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Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:15 pm

Thanks a bunch Anthony Kennedy ... !
 
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USSC Justice Kennedy announces retirement.

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:16 pm

Oh boy, get ready for a fight. I assume the Republicans will want a far right nominee, despite the numbers the Democrats will pull for someone closer to the center.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:19 pm

Tuff luck, body.

(not everybody is from the US and understands who this is and what happens)
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:24 pm

Here's hoping Ruth isn't far behind.
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:26 pm

I wonder if Hillary thinks that she should have visited more battleground states now?

In all seriousness, while this is not a surprise, it is definitely huge in terms of impact.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:36 pm

mbmbos wrote:
Frankly, I'm not sure the United States exists anymore. We're just NAZIs waving a different colored flag.

Holy false equivalence! It also trivializes the horror of the millions of Jews that were slaughtered just for being Jewish, not to mention the millions of innocent citizens that were killed in World War II.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:37 pm

You give these people an inch they’ll take 500 miles is all I’m going to say. Trump’ll get another Thomas or Alito, no doubt. Maybe Roberts will moderate.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:38 pm

KFLLCFII wrote:
Here's hoping Ruth isn't far behind.


So...you're in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade? How about revoking gay marriage? Shall we give corporations even more leverage in elections? How about we remove more people from the voter registration records? How about we bust unions so that the minimum wage falls even lower, so the disparity between "middle class" is even greater than the rail barons of our day? How about we separate children from their parents and label their parents criminals and rapists? How about we ban Muslims from our country?

Frankly, I'm not sure the United States exists anymore. We're just NAZIs waving a different colored flag.

Here's hoping you don't get your wish.
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:38 pm

This is going to have gigantic repercussions for the next 30 years. The court will be solidly in the right for a long time.

Not to mention RBG is close behind.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:39 pm

I’m sure Mitch will agree to delay any hearings until the next Senate is seated in January.
 
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Re: USSC Justice Kennedy announces retirement.

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:42 pm

Brick wrote:
Republicans are going to want a nominee that is a scholar of the Constitution and will uphold the rule of law. I guess this seems to be "far right" to Democrats.

I think that both sides genuinely respect the Constitution. The difference boils down to whether or not you believe that it should be interpreted as the author's likely intended or whether you should treat it as a living, breathing document. Both sides have their merit.
 
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Re: USSC Justice Kennedy announces retirement.

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:43 pm

Republicans are going to want a nominee that is a scholar of the Constitution and will uphold the rule of law. I guess this seems to be "far right" to Democrats.
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:46 pm

This can't all be laid at the feet of one person. He can and could retire whenever he wants and needs to. The battle will be pretty intense and we will see what happens. But the USA is and must be defined by far more than just one person on the Supreme Court.

And no, I don't like what is at risk either and have real concerns.

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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:47 pm

ER757 wrote:
All the Bernie-bots who stayed home in the general election in those swing states that Trump carried because they were butt-hurt can just go look in the mirror if they are upset about the makeup of the SCOTUS these days. They unwittingly set the tone of the court for the next generation - the repercussions will last far longer than the current presidential administration.



You know, I've yet to meet a Bernie supporter who stayed home. Is there any actual evidence that this swung the election? I hear the claim a lot, which is why I was hoping to see some actual evidence in support of it.

That said, if some did stay home, doesn't Hillary bear some responsibility since she was complicit with the DNC rigging the nomination process? That would not have motivated me to vote for her if I was a Bernie supporter.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:49 pm

All the Bernie-bots who stayed home in the general election in those swing states that Trump carried because they were butt-hurt can just go look in the mirror if they are upset about the makeup of the SCOTUS these days. They unwittingly set the tone of the court for the next generation - the repercussions will last far longer than the current presidential administration.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:54 pm

ER757 wrote:
All the Bernie-bots who stayed home in the general election in those swing states that Trump carried because they were butt-hurt can just go look in the mirror if they are upset about the makeup of the SCOTUS these days. They unwittingly set the tone of the court for the next generation - the repercussions will last far longer than the current presidential administration.


All the name calling, finger wagging and "there's no way" crowd never learn.

Turns out calling people idiots and Nazis makes them come to the polls.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:56 pm

Casobs wrote:
ER757 wrote:
All the Bernie-bots who stayed home in the general election in those swing states that Trump carried because they were butt-hurt can just go look in the mirror if they are upset about the makeup of the SCOTUS these days. They unwittingly set the tone of the court for the next generation - the repercussions will last far longer than the current presidential administration.


All the name calling, finger wagging and "there's no way" crowd never learn.

Turns out calling people idiots and Nazis makes them come to the polls.


That’s very moderate of you
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:57 pm

Took him a week but he realized he could sign in on separate devices to keep the ruse up :thumbsup:

#WINNING
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:59 pm

VTKillarney1 wrote:
mbmbos wrote:
Frankly, I'm not sure the United States exists anymore. We're just NAZIs waving a different colored flag.

