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Family "separation" - can a christian support such policy

Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:18 pm

I wonder;

Can you as a christian support a policy like the US Family separation?
 
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Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:29 pm

You can justify anything with the bible, and christians do.
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Most religious doctrine would hold that if Trump ordered such, then it's god's will.
 
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Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:12 pm

No! If one applies “what would Jesus do?” To this situation- none of what we are seeing would be happening.
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Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:32 pm

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No! If one applies “what would Jesus do?” To this situation- none of what we are seeing would be happening.

Applying what would Jesus would do int he situation of refugees would be perfect as this would involve likely not existing in the first place


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Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:20 pm

Until Trump's executive order, it was illegal for children to go to jail with their parents. American families are separated everyday when a parent goes to jail, which is very sad for the children, as it is sad for the children of detained illegal immigrants. As Trump calculated, as soon as he signed the executive order, the left is now outraged kids are being held in detention centers with their parents, once and for all exposing the left's true position which is "no borders, no laws, sanctuary for all".
 
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Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:01 pm

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Until Trump's executive order, it was illegal for children to go to jail with their parents. American families are separated everyday when a parent goes to jail, which is very sad for the children, as it is sad for the children of detained illegal immigrants. As Trump calculated, as soon as he signed the executive order, the left is now outraged kids are being held in detention centers with their parents, once and for all exposing the left's true position which is "no borders, no laws, sanctuary for all".


Do you have links to show this supposed outrage? I can link to several sources that are outraged children are still detained alone in cages but I have not seen anyone on the left outraged over children being reunited and held. Like under Obama and GWB and GHWB and Reagan and Clinton and Carter......
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Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:14 pm

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Do you have links to show this supposed outrage? I can link to several sources that are outraged children are still detained alone in cages but I have not seen anyone on the left outraged over children being reunited and held. Like under Obama and GWB and GHWB and Reagan and Clinton and Carter......


"Democrats were not impressed. Within minutes of Trump's oversized signature being displayed for the cameras, they turned their focus to the “indefinite imprisonment of families.”

“This Executive Order doesn’t fix the crisis. Indefinitely detaining children with their families in camps is inhumane and will not make us safe,” Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., said.

This Executive Order doesn’t fix the crisis. Indefinitely detaining children with their families in camps is inhumane and will not make us safe.
— Kamala Harris (@SenKamalaHarris) June 20, 2018

Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., tweeted: “This isn’t over.”

“Separating kids is unacceptable – but indefinite imprisonment of families is still cruel & inhumane,” she said.

This isn’t over. Thousands of kids have been ripped from their parents with no plan to reunite them. And now @realdonaldtrump wants to create new detention camps for families. Separating kids is unacceptable – but indefinite imprisonment of families is still cruel & inhumane.
— Elizabeth Warren (@SenWarren) June 20, 2018

Sen. Dianne Feinstein said that such detention was “extremely troubling” and the order was “the next step in the Trump administration’s larger agenda to eliminate basic protections for asylum seekers.”

It’s extremely troubling that the president’s executive order would require immigrant families with children to be detained indefinitely. The order appears to be the next step in the Trump administration’s larger agenda to eliminate basic protections for asylum seekers.
— Sen Dianne Feinstein (@SenFeinstein) June 20, 2018

“Let us be clear that the executive order that he issued together goes nowhere, nowhere, nowhere as far as it should go,” Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., said on the Senate floor, before echoing the concerns about detaining families together.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06 ... -over.html
 
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afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Do you have links to show this supposed outrage? I can link to several sources that are outraged children are still detained alone in cages but I have not seen anyone on the left outraged over children being reunited and held. Like under Obama and GWB and GHWB and Reagan and Clinton and Carter......


"Democrats were not impressed. Within minutes of Trump's oversized signature being displayed for the cameras, they turned their focus to the “indefinite imprisonment of families.”

“This Executive Order doesn’t fix the crisis. Indefinitely detaining children with their families in camps is inhumane and will not make us safe,” Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., said.

This Executive Order doesn’t fix the crisis. Indefinitely detaining children with their families in camps is inhumane and will not make us safe.
— Kamala Harris (@SenKamalaHarris) June 20, 2018

Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., tweeted: “This isn’t over.”

