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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:31 pm

There was reason to believe that Putin wanted the EU sufficiently weakened, NATO severely compromised, and major US allies around the world split from the US. He is succeeding.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:34 pm

seb146 wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:
777222LR wrote:
This is honestly awful. Here I saw the world as getting closer, more civil, then bring in Trump, and I lose all faith in American humanity. We are in a dictatorship, because let's be honest, this only serves his mind. He consults no one. Congrats republicans, you elected a king. We saw all of this coming, and it will continue until we are nothing. Every effing day is, "What has he gone and done now?"

I don't have any issue with your dislike of President Trump, but, please, drop the "we are in a dictatorship " crap. We are not even close to that and it honestly sounds foolish. When John McCain voted with the democrats in the Senate to continue Obamacare it handed Presiddnt Trump a defeat on a central policy agenda. If Trump were trying to be a dictator he would have arrested McCain, and the democrats who voted against him. Calling this a dictatorship is just dramatic bull shit.


I know you righties hate any negative reports about dear leader or any schools but

http://www.newsweek.com/harvard-politic ... acy-778425

And any reports that show him in a negative light are IMMEDIATELY called fake. Anyone who voices an opinion against dear leader are called fake. Calling immigrants dogs (didn't another dictator call Jews animals?) And you righties eat it up.


This is just misdirection on your part. The poster lamented living in a dictatorship. This is factually incorrect and it is quite easy to prove the it is incorrect. And, yes, it is FAKE.

Calling President Trump a dictator is just foolish. You defending the statement is doubly so.

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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:50 pm

CCGPV wrote:
Zero has changed with the way the US government functions. Stop being dramatic.


Pay more attention.

CCGPV wrote:
American "credibility" will rebound instantly when the next Democrat is elected. We saw it with Obama. The world embraced and loved him and awarded him prizes before even taking office. Its all theater.


It'll come back somewhat. But it'll take a while for it to get back to where it was, if it ever does. Everyone else will have to guard against the possibility that the US could elect another Trump at some point down the road. And the world isn't waiting for the US to get its act together. Other partnerships are being forged in place of the partnerships with the US, and whoever comes after Trump will find themselves on the outside looking in, with a lot of work to do to get in.

CCGPV wrote:
And the American economy will be just fine. Everyone predicted a collapse when he was elected and look where we are now (they'll say all Obama's doing) and the second the next correction or recession happens it will 100% be blamed on Trump. Its all a game.


If you don't think trade wars are going to have a negative effect on the economy...I don't know what to tell you.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:09 pm

Mir wrote:
CCGPV wrote:
Zero has changed with the way the US government functions. Stop being dramatic.


Pay more attention.

CCGPV wrote:
American "credibility" will rebound instantly when the next Democrat is elected. We saw it with Obama. The world embraced and loved him and awarded him prizes before even taking office. Its all theater.


It'll come back somewhat. But it'll take a while for it to get back to where it was, if it ever does. Everyone else will have to guard against the possibility that the US could elect another Trump at some point down the road. And the world isn't waiting for the US to get its act together. Other partnerships are being forged in place of the partnerships with the US, and whoever comes after Trump will find themselves on the outside looking in, with a lot of work to do to get in.

CCGPV wrote:
And the American economy will be just fine. Everyone predicted a collapse when he was elected and look where we are now (they'll say all Obama's doing) and the second the next correction or recession happens it will 100% be blamed on Trump. Its all a game.


If you don't think trade wars are going to have a negative effect on the economy...I don't know what to tell you.


How has the fundamental operations of the US government been changed? Did we abolish the courts or change Congress? If you're talking about procedures then yeah, but that happens all the time.

Who cares about our global standing anyway? Everyone already hates us and thinks we're pieces of shit. Why are they so concerned about us losing grip if they've been wanting this for decades. Let Europe and China lead. Its what they've always wanted. They should be thankful we're "no longer relevant." This is what America taking a step back looks like. Just like Brexit...you can't say stop being a dickhead and then dictate the terms of us walking away too.

And with the "trade wars" we will see. And they're not really trade wars. They are small negotiating tactics that will be very temporary. Look at what China did last week. They've started to ease certain policies. Ya'll need to chill out. The American economy and government is way stronger and more stable that you give it credit for.

For all this "insanity" going around things are looking pretty darn good for most people. I look around and all I see are "now hiring" signs and businesses building and expanding like crazy. What a nightmare!!
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:51 pm

CCGPV wrote:
For all this "insanity" going around things are looking pretty darn good for most people. I look around and all I see are "now hiring" signs and businesses building and expanding like crazy. What a nightmare!!


The real agenda of the left is starting to become clear: "Bill Maher said Friday that he is "hoping" for the bottom to fall out of the economy and for the country to enter a recession so we can "get rid of Trump."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ssion.html

This is how these people really feel. They cannot come to terms that their beliefs and word view are bad for America. After months of:
"RUSSIA! RUSSIA! oh that didn't work, HE's BROKE, HE's BROKE, oh that didn't work, HE's TAKING BRIBES, HE's TAKING BRIBES, oh that didn't work, HE's GOING TO BLOW UP THE WORLD!, oh that didn't work, PORN STARS! PORN STARS!, oh that didn't work,back to RUSSIA! RUSSIA, oh that didn't work,

No they are just admitting that none of it matters, and they are willing to destroy the economy to defeat him.

SAD!, and LOW ENERGY!

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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:01 pm

MikeDrop wrote:
CCGPV wrote:
For all this "insanity" going around things are looking pretty darn good for most people. I look around and all I see are "now hiring" signs and businesses building and expanding like crazy. What a nightmare!!


The real agenda of the left is starting to become clear: "Bill Maher said Friday that he is "hoping" for the bottom to fall out of the economy and for the country to enter a recession so we can "get rid of Trump."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ssion.html

This is how these people really feel. They cannot come to terms that their beliefs and word view are bad for America. After months of:
"RUSSIA! RUSSIA! oh that didn't work, HE's BROKE, HE's BROKE, oh that didn't work, HE's TAKING BRIBES, HE's TAKING BRIBES, oh that didn't work, HE's GOING TO BLOW UP THE WORLD!, oh that didn't work, PORN STARS! PORN STARS!, oh that didn't work,back to RUSSIA! RUSSIA, oh that didn't work,

No they are just admitting that none of it matters, and they are willing to destroy the economy to defeat him.

SAD!, and LOW ENERGY!

Milke Drop


I mean you have a point but being a dick about it doesn't help. He can be helpful for the economy AND be involved in some shady dealings with Russia or whoever.

And just like there are some absolute nutjob republicans there's some crazy democrats. We can't lump all of them on either side into that camp.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:12 pm

MikeDrop wrote:
The real agenda of the left is starting to become clear: "Bill Maher said Friday that he is "hoping" for the bottom to fall out of the economy and for the country to enter a recession so we can "get rid of Trump."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ssion.html

This is how these people really feel. They cannot come to terms that their beliefs and word view are bad for America. After months of:
"RUSSIA! RUSSIA! oh that didn't work, HE's BROKE, HE's BROKE, oh that didn't work, HE's TAKING BRIBES, HE's TAKING BRIBES, oh that didn't work, HE's GOING TO BLOW UP THE WORLD!, oh that didn't work, PORN STARS! PORN STARS!, oh that didn't work,back to RUSSIA! RUSSIA, oh that didn't work,

No they are just admitting that none of it matters, and they are willing to destroy the economy to defeat him.

SAD!, and LOW ENERGY!