Holy false equivalence! It also trivializes the horror of the millions of Jews that were slaughtered just for being Jewish, not to mention the millions of innocent citizens that were killed in World War II.


Because there was no time passing between the beginning of flag waving and all of the horrors you've listed?

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Re: USSC Justice Kennedy announces retirement.

Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:03 pm

VTKillarney1 wrote:
Brick wrote:
Republicans are going to want a nominee that is a scholar of the Constitution and will uphold the rule of law. I guess this seems to be "far right" to Democrats.

I think that both sides genuinely respect the Constitution. The difference boils down to whether or not you believe that it should be interpreted as the author's likely intended or whether you should treat it as a living, breathing document. Both sides have their merit.


I agree with that. I see as a problem with the "author's likely intended" that so much as changed in the 240 years since the Constitution was approved, there are issues today, that there isn't a direct answer found in the document.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:05 pm

Thank god we saved this country from those blasted emails...
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:07 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
VTKillarney1 wrote:
mbmbos wrote:
Frankly, I'm not sure the United States exists anymore. We're just NAZIs waving a different colored flag.

Holy false equivalence! It also trivializes the horror of the millions of Jews that were slaughtered just for being Jewish, not to mention the millions of innocent citizens that were killed in World War II.


Because there was no time passing between the beginning of flag waving and all of the horrors you've listed?

Best regards
Thomas

Because there was time and ACTIONS that took place. Actions that have not remotely happened here, especially with a President who has always completely and unequivocally subjugated himself to restrictions placed upon him by the courts.

If flag waiving was the only criteria, then pretty much the entire planet would be comprised of Nazis - which is obviously not the case. "There is a Nazi under every rock," is not going to work in November,.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:14 pm

VTKillarney1 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
VTKillarney1 wrote:
Holy false equivalence! It also trivializes the horror of the millions of Jews that were slaughtered just for being Jewish, not to mention the millions of innocent citizens that were killed in World War II.


Because there was no time passing between the beginning of flag waving and all of the horrors you've listed?

Best regards
Thomas

Because there was time and ACTIONS that took place. Actions that have not remotely happened here, especially with a President who has always completely and unequivocally subjugated himself to restrictions placed upon him by the courts.

If flag waiving was the only criteria, then pretty much the entire planet would be comprised of Nazis - which is obviously not the case. "There is a Nazi under every rock," is not going to work in November,.


Oh boy

His MO is becoming clearer by the day
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:14 pm

jetero wrote:

Oh boy

His MO is becoming clearer by the day

Are you suggesting that Trump has done anything other than abide fully with court restrictions that have been placed upon him - even from low level judges appointed from Obama? Because that is some SERIOUS evidence that Trump if far from acting like a Nazi.

If you have some actual evidence that I am wrong, now would be the time...
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:15 pm

bgm wrote:
How utterly depressing. The US is edging closer and closer to a fascist state.

How so?
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:17 pm

A little dose of reality. The absolute hysteria from the left and the unrelenting personal attacks against Trump are going to result in Trump nominating yet another much more conservative judge than he probably would have been inclined to nominate. Trump wasn't extremely conservative prior to entering the presidential race. Actions have consequences, and the left's actions are definitely going to result in a more conservative court.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:21 pm

How utterly depressing. The US is edging closer and closer to a fascist state.
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:21 pm

I'll just leave this right here:
https://www.cnbc.com/video/3000561939
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:24 pm

Don’t forget to get a word in for Casobs, VTK
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:00 pm

Hillary Clinton must be coming out of her back brace right about now.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:05 pm

jetero wrote:
Thanks a bunch Anthony Kennedy ... !

To quote president Obama - "Elections have consequences"

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/ ... g-that-now

Its a great day for America

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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:07 pm

MikeDrop wrote:
jetero wrote:
Thanks a bunch Anthony Kennedy ... !

To quote president Obama - "Elections have consequences"

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/ ... g-that-now

Its a great day for America

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And a bad day for apostrophes.

(Who knew elections had consequences? Thanks for that teaching moment, Mikey D ... I imagine you’re familiar with the letter D from your youth.)
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:14 pm

MikeDrop wrote:
jetero wrote:
Thanks a bunch Anthony Kennedy ... !

To quote president Obama - "Elections have consequences"

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/ ... g-that-now

Its a great day for America

Mike Drop



Hopefully Ginsburg next then Breyer in Trumps next term!
 
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Re: USSC Justice Kennedy announces retirement.

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:18 pm

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Republicans are going to want a nominee that is a scholar of the Constitution and will uphold the rule of law. I guess this seems to be "far right" to Democrats.


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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:18 pm

MikeDrop wrote:

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/ ... g-that-now

Its a great day for America

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So how is this going to benefit you?
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Re: USSC Justice Kennedy announces retirement.