“Separating kids is unacceptable – but indefinite imprisonment of families is still cruel & inhumane,” she said.

This isn’t over. Thousands of kids have been ripped from their parents with no plan to reunite them. And now @realdonaldtrump wants to create new detention camps for families. Separating kids is unacceptable – but indefinite imprisonment of families is still cruel & inhumane.
— Elizabeth Warren (@SenWarren) June 20, 2018

Sen. Dianne Feinstein said that such detention was “extremely troubling” and the order was “the next step in the Trump administration’s larger agenda to eliminate basic protections for asylum seekers.”

It’s extremely troubling that the president’s executive order would require immigrant families with children to be detained indefinitely. The order appears to be the next step in the Trump administration’s larger agenda to eliminate basic protections for asylum seekers.
— Sen Dianne Feinstein (@SenFeinstein) June 20, 2018

“Let us be clear that the executive order that he issued together goes nowhere, nowhere, nowhere as far as it should go,” Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., said on the Senate floor, before echoing the concerns about detaining families together.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06 ... -over.html


Thank you.

I see your confusion, though. Through the eyes of Fox infotainment, one might believe the only thing Democrats and "liberals" want is open borders. But, if one were to actually read the comments, holding people indefinitely, holding children and/or families in cages is what is outraging Democrats. None of them say anything about open borders or loose border or immigration policies. Just treatment at detention facilities.

None of that matters since the United States has removed itself from the UN Human Rights Commission.
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I don’t think children should grow up in criminal households - actually, we have laws against it. So it is not just me. Anyway, I am not a Christian.
 
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Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:46 pm

seb146 wrote:

Thank you.

I see your confusion, though. Through the eyes of Fox infotainment, one might believe the only thing Democrats and "liberals" want is open borders. But, if one were to actually read the comments, holding people indefinitely, holding children and/or families in cages is what is outraging Democrats. None of them say anything about open borders or loose border or immigration policies. Just treatment at detention facilities.

None of that matters since the United States has removed itself from the UN Human Rights Commission.


You're welcome. I think your side is confused though. The only other option is sending them back immediately, which would also result in liberal outrage. You are running out of alternatives. The only other option is to let them cross whenever they show up at our borders, which is exactly what the left wants. Trump is playing you once again.
 
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Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:06 am

Flighty wrote:
I don’t think children should grow up in criminal households - actually, we have laws against it. So it is not just me. Anyway, I am not a Christian.


So you think a child should be permanently separated from their parent (or at least until they're 18) if a parent ever commits a crime? What if their crime is writing a bad check? I am a Christian btw.
 
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I don’t think children should grow up in criminal households - actually, we have laws against it. So it is not just me. Anyway, I am not a Christian.

Religion aside, equating illegal border crossing with major crimes like murder, theft, and drug use is delusional, especially if some of the crossings are done to seek asylum (which the US loves to advocate abroad). The law is applied unevenly for the silliest of things. A white kid kills people at a Black church, but is escorted in handcuffs; meanwhile a Hispanic single mother of 2 attempts to claim asylum and she is separated from her children who are then transferred out of state (and if they're lucky, they MAY be reunited after the ordeal is over...if the government does not lose track of them).
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The law is applied unevenly for the silliest of things. A white kid kills people at a Black church, but is escorted in handcuffs; meanwhile a Hispanic single mother of 2 attempts to claim asylum and she is separated from her children who are then transferred out of state (and if they're lucky, they MAY be reunited after the ordeal is over...if the government does not lose track of them).


How do you want the white kid who killed people at a black church escorted out? Handcuffs or no? If he had kids, are you saying they would have put them all under house arrest at the Embassy Suites or somehow made accommodations for them to all stay together because he was white and the victims were black??
 
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afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:

Thank you.

I see your confusion, though. Through the eyes of Fox infotainment, one might believe the only thing Democrats and "liberals" want is open borders. But, if one were to actually read the comments, holding people indefinitely, holding children and/or families in cages is what is outraging Democrats. None of them say anything about open borders or loose border or immigration policies. Just treatment at detention facilities.

None of that matters since the United States has removed itself from the UN Human Rights Commission.


