

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Superfly was good for that.

You'd probably be SHOCKED to interact with him now... gone through a complete personality and ideology change (rabid rightwing MAGA type).

Sad, but gives me an excuse to always give him crap about it when he's in town. :razz:
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Sat May 05, 2018 8:36 am

LAX772LR wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Superfly was good for that.

You'd probably be SHOCKED to interact with him now... gone through a complete personality and ideology change (rabid rightwing MAGA type).

Sad, but gives me an excuse to always give him crap about it when he's in town. :razz:


Honestly, that is too bad. I really looked up to him. As much as I disagreed with him, I always thought he was really intelligent.
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Sat May 05, 2018 9:03 am

seb146 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Superfly was good for that.

You'd probably be SHOCKED to interact with him now... gone through a complete personality and ideology change (rabid rightwing MAGA type).

Sad, but gives me an excuse to always give him crap about it when he's in town. :razz:


Honestly, that is too bad. I really looked up to him. As much as I disagreed with him, I always thought he was really intelligent.

He still chats on "that other" board from time to time, if you want to speak with him...
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Sat May 05, 2018 9:07 am

Many make some great points about trolling.

I would like to make a couple of points

As mentioned we used to have a one off membership fee for those who wished to post in the forums. This was dropped prior to the site upgrade and its been that way ever since. Despite numerous requests from us moderators to reinstate that the owners of the site have decided that it should remain free. Unfortunately charging all users to use the site is something out of out hands and we have to just have to deal with what we have got.

Post approvals - this was initially introduced during the site upgrade then they were dropped but in the end we had to reinstate due to a number of issues being spam, users with multiple accounts something that does happen from time to time when their primary account has been banned and trolling. Unfortunately as we only approve 2 posts its not always easy to pick up if a user is trolling particularly as a lot of new users will not make their posts straight away, somethimes its over days, weeks or even months. The purpose of the post approvals is to ensure background checks are done to ensure the user does not have any other accounts and to keep the spam off the site. Even though we do these checks the system is not full proof and some do slip through the cracks.

Trolling - Trolling seems to most prevalent in Civil Aviation more than any other forum. You have some users who will contribute to threads in constructive manner sometimes and other times will just troll to get a reaction from another user. Then you have those who delibrately try to cause trouble a lot of the time. If you are coming across anyone that you suspect is trolling just report it to us so we can look at it to review it and take the necessary action,as some users tend to fall for what trolls say and respond, instead just report it instead. I would just warn everyone that when you report posts dont expect us to ban someone straight away , unfortunately it doesnt work that way, just like any other deletion we do not ban or warn a user until there have been several violations of the same rule (unless it is something quite serious). Generally it will be a minimum of 3 times, sometimes more before we issue a warning, if it continues to happen after the warning then a ban is issued, bans normally start a 3 days and doubled there after (or around that), so they go 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month etc. In some instances we may skip a warning and go straight to a ban and depending on the violation it may not start at 3 days but it could start at 1 week or 1 month but generally they are issued as stated above. We do not just going out giving out bans or warnings without due process. We believe we should give every user the benefit of the doubt and a fair go to start with however if the same rules continue to be violated thats when those warnings and bans are issued.

Finally if you have any ideas how we better combat trolling we are always open for suggestions
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Sat May 05, 2018 10:32 am

falstaff wrote:
From what I have observed I have noticed to kinds of trolls. One is the "You need to get educated because you are one of the sheeple". That type is the kind that believes every conspiracy theory and no amount of discussion will change their mind about how educated they are. The other type of trolls is the "tough guy" who likes to argue with people or bully them, but in real life they aren't the kind to confront anyone.

I noticed something similar recently:
1.) pure, natural-born trolls
2.) people with good knowledge but just pretend to be a troll, kind of playing with us...

af773atmsp wrote:
Remember the days when non-aviation had threads about winning a girl over with a snow globe? Good times.

Yeah, this was great :-)

seb146 wrote:
I like the "joined X years ago" on profiles. SOMETIMES that shows who is a troll and who is not.

... plus when you saw the respected rating of a member whenever you responded.

I really think the RR and the information about when a member joined a.net really helped to improve the quality of the discussions. When I joined a.net I used to think twice before responding to a comment of a member with high RR...
 
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Sat May 05, 2018 11:13 am

qf789 wrote:
Finally if you have any ideas how we better combat trolling we are always open for suggestions


I've offered this advice before:

Look into how moderation and meta moderation is handled in the slashdot ( slashdot.org) forum engine.

https://slashdot.org/moderation.shtml
https://slashdot.org/faq/metamod.shtml

https://slashdot.org/story/99/09/07/155 ... moderation

Posting in a topic and also in parallel moderating that topic should be out of bounds anyway.
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Sat May 05, 2018 12:57 pm

What is the definition of a troll?