Milke Drop


What did Trump actually achieved and how has he helped the blue color white male worker who voted for him en mass?
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:21 pm

CCGPV wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:
CCGPV wrote:
For all this "insanity" going around things are looking pretty darn good for most people. I look around and all I see are "now hiring" signs and businesses building and expanding like crazy. What a nightmare!!


The real agenda of the left is starting to become clear: "Bill Maher said Friday that he is "hoping" for the bottom to fall out of the economy and for the country to enter a recession so we can "get rid of Trump."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ssion.html

This is how these people really feel. They cannot come to terms that their beliefs and word view are bad for America. After months of:
"RUSSIA! RUSSIA! oh that didn't work, HE's BROKE, HE's BROKE, oh that didn't work, HE's TAKING BRIBES, HE's TAKING BRIBES, oh that didn't work, HE's GOING TO BLOW UP THE WORLD!, oh that didn't work, PORN STARS! PORN STARS!, oh that didn't work,back to RUSSIA! RUSSIA, oh that didn't work,

No they are just admitting that none of it matters, and they are willing to destroy the economy to defeat him.

SAD!, and LOW ENERGY!

Milke Drop


I mean you have a point but being a dick about it doesn't help. He can be helpful for the economy AND be involved in some shady dealings with Russia or whoever.

And just like there are some absolute nutjob republicans there's some crazy democrats. We can't lump all of them on either side into that camp.


LOL - You might have a point, if one is willing to ignore the last 19 months of extreme partisanship and insanity from the left. Seriously, are you telling me that you don't remember the death threats that were made towards the Trump electors before the election was finalized? You don't remember the calls for impeachment, BEFORE Trump was inaugurated - and constantly since? Or all Trump voters being called racists by Van Jones on CNN the night of the election (he called it a "white-lash" if I remember correctly) - even though there wasn't a minority on the ballot? And the DNC colluding with the FBI to try to slime Trump with the fake Russian dossier? I cant wait for the DOJ IG to come out on June 14th. the left is going to have some 'splanin to do I think.

Anyway, none of that even registers with you? How about the mass assassination attempt on the Republican Congressmen at a baseball practice? No? You don't remember any of that? The violent antifa attacks on Republicans at rallies? No, don't remember? What about the 2 or three day coverage on CNN on the amount of Diet Coke that the President drinks a day? How about when the New York Times tried to stir up racial tensions by tweeting that Trump had removed MKL Jr's bust from the oval office - turned out to be a TOTAL LIE. This list would be very long indeed, but I think you get my point. What is "being a dick" as you say, is whining that "we live in a dictatorship" just because you dont agree with the policies of the current administration.

We are way beyond any civility in this country - the left doesn't consider Republicans to be Americans any more. We are just enemies to be defeated.

So go ahead and call me a dick. It means absolutely nothing to me.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:24 pm

Dutchy wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:
The real agenda of the left is starting to become clear: "Bill Maher said Friday that he is "hoping" for the bottom to fall out of the economy and for the country to enter a recession so we can "get rid of Trump."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ssion.html

This is how these people really feel. They cannot come to terms that their beliefs and word view are bad for America. After months of:
"RUSSIA! RUSSIA! oh that didn't work, HE's BROKE, HE's BROKE, oh that didn't work, HE's TAKING BRIBES, HE's TAKING BRIBES, oh that didn't work, HE's GOING TO BLOW UP THE WORLD!, oh that didn't work, PORN STARS! PORN STARS!, oh that didn't work,back to RUSSIA! RUSSIA, oh that didn't work,

No they are just admitting that none of it matters, and they are willing to destroy the economy to defeat him.

SAD!, and LOW ENERGY!

Milke Drop


What did Trump actually achieved and how has he helped the blue color white male worker who voted for him en mass?


Why does it matter? You think that cheering for the economy to crash is the answer? The article is not about assigning credit for the good economy, it is about people on the left rooting for it to crash so they can assign the blame for it to Trump. Totally unAmerican
 
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:30 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
aviationaware wrote:
By doing that, Trump tossed the ball to the other G7 countries, and they clearly didn't like the idea of free trade. That's good to know. To anyone with a brain, it was the EU countries and Canada who crashed the G7 summit, not Trump. To the news media, of course it was Trump. This is no surprise.

I'm confused. If it's Trump who is for free trade and not the G7, why is Trump the one putting up tariffs in the first place? Tariffs and free trade don't mix, you know. That's why it's called FREE.


To even the playing ground and make it fairer. Either reciprocity wrt tariffs, or coordinated removal or tariffs. The current situation is a middle ground where US companies pay higher tariffs than European companies do. Trump has made very clear that this is over. That's a conclusive position that makes all the sense in the world. No cake problem at all.
 
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:32 pm

aviationaware wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
aviationaware wrote:
By doing that, Trump tossed the ball to the other G7 countries, and they clearly didn't like the idea of free trade. That's good to know. To anyone with a brain, it was the EU countries and Canada who crashed the G7 summit, not Trump. To the news media, of course it was Trump. This is no surprise.

I'm confused. If it's Trump who is for free trade and not the G7, why is Trump the one putting up tariffs in the first place? Tariffs and free trade don't mix, you know. That's why it's called FREE.


To even the playing ground and make it fairer. Either reciprocity wrt tariffs, or coordinated removal or tariffs. The current situation is a middle ground where US companies pay higher tariffs than European companies do. Trump has made very clear that this is over. That's a conclusive position that makes all the sense in the world. No cake problem at all.


But is that actually true? The US walked away from TTIP. I can't prove it because I didn't research it, but an educated guess is that these trade deals and tariffs even out between the EU and USA. If you have other information, please share.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:36 pm

aviationaware wrote:
Well the news were predictable. In real news, the US has fewer tariffs than the other G7 countries. Trump made an excellent suggestion for a tariff free G7 zone as he left. That would be beneficial for all, as the G7 are on a similar level of prosperity and there is little potential to export labor to cheaper havens within such a zone.

By doing that, Trump tossed the ball to the other G7 countries, and they clearly didn't like the idea of free trade. That's good to know. To anyone with a brain, it was the EU countries and Canada who crashed the G7 summit, not Trump. To the news media, of course it was Trump. This is no surprise.


He went there saying in advance he wasn't going to sign on the dotted lines. Arrived late, left early. But of course he had nothing to do with the end result.

As for free trade, Trump doesn't honor the treaties the US is in, and changes his mind about what he wants several times a day, how can anything be negotiated with him ? If such a free trade zone somehow existed, US steel would still be at a disadvantage against Canadian and EU steel in some markets (specialty steel etc.), wouldn't it ? Are we to believe he wouldn't do what he's doing right now, levy tariffs on us ?

Besides there is no way a free trade zone can be agreed between G7 members if environmental protection isn't part of it, and Trump doesn't care about the environment, so that's a non starter.

Trump has red lines and thinks we're going to cross ours to meet his, watch how that ain't happening.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:37 pm

MikeDrop wrote:
CCGPV wrote:
For all this "insanity" going around things are looking pretty darn good for most people. I look around and all I see are "now hiring" signs and businesses building and expanding like crazy. What a nightmare!!


The real agenda of the left is starting to become clear: "Bill Maher said Friday that he is "hoping" for the bottom to fall out of the economy and for the country to enter a recession so we can "get rid of Trump."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ssion.html

This is how these people really feel. They cannot come to terms that their beliefs and word view are bad for America. After months of:
"RUSSIA! RUSSIA! oh that didn't work, HE's BROKE, HE's BROKE, oh that didn't work, HE's TAKING BRIBES, HE's TAKING BRIBES, oh that didn't work, HE's GOING TO BLOW UP THE WORLD!, oh that didn't work, PORN STARS! PORN STARS!, oh that didn't work,back to RUSSIA! RUSSIA, oh that didn't work,

No they are just admitting that none of it matters, and they are willing to destroy the economy to defeat him.