You're welcome. I think your side is confused though. The only other option is sending them back immediately, which would also result in liberal outrage. You are running out of alternatives. The only other option is to let them cross whenever they show up at our borders, which is exactly what the left wants. Trump is playing you once again.


How about this:

Hold a hearing to find out why they are crossing here illegally. Is it to keep from being murdered at home? Is it simply because pay is more here? You already know they can not receive welfare, so it can not be that.

Also, "the left" does not want people to cross whenever they show up. I know you say they want that, but you still have to prove that. Show me when that was said. Show me when that was put forward as an actual policy point. I need to see those words. The quotes you provided were all "Won't someone please think of the children!" and not "Let them all in, no matter what!"
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Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:28 am

seb146 wrote:
Also, "the left" does not want people to cross whenever they show up. I know you say they want that, but you still have to prove that. Show me when that was said. Show me when that was put forward as an actual policy point. I need to see those words. The quotes you provided were all "Won't someone please think of the children!" and not "Let them all in, no matter what!"


You can hear those words on one of the top news stories of the week "No borders, No Laws, Sanctuary for All"...

https://youtu.be/OZG9jW-1c60?t=3m54s
 
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afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Also, "the left" does not want people to cross whenever they show up. I know you say they want that, but you still have to prove that. Show me when that was said. Show me when that was put forward as an actual policy point. I need to see those words. The quotes you provided were all "Won't someone please think of the children!" and not "Let them all in, no matter what!"


You can hear those words on one of the top news stories of the week "No borders, No Laws, Sanctuary for All"...

https://youtu.be/OZG9jW-1c60?t=3m54s


PROTESTERS said that. You said LAWMAKERS said that. Which is it? Obviously protesters said that. Not everyone agrees. Where are the quotes from "liberal" lawmakers that say "liberals" and Democrats want no borders?
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Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:03 am

I'd add that looking at any time children are abused on a massive scale, whether it's slavery, Native Americans, orphans, immigrants--it's always been in the shadow of someone with a bible. Always.
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As Trump calculated, as soon as he signed the executive order, the left is now outraged kids are being held in detention centers with their parents, once and for all exposing the left's true position which is "no borders, no laws, sanctuary for all".

Nothing was "calculated" beyond delivering a poorly thought out policy because he and his base get off on abusing brown children--with evangelicals 100% complicit--and then caved when he wasn't getting good PR with a poorly thought out backtrack. Same as always.
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How do you want the white kid who killed people at a black church escorted out? Handcuffs or no? If he had kids, are you saying they would have put them all under house arrest at the Embassy Suites or somehow made accommodations for them to all stay together because he was white and the victims were black??

If only there was some sort of difference between one person mass murdering a church full of people and a family crossing the border illegally... :roll: You've got enough straw men there to build a straw family and incarcerate them all in your basement.
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The Honduran toddler pictured sobbing in a pink jacket before U.S. President Donald Trump on the cover of Time magazine was not separated from her mother at the U.S. border, according to a man who says he is the girl’s father.

Valera, the girl's father, said the little girl and her mother, Sandra Sanchez, have been detained together in the Texas border town of McAllen, where Sanchez has applied for asylum, and they were not separated after being detained near the border.

Honduran deputy foreign minister Nelly Jerez confirmed Valera’s version of events.

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Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:14 am

VC10er wrote:
No! If one applies “what would Jesus do?” To this situation- none of what we are seeing would be happening.


Was immigration even an issue when Jesus (allegedly) lived?

Tbh I have no issues being tough on immigration but locking kids in cages is a step too far. Lock families up together in detention centres, I can’t see why that would be to hard.
 
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seb146 wrote:
PROTESTERS said that. You said LAWMAKERS said that. Which is it? Obviously protesters said that. Not everyone agrees. Where are the quotes from "liberal" lawmakers that say "liberals" and Democrats want no borders?


I didn't say lawmakers said that, I said the left wants that.

MaverickM11 wrote:
If only there was some sort of difference between one person mass murdering a church full of people and a family crossing the border illegally... :roll: You've got enough straw men there to build a straw family


The only straw man argument is the one I was responding to.