Someone that doesn't agree with you?
 
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Sat May 05, 2018 1:08 pm

Freakysh wrote:
What is the definition of a troll?

Someone that doesn't agree with you?


Internet Jargon File::Troll wrote:
troll

1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase “trolling for newbies” which in turn comes from mainstream “trolling”, a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT.

2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, “Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll.” Compare kook.

3. n. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.

Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.

The use of ‘troll’ in any of these senses is a live metaphor that readily produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not infrequently sees the warning “Do not feed the troll” as part of a followup to troll postings.

ref: http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/troll.html

Internet Jargon File::AstroTurfing wrote:
astroturfing: n.

1. The use of paid shills to create the impression of a popular movement, through means like letters to newspapers from soi-disant ‘concerned citizens’, paid opinion pieces, and the formation of grass-roots lobbying groups that are actually funded by a PR group (AstroTurf is fake grass; hence the term). See also sock puppet, tentacle.

2. What an individual posting to a public forum under an assumed name is said to be doing.

This term became common among hackers after it came to light in early 1998 that Microsoft had attempted to use such tactics to forestall the U.S. Department of Justice's antitrust action against the company. The maneuver backfired horribly, angering a number of state attorneys-general enough to induce them to go public with plans to join the Federal suit. It also set anybody defending Microsoft on the net for the accusation “You're just astroturfing!”.

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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Sat May 05, 2018 1:24 pm

Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand


There's plenty on this forum then....I argue with them all the time! :lol:
 
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Sat May 05, 2018 2:54 pm

Freakysh wrote:
Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand


There's plenty on this forum then....I argue with them all the time! :lol:


Einstein: Madness is "repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting different results"

don't know if that better fits trolls as such or the act of arguing with trolls :-)))
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Sat May 05, 2018 5:08 pm

af773atmsp wrote:
Remember the days when non-aviation had threads about winning a girl over with a snow globe? Good times.


Wow, I had forgot about that guy. That was a really fun thread. That poor kid would turn around and do the exact opposite of what everyone told him he should do. I hope he ended up happy.

That thread was actually addictive. Couldn't wait to see what he did next.
 
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Sat May 05, 2018 6:07 pm

Freakysh wrote:
What is the definition of a troll?

Someone that doesn't agree with you?


Exactly.

I just knew my leftist and socialist “friends” in his site would eventually put a thread up on this.

You know, nothing gets the liberal angst going like an opposing voice. An opposing viewpoint. A modern liberal, unlike a classical liberal seeks to shut down an argument, tries to suppress, and tries to intimidate a person or viewpoint he/she/it disagrees with. It happens frequently on college campuses for example, where conservative voices are silenced or given the “heckler’s veto” and even physically threatened.

So yes, the liberal majority on this board is crying about trolling when they should be concerned about the quality of their arguments or the persuasiveness of their viewpoints.

It never ceases to amaze me how even one or two lonely voices of conservatism is enough to drive liberals wild with fury. It’s so predictable and so pathetic.

So quit your ideological crocodile tears, get up and fight your viewpoints without seeking to censure other viewpoints in the name of nonexistent trolling.

Everyone can see through this charade.
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Mon May 07, 2018 10:12 pm

This is funny, a lot of trolls on this post about trolls, ahh denial is alive and well
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Mon May 07, 2018 10:40 pm

HI442ct wrote:
This is funny, a lot of trolls on this post about trolls, ahh denial is alive and well


Or perhaps they're......trolling you.

A pretty pathetic bunch of losers if you ask me.
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Tue May 08, 2018 2:07 am

HI442ct wrote:
This is funny, a lot of trolls on this post about trolls, ahh denial is alive and well


What I was thinking. But looking back in this thread, Weiderling deserves a compliment, I have not noticed the usual mindless US-bashing in every post for some time. He now comes across much more readable and worth the time, and no longer on my ignore list. Bravo.

But somebody really needs to define "troll".
 
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Tue May 08, 2018 2:17 am

mham001 wrote:
HI442ct wrote:
This is funny, a lot of trolls on this post about trolls, ahh denial is alive and well


What I was thinking. But looking back in this thread, Weiderling deserves a compliment, I have not noticed the usual mindless US-bashing in every post for some time. He now comes across much more readable and worth the time, and no longer on my ignore list. Bravo.