SAD!, and LOW ENERGY!

Milke Drop


Republicans putting party ahead of country brought us to this. Blame Democrats all you want, but it is Republicans doing this. There is solid and mounting evidence that Russia helped get tRump into office and he willingly worked with them to do it. Republicans do not want to impeach him because party before country. Keeping Republicans in power is more important than the general welfare and security of this nation. Unfortunately, Bill Maher is correct. It will take the economy collapsing for tRump to be replaced. Even that will not lose his base. You all will still blame Obama, Hillary, and Democrats.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:42 pm

MikeDrop wrote:
CCGPV wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:

The real agenda of the left is starting to become clear: "Bill Maher said Friday that he is "hoping" for the bottom to fall out of the economy and for the country to enter a recession so we can "get rid of Trump."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ssion.html

This is how these people really feel. They cannot come to terms that their beliefs and word view are bad for America. After months of:
"RUSSIA! RUSSIA! oh that didn't work, HE's BROKE, HE's BROKE, oh that didn't work, HE's TAKING BRIBES, HE's TAKING BRIBES, oh that didn't work, HE's GOING TO BLOW UP THE WORLD!, oh that didn't work, PORN STARS! PORN STARS!, oh that didn't work,back to RUSSIA! RUSSIA, oh that didn't work,

No they are just admitting that none of it matters, and they are willing to destroy the economy to defeat him.

SAD!, and LOW ENERGY!

Milke Drop


I mean you have a point but being a dick about it doesn't help. He can be helpful for the economy AND be involved in some shady dealings with Russia or whoever.

And just like there are some absolute nutjob republicans there's some crazy democrats. We can't lump all of them on either side into that camp.


LOL - You might have a point, if one is willing to ignore the last 19 months of extreme partisanship and insanity from the left. Seriously, are you telling me that you don't remember the death threats that were made towards the Trump electors before the election was finalized? You don't remember the calls for impeachment, BEFORE Trump was inaugurated - and constantly since? Or all Trump voters being called racists by Van Jones on CNN the night of the election (he called it a "white-lash" if I remember correctly) - even though there wasn't a minority on the ballot? And the DNC colluding with the FBI to try to slime Trump with the fake Russian dossier? I cant wait for the DOJ IG to come out on June 14th. the left is going to have some 'splanin to do I think.

Anyway, none of that even registers with you? How about the mass assassination attempt on the Republican Congressmen at a baseball practice? No? You don't remember any of that? The violent antifa attacks on Republicans at rallies? No, don't remember? What about the 2 or three day coverage on CNN on the amount of Diet Coke that the President drinks a day? How about when the New York Times tried to stir up racial tensions by tweeting that Trump had removed MKL Jr's bust from the oval office - turned out to be a TOTAL LIE. This list would be very long indeed, but I think you get my point. What is "being a dick" as you say, is whining that "we live in a dictatorship" just because you dont agree with the policies of the current administration.

We are way beyond any civility in this country - the left doesn't consider Republicans to be Americans any more. We are just enemies to be defeated.

So go ahead and call me a dick. It means absolutely nothing to me.


Yes I remember all of those things. They suck. The Right did the same thing with Obama and it was equally stupid.

What I'm getting at is do you want to do the same thing they did or do you want to be the better person and party and be above those things? If not then keep doing what you're doing and play in the gutter with them. People will continue to ignore what you say and just be as partisan and petty as ever.

And I know it means nothing to you because this is the internet and not real life. The attention is what we crave.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:44 pm

seb146 wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:
CCGPV wrote:
For all this "insanity" going around things are looking pretty darn good for most people. I look around and all I see are "now hiring" signs and businesses building and expanding like crazy. What a nightmare!!


The real agenda of the left is starting to become clear: "Bill Maher said Friday that he is "hoping" for the bottom to fall out of the economy and for the country to enter a recession so we can "get rid of Trump."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ssion.html

This is how these people really feel. They cannot come to terms that their beliefs and word view are bad for America. After months of:
"RUSSIA! RUSSIA! oh that didn't work, HE's BROKE, HE's BROKE, oh that didn't work, HE's TAKING BRIBES, HE's TAKING BRIBES, oh that didn't work, HE's GOING TO BLOW UP THE WORLD!, oh that didn't work, PORN STARS! PORN STARS!, oh that didn't work,back to RUSSIA! RUSSIA, oh that didn't work,

No they are just admitting that none of it matters, and they are willing to destroy the economy to defeat him.

SAD!, and LOW ENERGY!

Milke Drop


Republicans putting party ahead of country brought us to this. Blame Democrats all you want, but it is Republicans doing this. There is solid and mounting evidence that Russia helped get tRump into office and he willingly worked with them to do it. Republicans do not want to impeach him because party before country. Keeping Republicans in power is more important than the general welfare and security of this nation. Unfortunately, Bill Maher is correct. It will take the economy collapsing for tRump to be replaced. Even that will not lose his base. You all will still blame Obama, Hillary, and Democrats.


So the same exact thing you just did? Its all republicans bla bla bla.

Partisan hacks the both of you.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:47 pm

MikeDrop wrote:
LOL - You might have a point, if one is willing to ignore the last 19 months of extreme partisanship and insanity from the left.


What about the eight years before that from the right? That was patriotic and saving the republic when the right did it. Why is it "insanity" when the left does it?

Seriously, are you telling me that you don't remember the death threats that were made towards the Trump electors before the election was finalized?


Links, please

You don't remember the calls for impeachment, BEFORE Trump was inaugurated - and constantly since?


BECAUSE THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT HE HELPED RUSSIA MEDDLE IN OUR ELECTIONS!! What is sadder is that you all do not care.

Or all Trump voters being called racists by Van Jones on CNN the night of the election (he called it a "white-lash" if I remember correctly) - even though there wasn't a minority on the ballot?


Charlottesville "fine people" and the actual Nazis and KKK leaders who took every opportunity on Fox infotainment to endorse tRump and Republicans?

BTW:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... 9a1b5f0d7d

Van Jones called (and this is important) SOME tRump voters racist. You think and imply he said all but he actually said some. Which is true.

And the DNC colluding with the FBI to try to slime Trump with the fake Russian dossier?


Where is your proof that it is fake? That REPUBLICAN appointed FBI directors found evidence of this? Oh, but wait.... he was fired, so he was obviously a "liberal" and plant by Hillary, right?

I cant wait for the DOJ IG to come out on June 14th. the left is going to have some 'splanin to do I think.


And WHEN it is proven to you and your lying eyes that things actually did happen, I guarantee you all will be blaming Hillary, Democrats, Obama, and "fake news" over it instead of taking personal responsibility for electing a Russian plant.

As I edited down, I saw the word "antifa" which is code for "anyone who rallies against KKK, Nazis, and general white supremacy." So, all your above points have to be taken with that in mind.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:51 pm

Aesma wrote:
aviationaware wrote:
Well the news were predictable. In real news, the US has fewer tariffs than the other G7 countries. Trump made an excellent suggestion for a tariff free G7 zone as he left. That would be beneficial for all, as the G7 are on a similar level of prosperity and there is little potential to export labor to cheaper havens within such a zone.

By doing that, Trump tossed the ball to the other G7 countries, and they clearly didn't like the idea of free trade. That's good to know. To anyone with a brain, it was the EU countries and Canada who crashed the G7 summit, not Trump. To the news media, of course it was Trump. This is no surprise.


He went there saying in advance he wasn't going to sign on the dotted lines. Arrived late, left early. But of course he had nothing to do with the end result.