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The Honduran toddler pictured sobbing in a pink jacket before U.S. President Donald Trump on the cover of Time magazine was not separated from her mother at the U.S. border, according to a man who says he is the girl’s father.

Valera, the girl's father, said the little girl and her mother, Sandra Sanchez, have been detained together in the Texas border town of McAllen, where Sanchez has applied for asylum, and they were not separated after being detained near the border.

Honduran deputy foreign minister Nelly Jerez confirmed Valera’s version of events.

https://jimbakkershow.com/news/father-s ... om-mother/


You can even see her mother in the original picture standing right beside her. The officer asked the mother is she okay and her mother responded she is just tired and thirsty. It was late at night and they had traveled a long way. I think this photo is going to be iconic, but not in the way the left wants. It is the face of fake news and it's just perfect!
 
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Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:23 am

olle wrote:
I wonder;

Can you as a christian support a policy like the US Family separation?

Actually, "Christians" are capable of some pretty heinous thing, especially in the name of a fairy tale they call God. IMHO of course.
 
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afcjets wrote:
Flighty wrote:
I don’t think children should grow up in criminal households - actually, we have laws against it. So it is not just me. Anyway, I am not a Christian.


So you think a child should be permanently separated from their parent (or at least until they're 18) if a parent ever commits a crime? What if their crime is writing a bad check? I am a Christian btw.


If you are IN JAIL, which is generally because you are suspected or convicted of committing crimes, your kid is NOT WITH YOU. That's the law. In every country on Earth. This is how humans do things. Hope this helps.
 
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einsteinboricua wrote:
Flighty wrote:
I don’t think children should grow up in criminal households - actually, we have laws against it. So it is not just me. Anyway, I am not a Christian.

Religion aside, equating illegal border crossing with major crimes like murder, theft, and drug use is delusional, especially if some of the crossings are done to seek asylum (which the US loves to advocate abroad). The law is applied unevenly for the silliest of things. A white kid kills people at a Black church, but is escorted in handcuffs; meanwhile a Hispanic single mother of 2 attempts to claim asylum and she is separated from her children who are then transferred out of state (and if they're lucky, they MAY be reunited after the ordeal is over...if the government does not lose track of them).


I appreciate some of what you said, that the application of law is sometimes unfair, but I find the sweeping negation of all laws quite overdrawn. We have a nice thing in the USA. It's probably not time to completely give up policework and just let the most powerfully-built young men control everything.

Border hopping is a serious crime in my book. If I did it, I would fully expect to be jailed for about 1 year then deported forever. I think that's about fair. I also think work camps are fair. They teach people valuable remorse skills.
 
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Flighty wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Flighty wrote:
I don’t think children should grow up in criminal households - actually, we have laws against it. So it is not just me. Anyway, I am not a Christian.


So you think a child should be permanently separated from their parent (or at least until they're 18) if a parent ever commits a crime? What if their crime is writing a bad check? I am a Christian btw.


If you are IN JAIL, which is generally because you are suspected or convicted of committing crimes, your kid is NOT WITH YOU. That's the law. In every country on Earth. This is how humans do things. Hope this helps.


My bad I assumed you were referring to the actual topic we are discussing and since these parents are usually only detained for a matter of days or weeks, I thought your saying these kids should not be allowed to grow up with these parents who break US border laws was a bit harsh.
 
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I am a Christian btw.


Judging by your previous posts, a pretty piss poor one at that.

Heck, even the Southern Baptists were coming out against Trump. Anyone who supports this piece of garbage can no longer say with a straight face that they are a Christian. A true Christian would not hold such abhorrent and bigoted beliefs.
 
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VC10er wrote:
No! If one applies “what would Jesus do?” To this situation- none of what we are seeing would be happening.

Applying what would Jesus would do int he situation of refugees would be perfect as this would involve likely not existing in the first place


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This exactly. That and as the next post states...people are separated from their children all the time. A DUI is a misdemeanor and parents are sent to jail without their children as well.
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seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Until Trump's executive order, it was illegal for children to go to jail with their parents. American families are separated everyday when a parent goes to jail, which is very sad for the children, as it is sad for the children of detained illegal immigrants. As Trump calculated, as soon as he signed the executive order, the left is now outraged kids are being held in detention centers with their parents, once and for all exposing the left's true position which is "no borders, no laws, sanctuary for all".