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:23 pm

Brick wrote:
Republicans are going to want a nominee that is a scholar of the Constitution and will uphold the rule of law.


How so?
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:24 pm

LMP737 wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/ ... g-that-now

Its a great day for America

Mike Drop


So how is this going to benefit you?

What makes you think that I'm happy about it because of some personal benefit?
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:25 pm

Clearly he's only happy because liberals will bitch about it and I doubt he even knew who the guy was or could name most SC justices in the first place. He's happy because he's told to be happy and vindictive.
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:27 pm

jpetekyxmd80 wrote:
Clearly he's only happy because liberals will bitch about it and I doubt he even knew who the guy was or could name most SC justices in the first place. He's happy because he's told to be happy and vindictive.


Just like the other side who hates all things republican. It's a sad state of affairs all around.

What happened to civility? The amazing thing is even though it's contentious it's still peacefully done.

Hopefully we can all move beyond this.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:30 pm

MikeDrop wrote:
What makes you think that I'm happy about it because of some personal benefit?


It's a legitimate question. I'll add what benefits do you see for the country? In your view. So there you go, how does it benefit you and how does it benefit the country?
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:33 pm

MikeDrop wrote:
LMP737 wrote:
MikeDrop wrote:

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/ ... g-that-now

Its a great day for America

Mike Drop


So how is this going to benefit you?

What makes you think that I'm happy about it because of some personal benefit?

Definitely a strange question. Failing to look beyond one's self interests is not conducive to a prosperous society.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:41 pm

More theological rulings and fewer rulings based on the Constitution. How is this any good for America? The land that goes to war with other countries to fight theocracies?
You bet I'm pumped!!! I just had a green tea!!!
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:42 pm

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More theological rulings and fewer rulings based on the Constitution. How is this any good for America? The land that goes to war with other countries to fight theocracies?

Huh? I'm not following that one. Strict constructionism is the domain of the conservatives. It's the liberals who are more prone to adopt a loose interpretation.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:45 pm

Serious question to the liberals here. What is the end game? While I understand that you may be very disappointed that Trump will be able to nominate a conservative justice, what are you actually proposing? The last time I checked, Trump has the constitutional authority to do so. The Senate has a constitutional role in this process as well.

So even if you are upset, so what? Are you suggesting that we should not follow the path forward as contained in the Constitution? If so, just come out and say it. Or is this really just a matter of being upset and wanting to vent about it?
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:53 pm

Casobs wrote:

That and the "stolen seat" thing.

I'm sympathetic on that one.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:53 pm

Casobs wrote:

That and the "stolen seat" thing.

I'm sympathetic on that one.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:54 pm

I am unconvinced the 2018 senate races will make a whole lot of difference in composition, but it could,... but how could you not admit that a rush to confirm before the midterms is 100% blatant hypocrisy on their part from the bullshit they pulled 2 years ago and should hold themselves to. How can that be denied?
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:55 pm

jpetekyxmd80 wrote:
I am unconvinced the 2018 senate races will make a whole lot of difference in composition, but it could,... but how could you not admit that a rush to confirm before the midterms is 100% blatant hypocrisy on their part from the bullshit they pulled 2 years ago and should hold themselves to. How can that be denied?

Of course it's hypocrisy. Welcome to modern day politics. But not delaying the Senate proceedings in more respectful of the Constitution. So while it is hypocritical, it is the right thing to do in terms of the Constitution.

Put another way, it is hypocritical of the Democrats to complain that the proceedings are NOT being delayed.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:55 pm

VTKillarney1 wrote:
Serious question to the liberals here. What is the end game? While I understand that you may be very disappointed that Trump will be able to nominate a conservative justice, what are you actually proposing? The last time I checked, Trump has the constitutional authority to do so. The Senate has a constitutional role in this process as well.

So even if you are upset, so what? Are you suggesting that we should not follow the path forward as contained in the Constitution? If so, just come out and say it. Or is this really just a matter of being upset and wanting to vent about it?


Because it's not their guy making the pick. The Republicans would be equally as annoyed. It's always the end of the world every time this happens.

That and the "stolen seat" thing.
 
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Re: Supremely Screwed

Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:05 pm

jpetekyxmd80 wrote:
So you are saying I am hypocritical by saying the republicans should abide by the precedence they attempted to set? That is how those things happened, they just pushed the envelope to a ridiculous level. So you're basically saying the self appointed protectors of the constitution attained a majority by pissing on the constitution?

I was talking generally, not about you specifically.

Here is what I will say: If you advocated that the nomination should not have been delayed for political reasons during the end of the Obama administration, it is hypocritical to argue that the nomination should be delayed for political reasons now.

That said, I have no idea what you have ever advocated.

It may not "feel" fair, but two wrongs don't make a right.
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