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CitizenJustin wrote:Seems like they come and go, especially the most extreme and vocal ones. A new bunch pops up and disappears into thin air only to be followed by a new generation.
What’s the deal?
seahawk wrote:I still love him. He has changed the world like no other president in recent times and after his 8 years, the world will be different and there will be no going back to the status before he rose to power. If you ever wanted your own country to stop depending on the USA, he is a gift that keeps on giving.
CitizenJustin wrote:seahawk wrote:I still love him. He has changed the world like no other president in recent times and after his 8 years, the world will be different and there will be no going back to the status before he rose to power. If you ever wanted your own country to stop depending on the USA, he is a gift that keeps on giving.
It might be better for you, but what about other people. That’s the problem with Trump fans. They could give two shits about how other lives will be affected by legislation.
Jouhou wrote:CitizenJustin wrote:seahawk wrote:I still love him. He has changed the world like no other president in recent times and after his 8 years, the world will be different and there will be no going back to the status before he rose to power. If you ever wanted your own country to stop depending on the USA, he is a gift that keeps on giving.
It might be better for you, but what about other people. That’s the problem with Trump fans. They could give two shits about how other lives will be affected by legislation.
Fyi when Seahawk makes "pro-trump" statements, read between the lines. He's a German who is perplexed by how we collectively shot ourselves in the foot. I mean, I think most Europeans are perplexed, but some are reacting with concern, some with outrage, and some are amused. I'd say he's mostly amused with a dash of discomfort with how human societies keep repeating history like we do.
CitizenJustin wrote:seahawk wrote:I still love him. He has changed the world like no other president in recent times and after his 8 years, the world will be different and there will be no going back to the status before he rose to power. If you ever wanted your own country to stop depending on the USA, he is a gift that keeps on giving.
It might be better for you, but what about other people. That’s the problem with Trump fans. They could give two shits about how other lives will be affected by legislation.
seahawk wrote:CitizenJustin wrote:seahawk wrote:I still love him. He has changed the world like no other president in recent times and after his 8 years, the world will be different and there will be no going back to the status before he rose to power. If you ever wanted your own country to stop depending on the USA, he is a gift that keeps on giving.
It might be better for you, but what about other people. That’s the problem with Trump fans. They could give two shits about how other lives will be affected by legislation.
I think you missed the point. I am "loving" him, because he shows that you can not bet on America always electing a reasonable, responsible, trustworthy and intelligent president nor that the US government system would always control the impact, in case the president would be a little less capable. That is not a compliment, but a necessary realisation for all other countries, as it shows that you can not risk putting all your eggs in one basket, because your ally might turn into a bully.
Mortyman wrote:seahawk wrote:CitizenJustin wrote:
It might be better for you, but what about other people. That’s the problem with Trump fans. They could give two shits about how other lives will be affected by legislation.
I think you missed the point. I am "loving" him, because he shows that you can not bet on America always electing a reasonable, responsible, trustworthy and intelligent president nor that the US government system would always control the impact, in case the president would be a little less capable. That is not a compliment, but a necessary realisation for all other countries, as it shows that you can not risk putting all your eggs in one basket, because your ally might turn into a bully.
The US has always been a bully that is happy to turn on it's allies in a heartbeat if you don't agree. The US is only a friend when it suits and fits their agenda ... Their agenda primarely being money and their own interests first and foremost. Nothing new on that front.
After 9/11 I Guess some of us thought that the US would see the importance of even stronger alliances and friendships, instead we got a US that has continuesly for the last 17 years removed itself from multinational and multi beneficial organistaions like the UN and NATO to stand more and more alone. It has continued to support terrorism around the world, including Saudi Arabia where the 9/11 hijackers came from and has continued with the same foreign policy as before, not understanding that that is exactly what the 9/11 terrorists wanted when they hit their targets that day: A US that is weak financially and that spends all their mmoeny on endless wars, weak on moral standing around the world and less Security and freedom if any left.
Sadest thing is that most Americans don't seem to understand this .
Jouhou wrote:So look at a map of how the us voted in 2016 before you assume the whole country didn't value their allies.
seahawk wrote:I must say as a European I see benefits in his policy too. Because he shows that Europe must think of Europe first. And that pissing off Russia or China in support of the USA is a bad idea, as you might become a foe of the USA after an election, something which was unthinkable before Trump.
anrec80 wrote:seahawk wrote:I must say as a European I see benefits in his policy too. Because he shows that Europe must think of Europe first. And that pissing off Russia or China in support of the USA is a bad idea, as you might become a foe of the USA after an election, something which was unthinkable before Trump.