As for free trade, Trump doesn't honor the treaties the US is in, and changes his mind about what he wants several times a day, how can anything be negotiated with him ? If such a free trade zone somehow existed, US steel would still be at a disadvantage against Canadian and EU steel in some markets (specialty steel etc.), wouldn't it ? Are we to believe he wouldn't do what he's doing right now, levy tariffs on us ?

Besides there is no way a free trade zone can be agreed between G7 members if environmental protection isn't part of it, and Trump doesn't care about the environment, so that's a non starter.

Trump has red lines and thinks we're going to cross ours to meet his, watch how that ain't happening.


Trump is ignoring some "treaties" because they aren't treaties. They were executive orders signed by Obama without the involvement of Congress. Congress wrote letters to Iran when this was going down years ago saying the moment they are able to they will rescind the deal and Obama and Iran ignored them. They kept their word and now we are out. This is not out of left field- it was a part of the election. He campaigned for this from day one. This is what happens when a president acts unilaterally without the consent of Congress. Trumps agreements and orders will suffer the same fate.

Real, actual ratified treaties are still being followed to the text of the agreements.

If Europe is going to move on without us why are they so upset and worried? Go on and do you thing. This is what ya'll have been fighting for and dreaming about for years. Let us suffer and you continue to have tepid economic growth.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:53 pm

CCGPV wrote:
seb146 wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:

The real agenda of the left is starting to become clear: "Bill Maher said Friday that he is "hoping" for the bottom to fall out of the economy and for the country to enter a recession so we can "get rid of Trump."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ssion.html

This is how these people really feel. They cannot come to terms that their beliefs and word view are bad for America. After months of:
"RUSSIA! RUSSIA! oh that didn't work, HE's BROKE, HE's BROKE, oh that didn't work, HE's TAKING BRIBES, HE's TAKING BRIBES, oh that didn't work, HE's GOING TO BLOW UP THE WORLD!, oh that didn't work, PORN STARS! PORN STARS!, oh that didn't work,back to RUSSIA! RUSSIA, oh that didn't work,

No they are just admitting that none of it matters, and they are willing to destroy the economy to defeat him.

SAD!, and LOW ENERGY!

Milke Drop


Republicans putting party ahead of country brought us to this. Blame Democrats all you want, but it is Republicans doing this. There is solid and mounting evidence that Russia helped get tRump into office and he willingly worked with them to do it. Republicans do not want to impeach him because party before country. Keeping Republicans in power is more important than the general welfare and security of this nation. Unfortunately, Bill Maher is correct. It will take the economy collapsing for tRump to be replaced. Even that will not lose his base. You all will still blame Obama, Hillary, and Democrats.


So the same exact thing you just did? Its all republicans bla bla bla.

Partisan hacks the both of you.


Thank you. I should clarify. Republicans in Congress are not willing to impeach him. There are Republican voters who do. It is Republicans in Congress who are putting party ahead of country. Because, if they speak out against right wing Republicans and/or tRump, they are slammed in the media as "liberal" or RINO.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:59 pm

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Aesma wrote:
aviationaware wrote:
Well the news were predictable. In real news, the US has fewer tariffs than the other G7 countries. Trump made an excellent suggestion for a tariff free G7 zone as he left. That would be beneficial for all, as the G7 are on a similar level of prosperity and there is little potential to export labor to cheaper havens within such a zone.

By doing that, Trump tossed the ball to the other G7 countries, and they clearly didn't like the idea of free trade. That's good to know. To anyone with a brain, it was the EU countries and Canada who crashed the G7 summit, not Trump. To the news media, of course it was Trump. This is no surprise.


He went there saying in advance he wasn't going to sign on the dotted lines. Arrived late, left early. But of course he had nothing to do with the end result.

As for free trade, Trump doesn't honor the treaties the US is in, and changes his mind about what he wants several times a day, how can anything be negotiated with him ? If such a free trade zone somehow existed, US steel would still be at a disadvantage against Canadian and EU steel in some markets (specialty steel etc.), wouldn't it ? Are we to believe he wouldn't do what he's doing right now, levy tariffs on us ?

Besides there is no way a free trade zone can be agreed between G7 members if environmental protection isn't part of it, and Trump doesn't care about the environment, so that's a non starter.

Trump has red lines and thinks we're going to cross ours to meet his, watch how that ain't happening.


Trump is ignoring some "treaties" because they aren't treaties. They were executive orders signed by Obama without the involvement of Congress. Congress wrote letters to Iran when this was going down years ago saying the moment they are able to they will rescind the deal and Obama and Iran ignored them. They kept their word and now we are out. This is not out of left field- it was a part of the election. He campaigned for this from day one. This is what happens when a president acts unilaterally without the consent of Congress. Trumps agreements and orders will suffer the same fate.

Real, actual ratified treaties are still being followed to the text of the agreements.

If Europe is going to move on without us why are they so upset and worried? Go on and do you thing. This is what ya'll have been fighting for and dreaming about for years. Let us suffer and you continue to have tepid economic growth.


I would rather have "tepid economic growth" than a complete economic melt down. And, with trade between EU and Middle East heating up, the United States will be left out. But, thank goodness jobs are secure in China and DPRK!

Also, countries will not want to negotiate anything with us much after this. After seeing how disrespectful tRump has been to the world, why would anyone want to negotiate anything with the United States?

I find it interesting that, after the "Axis Of Evil" speech GWB gave, his administration really did not do much, militarily, against either DPRK or Iran. There was a lot of talk and diplomacy.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:02 pm

seb146 wrote:
CCGPV wrote:
seb146 wrote:

Republicans putting party ahead of country brought us to this. Blame Democrats all you want, but it is Republicans doing this. There is solid and mounting evidence that Russia helped get tRump into office and he willingly worked with them to do it. Republicans do not want to impeach him because party before country. Keeping Republicans in power is more important than the general welfare and security of this nation. Unfortunately, Bill Maher is correct. It will take the economy collapsing for tRump to be replaced. Even that will not lose his base. You all will still blame Obama, Hillary, and Democrats.


So the same exact thing you just did? Its all republicans bla bla bla.

Partisan hacks the both of you.


Thank you. I should clarify. Republicans in Congress are not willing to impeach him. There are Republican voters who do. It is Republicans in Congress who are putting party ahead of country. Because, if they speak out against right wing Republicans and/or tRump, they are slammed in the media as "liberal" or RINO.


Well yeah, any party would protect their President when there's not been a trial or conviction. If your entire career and legislative agenda is on the line you're going to protect that. Every congressman would do the same regardless of party.

If the investigation results in charges or enough damming evidence against Trump or his campaign then we will see some action. So far there has been no evidence released by the Special Prosecutor in this regard. Zero. The charges levied against people so far have had nothing to do with the 2016 election. Its very shady but until we see actual evidence and charges against Trump the Republicans would be shirking their responsibility by not enacting their legislative agenda.

People love to ignore the law when it suits them. Not me.We have to let the legal system work before we convict or impeach. We're outraged when it happens to innocent black people and we should be outraged when it happens to a politician. We must let the system work.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:11 pm

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CCGPV wrote:
Aesma wrote:

He went there saying in advance he wasn't going to sign on the dotted lines. Arrived late, left early. But of course he had nothing to do with the end result.

As for free trade, Trump doesn't honor the treaties the US is in, and changes his mind about what he wants several times a day, how can anything be negotiated with him ? If such a free trade zone somehow existed, US steel would still be at a disadvantage against Canadian and EU steel in some markets (specialty steel etc.), wouldn't it ? Are we to believe he wouldn't do what he's doing right now, levy tariffs on us ?