Do you have links to show this supposed outrage? I can link to several sources that are outraged children are still detained alone in cages but I have not seen anyone on the left outraged over children being reunited and held. Like under Obama and GWB and GHWB and Reagan and Clinton and Carter......


Where do you propose to house thousands of illegals as they arrive at the border in droves? Your house? Tents in your backyard? At least they are given food and shelter rather than a tent city.
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Some statements are made here regarding illegal immigration suggesting it's treated the same everywhere, that's not true at all. In the EU clandestine immigration is not a crime. This follows rulings by the European Court of Justice.

Before the change in 2012 it was a misdemeanor in France, and in practice never enforced, as we don't run our prisons for profit so there is no room in them to put thousands of people more who are not violent criminals.
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afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:
PROTESTERS said that. You said LAWMAKERS said that. Which is it? Obviously protesters said that. Not everyone agrees. Where are the quotes from "liberal" lawmakers that say "liberals" and Democrats want no borders?


I didn't say lawmakers said that, I said the left wants that.


Right. And when I asked for sources, you posted a link to social media comments of Democrats saying "please think of the children." Oh, and that one protest at one restaurant one time of a few people chanting about open borders. That is your "proof" that all on the left want open borders.
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DL717 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Until Trump's executive order, it was illegal for children to go to jail with their parents. American families are separated everyday when a parent goes to jail, which is very sad for the children, as it is sad for the children of detained illegal immigrants. As Trump calculated, as soon as he signed the executive order, the left is now outraged kids are being held in detention centers with their parents, once and for all exposing the left's true position which is "no borders, no laws, sanctuary for all".


Do you have links to show this supposed outrage? I can link to several sources that are outraged children are still detained alone in cages but I have not seen anyone on the left outraged over children being reunited and held. Like under Obama and GWB and GHWB and Reagan and Clinton and Carter......


Where do you propose to house thousands of illegals as they arrive at the border in droves? Your house? Tents in your backyard? At least they are given food and shelter rather than a tent city.


And it is fine because the Republican backed for-profit prison system is helping out!

https://www.npr.org/2017/11/21/56531877 ... jails-boom
https://grassrootsleadership.org/report ... tion-quota

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The Honduran toddler pictured sobbing in a pink jacket before U.S. President Donald Trump on the cover of Time magazine was not separated from her mother at the U.S. border, according to a man who says he is the girl’s father.

Trumpanzees wringing their hands about honesty is my favorite kind of transparently hollow virtue signaling

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You can even see her mother in the original picture standing right beside her. The officer asked the mother is she okay and her mother responded she is just tired and thirsty. It was late at night and they had traveled a long way. I think this photo is going to be iconic, but not in the way the left wants. It is the face of fake news and it's just perfect!

Oh have all the thousands of children been reunited with their parents? It's a (bad) magazine cover that will be forgotten within days because a) who reads magazines let alone Time and b) it will be buried by dozens of other Trump missteps by Monday. The separated children however, will continue to flood the airwaves for weeks, in a PR miscalculation so pervasive even Bill O'reilly knew this "administration won't win this one."
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The Honduran toddler pictured sobbing in a pink jacket before U.S. President Donald Trump on the cover of Time magazine was not separated from her mother at the U.S. border, according to a man who says he is the girl’s father.

Valera, the girl's father, said the little girl and her mother, Sandra Sanchez, have been detained together in the Texas border town of McAllen, where Sanchez has applied for asylum, and they were not separated after being detained near the border.

Honduran deputy foreign minister Nelly Jerez confirmed Valera’s version of events.

https://jimbakkershow.com/news/father-s ... om-mother/


Well that just changes everything, then, doesn’t it? :sarcastic:
 
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Re: Family "separation" - can a christian support such policy

Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:15 pm

afcjets wrote:
I think this photo is going to be iconic, but not in the way the left wants. It is the face of fake news and it's just perfect!


Yep this has all been FAKE. Definitely nothing to see here!!!
 