But somebody really needs to define "troll".


I actually didn't name anyone in particular, I don't consider the mentioned poster as a troller, but more of a bitter poster, but that's how it is.
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Tue May 08, 2018 2:22 am

CCGPV wrote:
HI442ct wrote:
This is funny, a lot of trolls on this post about trolls, ahh denial is alive and well


Or perhaps they're......trolling you.

A pretty pathetic bunch of losers if you ask me.


Actually it should read perhaps YOU are trolling me. Wouldn't go as far a calling anyone a loser, but you seem to have no trouble calling them losers.
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Tue May 08, 2018 3:19 am

Tugger wrote:
Simple question and I think it applies here as much as anywhere nowadays across teh internets....

Why do people love trolling? Why do some many on the internet and a few particular people on this site so love to just troll topics, groups, and people? It happens a lot as we all know and disrupts threads or sites etc. Often these people start a thread and then disappear while the thread rumbles along only to reappear from time to time to push it along, keep it going by saying the same thing over again or some outrageous (often unsubstantiated or made up) thing.

And then there are those (and yes I am one too sometimes) that absolutely must respond and even get into debates with the people, the topic even though no one really agrees. I do know the feeling, I want to respond. And when others are responding and I think I can make the point better.... ohhh i just itch to respond. And sometimes I give in and do. But nowadays when I see threads or replies by certain people I know better and normally just ignore things.

This is a fairly decent scale problem on the internet, the anonymity of it allows morons to really be extreme morons and allow hostile and sometimes vulgar people to put trash out there and basically sit back and enjoy the havok they create. They are basically useless people but this is what they enjoy.

And then there are the troll farms, both state backed but often just hobby-groups that enjoy things like this.

Is there any solution? I suspect no but who knows.

Tugg


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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Tue May 08, 2018 3:49 am

HI442ct wrote:
CCGPV wrote:
HI442ct wrote:
This is funny, a lot of trolls on this post about trolls, ahh denial is alive and well


Or perhaps they're......trolling you.

A pretty pathetic bunch of losers if you ask me.


Actually it should read perhaps YOU are trolling me. Wouldn't go as far a calling anyone a loser, but you seem to have no trouble calling them losers.
I'm sure you'll sleep well tonight


Why would someone lose sleep over calling someone a name?

MikeDrop wrote:
"Would You Hit It" threads back in the day. Sadly those are no more. Anyway, I always liked how the aviation boards were for serious aviation discussions and the non-aviation board was a total free for all. It would be a shame to see it become something less just because the majority doesn't like hearing differing opinions.

Cheers


Is there something stopping anyone from starting one? Serious question... They make a new rule or something?

Anyway, I liked the WYHI threads at first, when they were actual questions about midlevel or borderline women. But after a while, it got a little silly. Keep posting pictures of models, hoping some troll will compare them to Susan Sarandon or something.
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Tue May 08, 2018 4:18 am

DarkSnowyNight wrote:
HI442ct wrote:
CCGPV wrote:

Or perhaps they're......trolling you.

A pretty pathetic bunch of losers if you ask me.


Actually it should read perhaps YOU are trolling me. Wouldn't go as far a calling anyone a loser, but you seem to have no trouble calling them losers.
I'm sure you'll sleep well tonight


Why would someone lose sleep over calling someone a name?

MikeDrop wrote:
"Would You Hit It" threads back in the day. Sadly those are no more. Anyway, I always liked how the aviation boards were for serious aviation discussions and the non-aviation board was a total free for all. It would be a shame to see it become something less just because the majority doesn't like hearing differing opinions.

Cheers


Is there something stopping anyone from starting one? Serious question... They make a new rule or something

Ok well don't have a good night sleep then, there does that make you feel better?
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Tue May 08, 2018 4:27 am

HI442ct wrote:
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Ok well don't have a good night sleep then, there does that make you feel better?
...


Ok, so those are just carelessly arranged words that don't actually mean anything. So, ah, nevermind, I guess?
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Tue May 08, 2018 5:53 am

When I think forum troll I immediately think of SpyHunter.

Although I kind of swing between thinking he's a troll who's trying too hard or actually just extremely delusional and believes all the crap he spouts.
 
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Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

Tue May 08, 2018 6:24 am

BlueberryWheats wrote:
When I think forum troll I immediately think of SpyHunter.

Although I kind of swing between thinking he's a troll who's trying too hard or actually just extremely delusional and believes all the crap he spouts.



Doesn't he do really great trip reports, or is that someone else I'm thinking of?
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