Besides there is no way a free trade zone can be agreed between G7 members if environmental protection isn't part of it, and Trump doesn't care about the environment, so that's a non starter.

Trump has red lines and thinks we're going to cross ours to meet his, watch how that ain't happening.


Trump is ignoring some "treaties" because they aren't treaties. They were executive orders signed by Obama without the involvement of Congress. Congress wrote letters to Iran when this was going down years ago saying the moment they are able to they will rescind the deal and Obama and Iran ignored them. They kept their word and now we are out. This is not out of left field- it was a part of the election. He campaigned for this from day one. This is what happens when a president acts unilaterally without the consent of Congress. Trumps agreements and orders will suffer the same fate.

Real, actual ratified treaties are still being followed to the text of the agreements.

If Europe is going to move on without us why are they so upset and worried? Go on and do you thing. This is what ya'll have been fighting for and dreaming about for years. Let us suffer and you continue to have tepid economic growth.


I would rather have "tepid economic growth" than a complete economic melt down. And, with trade between EU and Middle East heating up, the United States will be left out. But, thank goodness jobs are secure in China and DPRK!

Also, countries will not want to negotiate anything with us much after this. After seeing how disrespectful tRump has been to the world, why would anyone want to negotiate anything with the United States?

I find it interesting that, after the "Axis Of Evil" speech GWB gave, his administration really did not do much, militarily, against either DPRK or Iran. There was a lot of talk and diplomacy.


We're not going to have a meltdown because of Trump. Its always many factors that lead to a correction or a recession. Historically we're "due" for one anyway. Most experts agree that we're on strong footing for growth in the near and medium future.

The USA will never be "left out" of global trade. Our economy is at a scale and reach that its impossible. The people who actually trade and are involved with huge business contracts are loving this. They don't give a damn about someone being "rude." There's money to be made. There's a reason we have the biggest economy- everyone wants to trade with us, and they will continue to. Europe/US trade is going nowhere. Its increased since Trump took office. This isnt a lemonade stand. There are thousands and thousands of deals and agreements being signed every single day with international companies.

Nobody's worried about middle east trade. Our military contracts dwarf the entire EU trade schedule. Don't be rediculous.

The Axis of Evil speech was almost 20 years ago. They also didn't have nuclear capabilities then either.

Everyone is so emotional about all this its amazing. Stop hoping and wishing things fall apart and use that time to actually contribute and make something.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:17 pm

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MikeDrop wrote:
CCGPV wrote:
For all this "insanity" going around things are looking pretty darn good for most people. I look around and all I see are "now hiring" signs and businesses building and expanding like crazy. What a nightmare!!


The real agenda of the left is starting to become clear: "Bill Maher said Friday that he is "hoping" for the bottom to fall out of the economy and for the country to enter a recession so we can "get rid of Trump."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ssion.html

This is how these people really feel. They cannot come to terms that their beliefs and word view are bad for America. After months of:
"RUSSIA! RUSSIA! oh that didn't work, HE's BROKE, HE's BROKE, oh that didn't work, HE's TAKING BRIBES, HE's TAKING BRIBES, oh that didn't work, HE's GOING TO BLOW UP THE WORLD!, oh that didn't work, PORN STARS! PORN STARS!, oh that didn't work,back to RUSSIA! RUSSIA, oh that didn't work,

No they are just admitting that none of it matters, and they are willing to destroy the economy to defeat him.

SAD!, and LOW ENERGY!

Milke Drop


Republicans putting party ahead of country brought us to this. Blame Democrats all you want, but it is Republicans doing this. There is solid and mounting evidence that Russia helped get tRump into office and he willingly worked with them to do it. Republicans do not want to impeach him because party before country. Keeping Republicans in power is more important than the general welfare and security of this nation. Unfortunately, Bill Maher is correct. It will take the economy collapsing for tRump to be replaced. Even that will not lose his base. You all will still blame Obama, Hillary, and Democrats.


LO freakin’ L. Party ahead of country is what the left has done for decades. You’re dreaming about anything coming from the Russian investigation other than babbling, seizure having, back-brace lady and Obama getting nailed for collusion. Hillary server boy just flipped. Whoops.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:23 pm

More shots fired :box: from the Trump administration , time to grab some popcorn :hyper:


Kudlow (White House economic adviser) called Trudeau’s press conference a “sophomoric, political stunt for domestic consumption.

Trudeau starts blasting him at a domestic news conference? I am sorry, that’s a betrayal. That’s a double cross.”


"There's a special place in hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad-faith diplomacy with President Donald J. Trump and then tries to stab him in the back on the way out the door," Navarro (White House trade adviser) told Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday."




Source: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/ ... rro-635100

White House trade adviser Peter Navarro lit into Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Sunday, saying

"There's a special place in hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad-faith diplomacy with President Donald J. Trump and then tries to stab him in the back on the way out the door," Navarro told Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday." "And that's what bad-faith Justin Trudeau did with that stunt press conference."





Source: http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... n-the-back

White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow on Sunday tore into Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau for “double crossing” President Trump with critical comments about U.S. trade policy.

“He was polarizing. He really kind of stabbed us in the back,” Kudlow said in strikingly critical remarks during an appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

“He did a great disservice to the whole [Group of Seven (G-7)],” he added.

Kudlow specifically took issue with Trudeau's comments at a post-summit press conference, and repeatedly called the Canadian's actions a "betrayal."

Kudlow called Trudeau’s press conference a “sophomoric, political stunt for domestic consumption.”


“President Trump played that process in good faith. So, I ask you: He gets up in the airplane and leaves, and then Trudeau starts blasting him at a domestic news conference? I am sorry, that’s a betrayal. That’s a double cross.”


"Kim must not see American weakness," Kudlow said. "This is a case where Trudeau, it was like, I don't know, pouring collateral damage on the whole Korean trip. That was a part of Trudeau's mistake. Trudeau made an error. He should take it back. He should pull back on his statements, and wish President Trump well in the Korean negotiations."

"I mean he can't put Trump in a position of being weak going into the North Korean talks with Kim. He can't do that," Kudlow continued. "And by the way, President Trump is not weak. He will be very strong as he always is."
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:26 pm

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So the same exact thing you just did? Its all republicans bla bla bla.

Partisan hacks the both of you.


I don't consider myself a partisan hack, but whatever. You can minimize the impacts of the reaction and resistance to the Trump victory by comparing it to previous administrations, or by calling me a partisan hack, but by doing so you are missing three important and non-partisan points, that should frighten any true American patriot, no matter what political party he/she/ze belongs:

1) The political reaction of the left, starting death threats to electors (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/1 ... l-college/), and calls for impeachment, starting before Trump even took office will become the new normal, by which future changes in administration will be measured. This behavior is now "OK". There were no arrests for any of the death threats that I know of, and certainly there was no official reaction to it by the Obama Administration. Any future president and his/her/ze supporters will be subject to this kind of treatment. It should frighten all of you.

2) The pervasive use of the organs of state for political purposes to suppress the opposition by President Obama's administrations in both the 2012 and 2016 elections will now be the new normal (remember when Lois Lerner plead the 5th about using the IRS to target Tea Party groups?). Since there have been no prosecutions for any of the many examples of political meddling by Obama's team, it is now OK for Trump or any future president to do the same. THIS is Obama's legacy. It should frighten all of you - this is what leads to a dictatorship.

3) The efforts of President Obama and his appointees to hinder President Trump during the transition and after the inauguration will also become the new normal. Totally opposite of the transitions of the Bushes to Clinton and Obama. It is now OK for Trump and any future president to do the exact same things that Obama and his team did. THIS is also Obama's legacy. It should frighten all of you.