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Re: Family "separation" - can a christian support such policy

Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:34 pm

seb146 wrote:
DL717 wrote:
seb146 wrote:

Do you have links to show this supposed outrage? I can link to several sources that are outraged children are still detained alone in cages but I have not seen anyone on the left outraged over children being reunited and held. Like under Obama and GWB and GHWB and Reagan and Clinton and Carter......


Where do you propose to house thousands of illegals as they arrive at the border in droves? Your house? Tents in your backyard? At least they are given food and shelter rather than a tent city.


And it is fine because the Republican backed for-profit prison system is helping out!

https://www.npr.org/2017/11/21/56531877 ... jails-boom
https://grassrootsleadership.org/report ... tion-quota

What could possibly go wrong?


You didn’t answer the question. What’s your plan?
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Re: Family "separation" - can a christian support such policy

Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:37 pm

The last time I checked, at least 15 Democrat Congressional candidates have called for the defunding of ICE. That’s not a large number, but there is most definitely an element within the party that is publicly calling for policies that would result in an uncontrolled border.
 
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VTKillarney1 wrote:
The last time I checked, at least 15 Democrat Congressional candidates have called for the defunding of ICE. That’s not a large number, but there is most definitely an element within the party that is publicly calling for policies that would result in an uncontrolled border.


Only 15 looking for votes in their region out of how many?
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Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:48 pm

VTKillarney1 wrote:
The last time I checked, at least 15 Democrat Congressional candidates have called for the defunding of ICE. That’s not a large number, but there is most definitely an element within the party that is publicly calling for policies that would result in an uncontrolled border.


Hmmmm, I thought your “moderate” standard was whether it was written into the party platform or not?
 
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Re: Family "separation" - can a christian support such policy

Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:42 pm

seb146 wrote:
DL717 wrote:
seb146 wrote:

Do you have links to show this supposed outrage? I can link to several sources that are outraged children are still detained alone in cages but I have not seen anyone on the left outraged over children being reunited and held. Like under Obama and GWB and GHWB and Reagan and Clinton and Carter......


Where do you propose to house thousands of illegals as they arrive at the border in droves? Your house? Tents in your backyard? At least they are given food and shelter rather than a tent city.


And it is fine because the Republican backed for-profit prison system is helping out!

https://www.npr.org/2017/11/21/56531877 ... jails-boom
https://grassrootsleadership.org/report ... tion-quota

What could possibly go wrong?


Not to mention the cash influx to Catholic Charities and the like that receive money to house and care for the children...

Nice racket if you can get it...
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Re: Family "separation" - can a christian support such policy

Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:13 pm

DL717 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
DL717 wrote:

Where do you propose to house thousands of illegals as they arrive at the border in droves? Your house? Tents in your backyard? At least they are given food and shelter rather than a tent city.


And it is fine because the Republican backed for-profit prison system is helping out!

https://www.npr.org/2017/11/21/56531877 ... jails-boom
https://grassrootsleadership.org/report ... tion-quota

What could possibly go wrong?


You didn’t answer the question. What’s your plan?


I did answer the question. Have hearings and decide what to do with them. I don't see what was wrong with the old system, other than "it happened while Obama was president." That seems to be the only point of outrage for the right. If it happened under Obama, we must do the exact opposite, even if it worked well then.

You act like this has never happened before and no one should be concerned with how the administration is handling it. This has been happening for a very long time. Let's do what Reagan did which is exactly what Obama did.
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:25 am

Trump.... "No due process for illegal immigrants."

“We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, take them back from where they came.”

Bravo Mr. Trump. Making our borders Great Again
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:31 am

And as the Chairman of the board of one of the largest retail chains in the nation, I think we should end this due process nonsense for shoplifters too.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:57 am

It also occurs to me that when righties use the term "liberal outrage" when any of these morality issues come up, they don't actually say anything about the morality issue. Just simply "you liberals are always fake outrage over something...." and go off on that tangent. Why is that? Defend putting children in cages. Defend being Christian and happily and joyfully embracing a three time divorced man. Defend letting people drink poisoned water in Flint. You can't, can you? All you can do is simply scream about "fake liberal outrage" and go from there.