Now you in Europe are slowly coming to realization that you need to regain your sovereignty, willingness and ability to care for yourself. And not depend on who comes to power where.
einsteinboricua wrote:the maps are highly misleading. The only thing they show is that a Wisconsinite's vote had more weight than, say, a Washingtonian's vote.
EA CO AS wrote:einsteinboricua wrote:the maps are highly misleading. The only thing they show is that a Wisconsinite's vote had more weight than, say, a Washingtonian's vote.
As intended, because otherwise you'd have candidates campaigning in only the most populous states, and the people of Wisconsin would forever be subjected to the whims of their countrymen in those other states. The founding fathers were smarter than you think, and the system works, despite what you may think when it doesn't work out for your preferred candidate.
You think the GOP likes spotting the Democrats 55 EVs every election just because CA is locked down?
cargolex wrote:EA CO AS wrote:einsteinboricua wrote:the maps are highly misleading. The only thing they show is that a Wisconsinite's vote had more weight than, say, a Washingtonian's vote.
As intended, because otherwise you'd have candidates campaigning in only the most populous states, and the people of Wisconsin would forever be subjected to the whims of their countrymen in those other states. The founding fathers were smarter than you think, and the system works, despite what you may think when it doesn't work out for your preferred candidate.
You think the GOP likes spotting the Democrats 55 EVs every election just because CA is locked down?
Instead the people who do most of the working, earning, and producing in the country are subject to the whims of voters who live in rural West Virginia because the founding fathers had to compromise with people who wanted to maintain slavery - which is what the Electoral College was set up to do.
And this compromise with White Supremacists has been disastrous for the country over the last 18 years, in which the popular, rational, pragmatic choice has twice been set aside by the Electoral College for people who have run our country straight off a cliff in both cases - into deadly, costly wars and economic calamity by the last one; and now into White Supremacist Mock Dictatorship and potential social collapse by a Russian Stooge.
EA CO AS wrote:As intended, because otherwise you'd have candidates campaigning in only the most populous states, and the people of Wisconsin would forever be subjected to the whims of their countrymen in those other states. The founding fathers were smarter than you think, and the system works, despite what you may think when it doesn't work out for your preferred candidate.
EA CO AS wrote:You think the GOP likes spotting the Democrats 55 EVs every election just because CA is locked down?
LittleSprocket wrote:Are you trying to say that the people of West Virginia deserve less of a fair shake than the folks of California and New York?
LittleSprocket wrote:Are you trying to say that the people of West Virginia deserve less of a fair shake than the folks of California and New York?
cargolex wrote:LittleSprocket wrote:Are you trying to say that the people of West Virginia deserve less of a fair shake than the folks of California and New York?
At present, the vastly larger number of people who live in California and New York actually are getting less of a fair shake than those West Virginians. To the detriment of the entire country and possibly entire world.
cargolex wrote:LittleSprocket wrote:Are you trying to say that the people of West Virginia deserve less of a fair shake than the folks of California and New York?
At present, the vastly larger number of people who live in California and New York actually are getting less of a fair shake than those West Virginians. To the detriment of the entire country and possibly entire world.
cargolex wrote:LittleSprocket wrote:Are you trying to say that the people of West Virginia deserve less of a fair shake than the folks of California and New York?
At present, the vastly larger number of people who live in California and New York actually are getting less of a fair shake than those West Virginians. To the detriment of the entire country and possibly entire world.
EA CO AS wrote:As intended
tommy1808 wrote:doesn't the constitution say everyone is equal in front of the law? Doesn't that make the EC system unconstitutional, because clearly in some states you are more equal than in others?
einsteinboricua wrote:just a couple more blue(er) counties in three states (while keeping everything the same) would have given us a Clinton presidency.
EA CO AS wrote:I suppose you'd also argue that the U.S. Senate is unconstitutional because people in ND get the same number of senators as the people of NY?
tommy1808 wrote:EA CO AS wrote:I suppose you'd also argue that the U.S. Senate is unconstitutional because people in ND get the same number of senators as the people of NY?
yup.. maybe our supreme court can invite yours over and teach them what equal under the law means, since they obviously don´t understand.
tommy1808 wrote:EA CO AS wrote:I suppose you'd also argue that the U.S. Senate is unconstitutional because people in ND get the same number of senators as the people of NY?
yup.. maybe our supreme court can invite yours over and teach them what equal under the law means, since they obviously don´t understand.
best regards
Thomas
tommy1808 wrote:cargolex wrote:LittleSprocket wrote:Are you trying to say that the people of West Virginia deserve less of a fair shake than the folks of California and New York?