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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:26 pm

LockheedBBD wrote:
More shots fired :box: from the Trump administration , time to grab some popcorn :hyper:


Kudlow (White House economic adviser) called Trudeau’s press conference a “sophomoric, political stunt for domestic consumption.

Trudeau starts blasting him at a domestic news conference? I am sorry, that’s a betrayal. That’s a double cross.”


"There's a special place in hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad-faith diplomacy with President Donald J. Trump and then tries to stab him in the back on the way out the door," Navarro (White House trade adviser) told Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday."




Source: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/ ... rro-635100

White House trade adviser Peter Navarro lit into Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Sunday, saying

"There's a special place in hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad-faith diplomacy with President Donald J. Trump and then tries to stab him in the back on the way out the door," Navarro told Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday." "And that's what bad-faith Justin Trudeau did with that stunt press conference."





Source: http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... n-the-back

White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow on Sunday tore into Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau for “double crossing” President Trump with critical comments about U.S. trade policy.

“He was polarizing. He really kind of stabbed us in the back,” Kudlow said in strikingly critical remarks during an appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

“He did a great disservice to the whole [Group of Seven (G-7)],” he added.

Kudlow specifically took issue with Trudeau's comments at a post-summit press conference, and repeatedly called the Canadian's actions a "betrayal."

Kudlow called Trudeau’s press conference a “sophomoric, political stunt for domestic consumption.”


“President Trump played that process in good faith. So, I ask you: He gets up in the airplane and leaves, and then Trudeau starts blasting him at a domestic news conference? I am sorry, that’s a betrayal. That’s a double cross.”


"Kim must not see American weakness," Kudlow said. "This is a case where Trudeau, it was like, I don't know, pouring collateral damage on the whole Korean trip. That was a part of Trudeau's mistake. Trudeau made an error. He should take it back. He should pull back on his statements, and wish President Trump well in the Korean negotiations."

"I mean he can't put Trump in a position of being weak going into the North Korean talks with Kim. He can't do that," Kudlow continued. "And by the way, President Trump is not weak. He will be very strong as he always is."



Even Canadians think Trudeau is a corrupt wuss. All talk.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:30 pm

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Real, actual ratified treaties are still being followed to the text of the agreements.


So NAFTA allows tariffs on steel and aluminum ?
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:40 pm

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If Europe is going to move on without us why are they so upset and worried? Go on and do you thing. This is what ya'll have been fighting for and dreaming about for years. Let us suffer and you continue to have tepid economic growth.


I don't know what will happen. I hope the EU will be able to do what China is doing, invest big amounts into building up our defense and technology sector. An economist I've been following for years on a French TV show, far from an extremist, was saying the other day that the only reason the US has the dominance it has is aircraft carriers. As long as the EU doesn't have 10 aircraft carriers we can't compete against the dollar.

Trump hates this but at the moment the US is "winning" thanks to very liberal (US sense of the world) oriented companies called Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon. If he manages to anger the EU enough that these companies are shut out of the EU, it's all over. It's not that far fetched. China never let them come in, and they manage without them.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:43 pm

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1) The political reaction of the left, starting death threats to electors (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/1 ... l-college/), and calls for impeachment, starting before Trump even took office will become the new normal, by which future changes in administration will be measured. This behavior is now "OK". There were no arrests for any of the death threats that I know of, and certainly there was no official reaction to it by the Obama Administration. Any future president and his/her/ze supporters will be subject to this kind of treatment. It should frighten all of you.


You're quick to forgot the birther movement, of which Trump was a proponent, was that Obama's fault ? Weren't they calling for his impeachment ?
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:46 pm

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seb146 wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:

The real agenda of the left is starting to become clear: "Bill Maher said Friday that he is "hoping" for the bottom to fall out of the economy and for the country to enter a recession so we can "get rid of Trump."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ssion.html

This is how these people really feel. They cannot come to terms that their beliefs and word view are bad for America. After months of:
"RUSSIA! RUSSIA! oh that didn't work, HE's BROKE, HE's BROKE, oh that didn't work, HE's TAKING BRIBES, HE's TAKING BRIBES, oh that didn't work, HE's GOING TO BLOW UP THE WORLD!, oh that didn't work, PORN STARS! PORN STARS!, oh that didn't work,back to RUSSIA! RUSSIA, oh that didn't work,

No they are just admitting that none of it matters, and they are willing to destroy the economy to defeat him.

SAD!, and LOW ENERGY!

Milke Drop


Republicans putting party ahead of country brought us to this. Blame Democrats all you want, but it is Republicans doing this. There is solid and mounting evidence that Russia helped get tRump into office and he willingly worked with them to do it. Republicans do not want to impeach him because party before country. Keeping Republicans in power is more important than the general welfare and security of this nation. Unfortunately, Bill Maher is correct. It will take the economy collapsing for tRump to be replaced. Even that will not lose his base. You all will still blame Obama, Hillary, and Democrats.


LO freakin’ L. Party ahead of country is what the left has done for decades. You’re dreaming about anything coming from the Russian investigation other than babbling, seizure having, back-brace lady and Obama getting nailed for collusion. Hillary server boy just flipped. Whoops.


Two questions:

1: When have Democrats ever put party ahead of country to the point they will ignore (and some encourage) another country to interfere with our elections? Another great example would be ACA. Even though no Republicans voted for it, Democrats still worked with them and talked with them to get something done. As bad as it was, they worked across the aisle. Nominating Supreme Court justices is another good example. Remember when there were only eight? Why?
2: Why still so much hate and blame for Hillary and Obama when her investigations are closed and he never had any?
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:57 pm

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But is that actually true? The US walked away from TTIP. I can't prove it because I didn't research it, but an educated guess is that these trade deals and tariffs even out between the EU and USA. If you have other information, please share.


TTIP would have included poor & cheap labor countries like Romania and Bulgaria, which would have allowed US companies to export manufacturing there. That's why trade deals with the entirety of the EU suck. What Trump has proposed, namely a G7 tariff free zone, would not share the same problem (except the south of Italy, but that's a minor problem). Obviously such a G7 zone would face problems also, because companies could just do a tariff free transaction between say France and Romania and then do the tariff free jump to the US. But at least that's a bit of added hassle for the producers of the goods => already better than TTIP.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:58 pm

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Dutchy wrote:
But is that actually true? The US walked away from TTIP. I can't prove it because I didn't research it, but an educated guess is that these trade deals and tariffs even out between the EU and USA. If you have other information, please share.


TTIP would have included poor & cheap labor countries like Romania and Bulgaria, which would have allowed US companies to export manufacturing there. That's why trade deals with the entirety of the EU suck. What Trump has proposed, namely a G7 tariff free zone, would not share the same problem (except the south of Italy, but that's a minor problem). Obviously such a G7 zone would face problems also, because companies could just do a tariff free transaction between say France and Romania and then do the tariff free jump to the US. But at least that's a bit of added hassle for the producers of the goods => already better than TTIP.


Trade deals are done with the EU and not with individual countries. So what Trump proposes is impossible. So try again.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:59 pm

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seb146 wrote:
CCGPV wrote:

So the same exact thing you just did? Its all republicans bla bla bla.

Partisan hacks the both of you.


Thank you. I should clarify. Republicans in Congress are not willing to impeach him. There are Republican voters who do. It is Republicans in Congress who are putting party ahead of country. Because, if they speak out against right wing Republicans and/or tRump, they are slammed in the media as "liberal" or RINO.