I honestly don't remember if I saw the "liberal outrage" defense used in this thread or the "What Would Trump Do..." thread but it is probably there too....
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:58 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Trump.... "No due process for illegal immigrants."

“We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, take them back from where they came.”

Bravo Mr. Trump. Making our borders Great Again


So what if they are murdered in their own country? So what if they die of starvation or disease in their country? A Christian nation don't need no stinkin' compassion! We have tax cuts!

EDIT:

My bad. With the high cost and demands for for-profit health care (because, really, who needs health care?) I guess people would not be fleeing disease. With their "socialist" medicine, they probably have more affordable treatments than we do.
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:05 am

DL717 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
DL717 wrote:

You didn’t answer the question. What’s your plan?


I did answer the question. Have hearings and decide what to do with them. I don't see what was wrong with the old system, other than "it happened while Obama was president." That seems to be the only point of outrage for the right. If it happened under Obama, we must do the exact opposite, even if it worked well then.

You act like this has never happened before and no one should be concerned with how the administration is handling it. This has been happening for a very long time. Let's do what Reagan did which is exactly what Obama did.


So where do you put them while they await a hearing?


Make the holding areas more humane. I know the god of the righties called them animals, but they are not. Just because he calls them animals does not mean they need to be treated like them.
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:07 am

seb146 wrote:
DL717 wrote:
seb146 wrote:

And it is fine because the Republican backed for-profit prison system is helping out!

https://www.npr.org/2017/11/21/56531877 ... jails-boom
https://grassrootsleadership.org/report ... tion-quota

What could possibly go wrong?


You didn’t answer the question. What’s your plan?


I did answer the question. Have hearings and decide what to do with them. I don't see what was wrong with the old system, other than "it happened while Obama was president." That seems to be the only point of outrage for the right. If it happened under Obama, we must do the exact opposite, even if it worked well then.

You act like this has never happened before and no one should be concerned with how the administration is handling it. This has been happening for a very long time. Let's do what Reagan did which is exactly what Obama did.


No, you didn’t answer the question. Hearings are already being done and have been.

So where do you put them while they await a hearing?
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Re: Family "separation" - can a christian support such policy

Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:11 am

seb146 wrote:
DL717 wrote:
seb146 wrote:

I did answer the question. Have hearings and decide what to do with them. I don't see what was wrong with the old system, other than "it happened while Obama was president." That seems to be the only point of outrage for the right. If it happened under Obama, we must do the exact opposite, even if it worked well then.

You act like this has never happened before and no one should be concerned with how the administration is handling it. This has been happening for a very long time. Let's do what Reagan did which is exactly what Obama did.


So where do you put them while they await a hearing?


Make the holding areas more humane. I know the god of the righties called them animals, but they are not. Just because he calls them animals does not mean they need to be treated like them.


Who’s going to pay for it? And no, righties don’t call them animals. They call criminal illegals that kill people animals, which they are.
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Re: Family "separation" - can a christian support such policy

Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:31 am

It is well understood that Christian and other faith communities are the most racially and ethnically segregated places in our society. Many, but not all such communities resent helping the poor if not 'their own kind' and some also believe that their churches helping or providing sanctuary to those here illegally is immoral. Some believe that it is god's fate to be poor, that one must 'try' or work their way out of poverty, not give any help directly or by government as creates an addiction to dependency.

Such persons are hypocrites, they say they don't want to support illegals but have no problems with exploitation of their labor as nannies, doing construction work cheap on their homes, fixing their cars or picking their food or processing it as such work is 'beneath' American citizens. They also support politicians here who support violent capitalist, murdering thugs and corrupt governments many of these migrants are leaving from, willing to take the risks of entering the USA illegally.

Yes, we do need to have sound policies to regulate our borders and immigration to our country. But we also have to be reasonable about it. Yes, if a parent is arrested for violation of the law if cross the border illegally, any minors with them separated, just like anyone else arrested and detained for significant violations of law. The problem recently, especially under Pres. Trump, is that we have a bad system that has see an escalation of arrests rather than application of non-criminal process for violating our laws that keeps families together, in part to discourage future migrants an asylum seeker.

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