At present, the vastly larger number of people who live in California and New York actually are getting less of a fair shake than those West Virginians. To the detriment of the entire country and possibly entire world.
But... but... but... doesn't the constitution say everyone is equal in front of the law? Doesn't that make the EC system unconstitutional, because clearly in some states you are more equal than in others?EA CO AS wrote:As intended
The founding fathers intended most of the US states to be sparsely populated and economically underperforming? Interesting, where can I read about that?
Best regards
Thomas
EA CO AS wrote:einsteinboricua wrote:just a couple more blue(er) counties in three states (while keeping everything the same) would have given us a Clinton presidency.
Gosh, maybe she should have campaigned there?
tommy1808 wrote:EA CO AS wrote:einsteinboricua wrote:just a couple more blue(er) counties in three states (while keeping everything the same) would have given us a Clinton presidency.
Gosh, maybe she should have campaigned there?
She probably would have had sheknown that the Russians handed their strategy to the Trump campaignbeen able to walk under her own power and not caused others to question her health
Jouhou wrote:The founding fathers thought we were only going to have 13 states...
EA CO AS wrote:tommy1808 wrote:EA CO AS wrote:
Gosh, maybe she should have campaigned there?
She probably would have had sheknown that the Russians handed their strategy to the Trump campaignbeen able to walk under her own power and not caused others to question her health
There, fixed that for you.
EA CO AS wrote:Jouhou wrote:The founding fathers thought we were only going to have 13 states...
Check your facts; the Admission to the Union clause of the Constitution says otherwise.
EA CO AS wrote:tommy1808 wrote:EA CO AS wrote:
Gosh, maybe she should have campaigned there?
She probably would have had sheknown that the Russians handed their strategy to the Trump campaignbeen able to walk under her own power and not caused others to question her health
There, fixed that for you.
tommy1808 wrote:But... but... but... doesn't the constitution say everyone is equal in front of the law? Doesn't that make the EC system unconstitutional, because clearly in some states you are more equal than in others?
trpmb6 wrote:Your daily reminder that the United States Government is not a democracy but a republic with member states. Until the amendment allowing direct election of senators happened this was more obvious. I prefer to think of the United States as a bunch smaller countries bound together by common interest to form a more perfect union.
DIRECTFLT wrote:They've probably gone to where they can respond with the same vitriol they receive, and not get in trouble.
trpmb6 wrote:I would have thought that statement to be a fairly generally accepted statement, not requiring any evidence to support.
trpmb6 wrote:Your daily reminder that the United States Government is not a democracy but a republic with member states.
OA412 wrote:trpmb6 wrote:Your daily reminder that the United States Government is not a democracy but a republic with member states.
This line is extremely troubling, and it gets thrown around way too often. A republic is a form of democracy with a President at its helm rather than, say, a monarch. The United States is a Democracy, as are The French Republic, The Republic of Finland, The Federal Republic of Germany, The Hellenic Republic, etc., etc. In fact, in Greek, the word for Democracy and Republic is exactly the same. In a broader sense, this idea that the US is a republic and not a democracy is a very dangerous notion to spread because it acclimatizes people to the idea that we are a not a democratic nation, which is untrue.
trpmb6 wrote:OA412 wrote:trpmb6 wrote:Your daily reminder that the United States Government is not a democracy but a republic with member states.
This line is extremely troubling, and it gets thrown around way too often. A republic is a form of democracy with a President at its helm rather than, say, a monarch. The United States is a Democracy, as are The French Republic, The Republic of Finland, The Federal Republic of Germany, The Hellenic Republic, etc., etc. In fact, in Greek, the word for Democracy and Republic is exactly the same. In a broader sense, this idea that the US is a republic and not a democracy is a very dangerous notion to spread because it acclimatizes people to the idea that we are a not a democratic nation, which is untrue.
I suppose you would prefer terms like constitutional republic or representative republic? We aren't a democracy. Not in the traditional Athenian direct democracy model. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... d83b59ee73
trpmb6 wrote:Fair enough. I prefer the term republic. Democracy to me means Athens and that isnt what we have. I'll leave it at yhat.