Well yeah, any party would protect their President when there's not been a trial or conviction. If your entire career and legislative agenda is on the line you're going to protect that. Every congressman would do the same regardless of party.

If the investigation results in charges or enough damming evidence against Trump or his campaign then we will see some action. So far there has been no evidence released by the Special Prosecutor in this regard. Zero. The charges levied against people so far have had nothing to do with the 2016 election. Its very shady but until we see actual evidence and charges against Trump the Republicans would be shirking their responsibility by not enacting their legislative agenda.

People love to ignore the law when it suits them. Not me.We have to let the legal system work before we convict or impeach. We're outraged when it happens to innocent black people and we should be outraged when it happens to a politician. We must let the system work.


Look at the Russian collusion this way:

It is still being investigated. There have been indictments handed down and at least one person connected with tRump has to remain in jail until trial. For shady deals with Russia. Investigators do not want to tip their hand, so they are being quiet about it.

Compare that to Bill Clinton, where Ken Starr just kept investigating. Not anything specific, but just things, until he got Bill under oath. Same with Hillary. They just kept investigating various things but could not find anything she could go to jail for. Even with all the times she was put under oath.

With the tariffs, (I want to get two conversations in one response to clean things up) it will make a huge difference. Companies have opened factories in other countries while, at the same time, closing them in the United States for a number of reasons. Skilled labor, tax laws, getting product to factories, among others. When these trade wars hit the United States, we will be hit hard. It will take time to get these factories up and running and get product to those factories and I don't see companies making those arrangements. For the good of their bottom line, they will just keep things the way they are. All because of cheetolini's ego.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:35 pm

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Dutchy wrote:
But is that actually true? The US walked away from TTIP. I can't prove it because I didn't research it, but an educated guess is that these trade deals and tariffs even out between the EU and USA. If you have other information, please share.


TTIP would have included poor & cheap labor countries like Romania and Bulgaria, which would have allowed US companies to export manufacturing there. That's why trade deals with the entirety of the EU suck. What Trump has proposed, namely a G7 tariff free zone, would not share the same problem (except the south of Italy, but that's a minor problem). Obviously such a G7 zone would face problems also, because companies could just do a tariff free transaction between say France and Romania and then do the tariff free jump to the US. But at least that's a bit of added hassle for the producers of the goods => already better than TTIP.


But that's impossible. And I'm not saying that to annoy you/the US. You can't build a free trade zone with only a part of another free trade zone. If Trump is really serious about this proposal (I doubt it, or rather, he doesn't know what he's talking about hence that can't be serious) what he's really asking for it for the EU to dismantle itself first, then he will do deals with individual countries. He's free to ask that, of course. I'm sure his administration would take well to EU leaders (or China, or Iran) talking about making deals with California but not Montana.
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It's not impossible. If it were, no country would have more than one trade deal. Example: The US is part of NAFTA, along with Mexico and Canada, but Canada and Mexico have different trade agreements with other countries. It's all about the provisions you put in.

The only problem is the EU trying to weasel out of it with this ludicrous notion that if you want a trade deal with Germany, you have to give Romania the same deal. Absolutely dumb and ridiculous. When the tariffs keep mounting, they will come to reason. Britain is already leaving to have more freedom from the unelected Eurocrats in Brussels.

Not asking the EU to dismantle itself (already doing a pretty good job as is), but cast aside one of their elements, which is a ridiculous element to begin with.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:48 pm

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The real agenda of the left is starting to become clear: "Bill Maher said Friday that he is "hoping" for the bottom to fall out of the economy and for the country to enter a recession so we can "get rid of Trump."

Cry me a river, please. What about this gem?

You reap what you sow. If it was fair game then, it's fair game now.

Oh what? You didn't think every liberal bought the "when they go low, we go high" mantra, did you?
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:58 pm

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Two questions:

1: When have Democrats ever put party ahead of country to the point they will ignore (and some encourage) another country to interfere with our elections? Another great example would be ACA. Even though no Republicans voted for it, Democrats still worked with them and talked with them to get something done. As bad as it was, they worked across the aisle. Nominating Supreme Court justices is another good example. Remember when there were only eight? Why?


Oh, this is golden. When? 2016!!!
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:09 pm

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MikeDrop wrote:
1) The political reaction of the left, starting death threats to electors (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/1 ... l-college/), and calls for impeachment, starting before Trump even took office will become the new normal, by which future changes in administration will be measured. This behavior is now "OK". There were no arrests for any of the death threats that I know of, and certainly there was no official reaction to it by the Obama Administration. Any future president and his/her/ze supporters will be subject to this kind of treatment. It should frighten all of you.


You're quick to forgot the birther movement, of which Trump was a proponent, was that Obama's fault ? Weren't they calling for his impeachment ?


To be sure, the Republicans made many efforts to undermine President Obama's agenda, from the start of his term. But these efforts were no different that any minority party in the last 50 years at the beginning of a new administration. But the reaction to President Trump is something very different, and dark. Just look at the numbers of confirmations that the Senate gave to Obama appointees in his first year. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/sto ... d=99674016 - to quote the article: "For many of the positions, confirmations have been expedited, " The minority Republican's in the Senate did not try to block the approval of 8 of President Obama's cabinet appointees on the day of his inauguration. Contrast this to how the minority Democrats have consistently tried to block every single nomination that President Trump has made. You may want to reply to this with the example of SCOTUS nominee Judge Garland, and how the Republicans didn't even hold hearings for him. It is a fair thing to bring up, and I'm not sure that we will be happy with the precedent that this set in the future as well. Perhaps the build up of acrimony during the Obama administration is just to big to overcome.

As for impeachment, I don't recall that there was ever any motion by any Republican lawmaker to force a vote in Congress on impeachment for President Obama at any time during his presidency. There has been more than one actual vote in Congress initiated by Democrats to impeach President Trump (all have failed).

As to the "Birther" movement, It was pushed hard by Hillary Clinton's campaign in 2008, and it never went away. The right's pushing of the "birther" narrative pales in comparison to the violence and sheer lunacy that has distracted this country since November of 2016.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:13 pm

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MikeDrop wrote:
The real agenda of the left is starting to become clear: "Bill Maher said Friday that he is "hoping" for the bottom to fall out of the economy and for the country to enter a recession so we can "get rid of Trump."

Cry me a river, please. What about this gem?

You reap what you sow. If it was fair game then, it's fair game now.

Oh what? You didn't think every liberal bought the "when they go low, we go high" mantra, did you?


What is wrong with that "gem"? Senator O'Connell is saying that the GOP's top political priority is to deny President Obama a second term. This is absolutely true for every minority party in every single administration. To be offended by this is just ridiculous.

It seems that you are saying that it is acceptable for the DNC to have their top political priority to crash the US economy so that they can blame President Trump?

God luck with that plank in the DNC platform
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:25 pm

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American "credibility" will rebound instantly when the next Democrat is elected. We saw it with Obama. The world embraced and loved him and awarded him prizes before even taking office. Its all theater.


It’s gping to take one hell of an impressive person to make up for 8 years of Trump (yes I think he will get a second term). Is there such a person in American
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:57 pm

"Peter Navarro: "There’s a special place in hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad faith diplomacy with President Donald J. Trump and then tries to stab him in the back on the way out the door...that’s what bad faith Justin Trudeau did with that stunt press conference."

https://twitter.com/FoxNewsSunday/statu ... 3328710661

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/white-h ... -1.4700061

Wow, not only are they not backtracking but fully doubling down.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:45 pm

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CCGPV wrote:

So the same exact thing you just did? Its all republicans bla bla bla.

Partisan hacks the both of you.


I don't consider myself a partisan hack, but whatever. You can minimize the impacts of the reaction and resistance to the Trump victory by comparing it to previous administrations, or by calling me a partisan hack, but by doing so you are missing three important and non-partisan points, that should frighten any true American patriot, no matter what political party he/she/ze belongs:

1) The political reaction of the left, starting death threats to electors (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/1 ... l-college/), and calls for impeachment, starting before Trump even took office will become the new normal, by which future changes in administration will be measured. This behavior is now "OK". There were no arrests for any of the death threats that I know of, and certainly there was no official reaction to it by the Obama Administration. Any future president and his/her/ze supporters will be subject to this kind of treatment. It should frighten all of you.

2) The pervasive use of the organs of state for political purposes to suppress the opposition by President Obama's administrations in both the 2012 and 2016 elections will now be the new normal (remember when Lois Lerner plead the 5th about using the IRS to target Tea Party groups?). Since there have been no prosecutions for any of the many examples of political meddling by Obama's team, it is now OK for Trump or any future president to do the same. THIS is Obama's legacy. It should frighten all of you - this is what leads to a dictatorship.

3) The efforts of President Obama and his appointees to hinder President Trump during the transition and after the inauguration will also become the new normal. Totally opposite of the transitions of the Bushes to Clinton and Obama. It is now OK for Trump and any future president to do the exact same things that Obama and his team did. THIS is also Obama's legacy. It should frighten all of you.

MD


I'm not arguing against your points I'm arguing about how you're saying it. Calling people idiots and fools and stupid just shuts them down. Just like when those on the left side of the isle use the fascist white supremacist when describing Trump supporters. Its just dumb and doesn't do anything but make people not listen or take you seriously.

If you want to do that and continue not being listened to or taken seriously then fine, go for it. Don't expect anyone to change or learn anything from what you say.

Be the better person and let them play in the gutter. Don't give them another excuse to not take you seriously. You can still be passionate but think of the brand you're trying to sell.
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:47 pm

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CCGPV wrote:
Real, actual ratified treaties are still being followed to the text of the agreements.


So NAFTA allows tariffs on steel and aluminum ?


Yes, it does.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:55 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
CCGPV wrote:

American "credibility" will rebound instantly when the next Democrat is elected. We saw it with Obama. The world embraced and loved him and awarded him prizes before even taking office. Its all theater.


It’s gping to take one hell of an impressive person to make up for 8 years of Trump (yes I think he will get a second term). Is there such a person in American
Politics??


Remember George Bush? People were making Hollywood movies about him being murdered while he was still president. He was hated the world over and a complete joke. Same old story. We were bombing and killing hundreds of thousands of people. Then Obama came along and he saved the world and got a Nobel Peace Prize and filled stadiums in Europe for his speeches.

People are fickle and forget in an instant. In 15 years half the people will be looking back on this and saying "Haha the good old days." "He was crazy but he wasn't that bad" bla bla bla. People are dumb.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:00 pm

Aesma wrote:
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If Europe is going to move on without us why are they so upset and worried? Go on and do you thing. This is what ya'll have been fighting for and dreaming about for years. Let us suffer and you continue to have tepid economic growth.


I don't know what will happen. I hope the EU will be able to do what China is doing, invest big amounts into building up our defense and technology sector. An economist I've been following for years on a French TV show, far from an extremist, was saying the other day that the only reason the US has the dominance it has is aircraft carriers. As long as the EU doesn't have 10 aircraft carriers we can't compete against the dollar.

Trump hates this but at the moment the US is "winning" thanks to very liberal (US sense of the world) oriented companies called Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon. If he manages to anger the EU enough that these companies are shut out of the EU, it's all over. It's not that far fetched. China never let them come in, and they manage without them.


Who's the economist? I'd like to read some of his stuff.

I think having aircraft carriers is a huge part of the picture but our unified single marketplace with much less regulation is the real powerhouse. We have the geography and the population to cater to anybody. Europe has the possibility if they can federalize and act like one nation. That's far, far down the line.

China is an interesting case and a true threat to not only the USA but Europe. They don't have the burden of being held accountable to their people so the government can do things we cant. That is a double edged sword and China has a tendency to overextend and we will see what happens when all those middle class folks start to demand sustained 7-8-9% growth when its just not possible. Interesting times.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:27 pm

http://www.philippedessertine.com/

I don't know if there's much to read, I know he writes political/economic novels on the side. I only watch him on TV, where he manages to very well explain economic concepts and can show the good and the bad of a policy, without sounding too academic, nor too alarmist (usually). He seems very frightened by the brewing trade war.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:45 pm

CCGPV wrote:
I'm not arguing against your points I'm arguing about how you're saying it. Calling people idiots and fools and stupid just shuts them down.

Fair enough sentiment, to be really fair the words fools and idiots were not included in any of my posts. Saying that something is foolish is not the same as calling someone a fool.

And, to my point, claiming the the United States is living under a dictatorship is absolutely a foolish statement and it should be called out as such.

My statement is not meant to insult, and any intelligent person would not equate that statement to calling someone a fool or an idiot. As opposed to calling someone a partisan hack, as you did.
 
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:59 pm

Jesus christ, I could support a Republican president who hadn't sold out country out to Russia. You don't think Russia interfered? You must be a contortionist because clearly you have your head so far up a dark place that you aren't taking in the most rudimentary of information. The president is cradling Putin's balls in plain sight.

Yes it's that simple. You unpatriotic traitors.
 
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:39 am

Dutchy wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:
The real agenda of the left is starting to become clear: "Bill Maher said Friday that he is "hoping" for the bottom to fall out of the economy and for the country to enter a recession so we can "get rid of Trump."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ssion.html

This is how these people really feel. They cannot come to terms that their beliefs and word view are bad for America. After months of:
"RUSSIA! RUSSIA! oh that didn't work, HE's BROKE, HE's BROKE, oh that didn't work, HE's TAKING BRIBES, HE's TAKING BRIBES, oh that didn't work, HE's GOING TO BLOW UP THE WORLD!, oh that didn't work, PORN STARS! PORN STARS!, oh that didn't work,back to RUSSIA! RUSSIA, oh that didn't work,

No they are just admitting that none of it matters, and they are willing to destroy the economy to defeat him.

SAD!, and LOW ENERGY!

Milke Drop


What did Trump actually achieved and how has he helped the blue color white male worker who voted for him en mass?


Considering they still support him en mass I’d have to say your news sources are a bit off.
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Re: G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:51 am

aviationaware wrote:
Well the news were predictable. In real news, the US has fewer tariffs than the other G7 countries.


Actually, this is simply not true. Here are the average tariffs of each of the G7 countries (per the World Bank):

USA 1.6%

UK 1.6%

Japan 1.4%

Italy 1.6%

Germany 1.6%

France 1.6%

Canada 0.8%

So Trump went on a rampage complaining about the country ... whose tariffs are half the US rate. I would be willing to bet he, like you, was spouting off without even knowing what the facts were.

Jouhou wrote:
Jesus christ, I could support a Republican president who hadn't sold out country out to Russia. You don't think Russia interfered? You must be a contortionist because clearly you have your head so far up a dark place that you aren't taking in the most rudimentary of information. The president is cradling Putin's balls in plain sight. Yes it's that simple. You unpatriotic traitors.


:checkmark: Trump is berating and whining about the closest allies of the USA, while he is buddying up to Putin (and suggesting the Russia be added back to the group, despite the fact that it has a GDP much lower than any of the other 7 states, and even lower than Brazil, China, India, or South Korea, which are not members) and his new bromance Kim Jong Un. I am sure those two will rush to aid the USA - as the G7 countries did - when America needs their assistance.
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